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Post by J. Kapp 11 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:24 pm

It's pretty obvious by the reactions here (all warranted, by the way) -- the best thing that happened to me in all of this was the power going out at halftime. I saw none of the second half. The score on my phone told me all I needed to know, but I didn't have to suffer through watching it.

Of course, if they would have come back and won, I'd be cursing the very ground I walk on.
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Post by Mothman » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:28 pm

PurpleMustReign wrote:I said it before too... If the Wilfs or Rick or whoever decided they wanted to fire Zimmer, I wouldn't argue with it. Doesn't mean I want it. Doesn't mean I am advocating it. But you know what? If I did my job that poorly, I am certain I would have to look for something else, or at the very least, be on a very short leash.
Again, the players are part to blame too. But for a professional coach to have a game like that in that situation, it's just mind boggling.
Well, it obviously happens but in this particular circumstance, it's hard to excuse because the Vikings were a comparably talented team and were even road favorites. What we should have seen is something a lot more like the knock down/drag out fight NE and Jacksonville had earlier in the day. It's very hard for me not to see a game like this as a possible indication that Zimmer might not be the right man for the job ("the job" being to win the Super Bowl). Plenty of people will quite reasonably not see it that way. Coaches have suffered rough defeats in games like this and bounced back but it's hard not to think about what happened to Green's Vikings a year after that 2000 NFCC game humiliation or even what happened to Childress' Vikes the year after they blew a close championship game in 2009. Neither coach even managed to finish out the next season. I don't expect that to be Zimmer's fate but I do wonder if we've seen just seen the pinnacle of his tenure with the Vikes. We'll see what next season brings. I remember the '84 Bears being shut out in the championship game against SF and a year later, they had one of the most dominant seasons of all time. Maybe the Vikes can pull that feat off next year!

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Re: NFC Championship Reaction Thread

Post by SkolVikings69 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:37 pm

VikingPaul73 wrote:
Just Me wrote:It sucks, but honestly - I don't think we could beat the Pats (if we can't stop Foles, how do we expect to stop Brady), and I'd rather not watch the Vikings lose their 5th Super Bowl. Last week was great when we won, but honestly...

1) We needed a miracle to beat the Saints (while we were at home); and
2) We got our collective $$$$s handed to us at the Eagles (with their back-up QB that could only score 15 points the week prior.

Doesn't seem like a strong playoff performance to me. I think we have some pieces in place, but I'd be shocked if we duplicated our record next season.
This is absolutely correct
Question is ... Why? Their D is in their prime and we’re absolutely destroyed tonight with a defensive coach

I think Zim is a good X/O guy but he is simply not a prime time coach. Total choker who should have stayed a coordinator. The guy totally panicks during a press conference why would anyone think he would step up in the playoffs??

Zim has to go. I know this is tough because he’s a likeable guy and solid during the regular season but deep down everyone knows that I’m right
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Re: NFC Championship Reaction Thread

Post by SkolVikings69 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:42 pm

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VikingPaul73 wrote: Zim has to go. I know this is tough because he’s a likeable guy and solid during the regular season but deep down everyone knows that I’m right
Completely disagree. Find me a better coach out there right now than Mike Zimmer. Not gonna happen. I can understand if we went 4-12 but we won the NFC North, went 13-3 and were one game away from the Super Bowl. To say he needs to go is asinine. He took this team from the bottom all the way up to legitimate contenders.
The problem I have with Zimmer is similar to the problem I had with, Denny Green at the end of his run. He lost the most important game of the year because his forte failed badly. That doesn't happen to good coaches in the postseason. It just doesn't.
Not only that, but you have failed on some kind of level if you can't get your team ready for the game before the Super Bowl, which would have been a home super bowl for the Vikings. I would call this loss worse than 41-0 and maybe even worse than 2009. They had it all there for them. No GB or Dallas in the playoffs. Philly playing with their backup QB. The Minneapolis Miracle, which is a worthless play now.
I get it. 13-3. Yay. What did it get us?

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Pondering Her Percy wrote:Yeah their defense was the worst part of this team when he took it over. It needed to be addressed however we’ve gone over this before, he’s drafted just as many defensive guys as he has offensive. I wouldn’t say his plan is to win it all with defense.
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I meant "win it all" as in "win the Super Bowl" not as in "win exclusively with defense". I was never suggesting they weren't trying to build a good offense and again, none of this is the main point.
As for the elite defense part, any defense that is in the top 2 in pretty much every statistical category and has the best third down defense EVER, which is a giant feat given how the game is now, is elite.
Statistically, yes, and that's just spiffy but what good is it if they fall apart when it matters most? Allowing 55 points in 6 quarters of playoff football is awful. Compiling a great statistical season primarily by beating up on average and below average offenses is great but the real measure of a defense is how it plays in the biggest games. Who cares if the Vikes defense is statistically elite during the regular season if they fall apart in the postseason? The '85 Bears allowed a total of 10 points over 3 postseason games (and shut out 2 of 3 opponents). That's what truly elite defense looks like. The '86 Giants allowed 23 points over 3 postseason games (they also had a shutout). The 2000 Ravens? They allowed 23 points over four postseason games and twice held opponents to just 3 points. Those defenses were elite when it mattered most.
FYI, we played 6 of the top 10 offenses in the nfl this year. So wherever you got the “beating up on average to below average offenses” from is beyond me. When everyone was down on Zimmer last year, I said I thought he was the coach we needed and supported him. In turn, he showed a giant turn around this year. And again, I will continue to say I support mike Zimmer. All you kept saying to me last year was “you can’t prove that he can win in the playoffs”, well guess what, he won in the playoffs. Don’t give me the run around of how he won, he won period. He laid an egg in the game before the SB. Further than we’ve made it in almost 10 YEARS. He has my full support. I trust him. I think him and Spielman have a great thing going on. This team is young. This staff is bringing in the right players. I believe Mike Zimmer can get it done. You’ve doubted him the second he’s walked in the door. At first it was not knowing if he could lead them to the playoffs, then it was can he prove he can win in the playoffs, now it’s can he win a super bowl. He’s proved you wrong over time. You don’t like him or don’t trust him? So be it. But I do and my mind isn’t changing on that. I’ll be the first to eat crow if he blows it and gets fired but until then, Mike Zimmer has my full support
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Re: NFC Championship Reaction Thread

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Pondering Her Percy wrote:FYI, we played 6 of the top 10 offenses in the nfl this year. So wherever you got the “beating up on average to below average offenses” from is beyond me. When everyone was down on Zimmer last year, I said I thought he was the coach we needed and supported him. In turn, he showed a giant turn around this year. And again, I will continue to say I support mike Zimmer. All you kept saying to me last year was “you can’t prove that he can win in the playoffs”, well guess what, he won in the playoffs. Don’t give me the run around of how he won, he won period. He laid an egg in the game before the SB. Further than we’ve made it in almost 10 YEARS. He has my full support. I trust him. I think him and Spielman have a great thing going on. This team is young. This staff is bringing in the right players. I believe Mike Zimmer can get it done. You’ve doubted him the second he’s walked in the door. At first it was not knowing if he could lead them to the playoffs, then it was can he prove he can win in the playoffs, now it’s can he win a super bowl. He’s proved you wrong over time. You don’t like him or don’t trust him? So be it. But I do and my mind isn’t changing on that. I’ll be the first to eat crow if he blows it and gets fired but until then, Mike Zimmer has my full support
He hasn't proven me "wrong" because I never said he couldn't win a division, a playoff game or a Super Bowl. You don't seem to differentiate between questioning what a coach can accomplish and declaring that he can't do something at all. There's a big difference.

Not every discussion needs to get derailed into a referendum on faith and belief in the coach and/or GM. I like Zimmer just fine. Do I trust him? I don't even know what you mean by that. I certainly don't trust his every decision and I remain skeptical that he's going to one day steer this team to a Super Bowl win but I still support his efforts and I think he's a good football coach. I want him to succeed (ie: win a Super Bowl with the Vikings). I'm just not convinced he will. That's not the same as being convinced he'll fail. Can you grasp that?

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Re: NFC Championship Reaction Thread

Post by Mothman » Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:08 pm

VikingLord wrote:What is amazing about that excellent analysis of how the Eagles attacked and beat the Viking defense is how basic the approach was. It wasn't really sophisticated. It relied in large part on a lack of any real pass rush pressure from the Vikings and excellent execution from Nick Foles and the Philly receivers, but man did it work against the Vikings. I can only imagine what Mike Zimmer would be thinking watching tape of that complete demolition of his defense.

Got to hand it to Foles - he was a real cool customer out there, made some excellent throws, and luck was also on his side. For some reason, I doubt he'll ever play that well again, but he looked like he was not human for most of that game.
I agree. He really stepped up and played a great game.
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Post by Pondering Her Percy » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:42 pm

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Pondering Her Percy wrote:FYI, we played 6 of the top 10 offenses in the nfl this year. So wherever you got the “beating up on average to below average offenses” from is beyond me. When everyone was down on Zimmer last year, I said I thought he was the coach we needed and supported him. In turn, he showed a giant turn around this year. And again, I will continue to say I support mike Zimmer. All you kept saying to me last year was “you can’t prove that he can win in the playoffs”, well guess what, he won in the playoffs. Don’t give me the run around of how he won, he won period. He laid an egg in the game before the SB. Further than we’ve made it in almost 10 YEARS. He has my full support. I trust him. I think him and Spielman have a great thing going on. This team is young. This staff is bringing in the right players. I believe Mike Zimmer can get it done. You’ve doubted him the second he’s walked in the door. At first it was not knowing if he could lead them to the playoffs, then it was can he prove he can win in the playoffs, now it’s can he win a super bowl. He’s proved you wrong over time. You don’t like him or don’t trust him? So be it. But I do and my mind isn’t changing on that. I’ll be the first to eat crow if he blows it and gets fired but until then, Mike Zimmer has my full support
He hasn't proven me "wrong" because I never said he couldn't win a division, a playoff game or a Super Bowl. You don't seem to differentiate between questioning what a coach can accomplish and declaring that he can't do something at all. There's a big difference.

Not every discussion needs to get derailed into a referendum on faith and belief in the coach and/or GM. I like Zimmer just fine. Do I trust him? I don't even know what you mean by that. I certainly don't trust his every decision and I remain skeptical that he's going to one day steer this team to a Super Bowl win but I still support his efforts and I think he's a good football coach. I want him to succeed (ie: win a Super Bowl with the Vikings). I'm just not convinced he will. That's not the same as being convinced he'll fail. Can you grasp that?
You also weren’t convinced he would win a playoff game last year. I distinctly remember having this conversation with you. And he did this year.
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Re: NFC Championship Reaction Thread

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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
Mothman wrote:
Pondering Her Percy wrote:FYI, we played 6 of the top 10 offenses in the nfl this year. So wherever you got the “beating up on average to below average offenses” from is beyond me. When everyone was down on Zimmer last year, I said I thought he was the coach we needed and supported him. In turn, he showed a giant turn around this year. And again, I will continue to say I support mike Zimmer. All you kept saying to me last year was “you can’t prove that he can win in the playoffs”, well guess what, he won in the playoffs. Don’t give me the run around of how he won, he won period. He laid an egg in the game before the SB. Further than we’ve made it in almost 10 YEARS. He has my full support. I trust him. I think him and Spielman have a great thing going on. This team is young. This staff is bringing in the right players. I believe Mike Zimmer can get it done. You’ve doubted him the second he’s walked in the door. At first it was not knowing if he could lead them to the playoffs, then it was can he prove he can win in the playoffs, now it’s can he win a super bowl. He’s proved you wrong over time. You don’t like him or don’t trust him? So be it. But I do and my mind isn’t changing on that. I’ll be the first to eat crow if he blows it and gets fired but until then, Mike Zimmer has my full support
He hasn't proven me "wrong" because I never said he couldn't win a division, a playoff game or a Super Bowl. You don't seem to differentiate between questioning what a coach can accomplish and declaring that he can't do something at all. There's a big difference.

Not every discussion needs to get derailed into a referendum on faith and belief in the coach and/or GM. I like Zimmer just fine. Do I trust him? I don't even know what you mean by that. I certainly don't trust his every decision and I remain skeptical that he's going to one day steer this team to a Super Bowl win but I still support his efforts and I think he's a good football coach. I want him to succeed (ie: win a Super Bowl with the Vikings). I'm just not convinced he will. That's not the same as being convinced he'll fail. Can you grasp that?
You also weren’t convinced he would win a playoff game last year. I distinctly remember having this conversation with you. And he did this year.
Yes, he did and I was thrilled about it.

I've written 3 different responses to this now and deleted them all. I simply have no idea what else to say because I have no idea what point you're trying to make. I can't tell if you don't comprehend most of what I've said (now or in the past), if you're trolling or if you're trying to get at something else and it's just not apparent.

I guess we're done. :confused:

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SkolVikings69 wrote:Good thing for Pittsburgh fans that Mr. Rooney didn't fire Chuck Noll after they won a miracle game in the divisional round then got beat by the Dolphins at home in the '73 playoffs...
You mean the Pittsburgh team that lost to the (eventual) undefeated Super Bowl winning Dolphins by only 4 points? (17-21). I'm not sure I buy that is an accurate comparison...
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Mothman wrote: Yes, he did and I was thrilled about it.

I've written 3 different responses to this now and deleted them all. I simply have no idea what else to say because I have no idea what point you're trying to make. I can't tell if you don't comprehend most of what I've said (now or in the past), if you're trolling or if you're trying to get at something else and it's just not apparent.

I guess we're done. :confused:
No I'm not trolling? Not sure why that's even being brought up. Basically what it comes down to is what I posted above, I still have full confidence in Mike Zimmer. He's gotten us further than anyone since 09, which wasnt even a strong team in the sense of talent and youth. I dont think he's on the hot seat, I dont think we should fire the guy (something else I'm baffled with that being brought up). I think he can get it done. Period. I've thought this all along. I havent felt this way about a coach ever and Denny Green was the closest. I believe.
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Post by PurpleMustReign » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:31 am

I'll believe Zimmer can win the Super Bowl when he gets us there. Until then, he has to prove he can even coach effectively in the playoffs first.

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Mothman wrote: Yes, he did and I was thrilled about it.

I've written 3 different responses to this now and deleted them all. I simply have no idea what else to say because I have no idea what point you're trying to make. I can't tell if you don't comprehend most of what I've said (now or in the past), if you're trolling or if you're trying to get at something else and it's just not apparent.

I guess we're done. :confused:
No I'm not trolling? Not sure why that's even being brought up. Basically what it comes down to is what I posted above, I still have full confidence in Mike Zimmer. He's gotten us further than anyone since 09, which wasnt even a strong team in the sense of talent and youth. I dont think he's on the hot seat, I dont think we should fire the guy (something else I'm baffled with that being brought up). I think he can get it done. Period. I've thought this all along. I havent felt this way about a coach ever and Denny Green was the closest. I believe.
We all get it, you are a big Zimmer supporter. But you seem to take it personally when someone disagrees with your opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but you seem to have a problem when their opinion doesn't align with yours. You've stated your opinion, why not just let it go at that? Do you think repeating your opinion is going to make it any more valid?

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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
Mothman wrote: Yes, he did and I was thrilled about it.

I've written 3 different responses to this now and deleted them all. I simply have no idea what else to say because I have no idea what point you're trying to make. I can't tell if you don't comprehend most of what I've said (now or in the past), if you're trolling or if you're trying to get at something else and it's just not apparent.

I guess we're done. :confused:
No I'm not trolling? Not sure why that's even being brought up. Basically what it comes down to is what I posted above, I still have full confidence in Mike Zimmer. He's gotten us further than anyone since 09, which wasnt even a strong team in the sense of talent and youth. I dont think he's on the hot seat, I dont think we should fire the guy (something else I'm baffled with that being brought up). I think he can get it done. Period. I've thought this all along. I havent felt this way about a coach ever and Denny Green was the closest. I believe.
We all get it, you are a big Zimmer supporter. But you seem to take it personally when someone disagrees with your opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but you seem to have a problem when their opinion doesn't align with yours. You've stated your opinion, why not just let it go at that? Do you think repeating your opinion is going to make it any more valid?
No I dont take it personally. What did I state above that shows I took anything personally other than him mentioning I was "trolling" which I can guarantee is the last thing I'm doing? I get that everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am not repeating my opinion. I explained different things that support my opinion. There is a big difference there. I havent talked about my support regarding Zimmer since last season.

What's frustrating is coming on here after a 13-3 season and 1 win away from a Super Bowl and seeing guys saying "Zim should be on the hot seat" or "Time to find a new HC" or "Fire Zim I'm done with him". Yeah you're entitled to your own opinion but those opinions are a little out there if you ask me. Has anyone ever heard of an organization FIRE a head coach in his 4th season where he made it to the NFC Championship?? Pretty sure that has literally NEVER happened. So I dont even know why it is being discussed.

I get that he deserves criticism for the last game and thats what Jim was saying. There were some things I questioned that he did in that game too. But from what Mike Zimmer started with in 2014 to what he has now and where he has brought this team, he has my full support and to say we should fire him is ridiculous if you ask me. And I suppose I let that frustration carry over to the spat that Jim and I had which is my own fault.

I do apologize if I offended anyone recently. This honestly has been the week from hell for me. Not only did the Vikings have an embarrassing loss on Sunday but Monday afternoon the police found one of my very good friends dead in his apartment at the age of 27. I do not want this to sound like a sob story by any means, I've just really been on edge this week and I apologize. Going through a pretty tough time right now.
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I think part of the defensive woes had to do with trying to make plays. You could see it in coverage, they were often beat trying to read Foles, and subsequently got burned by double moves. I think they felt like they needed to make something happen and play a lot riskier because absent a turnover, the offense was sputtering and the game was getting away. And they got torched by trying to make high risk/high reward plays. We saw something similar last year after the strong start. The defense started to feel like it more or less had to carry the offense at times, which led to more risk, poor execution, and bad outcomes.

I have a hard time reconciling a defense that held the Rams, Falcons, Saints, etc., in check only to have the Eagles find some magic formula. That's not to say the Eagles weren't the better team, they clearly were. But I think the score was exacerbated by a unit trying to take chances because they felt there wasn't another option.

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Pondering Her Percy wrote:No I dont take it personally. What did I state above that shows I took anything personally other than him mentioning I was "trolling" which I can guarantee is the last thing I'm doing? I get that everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am not repeating my opinion. I explained different things that support my opinion. There is a big difference there. I havent talked about my support regarding Zimmer since last season.

What's frustrating is coming on here after a 13-3 season and 1 win away from a Super Bowl and seeing guys saying "Zim should be on the hot seat" or "Time to find a new HC" or "Fire Zim I'm done with him". Yeah you're entitled to your own opinion but those opinions are a little out there if you ask me. Has anyone ever heard of an organization FIRE a head coach in his 4th season where he made it to the NFC Championship?? Pretty sure that has literally NEVER happened. So I dont even know why it is being discussed.

I get that he deserves criticism for the last game and thats what Jim was saying. There were some things I questioned that he did in that game too. But from what Mike Zimmer started with in 2014 to what he has now and where he has brought this team, he has my full support and to say we should fire him is ridiculous if you ask me. And I suppose I let that frustration carry over to the spat that Jim and I had which is my own fault.

I do apologize if I offended anyone recently. This honestly has been the week from hell for me. Not only did the Vikings have an embarrassing loss on Sunday but Monday afternoon the police found one of my very good friends dead in his apartment at the age of 27. I do not want this to sound like a sob story by any means, I've just really been on edge this week and I apologize. Going through a pretty tough time right now.
I'm very sorry to hear that. No wonder you seem particularly emotional. My condolences. It sucks to lose a friend, especially someone so young.

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Pondering Her Percy wrote:No I dont take it personally. What did I state above that shows I took anything personally other than him mentioning I was "trolling" which I can guarantee is the last thing I'm doing? I get that everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am not repeating my opinion. I explained different things that support my opinion. There is a big difference there. I havent talked about my support regarding Zimmer since last season.

What's frustrating is coming on here after a 13-3 season and 1 win away from a Super Bowl and seeing guys saying "Zim should be on the hot seat" or "Time to find a new HC" or "Fire Zim I'm done with him". Yeah you're entitled to your own opinion but those opinions are a little out there if you ask me. Has anyone ever heard of an organization FIRE a head coach in his 4th season where he made it to the NFC Championship?? Pretty sure that has literally NEVER happened. So I dont even know why it is being discussed.

I get that he deserves criticism for the last game and thats what Jim was saying. There were some things I questioned that he did in that game too. But from what Mike Zimmer started with in 2014 to what he has now and where he has brought this team, he has my full support and to say we should fire him is ridiculous if you ask me. And I suppose I let that frustration carry over to the spat that Jim and I had which is my own fault.

I do apologize if I offended anyone recently. This honestly has been the week from hell for me. Not only did the Vikings have an embarrassing loss on Sunday but Monday afternoon the police found one of my very good friends dead in his apartment at the age of 27. I do not want this to sound like a sob story by any means, I've just really been on edge this week and I apologize. Going through a pretty tough time right now.
I'm very sorry to hear that. No wonder you seem particularly emotional. My condolences. It sucks to lose a friend, especially someone so young.
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S197 wrote:I think part of the defensive woes had to do with trying to make plays. You could see it in coverage, they were often beat trying to read Foles, and subsequently got burned by double moves. I think they felt like they needed to make something happen and play a lot riskier because absent a turnover, the offense was sputtering and the game was getting away. And they got torched by trying to make high risk/high reward plays. We saw something similar last year after the strong start. The defense started to feel like it more or less had to carry the offense at times, which led to more risk, poor execution, and bad outcomes.

I have a hard time reconciling a defense that held the Rams, Falcons, Saints, etc., in check only to have the Eagles find some magic formula. That's not to say the Eagles weren't the better team, they clearly were. But I think the score was exacerbated by a unit trying to take chances because they felt there wasn't another option.

I don't think it's a magic formula. It's just knowing how to attack the defense, having the personnel to do it and executing. Remember, even though they held the Saints, Rams and Falcons in check during the regular season, Carolina and Washington both put 30+ points up on them, Pittsburgh scored 26 and the Saints managed 24 in a half in the postseason.

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Re: NFC Championship Reaction Thread

Post by mosscarter » Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:53 pm

Where I find that statement inaccurate is that there was never a need for the defense to carry the offense this year. It was true last year-not this year. That is not what lost the game against the Eagles. You could argue that we were almost too used to playing with the lead most of the year, but make no mistake what happened Sunday was a Hindenberg/Titanic performance across the board. We marched right down the field; scored, and then got a quick defensive stop. All downhill from there.

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Re: NFC Championship Reaction Thread

Post by Purple Reign » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:52 pm

mosscarter wrote:Where I find that statement inaccurate is that there was never a need for the defense to carry the offense this year. It was true last year-not this year.
Except for the last game. :wink:

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