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Re: New OC Thread

Post by Mothman » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:50 am

Pondering Her Percy wrote:I see what you're saying. It's tough though because I feel Bevell wasnt given much to work with other than Wilson, Baldwin and Graham. Their offensive lineman were a bunch of bums, they had no RBs worth a nickel and outside of Baldwin their WRs were below average. I mean they had the 15th ranked total offense which isnt horrible given what he had to work with. We saw first hand what it was like not having an OL and RB last season. And our offense was much worse than 15th. We were 28th. And that was with a halfway decent QB, good TE and good WRs. Fans questioned Shurmur last year because of that. And in one year, with good RBs and a much improved OL, he made a giant jump with this offense
That's a good point.

Bevell isn't an ideal choice but he had a good 3 or 4 years in Seattle with top 10 offenses and if the choices are just Bevell, Stefanski or Haley, I'd take Bevell 10 out of 10 times. I wonder who else they might interview.

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Re: New OC Thread

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I never thought I would hear anyone wanting Bevell back and making excuses for him. The facts are he wasnt very good his first time around, and the reason we were good this year, had a lot to do with Shurmur.
Not making excuses for him?? Answer me this, why was our offense 28th in the league last year?? Does that not fall on Shurmur?? It does right? Seattle had pretty much what we had last year. A terrible OL (even worse than ours in 2016) and no running game. Why does Shurmur get let off the hook for that but Bevell doesnt? Bevell at least still had some success with that offense this year scoring over 22 points a game (11th in the league) with zero offensive line and RB. Shurmur didnt have hardly any success last year with our offense. And lets not forget, Shurmur was the OC AFTER the 5-0 start.

I dont get how everyone is talking up Shurmur like he was some God of an OC. He had one good year and left. And we had the 11th total offense in the NFL this year. Did he do a good job this year? Yeah. But everyone questioned him last year. Including me. In the last 3 years, Bevell had the #11, #4 and #9 total offenses in the NFL. And please dont go down the "Well he had Russell Wilson" trail. Look at his offense when he had Lynch. When he has the talent he has been very successful the past 3 years.
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Re: New OC Thread

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I never thought I would hear anyone wanting Bevell back and making excuses for him. The facts are he wasnt very good his first time around, and the reason we were good this year, had a lot to do with Shurmur.
Not making excuses for him?? Answer me this, why was our offense 28th in the league last year?? Does that not fall on Shurmur?? It does right? Seattle had pretty much what we had last year. A terrible OL (even worse than ours in 2016) and no running game. Why does Shurmur get let off the hook for that but Bevell doesnt? Bevell at least still had some success with that offense this year scoring over 22 points a game (11th in the league) with zero offensive line and RB. Shurmur didnt have hardly any success last year with our offense. And lets not forget, Shurmur was the OC AFTER the 5-0 start.

I dont get how everyone is talking up Shurmur like he was some God of an OC. He had one good year and left. And we had the 11th total offense in the NFL this year. Did he do a good job this year? Yeah. But everyone questioned him last year. Including me. In the last 3 years, Bevell had the #11, #4 and #9 total offenses in the NFL. And please dont go down the "Well he had Russell Wilson" trail. Look at his offense when he had Lynch. When he has the talent he has been very successful the past 3 years.
Norv started last year and the abruptly quit. Then Shurmur had to pick up the pieces. How do you not remember that or acknowledge that?

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Re: New OC Thread

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I never thought I would hear anyone wanting Bevell back and making excuses for him. The facts are he wasnt very good his first time around, and the reason we were good this year, had a lot to do with Shurmur.
Not making excuses for him?? Answer me this, why was our offense 28th in the league last year?? Does that not fall on Shurmur?? It does right? Seattle had pretty much what we had last year. A terrible OL (even worse than ours in 2016) and no running game. Why does Shurmur get let off the hook for that but Bevell doesnt? Bevell at least still had some success with that offense this year scoring over 22 points a game (11th in the league) with zero offensive line and RB. Shurmur didnt have hardly any success last year with our offense. And lets not forget, Shurmur was the OC AFTER the 5-0 start.

I dont get how everyone is talking up Shurmur like he was some God of an OC. He had one good year and left. And we had the 11th total offense in the NFL this year. Did he do a good job this year? Yeah. But everyone questioned him last year. Including me. In the last 3 years, Bevell had the #11, #4 and #9 total offenses in the NFL. And please dont go down the "Well he had Russell Wilson" trail. Look at his offense when he had Lynch. When he has the talent he has been very successful the past 3 years.
Norv started last year and the abruptly quit. Then Shurmur had to pick up the pieces. How do you not remember that or acknowledge that?
He actually did acknowledge it (see the text I highlighted in bold above).

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Re: New OC Thread

Post by Pondering Her Percy » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:31 am

PurpleMustReign wrote:Norv started last year and the abruptly quit. Then Shurmur had to pick up the pieces. How do you not remember that or acknowledge that?

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I did as stated above. And it's not like Shurmur made any kind of drastic turn around after Turner quit. They were still a bottom barrel offense. Lets not sit here and pretend we dont know why Shurmur had more success this year. A.) A running game. We were literally loaded top to bottom at RB. More depth at that position than anyone in the NFL B.) Drastic improvement to the OL. Pretty sure we were top 10 in the league when it came to giving up sacks.

I cant really say QB simply because if you look, Bradfords 2016 stats and Case's 2017 stats were very similar. Case just had way more to work with than Bradford did.

I do give Shurmur credit with Case. But still, he had ONE good year as an OC. And did nothing with nothing in 2016. Bevell still had an above average offense with very very little.

Whether you like Bevell or not, to say Shurmur is above and beyond the OC Bevell is just isnt accurate. Very small sample size for Shurmur and a fairly large one for Bevell that has been quite successful over recent years. Lets not forget, he also had offenses that were good enough to make it to Super Bowls.
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Re: New OC Thread

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PurpleMustReign wrote:Norv started last year and the abruptly quit. Then Shurmur had to pick up the pieces. How do you not remember that or acknowledge that?

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I did as stated above. And it's not like Shurmur made any kind of drastic turn around after Turner quit. They were still a bottom barrel offense. Lets not sit here and pretend we dont know why Shurmur had more success this year. A.) A running game. We were literally loaded top to bottom at RB. More depth at that position than anyone in the NFL B.) Drastic improvement to the OL. Pretty sure we were top 10 in the league when it came to giving up sacks.

I cant really say QB simply because if you look, Bradfords 2016 stats and Case's 2017 stats were very similar. Case just had way more to work with than Bradford did.

I do give Shurmur credit with Case. But still, he had ONE good year as an OC. And did nothing with nothing in 2016. Bevell still had an above average offense with very very little.

Whether you like Bevell or not, to say Shurmur is above and beyond the OC Bevell is just isnt accurate. Very small sample size for Shurmur and a fairly large one for Bevell that has been quite successful over recent years. Lets not forget, he also had offenses that were good enough to make it to Super Bowls.
Gimme a break, the majority of norv's offense was literally run 4 verticals down the field, these guys had a lot to learn and Shurmur had a ton of changes to implement, it's not going to happen mid season when you're still trying to win games in the now. It takes offenses a full training camp and sometimes they don't start clicking well into the season and that's having the same offense in place from day 1.

I'm not here saying Shurmur is some kind of god over Bevell, I vastly prefer Shurmur obviously but to act like he should have just had these guys humming after taking over mid season and then acting like that's enough to say he's no big loss doesn't sit well for me. Especially when you're going to talk about "he had one good year" when his one "bad" year was trying to salvage the disaster that was Norv's offense mid season.

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Re: New OC Thread

Post by J. Kapp 11 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:46 pm

I do NOT want Darrell Bevell, for two reasons.

1. He is, in my mind, forever tied to Brad Childress.
2. He was too freaking stupid to give the ball to Beast Mode.
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Re: New OC Thread

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PurpleMustReign wrote:Norv started last year and the abruptly quit. Then Shurmur had to pick up the pieces. How do you not remember that or acknowledge that?

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I did as stated above. And it's not like Shurmur made any kind of drastic turn around after Turner quit. They were still a bottom barrel offense. Lets not sit here and pretend we dont know why Shurmur had more success this year. A.) A running game. We were literally loaded top to bottom at RB. More depth at that position than anyone in the NFL B.) Drastic improvement to the OL. Pretty sure we were top 10 in the league when it came to giving up sacks.

I cant really say QB simply because if you look, Bradfords 2016 stats and Case's 2017 stats were very similar. Case just had way more to work with than Bradford did.

I do give Shurmur credit with Case. But still, he had ONE good year as an OC. And did nothing with nothing in 2016. Bevell still had an above average offense with very very little.

Whether you like Bevell or not, to say Shurmur is above and beyond the OC Bevell is just isnt accurate. Very small sample size for Shurmur and a fairly large one for Bevell that has been quite successful over recent years. Lets not forget, he also had offenses that were good enough to make it to Super Bowls.
Gimme a break, the majority of norv's offense was literally run 4 verticals down the field, these guys had a lot to learn and Shurmur had a ton of changes to implement, it's not going to happen mid season when you're still trying to win games in the now. It takes offenses a full training camp and sometimes they don't start clicking well into the season and that's having the same offense in place from day 1.

I'm not here saying Shurmur is some kind of god over Bevell, I vastly prefer Shurmur obviously but to act like he should have just had these guys humming after taking over mid season and then acting like that's enough to say he's no big loss doesn't sit well for me. Especially when you're going to talk about "he had one good year" when his one "bad" year was trying to salvage the disaster that was Norv's offense mid season.
Turner led them to a 5-0 start! He’s always been a solid OC in previous years when Hes had something to work with . You wanna go back to Shurmurs career? Ok. What has he done ever outside of this year? Please enlighten me. Would I like to keep him? Yeah because he knows this team but the guy has had little success anywhere. Bevell has. You guys are literally basing this off ONE year. He’s been a flop every other place he’s been. You “vastly” prefer Shurmur why? Because of his track record? I hope not. You’re ignoring the credibility of Bevell. Again top 10 offenses with little to work with. There was a reason Shurmur was just a TE coach a few years ago. He had little success until now. Until you give me a reason why Shurmur is better than Bevell I don’t know what you expect. ONE good year. Bevell had multiple. Case closed
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Re: New OC Thread

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Turner led them to a 5-0 start! He’s always been a solid OC in previous years when Hes had something to work with . You wanna go back to Shurmurs career? Ok. What has he done ever outside of this year? Please enlighten me. Would I like to keep him? Yeah because he knows this team but the guy has had little success anywhere. Bevell has. You guys are literally basing this off ONE year. He’s been a flop every other place he’s been. You “vastly” prefer Shurmur why? Because of his track record? I hope not. You’re ignoring the credibility of Bevell. Again top 10 offenses with little to work with. There was a reason Shurmur was just a TE coach a few years ago. He had little success until now. Until you give me a reason why Shurmur is better than Bevell I don’t know what you expect. ONE good year. Bevell had multiple. Case closed
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mondry wrote:
Pondering Her Percy wrote:
Turner led them to a 5-0 start! He’s always been a solid OC in previous years when Hes had something to work with . You wanna go back to Shurmurs career? Ok. What has he done ever outside of this year? Please enlighten me. Would I like to keep him? Yeah because he knows this team but the guy has had little success anywhere. Bevell has. You guys are literally basing this off ONE year. He’s been a flop every other place he’s been. You “vastly” prefer Shurmur why? Because of his track record? I hope not. You’re ignoring the credibility of Bevell. Again top 10 offenses with little to work with. There was a reason Shurmur was just a TE coach a few years ago. He had little success until now. Until you give me a reason why Shurmur is better than Bevell I don’t know what you expect. ONE good year. Bevell had multiple. Case closed
Pat shurmur, just a tight end coach guys... :roll:
:lol: I love how you ignore what I asked but just focus on that and try to stray people away from my opinion. AGAIN, what has Pat Shurmur done in his career that makes him so much better than Bevell? I would love to hear this answer. Because when you look at track records, it’s next to nothing. AGAIN, Shurmur had.....one good year. Just answer the question.
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Re: New OC Thread

Post by mansquatch » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:43 am

Why are you guys arguing about Shurmer, Turner, and Bevell?

Shurmer is HC of NYG: So we are not getting him.
Turner is the OC of CAR: So we are not getting him.
Bevell is interviewing with the Vikings: We might get him.

So who cares about Turner and Shurmer at this point?

For the record: I do not feel like Bevell is an exciting hire. In fact, I think he could be a detrimental hire. As I said previously, his track record in the NFL hasn't shown much individual greatness. Quite the opposite actually.

I'd rather have a McAdoo or someone new who has shown innovation and an ability to add something to the team.
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mansquatch wrote:Why are you guys arguing about Shurmer, Turner, and Bevell?

Shurmer is HC of NYG: So we are not getting him.
Turner is the OC of CAR: So we are not getting him.
Bevell is interviewing with the Vikings: We might get him.

So who cares about Turner and Shurmer at this point?

For the record: I do not feel like Bevell is an exciting hire. In fact, I think he could be a detrimental hire. As I said previously, his track record in the NFL hasn't shown much individual greatness. Quite the opposite actually.

I'd rather have a McAdoo or someone new who has shown innovation and an ability to add something to the team.
To have a top 15 offense the last two years with no real running game or OL is pretty solid if you ask me. I hate McAdoo. He might be a good OC but after what he did with Eli, I have zero respect for him. I don’t think his own players had any respect for him. That’s not a good sign in a coach. If Bevell can maintain top 15 offenses with a lot less than what we have, I have confidence he could do it here. Let’s put it this way, when was the last time Bevell had a “bad” offense?

The reason Shurmur and Turner were brought up was because it was pertaining to my point about having Shurmur compared to Bevell. We lost an OC that had one good year. Big deal. Does it suck? Sure. But he wasn’t anything special as an OC. He’s had little success in previous years. Bevell on the other hand, has. Point being, I think Bevell would be a solid replacement for Shurmur. Especially with McCoy out of the picture
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Re: New OC Thread

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mansquatch wrote:Why are you guys arguing about Shurmer, Turner, and Bevell?

Shurmer is HC of NYG: So we are not getting him.
Turner is the OC of CAR: So we are not getting him.
Bevell is interviewing with the Vikings: We might get him.

So who cares about Turner and Shurmer at this point?

For the record: I do not feel like Bevell is an exciting hire. In fact, I think he could be a detrimental hire. As I said previously, his track record in the NFL hasn't shown much individual greatness. Quite the opposite actually.
He's coordinated 3 top 10 offenses, has a Super Bowl ring as an OC, has coached as an OC in 3 conference championships and 2 Super Bowls, has had numerous top 5 rushing teams... all of that is the opposite of greatness? I understand the desire for something fresh and innovative and I'm not saying Bevell's a great offensive coordinator but his resume as an OC is actually quite impressive and it's both more extensive and more accomplished than McAdoo's.

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Post by Maelstrom88 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:42 pm

It will be interesting to see which way they go. I think it would be good to get someone who already has play-calling experience but you never know when you hire someone who hasn't been an offensive coordinator you might be getting the next great innovative mind.
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Mothman wrote:
mansquatch wrote:Why are you guys arguing about Shurmer, Turner, and Bevell?

Shurmer is HC of NYG: So we are not getting him.
Turner is the OC of CAR: So we are not getting him.
Bevell is interviewing with the Vikings: We might get him.

So who cares about Turner and Shurmer at this point?

For the record: I do not feel like Bevell is an exciting hire. In fact, I think he could be a detrimental hire. As I said previously, his track record in the NFL hasn't shown much individual greatness. Quite the opposite actually.
He's coordinated 3 top 10 offenses, has a Super Bowl ring as an OC, has coached as an OC in 3 conference championships and 2 Super Bowls, has had numerous top 5 rushing teams... all of that is the opposite of greatness? I understand the desire for something fresh and innovative and I'm not saying Bevell's a great offensive coordinator but his resume as an OC is actually quite impressive and it's both more extensive and more accomplished than McAdoo's.
What if they promote Stefanski from within and bring Bevell in as a play caller. His title could be anything.
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Post by 720pete » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:08 pm

If they hire Stefanski do you think that will indicate that they plan on sticking with Keenum?

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720pete wrote:If they hire Stefanski do you think that will indicate that they plan on sticking with Keenum?
I would think that either Teddy or Keenum could fit.


Sounds like Shurmur could be interested in Stefanski as OC if the Vikings pass him up for OC job.
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Mothman wrote:
mansquatch wrote:Why are you guys arguing about Shurmer, Turner, and Bevell?

Shurmer is HC of NYG: So we are not getting him.
Turner is the OC of CAR: So we are not getting him.
Bevell is interviewing with the Vikings: We might get him.

So who cares about Turner and Shurmer at this point?

For the record: I do not feel like Bevell is an exciting hire. In fact, I think he could be a detrimental hire. As I said previously, his track record in the NFL hasn't shown much individual greatness. Quite the opposite actually.
He's coordinated 3 top 10 offenses, has a Super Bowl ring as an OC, has coached as an OC in 3 conference championships and 2 Super Bowls, has had numerous top 5 rushing teams... all of that is the opposite of greatness? I understand the desire for something fresh and innovative and I'm not saying Bevell's a great offensive coordinator but his resume as an OC is actually quite impressive and it's both more extensive and more accomplished than McAdoo's.
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Mothman wrote:
mansquatch wrote:Why are you guys arguing about Shurmer, Turner, and Bevell?

Shurmer is HC of NYG: So we are not getting him.
Turner is the OC of CAR: So we are not getting him.
Bevell is interviewing with the Vikings: We might get him.

So who cares about Turner and Shurmer at this point?

For the record: I do not feel like Bevell is an exciting hire. In fact, I think he could be a detrimental hire. As I said previously, his track record in the NFL hasn't shown much individual greatness. Quite the opposite actually.
He's coordinated 3 top 10 offenses, has a Super Bowl ring as an OC, has coached as an OC in 3 conference championships and 2 Super Bowls, has had numerous top 5 rushing teams... all of that is the opposite of greatness? I understand the desire for something fresh and innovative and I'm not saying Bevell's a great offensive coordinator but his resume as an OC is actually quite impressive and it's both more extensive and more accomplished than McAdoo's.
I agree with you Jim, especially the part about Bevell being more accomplished than McAdoo.

However, I can understand the angst with Bevell. Vikings fans automatically associate him with Brad Childress, which is a mark against him, albeit unfair. But even in that context, Bevell was the offensive coordinator in 2009, when we were second in the league in offense. Most of us believe they were a great offensive team in spite of Childress, which means Bevell may well have had some sort of positive impact.

The more I think about this, the less I take issue with Bevell. In fact, after working with a mobile quarterback in Russell Wilson for several years, it's very possible that Bevell could take advantage of Case Keenum's mobility.
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Post by PurpleMustReign » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:39 pm

J. Kapp 11 wrote:
Mothman wrote:
mansquatch wrote:Why are you guys arguing about Shurmer, Turner, and Bevell?

Shurmer is HC of NYG: So we are not getting him.
Turner is the OC of CAR: So we are not getting him.
Bevell is interviewing with the Vikings: We might get him.

So who cares about Turner and Shurmer at this point?

For the record: I do not feel like Bevell is an exciting hire. In fact, I think he could be a detrimental hire. As I said previously, his track record in the NFL hasn't shown much individual greatness. Quite the opposite actually.
He's coordinated 3 top 10 offenses, has a Super Bowl ring as an OC, has coached as an OC in 3 conference championships and 2 Super Bowls, has had numerous top 5 rushing teams... all of that is the opposite of greatness? I understand the desire for something fresh and innovative and I'm not saying Bevell's a great offensive coordinator but his resume as an OC is actually quite impressive and it's both more extensive and more accomplished than McAdoo's.
I agree with you Jim, especially the part about Bevell being more accomplished than McAdoo.

However, I can understand the angst with Bevell. Vikings fans automatically associate him with Brad Childress, which is a mark against him, albeit unfair. But even in that context, Bevell was the offensive coordinator in 2009, when we were second in the league in offense. Most of us believe they were a great offensive team in spite of Childress, which means Bevell may well have had some sort of positive impact.

The more I think about this, the less I take issue with Bevell. In fact, after working with a mobile quarterback in Russell Wilson for several years, it's very possible that Bevell could take advantage of Case Keenum's mobility.
I agree, I am now at the point that I would be ok with Bevell, but only if we keep the right QB, which I would guess would be Keenum for his system.

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Re: New OC Thread

Post by mondry » Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:45 pm

This is so frustrating, the lack of any talent available at OC at all right now when we need one. People are legitimately excited about Bevell. Why can't we ever catch a break. :(

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mondry wrote:This is so frustrating, the lack of any talent available at OC at all right now when we need one. People are legitimately excited about Bevell. Why can't we ever catch a break. :(
.....because Bevell has had top 11 offenses the past 3 years. No reason to be mad about that
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Post by Slick Rick » Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:29 am

Bevell has been consistently good. Not only does he have the track record with Wilson, been coordinator during two SBs including one win, he also has the history with us before that. Let's not forget that Favre came back and had one of the best years of his career, and before that we won the North with Gus Frerotte and T-Jack as our primary QBs. Sure, he has had a lot to work with, but he'll have plenty here too and his success speaks for itself.

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Re: New OC Thread

Post by Pondering Her Percy » Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:40 am

Slick Rick wrote:Bevell has been consistently good. Not only does he have the track record with Wilson, been coordinator during two SBs including one win, he also has the history with us before that. Let's not forget that Favre came back and had one of the best years of his career, and before that we won the North with Gus Frerotte and T-Jack as our primary QBs. Sure, he has had a lot to work with, but he'll have plenty here too and his success speaks for itself.
Well said. Agree 100%
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Re: New OC Thread

Post by mansquatch » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:56 am

If Bevell is so great, why did SEA fire him?

I've said I felt that was due at least in part because Pete Carrol isn't going to fire himself, but I'm sure there is more to it than just that. There is no denying that SEA has been in steady decline in terms of it's offense since it's Superbowl winning days. You can say Bevell didn't get any help personnel wise and maybe there is something to that, but you also have to observe that they really failed to develop much of anything with what they did have. They also consistently missed in free agency. Is that all on the GM?

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Re: New OC Thread

Post by Mothman » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:06 am

mansquatch wrote:If Bevell is so great, why did SEA fire him? I've said I felt that was due at least in part because Pete Carrol isn't going to fire himself, but I'm sure there is more to it than just that.
There is but Carroll covering his a## is the most obvious reason. Supposedly, frustration with slow starts is another reason.

Coaches get fired. It doesn't necessarily mean they're bad coaches.
There is no denying that SEA has been in steady decline in terms of it's offense since it's Superbowl winning days. You can say Bevell didn't get any help personnel wise and maybe there is something to that, but you also have to observe that they really failed to develop much of anything with what they did have. They also consistently missed in free agency. Is that all on the GM?
No, but it's obviously not all on the offensive coordinator. Ignoring Bevell's overall body of work to focus solely on what he did after the roster began to decline seems an unfair way to evaluate him. I get that to many Vikings fans, anybody connected with Childress is considered poisonous and if had my choice of any NFL OC, Bevell would hardly the top the list but if I'm choosing between an experienced OC who won a Super Bowl calling plays and the likes of Kevin Stefanski, who's never run an offense or called plays, it's an easy decision. McAdoodle's resumé simply doesn't compare favorably and Haley's a nutjob. I'm certainly open to the team looking beyond that list and, in fact, I hope they do but at least in Bevell, they'd be getting a coordinator we know can be a part of a Super Bowl-winning staff.

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Re: New OC Thread

Post by mansquatch » Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:22 pm

So why is it limited to those three? I think it is a mistake if the Vikings say "well these are the three guys, so let's choose the least bad." If that is the case, then they should either promote someone currently on the staff or broaden the search and try to find a the next big things vs. one of these re-treads.

As I said before, this roster is a huge opportunity. They should have the pick of the litter and they should act like it.
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Re: New OC Thread

Post by fiestavike » Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:42 pm

What about Mike Mularky?

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