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I think they should try to get Cousins or Eli Manning. Move on from everyone but Sloter and still draft one when talent meets draft slot. Everyone knows the future QB isn't here now so why waste time on any of them?


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If you are going to gamble on a QB with a bad knee why would you gamble on Teddy if Bradford is also available? Based on onfield performance, Bradford is a SUPERIOR Passer, and it's not even close. (that applies to Keenum also) The trade-off is mobility, but with a completely rebuilt knee on Teddy is that gap going to be as wide? The only way I see taking Teddy here is if it is proven out that Bradford's Knee is riskier than Bridgewater's.


One advantage to Teddy is that Bradford has had multiple knee injuries in his career. Teddy's may have been a freak accident, but it seems Bradford is highly susceptible to injury, based on the evidence we have.


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IMO: Sign Teddy to a 1-2 yr "prove it" deal on the cheap (sub-10m). Make Sloter the backup. Sign a vet (preferably) or draft a late rounder for depth.

I don't believe in Bradford's ability to hold up as a starter, and I believe we saw Keenum's ceiling this year (the floaters and 50/50 balls gave me ulcers). I believe both will demand starter-money, and I don't think its wise to invest in either.

Teddy still has a ton of upside in my mind. His football IQ is as high as it gets, and from what I understand he worked like a madman on upper body and arm strength during the rehab which would address my biggest knock on him (he couldn't throw with heat AND accuracy at the same time). I don't think he was ever a good fit for Norv's offense, and I don't think he had as much talent around him on offense as he would in 2018 (particularly if Spielman addresses the #1 talent problem on the roster and brings in offensive linemen). I think with the right OC hire, he has a very high ceiling, and I think we have a better shot at signing him to a low-money / short term deal than we do Keenum or Bradford or Cousins or Brees or Smith. I'd rather use cap space to extend talent on the roster today and bring in more talent on the lines. I firmly believe a healthy Teddy could have done what Keenum did with this year's offense.

As for Sloter....watch his highlights on youtube, read some interviews with him, and you see why they've done so much to keep him. The guy deserves a shot to develop. If Teddy doesn't "prove it" in a short term deal, there's every reason to believe this kid could step in and take everyone by surprise.


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Kirk Cousins might be the best bet for us. I wouldn't mind Alex Smith.

I personally don't think it would be wise to franchise Keenum. No way we franchise Bradford or Teddy.

I want Teddy to stay, but if he goes I will understand it.

Hopefully the team looks into drafting a QB in the draft. I am a big proponent of taking a QB every year - it is simply smart with the way the NFL is now.


We're on the same page. I hope they go all in on Cousins. I also agree with drafting Qbs often. I probably wouldn't every year because then you'd run out of roster spots before a guy's rookie deal was up but every couple of years for sure. I'm against having Sean Hill type guys who you know are average at best. I'd much rather have a young guy with upside who has been in the system for a year or two as an understudy. Our system will likely be changing now so it doesn't matter (which is why I'm a proponent of having an offensive head coach but I love Zim) but Sloter would be a good backup to Keenum (on a tag), Alex Smith, or ideally Kirk Cousins. Cousins would probably cost us on resigning some of our young defensive players but he would give us the best chance to win it all next year (unless Brees is miraculously on the table) and provide stability for 3 to 5 years at Qb. No matter who they get they must shore up the offensive line though.

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IMO: Sign Teddy to a 1-2 yr "prove it" deal on the cheap (sub-10m). Make Sloter the backup. Sign a vet (preferably) or draft a late rounder for depth.

I don't believe in Bradford's ability to hold up as a starter, and I believe we saw Keenum's ceiling this year (the floaters and 50/50 balls gave me ulcers). I believe both will demand starter-money, and I don't think its wise to invest in either.

Teddy still has a ton of upside in my mind. His football IQ is as high as it gets, and from what I understand he worked like a madman on upper body and arm strength during the rehab which would address my biggest knock on him (he couldn't throw with heat AND accuracy at the same time). I don't think he was ever a good fit for Norv's offense, and I don't think he had as much talent around him on offense as he would in 2018 (particularly if Spielman addresses the #1 talent problem on the roster and brings in offensive linemen). I think with the right OC hire, he has a very high ceiling, and I think we have a better shot at signing him to a low-money / short term deal than we do Keenum or Bradford or Cousins or Brees or Smith. I'd rather use cap space to extend talent on the roster today and bring in more talent on the lines. I firmly believe a healthy Teddy could have done what Keenum did with this year's offense.

As for Sloter....watch his highlights on youtube, read some interviews with him, and you see why they've done so much to keep him. The guy deserves a shot to develop. If Teddy doesn't "prove it" in a short term deal, there's every reason to believe this kid could step in and take everyone by surprise.


Bradford will be cheaper precisely because of his injury history. If he's healthy, he's a play maker. The real question with taking the Bradford approach is going to be who backs him up. If the Vikes can find another Keenum, or Sloter is ready, then it's a low-cost, relatively low-risk, high-reward move at QB to bring Bradford back. If necessary, add incentives so that if Bradford remains healthy and the team is successful, he gets paid. If he can't stay healthy, the team isn't out much.

Keenum is going to want starter money and he's going to get it from someone. Given his entire body of work so far, is that a good investment for the Vikings? He didn't exactly light it up in the playoffs. Some really poor and costly decisions. He wasn't nearly as elusive escaping pressure. His timing and accuracy also seemed to be off at times.

Bridgewater I don't know. I'd love for him to stay on the team but we don't even know if he can play, plus his injury history is far more disturbing than Bradford's at this point. I don't see any viable way to bring him in as a starter, and as I understand it that's what he wants. If he's comfortable going into camp on a prove it contract as the backup with a chance to win the starting job, bring him back. Otherwise, I don't see it happening for him in Minnesota.


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It would be nice to see some stability at qb and I guy who could be drafted and grow along with the offense. Being a CFL fan I always love a mobile guy. Man I'd really love to see a healthy Bridgewater get a shot though. I hope he's back.
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If you are going to gamble on a QB with a bad knee why would you gamble on Teddy if Bradford is also available? Based on onfield performance, Bradford is a SUPERIOR Passer, and it's not even close. (that applies to Keenum also) The trade-off is mobility, but with a completely rebuilt knee on Teddy is that gap going to be as wide? The only way I see taking Teddy here is if it is proven out that Bradford's Knee is riskier than Bridgewater's.


One advantage to Teddy is that Bradford has had multiple knee injuries in his career. Teddy's may have been a freak accident, but it seems Bradford is highly susceptible to injury, based on the evidence we have.

OK, but let's look at this through a different lens.

Bradford's first knee injury happened in his second year in the league.

Teddy's knee injury happened after his second year in the league.

How do you know Teddy isn't "highly susceptible" to injury? He hasn't been around as long. He's taken 5 snaps since his injury.

Look, I'm not advocating for anyone. In fact, I'm as unsure as I've ever been. Two weeks ago ... heck, one week ago ... I was all-in for Keenum. Now I admit, I'm not sure. I just don't think you can say Teddy Bridgewater isn't susceptible to injury when he just came off one of the most devastating injuries anybody has ever seen. None of us know the future.

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How much would it cost to trade for Andrew Luck?

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When Teddy says he sees himself as a starter next year isn't that just like the inexperienced boxer saying he's going to beat the champ? Don't they require that mindset to push themselves and sell themselves? He will have to let the market decide if he's a starter like everyone else and he'll ultimately accept what he can get because it beats working for a living.


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How much would it cost to trade for Andrew Luck?
He's more injury prone than teddy or Sam.

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When Teddy says he sees himself as a starter next year isn't that just like the inexperienced boxer saying he's going to beat the champ? Don't they require that mindset to push themselves and sell themselves? He will have to let the market decide if he's a starter like everyone else and he'll ultimately accept what he can get because it beats working for a living.


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Exactly. I can't think of any team out there that is desperate enough to gov a guy who has played in two years the starting job. It's not like he was the number one or two overall pick in the draft. A lot of teams passed on him when he was healthy.

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Keenum 2017 season #5 best in team history. Bradford 2016 was #4 best. Teddy's best year? # 22nd best.

I think some of Keenums problem towards the end of the year was the the offensive line falling apart do to injury.
The last 2 games the offensive line was all rearranged and I think that affected their performance.

Myself I don't want to give up another draft pick for an average QB.


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If you are going to gamble on a QB with a bad knee why would you gamble on Teddy if Bradford is also available? Based on onfield performance, Bradford is a SUPERIOR Passer, and it's not even close. (that applies to Keenum also) The trade-off is mobility, but with a completely rebuilt knee on Teddy is that gap going to be as wide? The only way I see taking Teddy here is if it is proven out that Bradford's Knee is riskier than Bridgewater's.


One advantage to Teddy is that Bradford has had multiple knee injuries in his career. Teddy's may have been a freak accident, but it seems Bradford is highly susceptible to injury, based on the evidence we have.

OK, but let's look at this through a different lens.

Bradford's first knee injury happened in his second year in the league.

Teddy's knee injury happened after his second year in the league.

How do you know Teddy isn't "highly susceptible" to injury? He hasn't been around as long. He's taken 5 snaps since his injury.

Look, I'm not advocating for anyone. In fact, I'm as unsure as I've ever been. Two weeks ago ... heck, one week ago ... I was all-in for Keenum. Now I admit, I'm not sure. I just don't think you can say Teddy Bridgewater isn't susceptible to injury when he just came off one of the most devastating injuries anybody has ever seen. None of us know the future.



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For me, its hard to say at this point. I'd like the vikings to keep Teddy on the roster and see how well he does through camp. I also think it'll be kind of messed up for the Vikings to drop Case after what he did for us this season.

Bradford was amazing up until he got hurt. I dont want to see him go either. I think he the most accurate of the three.


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Buy low sell high. I would let Case go. He is at his highest value right now and I'd hate for him to come crashing back to earth on top dollar from the Vikings. I'd keep Teddy and/or Sam depending on how much each want. Both shouod get back up money imo. If either wants starter pay they can find it eksrwhere. I think they have to draft a Qb in the top 3 rounds regardless unless they overpay Kirk Cousins.

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I'm not at the Vikings' practices to see Teddy for myself. It's possible there is 0% chance he's our starter or 100% chance we just don't know enough but if they feel good about him being the guy next year all I know is that I'd be super hyped for next season cause I freaking love that kid.

He has great numbers against the blitz and under pressure which we saw a ton because the O-line was TERRIBLE (and that's actually being NICE) back then and people want to say keenum started to falter when the O-line sustained some injuries... well yeah Keenum is the opposite of Teddy (or sam for that matter) and he sucks against the blitz / pressure (see the steelers game, panthers, eagles, ETC) you know real defenses which of course are the defenses you're going to see in the playoffs.

Teddy had a rookie Stefon Diggs, a black hole for a RB who basically couldn't do anything but line up 8 yards deep and take hand offs from a QB under center, Mike Wallace whos skill set is basically the exact opposite of a match for a guy like Teddy and an OC who again, was the exact opposite of what Teddy needed to really flourish.

You have no idea how sad it makes me feel that we never got to see Teddy play with Shurmur, thielan (who's PERFECT for him!), this trio of running backs and an offensive line that wasn't a total dumpster fire.

If he's healthy, Teddy's my guy!! :cheer:

I love Sam too, he has all the talent and upside you can ask for but it seems his knees simply can't handle a full season of football (or even 1 game for that matter...)

Keenum will never win us a superbowl so I don't like the idea of putting any more resources into him but if neither sam nor teddy are healthy enough to play another solid regular season and losing in the playoffs cold be the best case scenario for us and franchising him would maintain that status quo for another year while we try to figure it out.


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How many teams have you seen make it to NFC game with a 14-3 record .
And then get rid of their QB...only the Vikings would do something like that. :lol: :lol:


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How many teams have you seen make it to NFC game with a 14-3 record .
And then get rid of their QB...only the Vikings would do something like that. :lol: :lol:


Case was not as effective down the stretch. He wasn't as elusive, his accuracy and timing were off a bit, and he turned the ball over several times. He was efficient and made some nice throws, but he wasn't the same as he had been earlier in the year. Some blamed that on the injury issues that impacted the offensive line, and thus his protection, and maybe that could explain it.

Case was signed to a one-year deal to be the 3rd string QB. He was in that position and signed that deal largely because prior to this season, what he had shown on the field with multiple teams did not merit more than that. My concern with signing him to a long-term, big-money starter contract at this point would be more about his entire body of work, and also taking into account some of the negatives of his play that we saw this year, especially late in the season and in the playoffs.

Don't get me wrong - he had a fantastic season by any account, and the Vikings appear to have gotten extremely lucky to have gotten him as their 3rd string QB this year. But I'm just not convinced he is their guy long-term. I'm not convinced he's a game changer, or at least capable of consistently changing a game. I'm not convinced Bridgewater is capable of that either, injured or not. The only QB the Vikings have that is capable of that is Bradford. Whether the Vikings want to put their chips on Bradford given his injury history is the question, but I have no doubt that of the 3 options the Vikes have at QB at this point, Bradford has the highest reward potential of the 3 and the risk in signing him can be managed, especially if Sloter is ready to take on the backup role.

The Vikes, of course, aren't forced to sign any of the 3. A guy like Drew Brees would make them instant Superbowl favorites in the NFC. Kirk Cousins probably puts them solidly in the conversation as well.


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How many teams have you seen make it to NFC game with a 14-3 record .
And then get rid of their QB...only the Vikings would do something like that. :lol: :lol:


Ravens coming fresh off a Super Bowl victory replaced Dilfer with Grbac.

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How many teams have you seen make it to NFC game with a 14-3 record .
And then get rid of their QB...only the Vikings would do something like that. :lol: :lol:


The 2000 Ravens won the superbowl and then dumped trent dilfer because it was plain as day (like with keenum) he wasn't a good QB.


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Hoping for Case Keenum.

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How many teams have you seen make it to NFC game with a 14-3 record .
And then get rid of their QB...only the Vikings would do something like that. :lol: :lol:


Case was not as effective down the stretch. He wasn't as elusive, his accuracy and timing were off a bit, and he turned the ball over several times. He was efficient and made some nice throws, but he wasn't the same as he had been earlier in the year. Some blamed that on the injury issues that impacted the offensive line, and thus his protection, and maybe that could explain it.

Case was signed to a one-year deal to be the 3rd string QB. He was in that position and signed that deal largely because prior to this season, what he had shown on the field with multiple teams did not merit more than that. My concern with signing him to a long-term, big-money starter contract at this point would be more about his entire body of work, and also taking into account some of the negatives of his play that we saw this year, especially late in the season and in the playoffs.

Don't get me wrong - he had a fantastic season by any account, and the Vikings appear to have gotten extremely lucky to have gotten him as their 3rd string QB this year. But I'm just not convinced he is their guy long-term. I'm not convinced he's a game changer, or at least capable of consistently changing a game. I'm not convinced Bridgewater is capable of that either, injured or not. The only QB the Vikings have that is capable of that is Bradford. Whether the Vikings want to put their chips on Bradford given his injury history is the question, but I have no doubt that of the 3 options the Vikes have at QB at this point, Bradford has the highest reward potential of the 3 and the risk in signing him can be managed, especially if Sloter is ready to take on the backup role.

The Vikes, of course, aren't forced to sign any of the 3. A guy like Drew Brees would make them instant Superbowl favorites in the NFC. Kirk Cousins probably puts them solidly in the conversation as well.


So you don't think the injury issues with the line affected anything??
The last 2 games Hill was like a revolving door and the last game had a PFF rating of 33. Remmers wasnt any better at left guard.
Keenum is the only QB we have with 2 good knees...
Maybe Giants will trade Eli to Jaguars and then Shurmur will sign Keenum.
You have about 7 teams looking for QB's. We will see how it all pans out.
Drew Brees isn't going anywhere. Cousins you better get you wallet out. He is due to get paid 34.5 million this year from the Redskins if they keep him. And we would be bidding against other teams for him.


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How many teams have you seen make it to NFC game with a 14-3 record .
And then get rid of their QB...only the Vikings would do something like that. :lol: :lol:


The 2000 Ravens won the superbowl and then dumped trent dilfer because it was plain as day (like with keenum) he wasn't a good QB.


Where do you come up with Case isnt a good QB? From a few games? Thats like saying our entire D suck cause of the last 6 quarters.


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How many teams have you seen make it to NFC game with a 14-3 record .
And then get rid of their QB...only the Vikings would do something like that. :lol: :lol:


The 2000 Ravens won the superbowl and then dumped trent dilfer because it was plain as day (like with keenum) he wasn't a good QB.


Where do you come up with Case isnt a good QB? From a few games? Thats like saying our entire D suck cause of the last 6 quarters.


Yeah, We can't judge the entire season from a couple of bad games. But my question is this: How many plays per game is a healthy Bradford better than a healthy Case or Teddy? I'm going to say about 5 to 7. Football is a game of inches. 7 plays better per game is a lot. Hell, 5 is. That's enough to drive up the score or win a close come from behind. I don't think Case or Teddy can throw that consistently. Staying healthy is important for sure, but when it comes to Teddy or Sam to me it's obvious the better choice is Sam. You have to let Teddy go. You have to see if Case will settle as a back up. There's going to be Lots of negotiation and lots of movement at the QB position across the league this off-season.


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Wow, getting burned by Sam's injury didnt burn you enough the past 2 years? You think age and getting hit more with make his knee all better? Theres a reason why Sam keeps landing with different teams, Rick already bet big on him and lost, and we will lose even more this coming draft.


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Wow, getting burned by Sam's injury didnt burn you enough the past 2 years? You think age and getting hit more with make his knee all better? Theres a reason why Sam keeps landing with different teams, Rick already bet big on him and lost, and we will lose even more this coming draft.

Some of us like Sam and wish he could stay healthy. Some of us thought the trade was smart.

The dude disagrees with you. So do I. Get over it.

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Wow, getting burned by Sam's injury didnt burn you enough the past 2 years? You think age and getting hit more with make his knee all better? Theres a reason why Sam keeps landing with different teams, Rick already bet big on him and lost, and we will lose even more this coming draft.

Some of us like Sam and wish he could stay healthy. Some of us thought the trade was smart.

The dude disagrees with you. So do I. Get over it.


I really hate it when people like to tell others what to do. I am over it. Hoping Rick is too. Let someone else pay for an injury prone QB who cant stay on the field. Every team that has had him wishes he could stay healthy but guess what, he cant. Maybe we should all run our posts by you and PHP before we post anything.


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Yeah, We can't judge the entire season from a couple of bad games. But my question is this: How many plays per game is a healthy Bradford better than a healthy Case or Teddy? I'm going to say about 5 to 7.


Perhaps but I think it's also fair to consider that he might be good for several more negative plays per game too due to a lack of mobility. He's definitely the best passer of the 3 though.

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Wow, getting burned by Sam's injury didnt burn you enough the past 2 years? You think age and getting hit more with make his knee all better? Theres a reason why Sam keeps landing with different teams, Rick already bet big on him and lost, and we will lose even more this coming draft.

Some of us like Sam and wish he could stay healthy. Some of us thought the trade was smart.

The dude disagrees with you. So do I. Get over it.


I really hate it when people like to tell others what to do. I am over it. Hoping Rick is too. Let someone else pay for an injury prone QB who cant stay on the field. Every team that has had him wishes he could stay healthy but guess what, he cant. Maybe we should all run our posts by you and PHP before we post anything.


For what's it's worth, I agree with you about Bradford. For that matter, I also agree with Kapp to the extent that I like Bradford. However, I think the lesson to be learned from Bradford's career to this point is that he's probably not worth the money. In the end there's a good chance that trade will end up as a first round draft pick poorly spent by the Vikings.

The more I look at the Vikes QB situation the more I wonder if, rather than having 3 potential long term starters hitting free agency, they might have zero. I'm not sure about Keenum. It may be that this year represented a "turn of the corner" for him but there's not one QB among those 3 to whom I'd give a lucrative, long-term contract this offseason. I hope they will take a hard look at free agency and the draft as well as at these 3 players.


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Post Re: Next years QB
PurpleKoolaid wrote:

Where do you come up with Case isnt a good QB? From a few games? Thats like saying our entire D suck cause of the last 6 quarters.


Actually there is quite a lot of evidence he isn't a very good QB, like multiple years worth.

Then you look at how effective he was in our losses this year and you can see he's nothing more than a mediocre guy who benefited from playing on a stacked Vikings squad.

Week 2 PIT - 20/37 167 yards passing 0 TD
Week 4 DET - 16/30 219 yards passing 0 TD
Week 14 CAR - 27/44 280 yards passing 2 TD, 2 INT, 1 Fumble lost
Playoffs PHI - 28/48 271 yards passing 1 TD 2 INT (pick 6) 1 Fumble lost

Bonus NO - 25-40 318 yards passing 1 TD 1 INT (The Minneapolis Miracle was a 61 yard TD which of course we have to count but it's called a miracle for a reason)

I don't want a guy who's turnovers lead to more points for the other team than he scores for us in a crucial playoff game.


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