So let me get this straight. You're bashing one Skins fan for one-sided opinion, and then you're using THIS piece of garbage as a rebuttal?808vikingsfan wrote:No offense but this is very one sided and filled with opinions and irrelevant info.
Here's a thread I found on reddit. It's a good read on what we can expect if he lands here. Just to balance this discussion out, here's a paste of the top comment in that thread:https://www.reddit.com/r/Redskins/comme ... ng_wisdom/Nissanica 39 points 3 days ago*
If he’s forced to extend a play and make something happen, he’s below average.
So very true. The ability to go “off script” is HUGE in today’s pass happy NFL. Defensive backs simply cannot guard receivers for extended periods of time without taking a penalty. If I were giving a QB a contract like Kirk will get, I would want him to at least be average in this area.
To add a bit:
Rodgers, Wentz, Rothlisburger, Newton, Wilson, Watson and more have this ability. They don’t need a well executed play to consistently make good things happen, as they have the ability to do it on their own. The same cannot be said for Kirk most of the time.
Problem is, there’s so many areas he would have to improve in to do a better job in off script situations.
Processing speed (how quickly he can go through progressions - how quickly he can sense a reciever will have a step and be open)
Blitz recognition/Dealing with pressure (For the second season in a row he’s had issues throwing against pressure. He’s one of the leagues worst when throwing to the intermediate level while under pressure)
Pocket awareness (So many fumbles...Oh kirk..over 30 fumbles in 3 seasons...That is not good)
Ability to evade defenders (pretty much completely absent. If you get to the back field, you’ve got him)
So the keys for Kirk to succeed are pretty simple I think.
Have a smart offensive minded coach
Have an above average pass blocking O line
Have an excellent safety valve like Chris Thompson
Without those three things, Kirk either needs to develop a Peyton Manning like level of pre-snap intelligence or drastically increase his in-play processing speed to be worth what he is getting.
Edit: I should add, this post is about the vikings. In which case, Kirk will play well there. I’m expecting more 4,000+ yard seasons. He’ll still be a systematic guy. He’ll still throw picks, he’ll still fumble. But the Vikings are better equipped to deal with that than we were. They have the right boxes checked for him to have success. The vikings believe their window is now. I’d be fine with the Redskins paying $90 million for an above average guy if it meant two chances at an NFC title game within the next three year period. Any less than that....oh boy....
Kirk led the league in interceptions while under pressure this past season, with 10 interceptions. And Kirk has over 30 fumbles in the past three seasons alone...just for comparisons sake, I think Alex Smith has about 60 total fumbles in over ten seasons (not sure of the exact figures for alex but i think im close)
That makes things simple for defenses, if you actually get to Kirk, you can either make him fumble or force him to make a bad throw. Obviously this is the goal with any QB, but Kirk’s fumble totals are alarming to say the least. And the interceptions aren’t a good look either.
I also think a few of the big reasons kirk did well against blitzes was due to the bootleg (which I thought kirk was actually really good at) and just having Chris Thompson around in general. So playcalling and team talent may have helped him a bit in that regard.
This is quite possibly the worst analysis of a player I've ever read. There isn't a single fact in it. None. It's completely one-sided ... no wait, I take it back ... he says Cousins throws well on rollouts. Woo hoo!
Since we seem to be all about unsubstantiated opinions, here's mine.
Kirk Cousins was never accepted in Washington precisely because he WASN'T RGIII. That guy came in with a bang. He could throw for 300 or rip off 75-yard TD runs, like he did against the Vikings. His face was plastered all over TV commercials, billboards, magazine covers. He was Joe Namath running a 4.3, able to leap tall buildings, make millions for Madison Avenue AND save Washington from itself.
And then, like every other running quarterback who ever came before him, RGIII got hurt. He lost his wheels. And when he lost his wheels, he had no game.
Cousins, on the other hand, was the sloppy seconds. He was drafted for the express purpose of SITTING behind RGIII. He was never supposed to play. He was the cheap insurance policy. He was the Chrysler K-Car, only to be driven whenever the Cadillac was being washed and detailed. But then the Cadillac got totaled, and the Skins were forced to drive the Chrysler. Oh sure, the K-Car ran well, got great gas mileage, never broke down, and performed better than anyone ever expected. It was a good car. But it was ... a K-Car. Ew.
THAT is why you get garbage like the "analysis" above. It has nothing to do with how Kirk Cousins actually played. It has everything to do that he was playing at all. People like that poster simply can't deal with the fact that the Redskins blew the same quarterback situation twice. Just like they blow everything that has to do with football. And they think they're going to win with Alex Smith? The guy with the 2-5 playoff record? Good luck with that.
I'll take Cousins.