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Not sure how I feel about it, if it's going to cost as much as is rumored:

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Cousins is about to become the highest-paid player in the history of the NFL, and the numbers are going to be staggering. This kind of opportunity -- the ability to acquire a franchise quarterback in his prime without having to give up a draft pick -- comes around once in a generation.


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Vikes have a ton of cap space this year coming up and a ton of big contracts the year after...so some sort of tag for Keenum makes sense to give him another year to prove it wasn't a fluke along with a deal for Bridgewater (i'd expect $7-8m a year for a couple of years) while we have the luxury of cap space to further evaluate them. Then let them fight it out for the number 1 spot and contract going forwards. I'd be surprised if anything other than this shakes out unless someone makes Bridgewater a big offer but Zimmer loves him and I think that will hold sway with him.


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Can someone please fill me in on why we’re so fascinated by Cousins? He had an outstanding year in 2016 (almost 5,000 yards) and two other 4,000 yard seasons. But he doesn’t win. In those three seasons the Skins were 9-7, 8-7-1, and 7-9. I don’t think he’s worth the kind of money people are talking about and I believe his stats have been inflated from putting up yards late in games when the Skins were losing (I don’t know this for a fact, it’s an assumption I’m making), similar to Stafford. Now, I don’t follow the Skins and haven’t watched many of their games, so if there’s something I’m missing please let me know, but I just don’t see why we want to spend $20mil/year on him.


And in the last 3 seasons, the Redskins have had the 21st, 28th and 28th total defenses. Along with no running game and up and down WR play. No less their OL got demolished this year. And he still managed .500 records. He cant do it all himself

Yet some guys on here are ok with just rolling with Teddy next year and drafting a guy? What has Teddy proved? Oh and did I mention Kirk Cousins didnt almost lose his leg to an injury?

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Sure, the difference between 2017 Cousins and 2017 Keenum isn't that great. But the difference between 2012-2017 Cousins and 2012-2017 Keenum is gigantic. If the Vikings believe that Keenum can keep up his level of play in 2017, sign Keenum for 5-10M a year cheaper than Cousins. If they have any belief that Keenum can't continue his 2017 pace, make a move for Cousins.

Also - it's true that Cousins doesn't move the needle as much as someone like Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees in that he can't take a bottom 5 team to the playoffs consistently, but he has the ability to change a what-would-be 4-12 team into an 8-8 team. Or in our case, with our defense and weapons, he could turn a 10-6 team into a 12-4 team consistently. Who knows about the playoffs, though, since he doesn't have much experience there...

I don't think we should even be discussing Teddy as our starter for 2018. I hope the Vikings leadership isn't. Even when healthy, Teddy never played as well as Keenum or put up stats anywhere close to what Keenum did in 2017. Anyone who thinks Teddy can come in a replicate (or play better than) 2017 Keenum is just purely speculating. I can see the argument that Teddy had to play through AD, had a crappy offensive line, and didn't nearly have the weapons on offense, but to assume he would be able to take advantage of those things and become an MVP candidate is at best wishful thinking and at worst a little delusional.

Edited to add: if the Vikings feel confident that Bradford's knee is healthy and he can move and play like he did in 2016, sign him over Cousins and Keenum.


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The look on his face when he led the SKOL chant after the TD against the Saints convinced me that he deserves a chance to get the job done here.

Really? The look on his face when he led the Skol chant? That's the bar for whether Keenum deserves a chance to get the job done here?
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I don't see Cousins as a big improvement over Keenum. I think the total yards numbers are very misleading when comparing the two players. Case had 59 fewer attempts and a *lot* fewer "garbage time" yards as the Vikings were running at the end of games mostly not passing against weaker prevent situations. Case had the higher rating last year, completion percentage.

When comparing Cousins and Keenum it seems like you might as well go with the guy who already has a relationship with the team and receivers. Of course if you believe Keenum's performance was a fluke rather than an elongated progression to become a better player - five years to 'blossom' instead of the normal three that people tend to look for - then Cousins makes sense. Otherwise I just don't see it.

Cliff, I'd be right there with you if not for Case's falloff at the end of the season. He had a mediocre game against a bad Green Bay defense, another mediocre game against a pretty good Bears defense, an up-and-down game against the Saints, and then the total-team meltdown against Philly.

I was one of the first to jump on the Case bandwagon. I love the guy. But Kirk Cousins didn't have near the receiving talent Case had, and their O-line was really horrible. He's got a ton of arm talent, he's a hard worker and a good leader. It's just tough. I think I know what we'd have with Case. I'm pretty sure of what we'd have with Cousins.

Let's just say I wouldn't be upset with either as the Vikings' quarterback. But I'll be pretty upset with neither.

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Cliff, I'd be right there with you if not for Case's falloff at the end of the season. He had a mediocre game against a bad Green Bay defense, another mediocre game against a pretty good Bears defense, an up-and-down game against the Saints, and then the total-team meltdown against Philly.


That's my concern too. He didn't really have any really bad games, except for Philly, but he did so little at the end of the year, which is when teams have the most film on him. I can't help but think that's significant. I don't know for sure that's the reason for the decline, but it doesn't give me warm fuzzies. Even in the Saints game, he did next to nothing. A lot of stats came on that final play, and his bad interception was significant. He's a guy I want to root for, but I'm scared. I'd prefer something less risky. Was a blast this year though.

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The look on his face when he led the SKOL chant after the TD against the Saints convinced me that he deserves a chance to get the job done here.

Really? The look on his face when he led the Skol chant? That's the bar for whether Keenum deserves a chance to get the job done here?
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I just dont know how we can maintain our defense if we sign Cousins to big money. Sure I would like him, but it could kill our team in the next coming years. That is my worry. I think no matter what, drafting a QB is a must. But if they think they can somehow swing it and sign Cousins do it. But I'm starting to think the Jets will be hard to beat out. Their OC was from the Shanahan era. That could have a huge impact on everything

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I just dont know how we can maintain our defense if we sign Cousins to big money. Sure I would like him, but it could kill our team in the next coming years. That is my worry. I think no matter what, drafting a QB is a must. But if they think they can somehow swing it and sign Cousins do it. But I'm starting to think the Jets will be hard to beat out. Their OC was from the Shanahan era. That could have a huge impact on everything


I guess I think of it this way - is Barr worth a franchise QB? My answer is no. Way easier to find a replacement for Barr than it is to find a franchise QB in his prime. Of course I don't want to lose ALL of the defense, but if it means losing 1 guy (most likely Barr or Waynes or Hunter), I do it.

The only guys on D I wouldn't "trade" for a franchise QB would be Rhodes and Smith.


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I just dont know how we can maintain our defense if we sign Cousins to big money. Sure I would like him, but it could kill our team in the next coming years. That is my worry. I think no matter what, drafting a QB is a must. But if they think they can somehow swing it and sign Cousins do it. But I'm starting to think the Jets will be hard to beat out. Their OC was from the Shanahan era. That could have a huge impact on everything


I guess I think of it this way - is Barr worth a franchise QB? My answer is no. Way easier to find a replacement for Barr than it is to find a franchise QB in his prime. Of course I don't want to lose ALL of the defense, but if it means losing 1 guy (most likely Barr or Waynes or Hunter), I do it.

The only guys on D I wouldn't "trade" for a franchise QB would be Rhodes and Smith.


There’s no way I let go Waynes or Hunter either. That’s the tough part.

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When talking about Cousins and cap space keep one thing in mind. Between Case, Teddy and Sam, the Vikings had $22.1 million tied up in cap space for those three in 2017.

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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
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I just dont know how we can maintain our defense if we sign Cousins to big money. Sure I would like him, but it could kill our team in the next coming years. That is my worry. I think no matter what, drafting a QB is a must. But if they think they can somehow swing it and sign Cousins do it. But I'm starting to think the Jets will be hard to beat out. Their OC was from the Shanahan era. That could have a huge impact on everything


I guess I think of it this way - is Barr worth a franchise QB? My answer is no. Way easier to find a replacement for Barr than it is to find a franchise QB in his prime. Of course I don't want to lose ALL of the defense, but if it means losing 1 guy (most likely Barr or Waynes or Hunter), I do it.

The only guys on D I wouldn't "trade" for a franchise QB would be Rhodes and Smith.


There’s no way I let go Waynes or Hunter either. That’s the tough part.


We are going to lose defensive players over the next 4 years. We won't be able to keep this core in tact longer than that. All the more reason to get a franchise QB to take advantage of this championship window. Plus, I have way more confidence in Zimmer finding and coaching up another DB, LB, or DE through the draft than I have in him finding and coaching up a franchise QB through the draft (or on the roster).


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We are going to lose defensive players over the next 4 years. We won't be able to keep this core in tact longer than that. All the more reason to get a franchise QB to take advantage of this championship window. Plus, I have way more confidence in Zimmer finding and coaching up another DB, LB, or DE through the draft than I have in him finding and coaching up a franchise QB through the draft (or on the roster).


Good point. Im all for drafting a qb but reality of the situation says we have a really good window to win one in the next three years. They can lock up barr and grab cousins easily. Question is do they want to. If cousins wants to be greedy then so be it


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Vikes have a ton of cap space this year coming up and a ton of big contracts the year after...so some sort of tag for Keenum makes sense to give him another year to prove it wasn't a fluke along with a deal for Bridgewater (i'd expect $7-8m a year for a couple of years) while we have the luxury of cap space to further evaluate them. Then let them fight it out for the number 1 spot and contract going forwards. I'd be surprised if anything other than this shakes out unless someone makes Bridgewater a big offer but Zimmer loves him and I think that will hold sway with him.


In that scenario you're basically putting $30M into your QBs, may as well give Cousins or Brees $30M in that situation.


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When talking about Cousins and cap space keep one thing in mind. Between Case, Teddy and Sam, the Vikings had $22.1 million tied up in cap space for those three in 2017.

This is a GREAT point.

Sam's cap number was $18 million, and we got next to nothing out of him. So if we signed Cousins, the extra cap space wouldn't be his full salary. It would effectively be the difference between his salary and Sam's salary. Maybe $10 million. If you sign Cousins, you don't keep both Case and Teddy. You might not even keep both, meaning the backup QB salary might be less than the $4.1 million we paid Case and Teddy.

Even signing Cousins, I'd estimate we'd still be roughly $50 million under the cap, which should be plenty to extend just about anybody we need.

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When talking about Cousins and cap space keep one thing in mind. Between Case, Teddy and Sam, the Vikings had $22.1 million tied up in cap space for those three in 2017.

This is a GREAT point.

Sam's cap number was $18 million, and we got next to nothing out of him. So if we signed Cousins, the extra cap space wouldn't be his full salary. It would effectively be the difference between his salary and Sam's salary. Maybe $10 million. If you sign Cousins, you don't keep both Case and Teddy. You might not even keep both, meaning the backup QB salary might be less than the $4.1 million we paid Case and Teddy.

Even signing Cousins, I'd estimate we'd still be roughly $50 million under the cap, which should be plenty to extend just about anybody we need.


Adam schefter posted that we're third in cap space heading into the season at 57 mil. (Browns are tops at a bit over 100 mil, jets are second) and im pretty sure that number wasn't counting any free agents we have. So even if they do sign cousins at 30 mil the cap will still be at 27 mil. I dont know how extensions work, so barr even if extended will make his base salary next year, or does an extension kick in right away?


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In that scenario you're basically putting $30M into your QBs, may as well give Cousins or Brees $30M in that situation.


the difference though is that it is for one year - the year we have an abundance of cap space. No way Cousins signs a team friendly easy to get out of deal after 1 year (or Brees) and it's next year you need the cap space.

If Keenum plays great again sign him long term and trade Bridgewater, the other way around let Keenum walk and keep Bridgewater. Either way we have the cap luxury this year of being able to do it and I suspect that's the way they will go.


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When talking about Cousins and cap space keep one thing in mind. Between Case, Teddy and Sam, the Vikings had $22.1 million tied up in cap space for those three in 2017.

This is a GREAT point.

Sam's cap number was $18 million, and we got next to nothing out of him. So if we signed Cousins, the extra cap space wouldn't be his full salary. It would effectively be the difference between his salary and Sam's salary. Maybe $10 million. If you sign Cousins, you don't keep both Case and Teddy. You might not even keep both, meaning the backup QB salary might be less than the $4.1 million we paid Case and Teddy.

Even signing Cousins, I'd estimate we'd still be roughly $50 million under the cap, which should be plenty to extend just about anybody we need.


Adam schefter posted that we're third in cap space heading into the season at 57 mil. (Browns are tops at a bit over 100 mil, jets are second) and im pretty sure that number wasn't counting any free agents we have. So even if they do sign cousins at 30 mil the cap will still be at 27 mil. I dont know how extensions work, so barr even if extended will make his base salary next year, or does an extension kick in right away?


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When talking about Cousins and cap space keep one thing in mind. Between Case, Teddy and Sam, the Vikings had $22.1 million tied up in cap space for those three in 2017.

This is a GREAT point.

Sam's cap number was $18 million, and we got next to nothing out of him. So if we signed Cousins, the extra cap space wouldn't be his full salary. It would effectively be the difference between his salary and Sam's salary. Maybe $10 million. If you sign Cousins, you don't keep both Case and Teddy. You might not even keep both, meaning the backup QB salary might be less than the $4.1 million we paid Case and Teddy.

Even signing Cousins, I'd estimate we'd still be roughly $50 million under the cap, which should be plenty to extend just about anybody we need.


Adam schefter posted that we're third in cap space heading into the season at 57 mil. (Browns are tops at a bit over 100 mil, jets are second) and im pretty sure that number wasn't counting any free agents we have. So even if they do sign cousins at 30 mil the cap will still be at 27 mil. I dont know how extensions work, so barr even if extended will make his base salary next year, or does an extension kick in right away?


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That's a good question about Barr. The new money in Matt Stafford's extension actually starts next season, even though he signed it in August of 2017. Barr is likely going to be expensive, probably north of $10 million. Luke Kuechly's deal, for example, averages about $12 million. Von Miller's is much higher. Barr is no Von Miller, but he does have "4-time Pro Bowler" on his resume. He's not going to come cheap.

Also, we'd have more than $27 million in 2018 if we sign Cousins. Remember, we lose Bradford's huge contract ($18 million) and you have to count that because there's no way we'd re-sign Bradford. So assuming your $30 million figure, our cap space would still be about $45 million.

The Vikings could front-load a Cousins deal, spread it out, back-load it, or do whatever they need to do to make it work. Stafford's spread-out deal is a good example of what teams often do with quarterbacks. His cap hit increases steadily from $26.5 million to $31.5 million from 2018 to 2020, then drops the last two. The fifth year is not guaranteed -- all bonuses for that year are dependent upon him being on the roster. Rick Spielman is a pretty smart guy. I'm sure he'll make it work for the team.

For what it's worth, the Washington Post now ranks the Vikings as the most likely spot for Cousins, although it's purely speculation. No sources claiming anything.

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I want Case Keenum. He showed plenty of real football skill and leadership. He took us to the NFC Championship game, for cryin' out loud. And that game was a total team loss... not just on him. Yes, he had ups and downs. All QB's do. Roethlisberger and Brady have bad games, too. His arm strength is decent, but not amazing... I get this.

But his accuracy is generally pretty good, and his ability to stay alive in the pocket, under pressure, is very good. He's durable. He takes care of the ball... very low INT ratio. He can run pretty well... roll-outs and scrambles for a first down... that kind of thing. He's calm under pressure and can make plays.

Most importantly, he is a leader and the team rallies around him.

I think we can run with Case and maybe keep Teddy as #2 if the price is right.

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I want Case Keenum. He showed plenty of real football skill and leadership. He took us to the NFC Championship game, for cryin' out loud. And that game was a total team loss... not just on him. Yes, he had ups and downs. All QB's do. Roethlisberger and Brady have bad games, too. His arm strength is decent, but not amazing... I get this.

But his accuracy is generally pretty good, and his ability to stay alive in the pocket, under pressure, is very good. He's durable. He takes care of the ball... very low INT ratio. He can run pretty well... roll-outs and scrambles for a first down... that kind of thing. He's calm under pressure and can make plays.

Most importantly, he is a leader and the team rallies around him.

I think we can run with Case and maybe keep Teddy as #2 if the price is right.


That is definitely my second option but if we are going to throw $25 mill at Case, I'd just rather throw $30 at Cousins instead.

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I'll go out on a limb here and say the only way the Vikes keep Keenum this year is if they franchise him. He had a great season and it's a QB-starved league. Someone will be willing to offer him a multi-year deal with enough up front to ensure he'll take the offer. So for the Vikings to keep him, they'd either have to match that up front or, if they're still not convinced he warrants a multi-year commitment, they're going to have to use the franchise tag on him. And if they did that, and I were his agent, I'd insist that one-year deal include a clause that prevents the Vikings from using the franchise tag on him the following year.

But here's my main problem with that - Keenum wasn't consistent enough to warrant either a long-term deal or the franchise tag. He had issues seeing and hitting open deep receivers, which cost the Vikings scoring opportunities, especially as the season went on. His accuracy was off at times. Some simple throws against Philly were horribly botched at a time when every easy throw had to be made. He had ball security issues that resulted in costly fumbles and interceptions, with the highlight being the duck he lobbed against Philly that resulted in a defensive score for the Eagles.

I'm not saying this was endemic or typified his season. He performed very well at times, but I keep wondering if people aren't looking at Keenum and his performance in relative terms (i.e. this guy was a 3rd-stringer playing under a minimum deal and look what he did!). If you look at him as simple starting QB, he looks less impressive, especially in the playoffs. If you look at him compared to other FA QBs who are looking for longer-term, larger deals and starting gigs, Keenum starts to look much less attractive, at least to me. He just hasn't done it at a high enough level long enough and for enough time for me to be sold that he belongs in the long-term commitment, NFL starting QB conversation.

I feel the same way about Bridgewater, albeit far less certain about his longer term viability as a starting QB (or even a backup, for that matter).

That really leaves the Vikings with a single on-roster option in Bradford, and while I understand the concerns about his knee holding up, he's also the only guy on the roster that is a guy defenses might be actually afraid of given his ability to sling the ball and his consistent mid and deep range accuracy. If Bradford is healthy and has time, he'll do to almost every defense what he did against the Saints to start the season, especially if he has a run/pass option with a healthy Dalvin Cook and he has TE's he trusts can get open and catch the ball.

Cousins would do well with the Vikings too for much the same reason.

Brees would probably make the Vikings Superbowl favorites heading into next season. I just don't see him leaving New Orleans.


I'm going to start off by agreeing with the premise that the only way Keenum comes back is on a multi-year deal or with the franchise tag. It really doesn't seem likely that we'll be able to get him for one year and any less than the franchise tag is worth - that would be pretty damn stupid of Keenum's agent to allow that to happen, so it's not likely. I don't think he can command much more than a Brock Osweiler type of deal where he makes around 15-18M over 3-4 years just because he's only had one good year, and I think that's an avenue that the Vikings should explore just because $23M on the tag is a pretty ridiculous amount of money even if it's non-commital. I'm hoping the Vikings can do something where they have some flexibility, maybe a 4 year deal that's more backloaded and where we won't get stuck paying him for 3.5 years if he poops the bed right away in year one. I'm not an expert on all of that stuff like and how it works, but I know that a lot of deals are structured that way, and a lot of times when extending someone who maybe isn't as effective as they were at the beginning of their contract, teams will restructure it in that way.

Also, I think it's a very strong chance that he does come back - I don't see many other good options out there. Sure, he's inconsistent and he does have some of the issues that you've mentioned, but what available QBs don't have that problem? Also, last year was the first year where he really had extensive weaponry surrounding him - this was the best Vikings offensive line that we've seen in years, probably since 2009 (neither were GREAT, for what it's worth), a really effective running back tandem with Murray and McKinnon, and of course Thielen/Diggs/Rudolph. When he was in Houston, his best receiver was probably still an aging Andre Johnson, I can't really remember what exactly they had, but they were struggling back then and it wasn't just him who was struggling. Finally, when he was in St. Louis it was kind of the same thing, they hadn't taken the step forward with their entire offense yet and they were still in the Jeff Fisher era, going 6-10, 7-9, 8-8, etc, etc, etc.

Bradford coming back just doesn't seem likely because of how poorly he played the last time we saw him on the field. He was totally outclassed by Keenum, who actually took the offense down the field against a scrappy but ultimately not very good Bears defense which makes me wonder if Bradford was even healthy going into this game or if Keenum just straight up outplayed him. I'm not sure how that will work for them, and I'm not even sure if right now you can even say that Bradford is better even if he can complete passes all over the field. Durability is pretty damn important, and Bradford hurts his knee a lot and always has going back to his college days. Also, the way Bradford was brought back for a game and benched for the remainder of the season after his poor play is eerily similar to what happened with Josh Freeman back in that infamous 2013 MNF game against the Giants. Bridgewater I think would be an excellent insurance policy, although it'd have to be a pretty team friendly deal because of how long it's been since he played and the fact that his injury was a pretty significant one. Brees just probably isn't going to happen, it's not like Favre where he said he wanted to play for us for over a year before we ended up snagging him.

In a nutshell: I like Keenum, I think we should bring him back maybe on a 3-4 year deal and while it is a risk, there isn't an option for us on the table right now that doesn't come without a pretty sizeable risk. Bradford, while talented, did not do well for us this year and Keenum took his spot even when he was presumably healthy.


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All I know is this. Any of the QB's we don't sign, will tear up the league next year and make the Vikings look like fools for not signing them. After all, that' the way things work for the "Vikings". :D

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FWIW, unless the Vikings completely hose up the QB deal or suffer a slew of injuries they will likely enter the season as a top, if not the top NFC team. There are no significant departures on the horizon other than Pat Shurmer and they are getting Dalvin Cook back. They are an obvious pre-season choice to be a top NFC team.

I think our road to the championship next year will be harder than it was this season. We are going to have a first place conference schedule and probably at least 3 prime time games. I do not think we'll get the NFC E as we had them two seasons ago, so probably NFC W and AFC E. Then they'll sprinkle in games vs. other top teams like the Saints and PIT. Might see JAX as well for a "who is the best D?" showdown. I bet we'll play in LA. We won big this past season so they are going to give us tougher matchups in prime time to generate ratings. PHI will have it worse, that is the only consolation.

Stack on top of this that Rogers will likely be playing a 3rd place schedule which will let them feast on lesser opposition. I suspect either DET or CHI will be a surprise team also. One of those new coaches will win some games. 2018 is going to be a rugged season for the Vikings.

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We'll have a hard schedule, that much is for certain, and we need to get better because I disagree I think we do have some significant departures. While I'm not so worried about the defensive ones like Tom Johnson (most likely will move on or retire) or Terrence Newman (most likely will retire) because I thought those guys had seen better days anyway and the Vikings always seem to come up with good defensive linemen and we have a lot of good cornerbacks ready to go. I'm mostly worried about losing Berger who has been our best offensive lineman for years and also the tandem of Easton and Sirles. I thought offensive line was already the weakest unit on an otherwise very well put together and complete football team, so we definitely have to address that.

If we upgrade offensive line and go from "eh, it's alright" to "damn, that's a pretty good offensive line", I think we will be the favorites in the NFC. I don't think we should care about being favorites or not, but I think we'd go from favorites to win the division to favorites to represent the conference in the SB. Gotta tweak that line and also keeping w/ the topic - gotta sign that QB.


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Slick Rick wrote:
In a nutshell: I like Keenum, I think we should bring him back maybe on a 3-4 year deal and while it is a risk, there isn't an option for us on the table right now that doesn't come without a pretty sizeable risk. Bradford, while talented, did not do well for us this year and Keenum took his spot even when he was presumably healthy.


Good points and I completely understand where you are coming from.

I don't think Bradford was ready when they put him back on the field against the Bears. I think he wanted to play and gut it out, but he just couldn't. So I wouldn't use that game as a reflection of what he can do when healthy. What he can do when healthy is what he did to the Saints in the first game and in many games the prior season after the Vikes traded for him.

The other thing the Vikings need to get done is to find their new offensive coordinator, because that guy is going to dramatically influence this decision on both sides in terms of what the Vikings want in their starting QB and how attractive an offer might be for a potential FA QB like Cousins. Maybe the new OC will be fine with a guy like Keenum knowing what his limitations are, or even a guy like Bridgewater.


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Well without a QB on the roster for next year, Las Vegas has the Vikings at 12/1 odds for winning next years Super Bowl.

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Slick Rick wrote:
Bradford coming back just doesn't seem likely because of how poorly he played the last time we saw him on the field. He was totally outclassed by Keenum, who actually took the offense down the field against a scrappy but ultimately not very good Bears defense which makes me wonder if Bradford was even healthy going into this game or if Keenum just straight up outplayed him.

I don't disagree with your ultimate conclusion that it probably makes more sense to sign Keenum given Bradford's history, but I wouldn't base ANYTHING on the Bears game. I was at that game, and Bradford was absolutely not 100% healthy. He was hobbled, slow, and couldn't step into his throws. Easy to outplay a cripple. Vikings' decision will be based on how they think Bradford's health is NOW and the potential for future injury, not how he played in the Bears game while still not fully recovered. If Teddy would give the Vikes a hometown discount to stay on and compete for the starting position with Keenum, I would be perfectly fine going into 2018-19 with Keenum and Teddy battling for the starting position and Sloter in the wings.

Speaking of Sloter, has anything leaked out of the Vikings' camp over the course of the season about how he has looked in practices? I think the fact they protected him at the end of the season with 4 QBs on the roster speaks volumes, but would be nice to hear something concrete about his performance and potential. It would be so much like the Vikings to find a diamond in the rough who turns out to be the next Aaron Rodgers. Err, oh, wait . . . .


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Our road schedule is probably the toughest schedule I've seen in a long time.

Away:

Bears
Lions
Packers
Eagles
Patriots
Rams
Seahawks
Jets

The only weaker non division opponent is the Jets. We play both SB teams on the road next year. Woof!


Our home schedule is much easier

Home:

Bears
Lions
Packers
Cardinals
Bills
Dolphins
49ers
Saints

Much easier schedule at home. This team is really going to be tested on the road next year

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