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The DL outside of Linval has been invisible lately. It is very concerning.

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Agreed 100%. I dont understand why we arent blitzing as much. I was ready to shoot Zim when it was 1st down all the way to 4th down on that final Saints drive and he didnt throw 1 blitz at them. And anytime he did blitz, Brees crapped his pants. Did anyone else notice all this or was it just me?? The pass rush not only wasnt getting sacks in the 2nd half but Brees was barely touched. I could've guaranteed Zim would have thrown something at Brees on 4th and 10.

This defense is deadly when they are blitzing and can easily cover enough in the back half to warrant it. I swear if we dont put Foles under pressure I'm going to lose it. There is no reason we should let that guy sit back there and try to pick us apart. He hasnt ever seen a D like ours. He should have crap in his pants

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The DL outside of Linval has been invisible lately. It is very concerning.

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Agreed 100%. I dont understand why we arent blitzing as much. I was ready to shoot Zim when it was 1st down all the way to 4th down on that final Saints drive and he didnt throw 1 blitz at them. And anytime he did blitz, Brees crapped his pants. Did anyone else notice all this or was it just me?? The pass rush not only wasnt getting sacks in the 2nd half but Brees was barely touched. I could've guaranteed Zim would have thrown something at Brees on 4th and 10.

This defense is deadly when they are blitzing and can easily cover enough in the back half to warrant it. I swear if we dont put Foles under pressure I'm going to lose it. There is no reason we should let that guy sit back there and try to pick us apart. He hasnt ever seen a D like ours. He should have crap in his pants


doubt they'll get the chance to pressure foles, it'll be all RPOs and quick passes. Must be prepared for the double moves. If the Eagles win it'll be because the Viking couldn't stop the run or got beat on a couple big td passes on double moves. I don't see any way they let Foles beat them with quick slants all game.


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The DL outside of Linval has been invisible lately. It is very concerning.

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Agreed 100%. I dont understand why we arent blitzing as much. I was ready to shoot Zim when it was 1st down all the way to 4th down on that final Saints drive and he didnt throw 1 blitz at them. And anytime he did blitz, Brees crapped his pants. Did anyone else notice all this or was it just me?? The pass rush not only wasnt getting sacks in the 2nd half but Brees was barely touched. I could've guaranteed Zim would have thrown something at Brees on 4th and 10.

This defense is deadly when they are blitzing and can easily cover enough in the back half to warrant it. I swear if we dont put Foles under pressure I'm going to lose it. There is no reason we should let that guy sit back there and try to pick us apart. He hasnt ever seen a D like ours. He should have crap in his pants


doubt they'll get the chance to pressure foles, it'll be all RPOs and quick passes. Must be prepared for the double moves. If the Eagles win it'll be because the Viking couldn't stop the run or got beat on a couple big td passes on double moves. I don't see any way they let Foles beat them with quick slants all game.


i did read that Zim is blitzing less than last year. I dont know I just wanted to see more pressure on Brees than I did. All I know is, the Saints offense was way more dangerous than this offense is. I think our defense handles them no problem. Their defense scares me. Case needs to show up big time

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i did read that Zim is blitzing less than last year. I dont know I just wanted to see more pressure on Brees than I did. All I know is, the Saints offense was way more dangerous than this offense is. I think our defense handles them no problem. Their defense scares me. Case needs to show up big time


Its been 5 or 6 games since we've seen Case at his high water mark this year. Hopefully he is due for a really good performance.


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Blitzing is risk/reward. From what I saw last Sunday, Brees was beating them when they blitzed, so in that respect it probably wasn't worth it. The last three games of the season were all cases where it probably wasn't necessary to blitz given the state of the opposition. Why take the risk if you do not need to?

PHI is a different animal than NO. In PHI you do not have a top 5 QB in the league, so his ability to beat you is much more limited. There is also no equivalent to Kamara on Philadelphia. IMO, this matchup is easier top to bottom. No elite QB, no "big play" guy out of the backfield, and no Shawn Peyton to draw it up. My hunch is we might not see a lot of blitzing in this game either. They may not need to. If they are blitzing it is either because they do not fear Foles or think they can goad him into a mistake or because they have to take risks. Let us hope they do not have to take risks...

I feel like the bigger risk in this game is our offense vs. their defense. Case cannot be giving away short fields on stupid INTs. As I have said other times this week, my hope is that last Sunday was major wake up call in that department.

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For what it's worth, Nick's Foles passer rating under pressure is 23.8. Compared to Keenum's 76.5.

Foles craps his pants under pressure. I'm not saying go blitz crazy but Foles under pressure compared to Foles having a clean pocket is night and day.

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For what it's worth, Nick's Foles passer rating under pressure is 23.8. Compared to Keenum's 76.5.

Foles craps his pants under pressure. I'm not saying go blitz crazy but Foles under pressure compared to Foles having a clean pocket is night and day.


Good stat, but assuming they run a similar game plan to last week and try to protect foles by simplifying his reads with RPOs, I'd rather drop linebackers underneath slant routes than bring a ton of pressure that can't possibly get there in time with the ball coming out quick, and opens up huge lanes for guys like Agholar to make huge plays after the catch. If they can get immediate pressure right up the middle with the double a gap look, that'll be the way to do it.

If the Vikings can stop the eagles run game with 7, play Rhodes and Waynes aggressively on quick underneath routes, and keep 2 safeties high for double moves, this game shouldn't be close. If PHI can force the vikings to bring a S to the box, they'll be able to put real stress on our CBs. I expect Zimmer to throw in a few wrinkles to confuse Foles.


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Stop the run and we will win imo barring turnovers. Vikes need Admiral Ackbar at linebacker this week "It's a trap!". How does a defense shut down the trap play?

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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
For what it's worth, Nick's Foles passer rating under pressure is 23.8. Compared to Keenum's 76.5.

Foles craps his pants under pressure. I'm not saying go blitz crazy but Foles under pressure compared to Foles having a clean pocket is night and day.


Good stat, but assuming they run a similar game plan to last week and try to protect foles by simplifying his reads with RPOs, I'd rather drop linebackers underneath slant routes than bring a ton of pressure that can't possibly get there in time with the ball coming out quick, and opens up huge lanes for guys like Agholar to make huge plays after the catch. If they can get immediate pressure right up the middle with the double a gap look, that'll be the way to do it.

If the Vikings can stop the eagles run game with 7, play Rhodes and Waynes aggressively on quick underneath routes, and keep 2 safeties high for double moves, this game shouldn't be close. If PHI can force the vikings to bring a S to the box, they'll be able to put real stress on our CBs. I expect Zimmer to throw in a few wrinkles to confuse Foles.


I love when I see the double A gap look. However, I feel like I didnt see it much vs. NO. Brees is one of the smartest QBs out there. But I honestly see Foles getting shook if he sees stuff like that and gets hit a few times.

Also, even though Philly has a good D, their pass defense only ranks 17th. It's going to be tough to run but the pass should be there. Also, QUIT RUNNING EVERY TIME ON FIRST DOWN SHURMUR!!. You've called some great games but we're doing way too many first down runs. Hit them with some play actions.

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For what it's worth, Nick's Foles passer rating under pressure is 23.8. Compared to Keenum's 76.5.

Foles craps his pants under pressure. I'm not saying go blitz crazy but Foles under pressure compared to Foles having a clean pocket is night and day.


Good stat, but assuming they run a similar game plan to last week and try to protect foles by simplifying his reads with RPOs, I'd rather drop linebackers underneath slant routes than bring a ton of pressure that can't possibly get there in time with the ball coming out quick, and opens up huge lanes for guys like Agholar to make huge plays after the catch. If they can get immediate pressure right up the middle with the double a gap look, that'll be the way to do it.

If the Vikings can stop the eagles run game with 7, play Rhodes and Waynes aggressively on quick underneath routes, and keep 2 safeties high for double moves, this game shouldn't be close. If PHI can force the vikings to bring a S to the box, they'll be able to put real stress on our CBs. I expect Zimmer to throw in a few wrinkles to confuse Foles.


I love when I see the double A gap look. However, I feel like I didnt see it much vs. NO. Brees is one of the smartest QBs out there. But I honestly see Foles getting shook if he sees stuff like that and gets hit a few times.

Also, even though Philly has a good D, their pass defense only ranks 17th. It's going to be tough to run but the pass should be there. Also, QUIT RUNNING EVERY TIME ON FIRST DOWN SHURMUR!!. You've called some great games but we're doing way too many first down runs. Hit them with some play actions.


I was hoping they would start passing more on 1st down too. Still, the big reason this became a game was the turnover and the blocked punt. Take care of the ball and the Vikings should have won this game easily and should have a good chance to win on Sunday vs PHI.

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I love when I see the double A gap look. However, I feel like I didnt see it much vs. NO. Brees is one of the smartest QBs out there. But I honestly see Foles getting shook if he sees stuff like that and gets hit a few times.

Also, even though Philly has a good D, their pass defense only ranks 17th. It's going to be tough to run but the pass should be there. Also, QUIT RUNNING EVERY TIME ON FIRST DOWN SHURMUR!!. You've called some great games but we're doing way too many first down runs. Hit them with some play actions.


Good idea. I think Thielen and Diggs will be able to make plays against their secondary. Sadly, our offensive line - though vastly improved - is still not able to reliably create movement up front. I sort of like the idea of coming out and passing early and often in this one, then test their run D with some heavy sets later in the game...i just don't believe the line will be able to get that done in the run game against PHI, and neither Murray or McKinnon excel in that type of run game. Id almost like to see them give Ham some carries if they are trying to salt away a win or going with a heavy formation and commiting to the running game early.


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Also, QUIT RUNNING EVERY TIME ON FIRST DOWN SHURMUR!!. You've called some great games but we're doing way too many first down runs. Hit them with some play actions.


Agreed. It was a little frustrating to watch.

I also am questioning why we didn't utilize Jet more vs. their linebackers. I'm questioning Jet's usage in general down the stretch.

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I'm questioning Jet's usage in general down the stretch.


Between the two backs he seems clearly the superior in my view, including in short yardage, despite his diminutive stature.


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Zimmer vs Pederson....Id take Zimmer every time in that bout. The Eagles offense doesn't scare me at all. They can run the RPO all they want. The vikings have the fastest lateral defensive speed in the game. I don't think it will be very effective unless Ajayi goes off in the run game, which is possible. Foles is also a statue in the pocket so if they get into 3rd and medium to 3rd and long situations, there's no chance. And that's aside from Minnesota having the best 3rd down defense of all-time.


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I think people are underestimating the Philly run game. Blount and Ajayi could give us some trouble. This is going to be a battle of field position and TOP. Stewart gave us some fits in Carolina-I hope Blount doesn't do the same.

I would be shocked if Foles throws the ball further than 20 yds-which makes me happy we can stack the box a bit.

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I think people are underestimating the Philly run game. Blount and Ajayi could give us some trouble. This is going to be a battle of field position and TOP. Stewart gave us some fits in Carolina-I hope Blount doesn't do the same.

I would be shocked if Foles throws the ball further than 20 yds-which makes me happy we can stack the box a bit.



Agreed. And not just their RBs, but PHI is tough in the trenches on both sides of the ball (minus Vaitai, who I see as a major weak link at LT). Much of their running game success is attributable to the OL.


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I have a different take, I think the Vikings have to establish the run. The Eagles pass rush is seriously good and I think Case is going to be under pressure all game. They need to play similar to the Rams game where they basically just wore them down by the 4th quarter.


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Also, QUIT RUNNING EVERY TIME ON FIRST DOWN SHURMUR!!. You've called some great games but we're doing way too many first down runs. Hit them with some play actions.


Agreed. It was a little frustrating to watch.

I also am questioning why we didn't utilize Jet more vs. their linebackers. I'm questioning Jet's usage in general down the stretch.
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Yeah I'm wondering if they go back to Remmers at RT and bring in Sirles. Hill had a really tough game.

I'm not sure Remmers would have fared much better again Jordan. He's a beast. Little surprised they didn't give Hill more help.

And here I was, thinking that Hill did a fine job. He's our backup right tackle, lifted off the Practice Squad of the Jags (?) last year, and he's playing one on one against the best player on the Saints defense. And he gave up eight pressures but no sacks (AFAICT). And he made the play when he needed to: Watch him take Cam Jordan completely out of Case's sightline on the replay of the last play - if you can find a copy of it anywhere. :wink:

For me, in retrospect, that was one of the most important individual plays in the game, because Case was completely unrestricted (moving or seeing) in Diggs direction.


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As to the topic under consideration... I'm a bit pissed that they made the Vikes favorites. It's hard to have a chip on your shoulder when you are expected to win. It's hard to play that "no respect card" when you are favored. I see this game as a true tossup. Yes, the Eagles can't hold a candle to the Saints offense, but the Eagles defense at home is way, way better than the Saints defense on the road. I'm seeing a 17-13 game here, and I can't tell which team is going to win. The Vikes are not scoring 29 points on Sunday, outdoors on grass, against Philly's defense, like we did twice against the Saints. Of course, we are a better defense than the one that held Philly to 15 points last weekend. On paper, the Vikes should win. Turnovers and special teams almost killed us last weekend, and could be our downfall in the cold Pennsylvania winter (although I look now, and it should be clear and almost 50 at kickoff).

I'd love to be wrong. I think if I were in Vegas, I'd drop some big money (like a Superbowl ticket worth) on Philly, thinking that it would be worth the "expense" to go to the Superbowl, and worth a nice winter vacation if we didn't win.


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With these two defensive teams, it all boils down to which team has the better OLine. I am betting against Philly.

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I think people are underestimating the Philly run game. Blount and Ajayi could give us some trouble. This is going to be a battle of field position and TOP. Stewart gave us some fits in Carolina-I hope Blount doesn't do the same.

I would be shocked if Foles throws the ball further than 20 yds-which makes me happy we can stack the box a bit.



This is a great observation. Bruiser backs have been more our nemesis this season than the speedy guys. The upside, is the passing game of the Eagles can likely be contained without much fanfare by our secondary. It will interesting to see if the Vikings can handle this issue.

I also agree with SI97' point that this is probably a game where we play it conservative and just wear them down. I do think our pass catchers will create some issues within their secondary, but I'm not sure our OL is good enough to contain that pass rush all day long. My sense is they'll come in with 4 quarter approach to the game and try to limit the pass rushes ability to change the game for the Eagles. No turnovers!

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I think people are underestimating the Philly run game.

Agreed! One unit that I haven't seen analyzed on this thread (edit: no, Texas Vike discussed it; sorry) is the Eagles' offensive line, which is terrific. It's easily the best part of their offense post-Wentz. I'm okay with the Vikings going with a two-high-safety look on occasion (especially on obvious passing downs), but I worry about front-seven defenders getting pancaked and beaten on running plays. The Purple needs a great game from Joseph and Johnson.

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I would be shocked if Foles throws the ball further than 20 yds-which makes me happy we can stack the box a bit.

Yes, that's the advantageous side of it. Surely it's obvious to everyone that the Vikings will pack in the defenders ("Hello, Mr. Running Back; let me introduce you to Mr. Smith") and dare Foles to beat them. Good luck, Nick.


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Looking at Philly with a little more depth:

(....)

Interesting tidbit: Last offensive touchdown was scored in the 1st QTR of the game vs. OAK.

Wait, what? They got a LeGarrette Blount rushing touchdown in the second quarter of the divisional playoff against Atlanta. That score was the culmination of a fairly scary-looking 14-play, 86-yard drive that included nine runs (the best five of which went for 7, 8, 8, 10, and 21 yards), 4-for-5 passing from Foles (all four completions gaining 6-9 yards each), and only one successful third-down conversion (on two attempts; they scored the TD on a fourth-and-goal from the 1).

I'd like to think that the Eagles couldn't do that to the Vikes, but I suspect that they probably could.


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Also, QUIT RUNNING EVERY TIME ON FIRST DOWN SHURMUR!!. You've called some great games but we're doing way too many first down runs. Hit them with some play actions.


Agreed. It was a little frustrating to watch.

I also am questioning why we didn't utilize Jet more vs. their linebackers. I'm questioning Jet's usage in general down the stretch.


I just went through the game on NFL.com and went through the play by play looking at 1st downs. In the 1st half we passed 11 times and rushed 7 times on first down. In the 2nd half we passed 11 times and rushed 6 times on 1st down. That's a 22/13 pass/rush ratio on 1st down ... unless I've somehow looked at the play by play improperly.

His interception came on a pass on 1st down.

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Also, QUIT RUNNING EVERY TIME ON FIRST DOWN SHURMUR!!. You've called some great games but we're doing way too many first down runs. Hit them with some play actions.


Agreed. It was a little frustrating to watch.

I also am questioning why we didn't utilize Jet more vs. their linebackers. I'm questioning Jet's usage in general down the stretch.


I just went through the game on NFL.com and went through the play by play looking at 1st downs. In the 1st half we passed 11 times and rushed 7 times on first down. In the 2nd half we passed 11 times and rushed 6 times on 1st down. That's a 22/13 pass/rush ratio on 1st down ... unless I've somehow looked at the play by play improperly.

His interception came on a pass on 1st down.


Thanks for checking that. It's surprising. Maybe I just remember Murray getting stuffed on what felt like every first down. What's more problematic is how much better Philadelphia's defensive line is.

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I also agree with SI97' point that this is probably a game where we play it conservative and just wear them down. I do think our pass catchers will create some issues within their secondary, but I'm not sure our OL is good enough to contain that pass rush all day long. My sense is they'll come in with 4 quarter approach to the game and try to limit the pass rushes ability to change the game for the Eagles. No turnovers!


The problem is, Mike Remmers was a disaster run blocking at left guard. If you rewatch the game and pay attention to him, he was a train wreck in there. He was much better in pass protection.

I don't think the vikings will be able to effectively run the ball at all on Sunday.


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Road game... high stakes.

This game will be against a better defensive front 7 than the Saints and better Defense overall. However, also a game against a worse, offense. Arguably much worse.

We should be favored. Our Defense is better than Philadelphia's so we should not struggle to contain their offense. This will be a game where it is up to the offense to not be careless with the football.

My hope is that as awesome as yesterday was, it serves as a wake up call that it is the playoffs and dumb mistakes almost cost them the chance to play in this game.


Very solid take.....was going to write something similar but you said it best.


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it's amazing what one game does to my head. had we just kept rolling the saints like we were for three quarters i'd go into this philly game very confident! well...as confident as a Vikings fan can be in the nfc championship... :?

but after needing a miracle to win on sunday, it's hard to have the swagger right now. as a fan I mean. I think we'll win this game, but i'm not sure my head has completely absorbed what it saw sunday night.

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Also, QUIT RUNNING EVERY TIME ON FIRST DOWN SHURMUR!!. You've called some great games but we're doing way too many first down runs. Hit them with some play actions.


Agreed. It was a little frustrating to watch.

I also am questioning why we didn't utilize Jet more vs. their linebackers. I'm questioning Jet's usage in general down the stretch.

I loved the fake reverse to Diggs, pitch to McKinnon on the opening touchdown. It was wide open, and he went into the endzone untouched. I was surprised the Vikes didn't use more misdirection against the overpursuit of the Saints to get the RBs to the edges. The up-the-middle runs clearly weren't working. Murray averaged 2.6 ypc on 19 carries and Jet averaged 4.3 ypc on 8 carries. Would have liked to have seen Jet get a few more touches and Tay Train get fewer.


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