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If the last 2 games we played, that we could have lost, with so much on the line, doesnt worry some of you, it should.


I agree that the offensive didn't look great the last two weeks but I believe that Shurmur played overly conservative in those games to limit turnovers/let our defense win and also not give playoff teams much to study in the final weeks of the season.

Even if this wasn't the case, they have 2 weeks to get their offense in rhythm. Coming out of the bye week against WAS the offense was firing on all cylinders so either way I feel like we're going to ready to go.

I'm actually more concerned that the defense comes out flat (kinda like against WAS after the bye) but I think being the last game of the weekend will get the guys pumped up watching everyone else first.


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Can the mods please delete this post? I'm not trying to see stuff like this while I'm mentally prepare for one of the biggest Vikings games this weekend.


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I don't worry about teams.... I just cheer on the team....I would worry if I lived vicaurisouly though the Falcons. Its cheer hard no matter what, win or lose. If they win Saturday night....ok, if they lose ok.....it has no bearing on my success and what I can control so why worry


Dude, learn how to quote prior messages. It's not that hard. You can preview your messages before posting even.

As to the sentiment you express here, glad to hear you have the time not only to cheer on your team (while misspelling vicariously - spell check is also a feature of the board), but also the time to come to the message board of a team your team isn't even playing to attempt to troll a fan of said team.

I'm not a mod on here, but if I were, I'd ban you for trolling until the Vikings beat the Falcons, at which point I'd let you back on.


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Ok if the Vikings win on Sunday will moss carter start a thread titled "the better team lost today?"


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Ok if the Vikings win on Sunday will moss carter start a thread titled "the better team lost today?"
After watching the incredible successful season, this thread is basically saying forget what you saw and watch the Vikings lose a game that won't be close. Forgive my firm belief that we're being played with, as in "How to keep an idiot busy."


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Part of what I don't like is the fact that many fans (and media) have basically penciled us into the Super Bowl. I mean seriously, who writes an article about whether or not we will be able to use all of our "normal" amenities during the Super Bowl, or if we will get our home locker room? Keep in mind, we haven't even won a game and people were saying that. After everything I've been through with this team the last thing I need to read is someone acting like it's a certainty.


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Part of what I don't like is the fact that many fans (and media) have basically penciled us into the Super Bowl. I mean seriously, who writes an article about whether or not we will be able to use all of our "normal" amenities during the Super Bowl, or if we will get our home locker room? Keep in mind, we haven't even won a game and people were saying that. After everything I've been through with this team the last thing I need to read is someone acting like it's a certainty.


Most of the posts about the media around here complain that we don’t get enough respect. Now we get too much respect? Next we’ll be complaining that the refs gave us too many favorable calls.


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Part of what I don't like is the fact that many fans (and media) have basically penciled us into the Super Bowl. I mean seriously, who writes an article about whether or not we will be able to use all of our "normal" amenities during the Super Bowl, or if we will get our home locker room? Keep in mind, we haven't even won a game and people were saying that. After everything I've been through with this team the last thing I need to read is someone acting like it's a certainty.


What you're referring to is speculation regarding a rare event (in fact, an event that has never happened) - a team playing a Superbowl in it's home stadium. People are just speculating on what that would be like. I don't think anyone is saying it is going to happen.

Quite to the contrary, most of what I'm reading in the national press seems to mirror your thinking, that Drew Brees and his playoff experience, coupled with Case Keenum and his inexperience, is going to be the difference in the game. Heck, Troy Aikman almost had his foot too far down his throat to take it out when he started talking about this during the Saints-Panthers game, and I just heard another radio commentator say essentially the same thing.

It almost seems to me like nobody believes these Vikings are for real. So quite the opposite of what you're saying is true as it seems the national media, at least, is pre-disposed to thinking the Saints are the better team and on a clear path to the Superbowl.

I don't know what will happen in the upcoming game(s) for the Vikings, but, if anything, I'm sick and tired about hearing about Drew Brees and how great he is, or Matt Ryan, or Ben R, or Tom Brady for that matter. Screw them all - the Vikings defense can take any of them apart (and will).


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Can the mods please delete this post? I'm not trying to see stuff like this while I'm mentally prepare for one of the biggest Vikings games this weekend.


So dont read it? The thread title is pretty obvious on what its about.


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Hi All, Saints fan here from the deep south, where it's a balmy 50 deg. I promise I'm not here to troll, though I think the OP may be. Just wanted to read fan thoughts and give you the opponents take...

I would've much preferred to play the Iggles in the Divisional round, and I think the Failcons will will come away with that win. That's not good for the Vikes or the Saints because I think they are the most dangerous 6th seed we've seen in a while.

I think we all agree that the Vikes have a serviceable offense and a very good defense, just as the Saints have a serviceable defense and a very good offense. The best thing the Vikes can do is mimic the Panthers strategy in the wild card round - stack the box and take the running game away. This didn't work well for the Panthers because Brees lit them up, but the Panthers don't have Rhoads and two outstanding safeties. If the Vikes secondary can effectively man-up on Saints receivers, then the Vikes front seven will give Brees trouble. I've seen a lot of comments here about Brees being immobile, but I would disagree. He's no Russell Wilson, but he has an excellent awareness of closing pressure and is athletic enough to scramble. He's also very good at throwing on the run. Still, if the run game is slowed and the Vikes get pressure, Brees will have trouble.

The other side of the ball is a big question mark for me. The Saints D is an opportunistic, bend-but-don't-break group with a couple of elite playmakers - Cam Jordan and Marshon Lattimore. Lattimore will probably post up on Thielen all day, and that should be a good matchup. However, other than our rook free safety, Williams, the rest of the Saints defensive backfield is generally weak. They can all make plays, but they can all get burnt as well. The Saints have been middling against the run, but I'm not overly concerned with Murray. I think McKinnon will pose a bigger problem.

So, elite offense (#2) meets elite defense (#1). It will be a great battle, but the game comes down to a middling Vikes offense (#11) versus a middling Saints defense (#17). Saints 28, Vikes 24

Wish I could make it up there to your fine city. Good luck and have fun, and try to be hospitable to the handful of Saints fans you encounter. I promise if you ever make it down to the Superdome, you'll be welcomed and shown a good time. The only battles should be on the field.


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If the last 2 games we played, that we could have lost, with so much on the line, doesnt worry some of you, it should. To say Case is as good as Brees is absurd. How many seasons has Case had like this last one? Thats right, none. Brees has them every year since he came into the league, except for his first year or 2. They are as well rounded as we are, we are better on D, they have a better O. I think we can beat them, and the Pats, but its no cake walk, history means nothing. This may be the last shot we have of a well rounded, well coached team in a long time. I have the purple shades off, and am very worried about the Saints.


Why are you so honed in on the last two games? The Saints lost to the Bucs week 17, who have the worst, I repeat, the worst pass defense in the entire NFL and a middle offense at best.

What Case has done in the past means nothing right now. No different than Brees. No different than when fans bring up what Rick Spielman did in Miami. WHO CARES?! It does not matter one bit.

And nobody has "purple shades" on. I think most of us just believe in this team and believe they can beat anyone, anywhere, anytime. Especially when we're at home.

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The Falcons bring up some interesting dimensions to this topic.

Consider, the Vikings Defense went into ATL and held them to 9 points in their own house. I consider this game an excellent litmus for how the Vikings will match up vs. the Saints.

Rhodes held Jones to something like 20 or 30 yards passing. I humbly submit that while Michael Thomas is showing himself to be a decent player he is not in the same class as Julio Jones. Therefore why should it be expected the Thomas is going to find a gap in Rhodes' coverage, something the elite in the NFL haven't done?

On the other side of the ball the comparison is less apt. Sanu Jr. is not the same kind of WR as Ginn. However Waynes is quite fast, so he should be able to handle Ted Ginn.

I just do not find it at all persuasive that the Vikings secondary is going to have trouble with this group of WR.

From there we got the RB, the real teeth of the Saints offense. The Vikings have yet to have major issues with RB based passing game, against dealing with the ATL RB passing game quite effectively, basically nullifying it. On this one the comparison in terms of player quality might be more appropriate. Kamara is probably closer in talent level or better than Freeman where Thomas vs. Jones is a little bit silly.

Still, the common thread here is the Vikings D has stood up to the test. There is no reason to think it won't hold up on Sunday.

Oh and saying we have a serviceable offense is a bit silly IMO. Don't let rosy QB colored glasses fool you. We sport probably the best WR tandem in the NFL. A top 10 TE, and the best no name OL in the league this year. This unit went weeks (!) without giving up a sack. The RB stable has less notoriety, but it has been getting the job done and not just against cream puff opposition. The reason we do not get any respect is our QB is named Case Keenum, but the results on the field do not lie. Maybe Lattimore can slow down Thielen, but who is going to cover Diggs? Carolina has a terrible WR corps and even worse OL. The Vikings will be another thing entirely.

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The Falcons bring up some interesting dimensions to this topic.

Consider, the Vikings Defense went into ATL and held them to 9 points in their own house. I consider this game an excellent litmus for how the Vikings will match up vs. the Saints.

Rhodes held Jones to something like 20 or 30 yards passing. I humbly submit that while Michael Thomas is showing himself to be a decent player he is not in the same class as Julio Jones. Therefore why should it be expected the Thomas is going to find a gap in Rhodes' coverage, something the elite in the NFL haven't done?

On the other side of the ball the comparison is less apt. Sanu Jr. is not the same kind of WR as Ginn. However Waynes is quite fast, so he should be able to handle Ted Ginn.

I just do not find it at all persuasive that the Vikings secondary is going to have trouble with this group of WR.

From there we got the RB, the real teeth of the Saints offense. The Vikings have yet to have major issues with RB based passing game, against dealing with the ATL RB passing game quite effectively, basically nullifying it. On this one the comparison in terms of player quality might be more appropriate. Kamara is probably closer in talent level or better than Freeman where Thomas vs. Jones is a little bit silly.

Still, the common thread here is the Vikings D has stood up to the test. There is no reason to think it won't hold up on Sunday.

Oh and saying we have a serviceable offense is a bit silly IMO. Don't let rosy QB colored glasses fool you. We sport probably the best WR tandem in the NFL. A top 10 TE, and the best no name OL in the league this year. This unit went weeks (!) without giving up a sack. The RB stable has less notoriety, but it has been getting the job done and not just against cream puff opposition. The reason we do not get any respect is our QB is named Case Keenum, but the results on the field do not lie. Maybe Lattimore can slow down Thielen, but who is going to cover Diggs? Carolina has a terrible WR corps and even worse OL. The Vikings will be another thing entirely.


You make a lot of good points. I'm wondering if Linval will line up over Warford or Peat's replacement. I think they should put him over the backup where he can wreak the most havoc.

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Dmizzle0 wrote:
Can the mods please delete this post? I'm not trying to see stuff like this while I'm mentally prepare for one of the biggest Vikings games this weekend.


So dont read it? The thread title is pretty obvious on what its about.


FOH with that. At least wait until the game is over to make post on who was better or not. This is a big game for the Vikings and the fans Im extra hyped this week and Im looking out for fellow fans that just as hyped as me.


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PurpleKoolaid wrote:
Dmizzle0 wrote:
Can the mods please delete this post? I'm not trying to see stuff like this while I'm mentally prepare for one of the biggest Vikings games this weekend.


So dont read it? The thread title is pretty obvious on what its about.


FOH with that. At least wait until the game is over to make post on who was better or not. This is a big game for the Vikings and the fans Im extra hyped this week and Im looking out for fellow fans that just as hyped as me.


Agreed. I'd rather not come on here and see threads from our own fans saying the Saints are a better team (which on paper and by what analysts are saying, they are not). I want to come on here and enjoy the excitement with all our fans and BELIEVE in this team. Not listen to all the negatives.

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Case Keenum doesn't have to be better than Drew Brees for the Vikes to win this game. He has to be good enough. He can do that. :govikes:

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I don't worry about teams.... I just cheer on the team....I would worry if I lived vicaurisouly though the Falcons. Its cheer hard no matter what, win or lose. If they win Saturday night....ok, if they lose ok.....it has no bearing on my success and what I can control so why worry


Dude, learn how to quote prior messages. It's not that hard. You can preview your messages before posting even.

As to the sentiment you express here, glad to hear you have the time not only to cheer on your team (while misspelling vicariously - spell check is also a feature of the board), but also the time to come to the message board of a team your team isn't even playing to attempt to troll a fan of said team.

I'm not a mod on here, but if I were, I'd ban you for trolling until the Vikings beat the Falcons, at which point I'd let you back on.


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I'm simply calling it like I see it. I was at the Steeler game early on in the year and that offensive performance was as bad as I've ever seen. At the end of the day, they have Brees, and we have Keenum. Now, maybe this is Keenum's breakout year and he will take strides forward (albeit likely not with us sadly), or is he one game away from what he's done for the majority of his career? That is why I have an uneasy feeling with this match up--our defense simply cannot have a letdown in any capacity for this team to win from here out. That is a lot to ask.
In 98 I felt we would win, in 09 I felt the same, and in 2015 I thought we would lose. I find it hard to imagine how fans (true fans) cannot overlook the bad misfortunes of this franchise. You can sit there and say there is no curse all you want, well how else do you explain some of the things that happened? We had a freaking kicker not miss an extra point or field goal all year are you kidding me!! Nobody can script something that absurd. Then, after Favre put in the guttiest performance I've ever seen, we literally had the overtime rules rewritten over the fact that people literally felt bad for us (part of me truly believes that). Sorry for feeling this way, but my question is what could possibly be next? I've simply been conditioned to disappointment with this team and I apologize if I brought others down because of that. I see a Saints team that can win via the run or the pass, and that is a tall order for any defense to face.


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Hi All, Saints fan here from the deep south, where it's a balmy 50 deg. I promise I'm not here to troll, though I think the OP may be. Just wanted to read fan thoughts and give you the opponents take...

I would've much preferred to play the Iggles in the Divisional round, and I think the Failcons will will come away with that win. That's not good for the Vikes or the Saints because I think they are the most dangerous 6th seed we've seen in a while.

I think we all agree that the Vikes have a serviceable offense and a very good defense, just as the Saints have a serviceable defense and a very good offense. The best thing the Vikes can do is mimic the Panthers strategy in the wild card round - stack the box and take the running game away. This didn't work well for the Panthers because Brees lit them up, but the Panthers don't have Rhoads and two outstanding safeties. If the Vikes secondary can effectively man-up on Saints receivers, then the Vikes front seven will give Brees trouble. I've seen a lot of comments here about Brees being immobile, but I would disagree. He's no Russell Wilson, but he has an excellent awareness of closing pressure and is athletic enough to scramble. He's also very good at throwing on the run. Still, if the run game is slowed and the Vikes get pressure, Brees will have trouble.

The other side of the ball is a big question mark for me. The Saints D is an opportunistic, bend-but-don't-break group with a couple of elite playmakers - Cam Jordan and Marshon Lattimore. Lattimore will probably post up on Thielen all day, and that should be a good matchup. However, other than our rook free safety, Williams, the rest of the Saints defensive backfield is generally weak. They can all make plays, but they can all get burnt as well. The Saints have been middling against the run, but I'm not overly concerned with Murray. I think McKinnon will pose a bigger problem.

So, elite offense (#2) meets elite defense (#1). It will be a great battle, but the game comes down to a middling Vikes offense (#11) versus a middling Saints defense (#17). Saints 28, Vikes 24

Wish I could make it up there to your fine city. Good luck and have fun, and try to be hospitable to the handful of Saints fans you encounter. I promise if you ever make it down to the Superdome, you'll be welcomed and shown a good time. The only battles should be on the field.


I think this is a fair take for what looks to be a very good game.

FWIW, I was at the week 1 game and defended a Saints family against an obviously drunk Vikings fan that wouldn't stop harassing them. I'd like to think our fanbase is good for the most part with just a few bad eggs.

I think this is the Vikings year and we finally get the Lombardy but we will see. BTW, we pray to Kneesus around here for obvious reasons.


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I'm simply calling it like I see it. I was at the Steeler game early on in the year and that offensive performance was as bad as I've ever seen. At the end of the day, they have Brees, and we have Keenum. Now, maybe this is Keenum's breakout year and he will take strides forward (albeit likely not with us sadly), or is he one game away from what he's done for the majority of his career? That is why I have an uneasy feeling with this match up--our defense simply cannot have a letdown in any capacity for this team to win from here out. That is a lot to ask.
In 98 I felt we would win, in 09 I felt the same, and in 2015 I thought we would lose. I find it hard to imagine how fans (true fans) cannot overlook the bad misfortunes of this franchise. You can sit there and say there is no curse all you want, well how else do you explain some of the things that happened? We had a freaking kicker not miss an extra point or field goal all year are you kidding me!! Nobody can script something that absurd. Then, after Favre put in the guttiest performance I've ever seen, we literally had the overtime rules rewritten over the fact that people literally felt bad for us (part of me truly believes that). Sorry for feeling this way, but my question is what could possibly be next? I've simply been conditioned to disappointment with this team and I apologize if I brought others down because of that. I see a Saints team that can win via the run or the pass, and that is a tall order for any defense to face.

Let me address this. Two players make up most of their offense. Kamara and Ingrahm. Stop them and you stop the Saints.

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Mark Ingram      1540
Alvin Kamara     1554
Michael Thomas   1245
Ted Ginn          826
Brandon Coleman   364
Coby Fleener      295


Vikings are more balanced on offense.

Yards from scrimmage.
Code:
Adam Thielen       1287
Jerick McKinnon     991
Latavius Murray     945
Stefon Diggs        862
Kyle Rudolph        532
Laquon Treadwell    200
Jarius Wright       198

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I'm simply calling it like I see it. I was at the Steeler game early on in the year and that offensive performance was as bad as I've ever seen. At the end of the day, they have Brees, and we have Keenum. Now, maybe this is Keenum's breakout year and he will take strides forward (albeit likely not with us sadly), or is he one game away from what he's done for the majority of his career? That is why I have an uneasy feeling with this match up--our defense simply cannot have a letdown in any capacity for this team to win from here out. That is a lot to ask.
In 98 I felt we would win, in 09 I felt the same, and in 2015 I thought we would lose. I find it hard to imagine how fans (true fans) cannot overlook the bad misfortunes of this franchise. You can sit there and say there is no curse all you want, well how else do you explain some of the things that happened? We had a freaking kicker not miss an extra point or field goal all year are you kidding me!! Nobody can script something that absurd. Then, after Favre put in the guttiest performance I've ever seen, we literally had the overtime rules rewritten over the fact that people literally felt bad for us (part of me truly believes that). Sorry for feeling this way, but my question is what could possibly be next? I've simply been conditioned to disappointment with this team and I apologize if I brought others down because of that. I see a Saints team that can win via the run or the pass, and that is a tall order for any defense to face.

Let me address this. Two players make up most of their offense. Kamara and Ingrahm. Stop them and you stop the Saints.

Yards from scrimmage.
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Mark Ingram      1540
Alvin Kamara     1554
Michael Thomas   1245
Ted Ginn          826
Brandon Coleman   364
Coby Fleener      295


Vikings are more balanced on offense.

Yards from scrimmage.
Code:
Adam Thielen       1287
Jerick McKinnon     991
Latavius Murray     945
Stefon Diggs        862
Kyle Rudolph        532
Laquon Treadwell    200
Jarius Wright       198


Good post. I agree. I think Rhodes can cover Thomas. Can Waynes take Ted Ginn?

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BTW, you know who the second best RB duo (in rushing the ball)is since Cook went down in week 4? Ingrahm and Kamara are number one. But Mckinnon and Murray are number two. Something that no one seems to have noticed.

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That is a good point there Raptorman and it brings me some optimistic vibes with both rushing attacks. Waynes can cover Ginn every day of the week, but can we stop the run too? That is the question.


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I'm simply calling it like I see it. I was at the Steeler game early on in the year and that offensive performance was as bad as I've ever seen. At the end of the day, they have Brees, and we have Keenum. Now, maybe this is Keenum's breakout year and he will take strides forward (albeit likely not with us sadly), or is he one game away from what he's done for the majority of his career? That is why I have an uneasy feeling with this match up--our defense simply cannot have a letdown in any capacity for this team to win from here out. That is a lot to ask.
In 98 I felt we would win, in 09 I felt the same, and in 2015 I thought we would lose. I find it hard to imagine how fans (true fans) cannot overlook the bad misfortunes of this franchise. You can sit there and say there is no curse all you want, well how else do you explain some of the things that happened? We had a freaking kicker not miss an extra point or field goal all year are you kidding me!! Nobody can script something that absurd. Then, after Favre put in the guttiest performance I've ever seen, we literally had the overtime rules rewritten over the fact that people literally felt bad for us (part of me truly believes that). Sorry for feeling this way, but my question is what could possibly be next? I've simply been conditioned to disappointment with this team and I apologize if I brought others down because of that. I see a Saints team that can win via the run or the pass, and that is a tall order for any defense to face.


What does week 2 vs. the Steelers have anything to do with this weekends game?!! Again, the Saints just lost to the Bucs who we dominated WITH Keenum. Explain that one. No less you're overlooking that the Saints really struggle on the road. They are 4-4 this year. And they only had 5 losses. No less Brees is 1-4 in his career on the road in the playoffs. Quit sucking the wind out of everyones sails and relax.

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That is a good point there Raptorman and it brings me some optimistic vibes with both rushing attacks. Waynes can cover Ginn every day of the week, but can we stop the run too? That is the question.


We've stopped the run AND the pass all year. There is no reason to say we couldnt. We completely shut down the Rams. Who have a great running and passing attack. And who also beat the Saints. You're living in the negative right now dude. I get why, because this team has let us down in the past but just like everyone else is saying, this is a different Vikings team and possibly the most complete Vikings team we as fans have ever seen. From GM to coaches, from offense to defense. Sit back and have a drink. Calm the nerves

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Our record says we're better than the Saints.

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I'm simply calling it like I see it. I was at the Steeler game early on in the year and that offensive performance was as bad as I've ever seen. At the end of the day, they have Brees, and we have Keenum. Now, maybe this is Keenum's breakout year and he will take strides forward (albeit likely not with us sadly), or is he one game away from what he's done for the majority of his career? That is why I have an uneasy feeling with this match up--our defense simply cannot have a letdown in any capacity for this team to win from here out. That is a lot to ask.
In 98 I felt we would win, in 09 I felt the same, and in 2015 I thought we would lose. I find it hard to imagine how fans (true fans) cannot overlook the bad misfortunes of this franchise. You can sit there and say there is no curse all you want, well how else do you explain some of the things that happened? We had a freaking kicker not miss an extra point or field goal all year are you kidding me!! Nobody can script something that absurd. Then, after Favre put in the guttiest performance I've ever seen, we literally had the overtime rules rewritten over the fact that people literally felt bad for us (part of me truly believes that). Sorry for feeling this way, but my question is what could possibly be next? I've simply been conditioned to disappointment with this team and I apologize if I brought others down because of that. I see a Saints team that can win via the run or the pass, and that is a tall order for any defense to face.

I find it interesting that you'll base your opinion off of one game, the Pittsburgh game, but you completely throw out the one game we actually played against the Saints (and destroyed them). You're discounting the fact that the Saints lost to Tampa, whom we thrashed. You're discounting the fact that the Saints are actually pretty lucky to still be breathing after the choke job by Drew Brees. You're ignoring the fact that we're outscoring our opponents by an average of 25-12 at USB, and that includes the 14-7 loss to Detroit. You're basing all this doom and gloom on ONE GAME at Pittsburgh, plus two other games that happened 8 years and 20 years ago. Makes no sense, bro.

We're winning this game. I would be surprised if it's not by double digits.

And by the way, Case Keenum already has taken strides forward. Or did you just stop watching after the Pittsburgh game?

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3) why you mad tho


Because I'm on a Vikings fan board as a fan of the Vikings and I'm entitled to be a homer here. I didn't go to a Falcons fan board and say anything about Case Keenum. I didn't go to a Saints fan board and say anything about Case Keenum. I'm on a Vikings board.

I've been a fan of the Vikings since I can remember. I've watched them blow it in key situations time and time again. I've watched them as underdogs that stomped heavily favored opponents (thinking 1987) until crashing and burning short of the Superbowl to being the heavily favored team that loses to the underdog, often in incredibly improbable ways (1998 comes to mind). So I'm entitled to come on this board as a long suffering fan of this team and dream that this time is going to different, that this QB who basically was thrown on the NFL trash heap and plucked off it by Rick Spielman with a baseline $2 million one-year contract to be the team's 3rd string QB can accomplish what Vikings football royalty like Joe Kapp, Fran Tarkenton, Randal Cunningham, Daunte Culpepper and yes, Brett Favre, could not accomplish. Yeah, here I'm entitled to that dream, and I don't need, nor appreciate, fans from teams the Vikings aren't even playing to come on here and "lol" at it. In fact, nobody here needs that, wants that, or should have to put up with that.

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That is a good point there Raptorman and it brings me some optimistic vibes with both rushing attacks. Waynes can cover Ginn every day of the week, but can we stop the run too? That is the question.


Why couldn't we?

Vikes can man up on the Saints WRs. They've shut down more complete passing attacks and better WRs than what the Saints bring to the table.

Vikes front seven finished #1 against the run this year. Saints have had a good run game, sure, but if there is a defense that can slow it down significantly, it's this one. Saint RBs have also been prolific pass catchers this year, but guess what? Vikes have LBs that match up well against that kind of offensive threat in Barr and Kendricks, both of whom are capable of getting into coverage and making plays against the pass. Brees is going to find very tight windows in which to throw it. If the Vikes can get substantial pressure with 4 rushers, the Saints should be toast on offense, and then it just comes down to the Vikings offense getting it done on their side of the ball.

One thing has always been, is, and will be true - great defense trumps great offense, all other things equal. This is magnified when the great defense has home field and the great offense has to deal with crowd noise.

The x-factor in this game is Drew Brees. You are right to point that out. He's the x-factor not because he's the better QB per se, but because the guy has shown he can elevate his game in pressure situations. You are correct to say that Keenum hasn't done that as a pro yet, but its not because he can't or won't. He hasn't done it because he's never had the chance. He'll get his chance this Sunday.


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Hi All, Saints fan here from the deep south, where it's a balmy 50 deg. I promise I'm not here to troll, though I think the OP may be. Just wanted to read fan thoughts and give you the opponents take...

I would've much preferred to play the Iggles in the Divisional round, and I think the Failcons will will come away with that win. That's not good for the Vikes or the Saints because I think they are the most dangerous 6th seed we've seen in a while.

I think we all agree that the Vikes have a serviceable offense and a very good defense, just as the Saints have a serviceable defense and a very good offense. The best thing the Vikes can do is mimic the Panthers strategy in the wild card round - stack the box and take the running game away. This didn't work well for the Panthers because Brees lit them up, but the Panthers don't have Rhoads and two outstanding safeties. If the Vikes secondary can effectively man-up on Saints receivers, then the Vikes front seven will give Brees trouble. I've seen a lot of comments here about Brees being immobile, but I would disagree. He's no Russell Wilson, but he has an excellent awareness of closing pressure and is athletic enough to scramble. He's also very good at throwing on the run. Still, if the run game is slowed and the Vikes get pressure, Brees will have trouble.

The other side of the ball is a big question mark for me. The Saints D is an opportunistic, bend-but-don't-break group with a couple of elite playmakers - Cam Jordan and Marshon Lattimore. Lattimore will probably post up on Thielen all day, and that should be a good matchup. However, other than our rook free safety, Williams, the rest of the Saints defensive backfield is generally weak. They can all make plays, but they can all get burnt as well. The Saints have been middling against the run, but I'm not overly concerned with Murray. I think McKinnon will pose a bigger problem.

So, elite offense (#2) meets elite defense (#1). It will be a great battle, but the game comes down to a middling Vikes offense (#11) versus a middling Saints defense (#17). Saints 28, Vikes 24

Wish I could make it up there to your fine city. Good luck and have fun, and try to be hospitable to the handful of Saints fans you encounter. I promise if you ever make it down to the Superdome, you'll be welcomed and shown a good time. The only battles should be on the field.

Nice take.

Unfortunately for you, there's no way your team is putting up 28 against the Vikings at US Bank Stadium.

No team has scored more than the 19 your team put up against the Vikes in our building on opening night. And as we all know, you guys had just four field goals for 12 points until garbage time. Only four teams ALL SEASON scored as many as 20 against the Vikings, road or home. Only two teams, Washington and Carolina, put up 28 or more at any point this season. If you put up 28 against us at home, I'll be absolutely shocked. This defense is the best you'll face all year.

And you should be concerned with Murray. He rushed for 745 yards over his last 10 games, coming on strong the further he was removed from offseason ankle surgery. He's playing at a very high level right now, and the Vikings are actually a better rushing team statistically with Murray and McKinnon than they were with Dalvin Cook, who was leading the league in rushing when he went down.

This is not a "middling" offense. Statistically, it's not where yours is, but it's easily top-third. It was top-10 for most of the season, dipping a bit the last two games in games the Vikings took early leads and milked clock.

I believe we're the better team, and we're at home. I'm not saying we can't lose, but I'd put our chances to win at 70%.

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