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Author:  84BreaksAnkles [ Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:50 am ]
Post subject:  Zimmer Effect

Well, boys...

Mike Zimmer has done it..He has completed the unthinkable.
He took the worst Defense in the NFL (literally) from 2013...
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_GAME_AVG&tabSeq=2&season=2013&role=OPP&Submit=Go&archive=true&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&qualified=false
(32nd in scoring/ 31st in yards)

To the #1 defense in the NFL.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats? ... fied=false
(1st in scoring/ 1st in yards)

I'm currently researching, but so far, this seems to be one of the most remarkable turnarounds in NFL history.
I don't think enough can be said of the job he has done...
We've played some of the NFL's top offenses this season (unlike Jacksonville).
Let's take a moment to realize, reflect, gawk, and admire- just how truly special this unit is.

My only gripe is Sendejo. I admire his toughness, and he does make some plays.. but this guy is literally just a torpedo who tattoos guys (including our own - see Xavier Rhodes 2016) and refuses to (or can't?) wrap up. But he does lay the wood. If only he could learn to wrap.. :govikes:

Author:  PurpleMustReign [ Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Zimmer Effect

I disagree on Sendejo. He has improved his game exponentially since he started and he plays really well with Smith. He's also not bad at covering and he's really good in run defense. There are better safeties, but he ci pigments Smith very well.

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Author:  Maelstrom88 [ Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Zimmer Effect

I love watching Zimmer's defense. Very exciting with all the exotic pressure and press corners. I think Wayne's is more of a liability than Sendejo though. Hopefully he keeps improving but nevertheless I think they definitely have the best defensive unit in football at the moment. Here's to hoping defense wins championships holds up this year.

Author:  Boon [ Mon Dec 25, 2017 5:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Zimmer Effect

I honestly think sendejo is completely overrated by way too many people. Every once in a blue he makes a splash play but he misses way too many tackles and is constantly out of position

Author:  Husker Vike [ Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Zimmer Effect

I think Sendejo has improved immensely, Waynes plays the run well ,but needs to improve in coverage,Anthony Harris has played well when called upon.

Author:  John_Viveiros [ Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Zimmer Effect

Whenever I watch other (non-Vikings) games, I always am shocked to see how many missed tackles and blown coverages there are. I watch games like today's Oakland-Philly game, and I'll always be initially surprised when the team I want to win (Oakland in this case) doesn't play like a Mike Zimmer defense, because I'm so accustomed to seeing great defensive fundamentals.

Author:  J. Kapp 11 [ Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Zimmer Effect

Boon wrote:
I honestly think sendejo is completely overrated by way too many people. Every once in a blue he makes a splash play but he misses way too many tackles and is constantly out of position

And I would tell you there isn't an analyst in football who would agree with you, especially the out of position part. Many of them go out of their way to praise him for his positioning and awareness.

Andrew Sendejo has improved his game immensely. He's not somebody who stands out the way Harry Smith does, but he's a guy the Vikings really miss when he's out.

Author:  84BreaksAnkles [ Mon Dec 25, 2017 6:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Zimmer Effect

J. Kapp 11 wrote:
And I would tell you there isn't an analyst in football who would agree with you, especially the out of position part. Many of them go out of their way to praise him for his positioning and awareness.

Andrew Sendejo has improved his game immensely. He's not somebody who stands out the way Harry Smith does, but he's a guy the Vikings really miss when he's out.

False.

1) No analysts know who Sendejo is, let alone talk about him.

2) The problem with Sendejo isn't positioning. Its missing tackles and wrapping up. He has the most missed tackles on our team, and I have the GIFs to prove it.
More often than not, when you watch Sendejo tackle, his arms are down at his sides, and he plows into the guy at 20 mph with his shoulder. Effective at times, but when hes the first responder, guys usually bounce off of it.

3) I don't think we missed him that much when he was out. Anthony Harris won us a game with a FF.

I mean I mostly like Sendejo's game, I'm specifically referring to his tackling technique. Which is wily. Its fun watching him tattoo guys, but its a simple thing to wrap a guy up.

Author:  PurpleMustReign [ Mon Dec 25, 2017 7:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Zimmer Effect

Gifs to prove it, lol. That's a new one.

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Author:  J. Kapp 11 [ Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Zimmer Effect

84BreaksAnkles wrote:
J. Kapp 11 wrote:
And I would tell you there isn't an analyst in football who would agree with you, especially the out of position part. Many of them go out of their way to praise him for his positioning and awareness.

Andrew Sendejo has improved his game immensely. He's not somebody who stands out the way Harry Smith does, but he's a guy the Vikings really miss when he's out.

False.

1) No analysts know who Sendejo is, let alone talk about him.

2) The problem with Sendejo isn't positioning. Its missing tackles and wrapping up. He has the most missed tackles on our team, and I have the GIFs to prove it.
More often than not, when you watch Sendejo tackle, his arms are down at his sides, and he plows into the guy at 20 mph with his shoulder. Effective at times, but when hes the first responder, guys usually bounce off of it.

3) I don't think we missed him that much when he was out. Anthony Harris won us a game with a FF.

I mean I mostly like Sendejo's game, I'm specifically referring to his tackling technique. Which is wily. Its fun watching him tattoo guys, but its a simple thing to wrap a guy up.

You apparently don't watch much football analysis. Because you're dead wrong about the analysts. Almost every one who has spoken of Sendejo this year has liked his game, specifically his positioning.

Speaking of ... you actually said he's constantly out of position in your earlier post. It's OK to be wrong, but don't say you didn't say something you actually said.

And if missed tackles is a problem, why is he second on the team in tackles?

Andrew Sendejo being an issue on defense is news from, like, 2015.

I'm done arguing about this. You're pretty much on an island here. And by the way, your "GIFs to prove it" comment is ... never mind. Just, wow.

Author:  PurpleMustReign [ Mon Dec 25, 2017 11:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Zimmer Effect

I will say this... As far as what we have now, I can't think of even a slight weakness jn this defense. Maybe backup Safety, but Harris is pretty good. Maybe DL depth? We could conceivably upgrade a position or two, but compared to where they were a few years ago, I'll roll with this defense for the next five years easy.

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Author:  Raz [ Mon Dec 25, 2017 11:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Zimmer Effect

Plus 1 finally can just draft best available player and for depth never know what you will get out of the late rounds . Hopefully coming from the 32 pick :govikes:

Author:  J. Kapp 11 [ Mon Dec 25, 2017 11:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Zimmer Effect

PurpleMustReign wrote:
I will say this... As far as what we have now, I can't think of even a slight weakness jn this defense. Maybe backup Safety, but Harris is pretty good. Maybe DL depth? We could conceivably upgrade a position or two, but compared to where they were a few years ago, I'll roll with this defense for the next five years easy.

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Honestly, even DL depth isn't bad. We're talking Robison, Stephen, Weatherly, Jaleel Johnson ... these are pretty good players.

I'm a little less sure of our linebacker depth. Brothers, Lamur and Wilson rarely play outside of special teams, and Gedeon is somewhat limited, especially in the passing game. But it's far from a concern.

I love our defense. I love our team.

Author:  84BreaksAnkles [ Mon Dec 25, 2017 11:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Zimmer Effect

J. Kapp 11 wrote:
You apparently don't watch much football analysis. Because you're dead wrong about the analysts. Almost every one who has spoken of Sendejo this year has liked his game, specifically his positioning.

Speaking of ... you actually said he's constantly out of position in your earlier post. It's OK to be wrong, but don't say you didn't say something you actually said.

And if missed tackles is a problem, why is he second on the team in tackles?

Andrew Sendejo being an issue on defense is news from, like, 2015.

I'm done arguing about this. You're pretty much on an island here. And by the way, your "GIFs to prove it" comment is ... never mind. Just, wow.


Your obviously just trying to pick a fight. Please show me the quote where I said ANYTHING critical of Sendejo's positioning.. you can't just make #### up and use it for the basis of your argument. I never once said anything about his positioning. Now it's clear you misread someone else's post and attributed it to me, but that's ok. Just don't be so strong in your convictions if they are false.

So the evidence you have presented, is that the "analysts" praise his positioning.. big whoop, hope you don't trust them for all your opinions.....
If you actually read my post you would realize that I only had one specific gripe about sendejo, like I stated, I actually like most of his game. But you are lacking in your reading comprehension skills. Also, I don't understand the eagerness to get in some argument about something that misses the point of my post.

And what is so wrong with having 20+ GIFs of him missing torpedo tackles to illustrate my point?
I think YOU are the wrong one on this one, Kapp.

Author:  dead_poet [ Mon Dec 25, 2017 11:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Zimmer Effect

How about this:

Andrew Sendejo has grown as a safety.

Andrew Sendejo still has flaws in his game.

FWIW, that's my assessment. He's come a long ways but he still has a tendency to turn into the human missile with arms that like to flex more than wrap. I've also been pleased by Harris' play. He comes in and you really don't hear much from him (which is a good thing). I like Sendejo more in run defense, and Harris' pass defense, but they're close. To me that's a signal of excellent coaching.

Author:  84BreaksAnkles [ Mon Dec 25, 2017 11:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Zimmer Effect

dead_poet wrote:
How about this:

Andrew Sendejo has grown as a safety.

Andrew Sendejo still has flaws in his game.

FWIW, that's my assessment. He's come a long ways but he still has a tendency to turn into the human missile with arms that like to flex more than wrap. I've also been pleased by Harris' play. He comes in and you really don't hear much from him (which is a good thing). I like Sendejo more in run defense, and Harris' pass defense, but they're close. To me that's a signal of excellent coaching.

Couldn't agree more

Author:  PurpleMustReign [ Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Zimmer Effect

I think Kapp got two different posters confused.

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Author:  J. Kapp 11 [ Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Zimmer Effect

84BreaksAnkles wrote:
J. Kapp 11 wrote:
You apparently don't watch much football analysis. Because you're dead wrong about the analysts. Almost every one who has spoken of Sendejo this year has liked his game, specifically his positioning.

Speaking of ... you actually said he's constantly out of position in your earlier post. It's OK to be wrong, but don't say you didn't say something you actually said.

And if missed tackles is a problem, why is he second on the team in tackles?

Andrew Sendejo being an issue on defense is news from, like, 2015.

I'm done arguing about this. You're pretty much on an island here. And by the way, your "GIFs to prove it" comment is ... never mind. Just, wow.


Your obviously just trying to pick a fight. Please show me the quote where I said ANYTHING critical of Sendejo's positioning.. you can't just make #### up and use it for the basis of your argument. I never once said anything about his positioning. Now it's clear you misread someone else's post and attributed it to me, but that's ok. Just don't be so strong in your convictions if they are false.

So the evidence you have presented, is that the "analysts" praise his positioning.. big whoop, hope you don't trust them for all your opinions.....
If you actually read my post you would realize that I only had one specific gripe about sendejo, like I stated, I actually like most of his game. But you are lacking in your reading comprehension skills. Also, I don't understand the eagerness to get in some argument about something that misses the point of my post.

And what is so wrong with having 20+ GIFs of him missing torpedo tackles to illustrate my point?
I think YOU are the wrong one on this one, Kapp.

First of all, I made a mistake. Apology extended. It wasn't you who talked about Sendejo's positioning. My bad on that one.

When I say analysts like his game, here's what I mean. If one analyst says something positive about his game, nobody cares, including me. But when it's a consensus, that means something. Do I have a library of video featuring analysts praising Sendejo's game? No. But I routinely watch so much football and so much football analysis it would make your head spin. I'm pretty confident in what I've heard, and what I've heard is a consensus that he's a good player. Not an all-pro, but a solid, solid player.

And sorry dude, but having 20+ GIFs of a player making mistakes seems a little obsessive to me. I mean, you say you like his game, but then you collect GIFs that trash the way he plays? I don't get it.

Finally, I'll be as strong as I'd like on my convictions. That's my business, not yours. Yes, I was wrong about the attribution regarding Sendejo's positioning, and I've apologized for that. But that doesn't negate my right to have an opinion. Can we agree on that?

Author:  84BreaksAnkles [ Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Zimmer Effect

We can. And thanks for the apology. I apologize as well.

Author:  S197 [ Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Zimmer Effect

We should probably look at drafting a 3-tech DT. Tom Johnson is getting up in years. Jaleel may be able to take over but it's tough to say right now and he'll need a backup anyway. Honestly, the most challenging thing is going to be retaining as much talent as possible. We don't have the cap space to pay everyone so some tough decisions will need to be made. All the more reason this needs to be the year we make it to the big dance.

Author:  VikingLord [ Tue Dec 26, 2017 3:12 pm ]
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84BreaksAnkles wrote:
My only gripe is Sendejo. I admire his toughness, and he does make some plays.. but this guy is literally just a torpedo who tattoos guys (including our own - see Xavier Rhodes 2016) and refuses to (or can't?) wrap up. But he does lay the wood. If only he could learn to wrap.. :govikes:


If Zimmer didn't trust him, he wouldn't be out there. He's come a long way as a player.

With that said, he has upside as you point out. Learning to wrap in addition to laying the big hit would make him an even more complete player, and hopefully it is something he'll work on.

Author:  jackal [ Tue Dec 26, 2017 3:30 pm ]
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He has improved and needs to tackle better...

He still does that kamikaze throw himself at other players

Author:  84BreaksAnkles [ Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:10 pm ]
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S197 wrote:
We should probably look at drafting a 3-tech DT. Tom Johnson is getting up in years. Jaleel may be able to take over but it's tough to say right now and he'll need a backup anyway. Honestly, the most challenging thing is going to be retaining as much talent as possible. We don't have the cap space to pay everyone so some tough decisions will need to be made. All the more reason this needs to be the year we make it to the big dance.


Im not sure thats true. We dont have to pay a QB big money.. and we've already locked down most of our guys.
I thought spielman got everson and xavier done early so we could have a lot of space the next few years. Am I mistaken on this?

Author:  DK Sweets [ Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Zimmer Effect

84BreaksAnkles wrote:
S197 wrote:
We should probably look at drafting a 3-tech DT. Tom Johnson is getting up in years. Jaleel may be able to take over but it's tough to say right now and he'll need a backup anyway. Honestly, the most challenging thing is going to be retaining as much talent as possible. We don't have the cap space to pay everyone so some tough decisions will need to be made. All the more reason this needs to be the year we make it to the big dance.


Im not sure thats true. We dont have to pay a QB big money.. and we've already locked down most of our guys.
I thought spielman got everson and xavier done early so we could have a lot of space the next few years. Am I mistaken on this?
Next year we're set to have 8th most in the league, around 55 mil if I remember correctly. Next year is manageable, we're concerned about the year after with Waynes, Kendrick, Diggs, and Hunter coming up.

Author:  Maelstrom88 [ Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Zimmer Effect

DK Sweets wrote:
84BreaksAnkles wrote:
S197 wrote:
We should probably look at drafting a 3-tech DT. Tom Johnson is getting up in years. Jaleel may be able to take over but it's tough to say right now and he'll need a backup anyway. Honestly, the most challenging thing is going to be retaining as much talent as possible. We don't have the cap space to pay everyone so some tough decisions will need to be made. All the more reason this needs to be the year we make it to the big dance.


Im not sure thats true. We dont have to pay a QB big money.. and we've already locked down most of our guys.
I thought spielman got everson and xavier done early so we could have a lot of space the next few years. Am I mistaken on this?
Next year we're set to have 8th most in the league, around 55 mil if I remember correctly. Next year is manageable, we're concerned about the year after with Waynes, Kendrick, Diggs, and Hunter coming up.



Yeah I would imagine they will try to resign keenum. Out of those guys I'd prioritize Diggs, Hunter, Kendricks, then Waynes as of right now. How about you?

Author:  PurpleMustReign [ Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:49 pm ]
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Kendricks should be first. Then Diggs if he can stay healthy.

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Author:  S197 [ Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Zimmer Effect

Wait, why don't we have to pay big money for a QB? We have absolutely no one under contract next year.

Author:  DK Sweets [ Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:42 pm ]
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S197 wrote:
Wait, why don't we have to pay big money for a QB? We have absolutely no one under contract next year.
We can absolutely choose our QB, I'm just saying Keenum AND Cousins would be a ton of money and I doubt either would be happy with that arrangement.

EDIT: wrong thread, ignore me.

Author:  TeamChaplain [ Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Zimmer Effect

IMO, Zimmer is clearly the coach of the year. It baffles me how the media gives Zim and the team no respect.

Author:  Raptorman [ Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:05 pm ]
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TeamChaplain wrote:
IMO, Zimmer is clearly the coach of the year. It baffles me how the media gives Zim and the team no respect.

You want to know why we get no respect? It's simple. We don't have a superstar on the team to point to. No Brady or Rodgers or Gurley. Go back to the beginning of the year when the Patriots were 2-2. It was all about what was wrong with Brady. But what was wrong was their defense was giving up 32 points a game. The after week 5 when Belicheat threatened his defense to shape up or ship out (and low and behold they go back to 13 ppg on defense) all of a sudden it was "Brady is back to himself". You never heard anything about the defense, o only Brady. It's why Jacksonville get no respect either. No big name to put out there. McKinnon and Murray are the second best RB tandem in the league after Ingrahm and Kamara since Cook went down. When was the last time you heard them mentioned by the talking heads? They have almost as many yards as Freeman and Coleman from ATL, only they did it in 12 games compared to 16.

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