PurpleKoolaid wrote:
If you want to continue this sh!t and say Case is the better QB, fine. I was done with it but i'll say a few more things. !st, WTF are you talking about? He had 6 freaking sack when the Oline stunk. I wasnt talking about before that here. Ponder could have played behind that Oline and he played like a horses as$. Also, Shurmur had been calling great plays up till last week, which helped Case a lot. I dont think they threw more then 2 of the short screen passes to Kyle or the RBs that had worked so well before.
Case had 3 turnovers in one game. I think that matches Teddy's worse game, when he had about 1/2 a second to throw the ball.
I DONT WANT TEDDY PLAYING AS LONG AS CASE IS PLAYING WELL. I dont know how else to tell you that. I want the team to win. I have faith Teddy can get the job done as well as Case, but Im not calling for a switch. Yet.
The receivers have all made better catches this year, then since the Moss and Carter days. With Reid pitching in. AT has bailed Case out and given him a ton of YAC. Thats great, I like the short game and let the receivers try and break it. But you cant deny the catches these receivers are making, with Case just throwing the ball in the general direction sometime. Look at Kyles TD catch last week. And Diggs ball that bounced off him. No reason to throw the ball that high. And if you aernt seeing the balls flotaing on Case occasionally, I dont know what to say. He has been very lucky not to have more INTs. I think we would have won if he could hit Diggs and AT on full run and drop it into their hands instead of them stopping to catch it.
Theres no way the doctors would put Teddy out there if he wasnt ready. He has had a lot more time to recover then others who have with those knee injuries. He's young and will heal fast. But your right, he will always be like Bradford in that hes a QB with a knee injury. The Vikes may have to go after another QB this year fairly early.
Finally, I hope Case plays out the season, and playoffs. That will mean the Vikings are back on track.
First, YOU are the one who's on a campaign to replace Keenum with Teddy. You SAY you want Case playing as long as he's playing well ... it's technically not a lie, but the problem is that you REFUSE to acknowledge when he plays well. If he has a good game, it's Shurmur's playcalling, or his receivers bailing him out, or his offensive line. It's NEVER HIM. If a pass falls incomplete, its "that ball should have been picked off."
Here's a great example of what I'm talking about ... the TD throw to Rudulph. If you're going to use THAT throw as an example of a bad throw, well, you're proving my point. In a pretty mediocre game from Keenum, that was the best throw he made all day. He put it in a tight window between three defenders. I find it unbelievable that you would use that throw as your example.
As for your primary statement regarding Keenum's supposed lack of ability under pressure, when I present you HARD STATISTICAL EVIDENCE of how wrong that statement is, your response is some kind of nonsense about Ponder. Oh, and how I left out Week 14. The only reason I left out Week 14 is because those stats aren't available to non-subscribers yet. But you see it as a conspiracy.
I will also cite another advanced statistic: Turnover-worthy throws. It's an actual stat from PFF. Case Keenum came into Week 14 ranked 5th in the NFL with just 2.1% turnover-worthy throws. And in spite of having 2 interceptions, that number will not likely rise, as PFF will not see the Diggs interception as a turnover-worthy throw (not a good throw, but not turnover-worthy, since Diggs got both hands on it). So I'm sorry, but your "he's very lucky not to have more INTs" statement is purely subjective on your part. Once again, you have no data to back up your hard-and-fast opinions.
In summary: When it comes to Keenum's supposed lack of ability under pressure and penchant for turnovers, YOU ARE WRONG. The statistics prove it.
Now let me be clear. This was obviously not Case's best game. The first interception was really bad. The second one was primarily his fault ... deliver that ball on the money, and Diggs doesn't have the chance to let it doink off his head. A better throw to Diggs at the pylon results in a TD. It wasn't a great game by any stretch. That being said, Cris Carter put it best: If you didn't attach a name to the stat line or the game film, if it were any other starting quarterback, nobody would be asking whether it's time to replace him. In spite of everything that happened, this game was tied at the 2-minute warning, and a lot of that was due to the play of Case Keenum.
As for Teddy, I never said he'd be hobbling around like old man Bradford. I simply said that if the O-line is banged up and leaking, that's not the time I'd want Teddy in there, GIVEN THAT HE'S NEVER ACTUALLY TAKEN A HIT SINCE COMING BACK. You say, "They wouldn't put him out there if he wasn't ready." That's fine, but it seems to me that the time to test that readiness isn't under the worst of conditions. I will concede, however, that is purely my opinion, no more valid than yours.
If you want me to stop arguing with you about this, then stop calling Keenum lucky and give hime some credit. Or give me some data to prove your points.