Re: WEEK 13: Minnesota Vikings @ Atlanta Falcons Discussion
Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:55 pm
So much for the "Red Hot" Atlanta Falcons...............PurpleKoolaid wrote: LOL
We get no respect.
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So much for the "Red Hot" Atlanta Falcons...............PurpleKoolaid wrote: LOL
We get no respect.
So much for the "Red Hot" Atlanta Falcons...............[/quote]Raptorman wrote: LOL
We get no respect.
Everybody is red hot BEFORE they play us.808vikingsfan wrote:So much for the "Red Hot" Atlanta Falcons...............
Charles Davis never gives the Vikings any credit. He did the same thing when we played the Redskins, and the same thing when we played Rams. In fact, the question with him against the Rams was never whether the Vikings were going win. It wasn't even whether the Rams were going to win. It was HOW the Rams were going to win.mansquatch wrote:Yesterday during the game the announcers didn't realize the Vikings were winning until the last 2 minutes of the game. It was a total Julio Jones slobber fest until Adam Thielen daggered the Falcon with that 21 yard catch. It was ridiculous. Hey you know what, you just called a game with the #1 seed in the NFC, but they weren't wearing red and black. Idiots.
You know who isn't excited about the Vikings? Cam Newton. His body language at the end of that game on Sunday was awful. Wait until we show up.
This is what I was somewhat alluding to in the other thread. We don't have a superstar on this team now that Peterson is gone. We have a pretty complete team but people want to talk about the superstar's, not a journeyman QB or an UDFA WR. Their turnaround actually make great stories but that's simply not what the media is focused on.VikingLord wrote:For what it's worth, if I were a national commentator and I looked at the Vikings starting QB and some of the names on the offensive side of the ball, I'd probably discount them too. That's through no fault of their own or a reflection on their performance or ability to perform - it's more about name recognition and, to some extent, physical attributes and where they were drafted, or not drafted. I mean, everyone knows Matt Ryan and Julio Jones. They are well-established names who were drafted high and have had a lot of success as pros. People expect them to perform well. In the case of guys like Keenum and Thielen, I think there is going to be a tendency to believe that yeah, these guys have done some amazing things this year, but they will come back to earth. After all, if they were really this good or could be this good consistently, someone would have noticed them and drafted these guys. If Case Keenum were really this special and capable of playing at this high level, he'd have gotten a bigger offer than the Vikings gave him, no way would he have gone to any team as the 3rd string QB in a QB-starved league, and no way would a team that had him on the roster have even let him go. I mean, when a QB is on a roster he's getting snaps in practice and can show what he's capable of, yet Keenum went through that process with two different teams and neither found a way to keep him. So it's just disbelief, really, that whatever magic pixie dust the Vikings have found to sprinkle on these guys is going to last.
It's actually not an unreasonable perspective, and to be honest, even if the Vikings win out from here on out, it won't change, at least not this season. If they win the #1 seed, every team they could face in the playoffs is going to be the one that has the better name recognition and the more established track record and should win. Every single one, and every time the Vikings come out on top it will be more about what their opponents did wrong than what the Vikings did right.
And you know what - that is fine by me because it takes away all expectation and all pressure. They can go out and just play their game and if they fall short, well, that's what everybody expected to happen sooner or later anyway. In the meantime, they can just keep exceeding expectations and winning. I hope if the Vikings do make it to the Superbowl this year they are huge underdogs and all the pundits talk about how Brady/Big Ben is going to eat them alive.
The issue I have is we have done just as much as everyone else and with the sole exception of the Eagles, done it better, at least in 2017.S197 wrote: This is what I was somewhat alluding to in the other thread. We don't have a superstar on this team now that Peterson is gone. We have a pretty complete team but people want to talk about the superstar's, not a journeyman QB or an UDFA WR. Their turnaround actually make great stories but that's simply not what the media is focused on.
And Zimmer and some of the players are right, they haven't done anything. Yet. Wrap up the division, get a bye, get home field. All those are still not locked in. Yes, they're 90% or something like that to get a bye but lets not forget we were 90% to make the playoffs last year after the initial run. Not trying to pee in anyone's cheerio's or anything, I'm just saying the Vikings will get respect if/when they make it and perform well in the post-season.
I think it's a fair gripe. Unfortunately the media wants to focus on the stars and in the NFL that's almost always the QB. The Eagles and Rams don't have the resume of some of the other teams that are being hyped but having the #1 and #2 picked QB's in the draft and that helps. To me, the resurgence of Keenum and the play of Thielen would make great stories but it just doesn't seem like the media feels the same way. We are quickly approaching a point where the media can't ignore this team so as long as they do what they do, the respect will come.mansquatch wrote: The issue I have is we have done just as much as everyone else and with the sole exception of the Eagles, done it better, at least in 2017.
The difference, though, is that the Vikings are actually explosive on offense. Jacksonville, on the other hand, has Blake Bortles. Yes, they have Leonard Fournette, but he's controllable. And besides, 10 years of AP gave us a pretty clear picture of how much a bell-cow running back matters in the modern NFL.S197 wrote:I think it's a fair gripe. Unfortunately the media wants to focus on the stars and in the NFL that's almost always the QB. The Eagles and Rams don't have the resume of some of the other teams that are being hyped but having the #1 and #2 picked QB's in the draft and that helps. To me, the resurgence of Keenum and the play of Thielen would make great stories but it just doesn't seem like the media feels the same way. We are quickly approaching a point where the media can't ignore this team so as long as they do what they do, the respect will come.
I think the Jaguars are the AFC equivalent of the Vikings. Both teams have great defenses but get passed over for "flashier" teams in their conference.
True, the Chargers are on a roll right now. It seems like since the Steelers game, everyone has figured out how to defend KC. Interestingly, three years ago, the Falcons had a very similar hot start to the season before collapsing the second half like the Vikings last year. Although their collapse was not nearly as much attributed to injuries. Then they make the SB last year. Hopefully the Vikings don't have the same choke job if they make the SB but they're on a very similar trajectory.J. Kapp 11 wrote: The difference, though, is that the Vikings are actually explosive on offense. Jacksonville, on the other hand, has Blake Bortles. Yes, they have Leonard Fournette, but he's controllable. And besides, 10 years of AP gave us a pretty clear picture of how much a bell-cow running back matters in the modern NFL.
To me, the story in the AFC is the Chargers, who have come storming back from an 0-4 start (see how I did that? ... storming). Their rise, of course, is coupled with the collapse of the Kansas City Chiefs. Isn't it interesting ... KC started 5-0, and now are in serious danger of missing the playoffs.
That storyline for the Vikings seems like a century ago, but I'm glad our players and coaches haven't forgotten. I love our team's "we've done nothing yet" attitude.
I don't think a tie breaker between Seattle and us relies on division record, rather conference record. I think this bit applies for 1,2,3,4 seeds:S197 wrote: Need to also keep an eye on Seattle. Not just because they beat Philly but if they win out, they have the tiebreaker over us as they would be undefeated in their division. All that is moot of course if the Vikings take care of business but they seem like the most likely spoiler to losing our 1st round bye.
So if we end up tied, we will have lost 2 more games than they will. We would only end in a tie for NFC games if we both lost our final AFC game or both did *not* lose our AFC game. If one of loses the AFC and the other wins and we end up tied, then the one who wins the AFC game will then have lost an extra NFC game and lose the tie breaker then.http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures wrote: http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures
TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM
If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.
Two Clubs
- If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.
- If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.
- Head-to-head, if applicable.
- Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
- Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
- Strength of victory.
- Strength of schedule.
- Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
- Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
- Best net points in conference games.
- Best net points in all games.
- Best net touchdowns in all games.
- Coin toss.