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The Minnesota Vikings (9-2) will travel to face the Atlanta Falcons (7-4) in Week 13, the second of three straight road games for Minnesota. The Vikings own a 4-1 road record, and the Falcons hold a 3-2 mark at home in 2017. The Vikings 9-2 start is the best start through 11 games for Minnesota since starting 10-1 in 2009. The Vikings currently have a seven-game winning streak, tied with New England for the second-best streak in the NFL and also the second-longest regular-season streak since Zimmer become head coach in 2014 (eight games from 12/20/15-10/9/16).

The Vikings offense, which ranks fifth in the NFL in yards per game (375.7), has been led by the consistent play from WR Adam Thielen, who is third in the NFL with 1,005 receiving yards and tied for fourth in the NFL with 70 receptions. QB Case Keenum has stepped in to start nine games, posting a 7-2 record and compiling 14 touchdowns, five interceptions and a career-best 96.2 passer rating. RBs Jerick McKinnon and Latavius Murray have filled the void left by rookie starting RB Dalvin Cook, helping the Vikings rush for 133.9 yards per game since Week 5, sixth in the NFL in that span. In the last five games, Murray has rushed for 399 yards (fourth in the NFL) and five touchdowns (tied for second in the NFL).

The Vikings defense has held opponents to 290.4 yards per game (fifth in the NFL) and 17.7 points per game (fifth in the NFL). The Vikings defense has limited opponents to 75.5 rushing yards per game (second in the NFL) and 3.3 yards per rush (third in the NFL).

DE Everson Griffen is tied for first in the NFL with 12 sacks this season, the third time in his career he has reached double digits (12 in 2014, 10.5 in 2015). LB Eric Kendricks, who has led the Vikings in tackles each of his first two seasons, is leading the Vikings with 97 tackles (coaches’ stats) and has tied his career high with 13 tackles on three separate occasions this season (at PIT, vs BAL, at CLE). S Harrison Smith has snagged a team-leading three interceptions this season, ranking tied for 10th in the NFL.


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VIKINGS-FALCONS CONNECTIONS

Vikings head coach Mike Zimmer was the defensive coordinator for the Falcons for the 2007 season when the Falcons opened at Minnesota that year. Falcons tight ends coach Wade Harman spent the 1997 and ’98 seasons as a coaching assistant with the Vikings. Harman was with the Vikings when they lost to the Falcons in the 1998 NFC Championship Game after going 15-1 in the regular season. Vikings assistant defensive backs coach Jonathan Gannon served as Atlanta’s defensive assistant/quality control coach in 2007. Falcons FB Derrick Coleman entered the NFL as an undrafted free agent with the Minnesota Vikings in 2012. Coleman was released by the Vikings during final cuts prior to the 2012 regular season.


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No respect. The following is a headline from Vikngs.com.

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Expert Picks: Vikings Chances Against Red Hot Atlanta Falcons?

Red hot Atlanta. Okay.........the Falcons have scored 31.6 points per game the last 3 games while giving up 19.3 points per game.

The Vikings have scored 30.6 points per game while giving up 20 points per game the last 3 games. I guess the 1 point differential makes a team "Red" hot as opposed to just being hot. :D

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No respect. The following is a headline from Vikngs.com.

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Expert Picks: Vikings Chances Against Red Hot Atlanta Falcons?

Red hot Atlanta. Okay.........the Falcons have scored 31.6 points per game the last 3 games while giving up 19.3 points per game.

The Vikings have scored 30.6 points per game while giving up 20 points per game the last 3 games. I guess the 1 point differential makes a team "Red" hot as opposed to just being hot. :D


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No respect. The following is a headline from Vikngs.com.

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Expert Picks: Vikings Chances Against Red Hot Atlanta Falcons?

Red hot Atlanta. Okay.........the Falcons have scored 31.6 points per game the last 3 games while giving up 19.3 points per game.

The Vikings have scored 30.6 points per game while giving up 20 points per game the last 3 games. I guess the 1 point differential makes a team "Red" hot as opposed to just being hot. :D


Not to mention the Vikings are on a 7 game winning streak. Last time I checked, 7 is greater than 3.

I don't mind though. Like Keenum this season, I think the Vikings play better as the underdog.

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No respect. The following is a headline from Vikngs.com.

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Expert Picks: Vikings Chances Against Red Hot Atlanta Falcons?

Red hot Atlanta. Okay.........the Falcons have scored 31.6 points per game the last 3 games while giving up 19.3 points per game.

The Vikings have scored 30.6 points per game while giving up 20 points per game the last 3 games. I guess the 1 point differential makes a team "Red" hot as opposed to just being hot. :D

The article is worse.

Every organization has more "experts" picking Atlanta than the Vikings.

And here's the best one. Donovan McNabb apparently has a radio show now, and his top 5 are 5. New Orleans, 4. Los Angeles Rams, 3. Pittsburgh, 2. New England, 1. Philadelphia. He doesn't even have the Vikings in the Top 5 ... and he has the Rams and Saints, even though we beat them both!

This will all make 10-2 that much sweeter.

Then we can go on to everyone picking Carolina to beat us.

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The Eagles and Patriots are the only teams I think are better then us. But not by a lot. And I'm guessing if we get to the big game, we will have to beat both to be the champs.


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The Eagles and Patriots are the only teams I think are better then us. But not by a lot. And I'm guessing if we get to the big game, we will have to beat both to be the champs.

By TMQ rankings, the Vikings have a better record in authentic games (games against teams that actually are good and have a chance to beat you) than either of those two teams.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/tuesday-m ... le/2010627

Philly has played a pretty easy schedule. We'll see what they are made of in the next few weeks. As we'll also have a better idea about what the Vikings are made of.


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The Eagles havent played many easier teams then the Vikes. I saw the stats a few weeks ago, wish I remembered where. But its not like all the teams the Eagles beat were under .500% and all the teams the Vikings have played are above that. Its fairly close. Its kinda like this Falcons game. We can beat them, and maybe should beat them, but just because they lost a a couple more games this year doesnt mean jack. We almost blew a huge lead against the Lions, who aren't that good. We darn near laid an egg that second half.


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The Eagles havent played many easier teams then the Vikes. I saw the stats a few weeks ago, wish I remembered where. But its not like all the teams the Eagles beat were under .500% and all the teams the Vikings have played are above that. Its fairly close. Its kinda like this Falcons game. We can beat them, and maybe should beat them, but just because they lost a a couple more games this year doesnt mean jack. We almost blew a huge lead against the Lions, who aren't that good. We darn near laid an egg that second half.

Well lets see. The Eagles have played two teams who are currently above .500. The Chiefs and the Panthers. They lost one of them. The Vikings have played 6 teams that are currently above .500 and are 4-2 in those games. But yeah, their schedule isn't much easier.

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Falcon's nickel Poole downgraded to questionable with a back injury. Another significant development for Diggs/AT, who spend a lot of time in the slot.

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And here's the best one. Donovan McNabb apparently has a radio show now, and his top 5 are 5.



Donovan McNabb come to Minnesota and threw the ball at the ground more than at his receivers, and now is out of football and has a radio show that no one in Minnesota listens to.

So, most of us probably care little what he thinks.


(BTW - this comment is aimed at Donovan, not at you) :govikes:

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J. Kapp 11 wrote:

And here's the best one. Donovan McNabb apparently has a radio show now, and his top 5 are 5.



Donovan McNabb come to Minnesota and threw the ball at the ground more than at his receivers, and now is out of football and has a radio show that no one in Minnesota listens to.

So, most of us probably care little what he thinks.


(BTW - this comment is aimed at Donovan, not at you) :govikes:


Hah, McNabb got me in trouble on this site, i just couldn't stand him or his bounce passes. One of the many reasons i despise the Eagles.


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The Eagles and Patriots are the only teams I think are better then us. But not by a lot. And I'm guessing if we get to the big game, we will have to beat both to be the champs.


Eagles aren't better than us. Their run game has improved but that secondary is horrendous. They are also playing without their LT. Not to say theiy haven't played well but I'm confident we would beat them after seeing what we did to them last season. We are made to beat that team. Their LBs are athletic but often out of positions and their secondary minus 1 guy isn't anything to write home about.


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Raptorman wrote:
No respect. The following is a headline from Vikngs.com.

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Expert Picks: Vikings Chances Against Red Hot Atlanta Falcons?

Red hot Atlanta. Okay.........the Falcons have scored 31.6 points per game the last 3 games while giving up 19.3 points per game.

The Vikings have scored 30.6 points per game while giving up 20 points per game the last 3 games. I guess the 1 point differential makes a team "Red" hot as opposed to just being hot. :D


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So much for the "Red Hot" Atlanta Falcons...............

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PurpleKoolaid wrote:
[Red hot Atlanta. Okay.........the Falcons have scored 31.6 points per game the last 3 games while giving up 19.3 points per game.

The Vikings have scored 30.6 points per game while giving up 20 points per game the last 3 games. I guess the 1 point differential makes a team "Red" hot as opposed to just being hot. :D


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So much for the "Red Hot" Atlanta Falcons...............[/quote]


I still can't figure that out. The red hot Falcons with 3 wins in a row versus the Minnesota Vikings who won 7 games in a row

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So much for the "Red Hot" Atlanta Falcons...............

Everybody is red hot BEFORE they play us.

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Yesterday during the game the announcers didn't realize the Vikings were winning until the last 2 minutes of the game. It was a total Julio Jones slobber fest until Adam Thielen daggered the Falcon with that 21 yard catch. It was ridiculous. Hey you know what, you just called a game with the #1 seed in the NFC, but they weren't wearing red and black. Idiots.

You know who isn't excited about the Vikings? Cam Newton. His body language at the end of that game on Sunday was awful. Wait until we show up. :slice:

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Yesterday during the game the announcers didn't realize the Vikings were winning until the last 2 minutes of the game. It was a total Julio Jones slobber fest until Adam Thielen daggered the Falcon with that 21 yard catch. It was ridiculous. Hey you know what, you just called a game with the #1 seed in the NFC, but they weren't wearing red and black. Idiots.

You know who isn't excited about the Vikings? Cam Newton. His body language at the end of that game on Sunday was awful. Wait until we show up. :slice:

Charles Davis never gives the Vikings any credit. He did the same thing when we played the Redskins, and the same thing when we played Rams. In fact, the question with him against the Rams was never whether the Vikings were going win. It wasn't even whether the Rams were going to win. It was HOW the Rams were going to win.

And you know what? It's going to continue, probably right on through the Super Bowl, should we make it that far. Chris Collinsworth last night talked about his weekly power rankings, and he talked about the Vikings in this way: "How can you overlook what the Vikings are doing in the NFC North? I think you have to put them in the Top 5, don't you?"

Ya THINK? Thanks for the analysis, Captain Obvious.

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I like Charles Davis. I like Kevin Burkhardt too. The hate for the Vikings isn't limited to Davis though. It's been all announcers. It will be interesting to hear Nantz and Romo this Sunday.

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For what it's worth, if I were a national commentator and I looked at the Vikings starting QB and some of the names on the offensive side of the ball, I'd probably discount them too. That's through no fault of their own or a reflection on their performance or ability to perform - it's more about name recognition and, to some extent, physical attributes and where they were drafted, or not drafted. I mean, everyone knows Matt Ryan and Julio Jones. They are well-established names who were drafted high and have had a lot of success as pros. People expect them to perform well. In the case of guys like Keenum and Thielen, I think there is going to be a tendency to believe that yeah, these guys have done some amazing things this year, but they will come back to earth. After all, if they were really this good or could be this good consistently, someone would have noticed them and drafted these guys. If Case Keenum were really this special and capable of playing at this high level, he'd have gotten a bigger offer than the Vikings gave him, no way would he have gone to any team as the 3rd string QB in a QB-starved league, and no way would a team that had him on the roster have even let him go. I mean, when a QB is on a roster he's getting snaps in practice and can show what he's capable of, yet Keenum went through that process with two different teams and neither found a way to keep him. So it's just disbelief, really, that whatever magic pixie dust the Vikings have found to sprinkle on these guys is going to last.

It's actually not an unreasonable perspective, and to be honest, even if the Vikings win out from here on out, it won't change, at least not this season. If they win the #1 seed, every team they could face in the playoffs is going to be the one that has the better name recognition and the more established track record and should win. Every single one, and every time the Vikings come out on top it will be more about what their opponents did wrong than what the Vikings did right.

And you know what - that is fine by me because it takes away all expectation and all pressure. They can go out and just play their game and if they fall short, well, that's what everybody expected to happen sooner or later anyway. In the meantime, they can just keep exceeding expectations and winning. I hope if the Vikings do make it to the Superbowl this year they are huge underdogs and all the pundits talk about how Brady/Big Ben is going to eat them alive.


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For what it's worth, if I were a national commentator and I looked at the Vikings starting QB and some of the names on the offensive side of the ball, I'd probably discount them too. That's through no fault of their own or a reflection on their performance or ability to perform - it's more about name recognition and, to some extent, physical attributes and where they were drafted, or not drafted. I mean, everyone knows Matt Ryan and Julio Jones. They are well-established names who were drafted high and have had a lot of success as pros. People expect them to perform well. In the case of guys like Keenum and Thielen, I think there is going to be a tendency to believe that yeah, these guys have done some amazing things this year, but they will come back to earth. After all, if they were really this good or could be this good consistently, someone would have noticed them and drafted these guys. If Case Keenum were really this special and capable of playing at this high level, he'd have gotten a bigger offer than the Vikings gave him, no way would he have gone to any team as the 3rd string QB in a QB-starved league, and no way would a team that had him on the roster have even let him go. I mean, when a QB is on a roster he's getting snaps in practice and can show what he's capable of, yet Keenum went through that process with two different teams and neither found a way to keep him. So it's just disbelief, really, that whatever magic pixie dust the Vikings have found to sprinkle on these guys is going to last.

It's actually not an unreasonable perspective, and to be honest, even if the Vikings win out from here on out, it won't change, at least not this season. If they win the #1 seed, every team they could face in the playoffs is going to be the one that has the better name recognition and the more established track record and should win. Every single one, and every time the Vikings come out on top it will be more about what their opponents did wrong than what the Vikings did right.

And you know what - that is fine by me because it takes away all expectation and all pressure. They can go out and just play their game and if they fall short, well, that's what everybody expected to happen sooner or later anyway. In the meantime, they can just keep exceeding expectations and winning. I hope if the Vikings do make it to the Superbowl this year they are huge underdogs and all the pundits talk about how Brady/Big Ben is going to eat them alive.


This is what I was somewhat alluding to in the other thread. We don't have a superstar on this team now that Peterson is gone. We have a pretty complete team but people want to talk about the superstar's, not a journeyman QB or an UDFA WR. Their turnaround actually make great stories but that's simply not what the media is focused on.

And Zimmer and some of the players are right, they haven't done anything. Yet. Wrap up the division, get a bye, get home field. All those are still not locked in. Yes, they're 90% or something like that to get a bye but lets not forget we were 90% to make the playoffs last year after the initial run. Not trying to pee in anyone's cheerio's or anything, I'm just saying the Vikings will get respect if/when they make it and perform well in the post-season.


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I'm not upset that we are not getting media attention, so much as the overall stupidity and inanity of the broadcasters just drives me up a wall. It's like they are trying to be John Madden. You listen to most of those guys talk and for the most part they are just recycling bits that have been done for the past 10-20 years. Look at Aikman as an example. Aikman should have forgotten more about football than any of us would know, yet his comments are almost universally qualitative in nature, as if he some how can divine the attitude of the player. That isn't on any level what I would refer to as "analysis."

You'd think that a guy like Gruden would be better as he was an HC just 10 years ago and even his comments are lame. My guess is the network brass and clinging to an old formula of what they think will work based on what has worked and it created a general stagnation by squashing originality. No risk = no reward = Bland and Boring. This is a big reason why I enjoy Romo as a commentator. He is the first announcer I've heard in probably a decade where I actually learn something new. What a breath of fresh air!

If i had more capital I'd find a way to challenge the networks. They are all old and tired and ripe for some creative destruction.

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For what it's worth, if I were a national commentator and I looked at the Vikings starting QB and some of the names on the offensive side of the ball, I'd probably discount them too. That's through no fault of their own or a reflection on their performance or ability to perform - it's more about name recognition and, to some extent, physical attributes and where they were drafted, or not drafted. I mean, everyone knows Matt Ryan and Julio Jones. They are well-established names who were drafted high and have had a lot of success as pros. People expect them to perform well. In the case of guys like Keenum and Thielen, I think there is going to be a tendency to believe that yeah, these guys have done some amazing things this year, but they will come back to earth. After all, if they were really this good or could be this good consistently, someone would have noticed them and drafted these guys. If Case Keenum were really this special and capable of playing at this high level, he'd have gotten a bigger offer than the Vikings gave him, no way would he have gone to any team as the 3rd string QB in a QB-starved league, and no way would a team that had him on the roster have even let him go. I mean, when a QB is on a roster he's getting snaps in practice and can show what he's capable of, yet Keenum went through that process with two different teams and neither found a way to keep him. So it's just disbelief, really, that whatever magic pixie dust the Vikings have found to sprinkle on these guys is going to last.

It's actually not an unreasonable perspective, and to be honest, even if the Vikings win out from here on out, it won't change, at least not this season. If they win the #1 seed, every team they could face in the playoffs is going to be the one that has the better name recognition and the more established track record and should win. Every single one, and every time the Vikings come out on top it will be more about what their opponents did wrong than what the Vikings did right.

And you know what - that is fine by me because it takes away all expectation and all pressure. They can go out and just play their game and if they fall short, well, that's what everybody expected to happen sooner or later anyway. In the meantime, they can just keep exceeding expectations and winning. I hope if the Vikings do make it to the Superbowl this year they are huge underdogs and all the pundits talk about how Brady/Big Ben is going to eat them alive.


This is what I was somewhat alluding to in the other thread. We don't have a superstar on this team now that Peterson is gone. We have a pretty complete team but people want to talk about the superstar's, not a journeyman QB or an UDFA WR. Their turnaround actually make great stories but that's simply not what the media is focused on.

And Zimmer and some of the players are right, they haven't done anything. Yet. Wrap up the division, get a bye, get home field. All those are still not locked in. Yes, they're 90% or something like that to get a bye but lets not forget we were 90% to make the playoffs last year after the initial run. Not trying to pee in anyone's cheerio's or anything, I'm just saying the Vikings will get respect if/when they make it and perform well in the post-season.


The issue I have is we have done just as much as everyone else and with the sole exception of the Eagles, done it better, at least in 2017.

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For what it's worth, if I were a national commentator and I looked at the Vikings starting QB and some of the names on the offensive side of the ball, I'd probably discount them too. That's through no fault of their own or a reflection on their performance or ability to perform - it's more about name recognition and, to some extent, physical attributes and where they were drafted, or not drafted. I mean, everyone knows Matt Ryan and Julio Jones. They are well-established names who were drafted high and have had a lot of success as pros. People expect them to perform well. In the case of guys like Keenum and Thielen, I think there is going to be a tendency to believe that yeah, these guys have done some amazing things this year, but they will come back to earth. After all, if they were really this good or could be this good consistently, someone would have noticed them and drafted these guys. If Case Keenum were really this special and capable of playing at this high level, he'd have gotten a bigger offer than the Vikings gave him, no way would he have gone to any team as the 3rd string QB in a QB-starved league, and no way would a team that had him on the roster have even let him go. I mean, when a QB is on a roster he's getting snaps in practice and can show what he's capable of, yet Keenum went through that process with two different teams and neither found a way to keep him. So it's just disbelief, really, that whatever magic pixie dust the Vikings have found to sprinkle on these guys is going to last.

It's actually not an unreasonable perspective, and to be honest, even if the Vikings win out from here on out, it won't change, at least not this season. If they win the #1 seed, every team they could face in the playoffs is going to be the one that has the better name recognition and the more established track record and should win. Every single one, and every time the Vikings come out on top it will be more about what their opponents did wrong than what the Vikings did right.

And you know what - that is fine by me because it takes away all expectation and all pressure. They can go out and just play their game and if they fall short, well, that's what everybody expected to happen sooner or later anyway. In the meantime, they can just keep exceeding expectations and winning. I hope if the Vikings do make it to the Superbowl this year they are huge underdogs and all the pundits talk about how Brady/Big Ben is going to eat them alive.


This is what I was somewhat alluding to in the other thread. We don't have a superstar on this team now that Peterson is gone. We have a pretty complete team but people want to talk about the superstar's, not a journeyman QB or an UDFA WR. Their turnaround actually make great stories but that's simply not what the media is focused on.

And Zimmer and some of the players are right, they haven't done anything. Yet. Wrap up the division, get a bye, get home field. All those are still not locked in. Yes, they're 90% or something like that to get a bye but lets not forget we were 90% to make the playoffs last year after the initial run. Not trying to pee in anyone's cheerio's or anything, I'm just saying the Vikings will get respect if/when they make it and perform well in the post-season.


The issue I have is we have done just as much as everyone else and with the sole exception of the Eagles, done it better, at least in 2017.


I think it's a fair gripe. Unfortunately the media wants to focus on the stars and in the NFL that's almost always the QB. The Eagles and Rams don't have the resume of some of the other teams that are being hyped but having the #1 and #2 picked QB's in the draft and that helps. To me, the resurgence of Keenum and the play of Thielen would make great stories but it just doesn't seem like the media feels the same way. We are quickly approaching a point where the media can't ignore this team so as long as they do what they do, the respect will come.

I think the Jaguars are the AFC equivalent of the Vikings. Both teams have great defenses but get passed over for "flashier" teams in their conference.


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I think it's a fair gripe. Unfortunately the media wants to focus on the stars and in the NFL that's almost always the QB. The Eagles and Rams don't have the resume of some of the other teams that are being hyped but having the #1 and #2 picked QB's in the draft and that helps. To me, the resurgence of Keenum and the play of Thielen would make great stories but it just doesn't seem like the media feels the same way. We are quickly approaching a point where the media can't ignore this team so as long as they do what they do, the respect will come.

I think the Jaguars are the AFC equivalent of the Vikings. Both teams have great defenses but get passed over for "flashier" teams in their conference.

The difference, though, is that the Vikings are actually explosive on offense. Jacksonville, on the other hand, has Blake Bortles. Yes, they have Leonard Fournette, but he's controllable. And besides, 10 years of AP gave us a pretty clear picture of how much a bell-cow running back matters in the modern NFL.

To me, the story in the AFC is the Chargers, who have come storming back from an 0-4 start (see how I did that? ... storming). Their rise, of course, is coupled with the collapse of the Kansas City Chiefs. Isn't it interesting ... KC started 5-0, and now are in serious danger of missing the playoffs.

That storyline for the Vikings seems like a century ago, but I'm glad our players and coaches haven't forgotten. I love our team's "we've done nothing yet" attitude.

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S197 wrote:
I think it's a fair gripe. Unfortunately the media wants to focus on the stars and in the NFL that's almost always the QB. The Eagles and Rams don't have the resume of some of the other teams that are being hyped but having the #1 and #2 picked QB's in the draft and that helps. To me, the resurgence of Keenum and the play of Thielen would make great stories but it just doesn't seem like the media feels the same way. We are quickly approaching a point where the media can't ignore this team so as long as they do what they do, the respect will come.

I think the Jaguars are the AFC equivalent of the Vikings. Both teams have great defenses but get passed over for "flashier" teams in their conference.

The difference, though, is that the Vikings are actually explosive on offense. Jacksonville, on the other hand, has Blake Bortles. Yes, they have Leonard Fournette, but he's controllable. And besides, 10 years of AP gave us a pretty clear picture of how much a bell-cow running back matters in the modern NFL.

To me, the story in the AFC is the Chargers, who have come storming back from an 0-4 start (see how I did that? ... storming). Their rise, of course, is coupled with the collapse of the Kansas City Chiefs. Isn't it interesting ... KC started 5-0, and now are in serious danger of missing the playoffs.

That storyline for the Vikings seems like a century ago, but I'm glad our players and coaches haven't forgotten. I love our team's "we've done nothing yet" attitude.


True, the Chargers are on a roll right now. It seems like since the Steelers game, everyone has figured out how to defend KC. Interestingly, three years ago, the Falcons had a very similar hot start to the season before collapsing the second half like the Vikings last year. Although their collapse was not nearly as much attributed to injuries. Then they make the SB last year. Hopefully the Vikings don't have the same choke job if they make the SB but they're on a very similar trajectory.

Need to also keep an eye on Seattle. Not just because they beat Philly but if they win out, they have the tiebreaker over us as they would be undefeated in their division. All that is moot of course if the Vikings take care of business but they seem like the most likely spoiler to losing our 1st round bye.


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Until we win a Super Bowl this will not change
for a lot of experts ...

It will be another almost year or could have been
story ..

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Need to also keep an eye on Seattle. Not just because they beat Philly but if they win out, they have the tiebreaker over us as they would be undefeated in their division. All that is moot of course if the Vikings take care of business but they seem like the most likely spoiler to losing our 1st round bye.


I don't think a tie breaker between Seattle and us relies on division record, rather conference record. I think this bit applies for 1,2,3,4 seeds:

http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures wrote:
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TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM

If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.

  1. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.
  2. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.

Two Clubs

  1. Head-to-head, if applicable.
  2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
  3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
  4. Strength of victory.
  5. Strength of schedule.
  6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
  7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
  8. Best net points in conference games.
  9. Best net points in all games.
  10. Best net touchdowns in all games.
  11. Coin toss.


So if we end up tied, we will have lost 2 more games than they will. We would only end in a tie for NFC games if we both lost our final AFC game or both did *not* lose our AFC game. If one of loses the AFC and the other wins and we end up tied, then the one who wins the AFC game will then have lost an extra NFC game and lose the tie breaker then.

Next up is common opponents-- I counted GB, LAR, ATL, WAS. Our record is current 4-0 and theirs is 1-3 and we have one more against GB and they have 1 more against LAR. No scenario will change that tie breaker, so we only need to worry about the NFC record.

So to not lose a 1st round bye to SEA, we must
1) win no more than 1 game less than them.
2) If we win 2 games less than them, our wins had better be NFC wins (resulting in our having better NFC record outright, or tied winning common opponents), or one of their wins had better have been against JAX next week (resulting in NFC record tie and our winning common opponents).

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