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I must really be the odd man out not being weirded out by seeing his name on the list since Favre (Marino and Tark aside) is my favorite QB ever. :lol:


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It is really getting annoying (not on here all the time, but on some sites and blogs) to hear how GREAT Case is. He is doing well, making good reads, not getting sacked, few INTs (luckily, cause some of his throws are really bad), but his receivers are bailing him out, especially Adam Theilen. Diggs and Kyle are doing the same thing. I guess Shurmur must have said, just throw it close to them, let them do the rest. I have this terrible feeling in my gut Case's luck is going to run out, and Teddy is going to be too rusty because he wont have the time to get ready. Again I hope I am wrong, but I talk to a lot of friends that are so high on Case, and ask them whats he done. How many 11-5 seasons has he had? Why didnt anyone want him starting this year? Hes either one of the luckiest QBs in the world, getting the starting job when he did, or he is a good QB. So many things are in his favor, like a defense Zimmer trusts. I like Case too, but I want to win a SB just about more then anything. And I know how sad that is, but season after season of something keeping that dream away has worn me down.


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It is really getting annoying (not on here all the time, but on some sites and blogs) to hear how GREAT Case is. He is doing well, making good reads, not getting sacked, few INTs (luckily, cause some of his throws are really bad), but his receivers are bailing him out, especially Adam Theilen. Diggs and Kyle are doing the same thing. I guess Shurmur must have said, just throw it close to them, let them do the rest. I have this terrible feeling in my gut Case's luck is going to run out, and Teddy is going to be too rusty because he wont have the time to get ready. Again I hope I am wrong, but I talk to a lot of friends that are so high on Case, and ask them whats he done. How many 11-5 seasons has he had? Why didnt anyone want him starting this year? Hes either one of the luckiest QBs in the world, getting the starting job when he did, or he is a good QB. So many things are in his favor, like a defense Zimmer trusts. I like Case too, but I want to win a SB just about more then anything. And I know how sad that is, but season after season of something keeping that dream away has worn me down.

I'm curious.

If Case Keenum leads the Vikings to the NFC Championship, first team ever to host a Super Bowl, will you still be singing this "if Case implodes and Teddy is rusty" song?

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PurpleKoolaid wrote:
It is really getting annoying (not on here all the time, but on some sites and blogs) to hear how GREAT Case is. He is doing well, making good reads, not getting sacked, few INTs (luckily, cause some of his throws are really bad), but his receivers are bailing him out, especially Adam Theilen. Diggs and Kyle are doing the same thing. I guess Shurmur must have said, just throw it close to them, let them do the rest. I have this terrible feeling in my gut Case's luck is going to run out, and Teddy is going to be too rusty because he wont have the time to get ready. Again I hope I am wrong, but I talk to a lot of friends that are so high on Case, and ask them whats he done. How many 11-5 seasons has he had? Why didnt anyone want him starting this year? Hes either one of the luckiest QBs in the world, getting the starting job when he did, or he is a good QB. So many things are in his favor, like a defense Zimmer trusts. I like Case too, but I want to win a SB just about more then anything. And I know how sad that is, but season after season of something keeping that dream away has worn me down.

I'm curious.

If Case Keenum leads the Vikings to the NFC Championship, first team ever to host a Super Bowl, will you still be singing this "if Case implodes and Teddy is rusty" song?


I'll be as happy as anyone. I hope hes good enough to get us there, because most of the guys he relies are. He got on the team at just the right time. Im just tired of hearing Case is the reason we are here, when I think Teddy could have been playing for us for weeks, getting ready for the big game, with the same record. What song will you be singing if Case goes back to his former self, or AT and the receivers fail to keep bailing him out? The only sin right now is to be a Teddy fan. My point is, I hope Zimmer is right about not trusting his first instincts of letting Teddy play when he was cleared as ready to play.


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I like Case Keenum's attitude, and I don't think you can bench the guy after 7 straight wins, but...

I've just re-watched the season so far - well, I still have the Rams and Lions games left to go. Case is not an accurate QB. The ball goes all over the place when he throws. He moves really well. But he under-throws the long ball a lot! And his passes to crossing receivers are behind the guy a lot!

And then he hits Rudolph for that perfect TD last game while taking the hit. He makes some great throws, but he's not that consistent. I think Thielen and Diggs are top of the league in catching contested balls (those that either team can reach).

I hesitate a bit to share this, knowing it will start a big blowup. So let's be adults. No one has shot your dog or stole your girlfriend. Someone just has a different opinion than you about a person that has a pretty inconsequential effect on your life. Here it is: http://presnapreads.com/2017/11/28/case ... ing-casts/


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I like Case Keenum's attitude, and I don't think you can bench the guy after 7 straight wins, but...

I've just re-watched the season so far - well, I still have the Rams and Lions games left to go. Case is not an accurate QB. The ball goes all over the place when he throws. He moves really well. But he under-throws the long ball a lot! And his passes to crossing receivers are behind the guy a lot!

And then he hits Rudolph for that perfect TD last game while taking the hit. He makes some great throws, but he's not that consistent. I think Thielen and Diggs are top of the league in catching contested balls (those that either team can reach).

I hesitate a bit to share this, knowing it will start a big blowup. So let's be adults. No one has shot your dog or stole your girlfriend. Someone just has a different opinion than you about a person that has a pretty inconsequential effect on your life. Here it is: http://presnapreads.com/2017/11/28/case ... ing-casts/

I appreciate the measured nature of your comments ... same for PurpleKoolaid. I'm not here to start a war.

Let me start by saying that I was one of the first and loudest on this board to criticize Keenum for his ball placement. I don't tend to quote my own posts, but I could show you at least 10 times where I've said the same thing. Here's the deal though ... those criticisms were all early in the season.

Presnapreads has been pretty critical of Case Keenum, in general. I've heard some of their people talk on the radio, too, and they're consistent in their criticism. I guess I would argue a couple of things.

First, 18 interceptable throws out of more than 330 is NOT 45% interceptable. That's an egregious exaggeration that should be retracted.

Beyond that, their highlights cherry-pick not only his worst play, most of which came early in the season, but also his completed throws that could have been better. That's not altogether inaccurate, but it's unbalanced. Case Keenum has made a lot of plays this year that are the exact opposite ... "wow" plays that keep drives alive. This is especially true the past two weeks. None of those plays are shown, so the totality of the article paints Case Keenum as a guy who's simply lucky to play with such a talented offense.

Also, I can pick apart some of their criticism. The two touchdowns they show to Stefon Diggs are a prime example. On the 59-yarder, they say Diggs has comfortably beaten his man, and Keenum's high throw to his back shoulder (which they say is not accurate) lets the defender back into the play. What they're failing to mention is that an "accurate" throw to the outside would have led Diggs straight out of bounds. First down, but not a big play. As it was, Diggs made the catch, stayed inbounds, and cruised to an easy TD. To me, that's the gunslinger mentality more than an inaccuracy issue. On the other play, I will argue all day against criticism that it was a bad throw. Diggs was not past his man, so Keenum put it on Diggs' back shoulder. That's an accurate throw that should be praised, not criticized.

My last point is WHEN these highlight were taken. They're all from at least 4 games ago. My belief is that Keenum is improving as a passer right before our eyes. He's doing it through film study, repetition, and the confidence he's gaining as the starter. His 65-yard TD to Thielen is a prime example. Not the toughest of throws, but before the snap, he diagnosed the blitz, changed Thielen's route, and got the ball where it needed to go. It was a great play on his part, but he gets no credit from Prensnap reads because it doesn't support their point. Not every quarterback would have made that play.

And this is just speculation on my part, but maybe Case would take fewer risks if he didn't have to constantly look over his shoulder. If you notice the past couple of weeks, we've seen Case throw the ball away more than he ever did before. I would argue that's because he doesn't feel as much pressure to make a big play every time. If you're constantly worried about being pulled after a 3-and-out, you're less likely to make the smart, safe play.

Let's be clear. I'm a fan of Teddy Bridgewater. I liked him early in his career, I was encouraged by the progress he was making before his injury, and I'm blown away by his comeback. Heck, If Case Keenum were playing like he was early in the season, I'd be calling for Teddy to start. But Keenum has taken this role and run with it. He's the first guy in the building and the last to leave. He's a leader. He gets the very most out of his abilities, and I would argue that he lifts the play of his teammates because of his leadership, despite his limited ability. Again, I was one of his harshest critics early on, but I admit that he's won me over to the point of being one of his biggest fans now. I mean, why is it with quarterbacks, we say, "We know who he is?" without allowing them the chance to improve? What if we would have said that about Adam Thielen? If Adam can work to make himself into a great player, why can't Case?

As long as Case Keenum keeps winning, I'm supporting him 100% as the starter.

Thanks for listening. Hope my comments were as measured as yours were.

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Case has some accuracy issues, I can agree with that. No QB is perfect though and despite those "could have been" intercepted passes his TD/INT ratio is fine by me. Plus, are we going back and looking at every INT that did get thrown to make sure it was his fault? No tipped balls? No bad routes?

Would Case do as well without the great receiving corps? Almost certainly not, but isn't that the case for most QBs? How does Matt Ryan look without Jones? What about any QB Jerry Rice or Randy Moss played for? The bottom line is that Case is putting the ball where his receivers can get it. I don't care that *if* the receivers were worse they might not catch the passes. They are good enough, the ball is where it needs to be to get caught, and as a result the offense looks better than it has in nearly a decade.

If the team loses with Case in the playoffs then so be it. Barring a complete melt down, Case has earned the 2017 Vikings being his.

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Case has some accuracy issues, I can agree with that. No QB is perfect though and despite those "could have been" intercepted passes his TD/INT ratio is fine by me. Plus, are we going back and looking at every INT that did get thrown to make sure it was his fault? No tipped balls? No bad routes?

Would Case do as well without the great receiving corps? Almost certainly not, but isn't that the case for most QBs? How does Matt Ryan look without Jones? What about any QB Jerry Rice or Randy Moss played for? The bottom line is that Case is putting the ball where his receivers can get it. I don't care that *if* the receivers were worse they might not catch the passes. They are good enough, the ball is where it needs to be to get caught, and as a result the offense looks better than it has in nearly a decade.

If the team loses with Case in the playoffs then so be it. Barring a complete melt down, Case has earned the 2017 Vikings being his.

I listened to Mike Wobschall's Wobcast this morning on the way in to work. They had Pat Elflein as a guest, and his words were particularly important.

Elflein talked about Case Keenum, and he spoke a lot about the things we don't see on film. How he takes command of the huddle. How he never gets down. How he gets the best out of everybody. How he's always so well prepared. Call it "intangible." Call it "moxie." Call it what you will, but he's got something going on right now that makes him better than his talent. The biggest thing Elflein said was that everybody in that huddle would run through fire for the guy. Add THAT to a lot of talent around him, and you've got a championship formula.

Here's what else I'll say. If the guy suddenly reverts to turnover-prone Case Keenum from last year, I'll be at the front of the line calling for Teddy to replace him. This season is too special to be sentimental toward any particular player. And I DO think Teddy needs to play at some point, so that he can knock off some rust in the event Case gets injured in the playoffs. But as of right now, and assuming Case keeps playing the way he has been playing, he's the man as far as I'm concerned.

I won't buy his jersey just yet ... but if he wins us a Super Bowl, I'll buy two.

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I mostly agree with everybody but we got to give credit to our improved OL.


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I mostly agree with everybody but we got to give credit to our improved OL.
On Facebook someone posted a question of who should be rookie of the year for offense. Desaun Watson was on there... And a few others. But has any rookie been more valuable to their team than Pat Elflein?

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Case Keenum today vs. Atlanta:

25-30 for 227 yards and 2 TDs, 0 INT.

120.4 QBR.

His QBR is now 98.4 for the season on 243-360 for 2,703, 16 TDs, 5 INT.

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Case Keenum today vs. Atlanta:

25-30 for 227 yards and 2 TDs, 0 INT.

120.4 QBR.

His QBR is now 98.4 for the season on 243-360 for 2,703, 16 TDs, 5 INT.


From a statistical perspective, you can’t question his accuracy or efficiency. Yes, sometimes he throws a bad ball, and sometimes he misses a read, and sometimes he doesn’t place the ball in just the right spot... but neither does any other top quarterback.

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I really miss Bridgewater's consistent 200 yard or less throwing performances with an average of 1 TD a week (or less) as a career average. Can't want to get him back in the lineup. All you Teddy lovers will get what you want because we won't resign Sam or Case and take Teddy on the cheap (with that said, whatever we do pay him it is too much). I would offer Case a 3 or 4 year extension right now.


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Vikings’ QB Case Keenum went 18-of-18 on passes thrown between the painted field numbers Sunday, the most attempts without an incompletion since it was first tracked in 2006.


Good posts Kapp :rock:

Zimmer already named Keenum starter next week.


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Vikings’ QB Case Keenum went 18-of-18 on passes thrown between the painted field numbers Sunday, the most attempts without an incompletion since it was first tracked in 2006.


Good posts Kapp :rock:

Zimmer already named Keenum starter next week.

I continue to wonder why it's even a question.

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Vikings’ QB Case Keenum went 18-of-18 on passes thrown between the painted field numbers Sunday, the most attempts without an incompletion since it was first tracked in 2006.


Good posts Kapp :rock:

Zimmer already named Keenum starter next week.

I continue to wonder why it's even a question.

Me too. I don't get the love for him. He's a solid leader and a good person, but I doubt he'd do as well as Case Keenum has this season.

The only thing I worry about with Keenum is that he could pull a Nick Foles and have an awesome season and then suck again next season. But that's not a criticism specific to Case, that could happen with any QB who had a breakout year. Dak Prescott for example.


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Why dont you think Teddy couldnt? The 2 QBs are very similar. Except now we actually have an Oline (something Teddy never had), better receivers, and a better defense. And a great OC. Theres no doubt in my mind Teddy could and would excel in that situation. But the object is to win games, and Case is, thats why he is still in.

I think a lot of people outside MN are giving Case his due. Its just the Vikings as a whole, outside of MN, get no respect. It ticks me off. We've won 8 games in a row, and its hardly mentioned. 10 wins already is good enough for more then a little mention, and then talk about the Packers for 30 minutes.


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Why dont you think Teddy couldnt? The 2 QBs are very similar. Except now we actually have an Oline (something Teddy never had), better receivers, and a better defense. And a great OC. Theres no doubt in my mind Teddy could and would excel in that situation. But the object is to win games, and Case is, thats why he is still in.
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Nobody said that Teddy couldn't do it....But until he actually accomplishes it.
It's just speculation.


Pete I think a lot could hinge on what Shurmur does.


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Why dont you think Teddy couldnt? The 2 QBs are very similar. Except now we actually have an Oline (something Teddy never had), better receivers, and a better defense. And a great OC. Theres no doubt in my mind Teddy could and would excel in that situation. But the object is to win games, and Case is, thats why he is still in.
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Nobody said that Teddy couldn't do it....But until he actually accomplishes it.
It's just speculation.


Did you see the post above mine? The one that said he doubted Teddy could do whatever Case has done? I dont like it when people try and discredit Teddy, when he hasnt even had a chance to play after blowing out his knee. No one knows what he would be like under this new system and players we have. Its the first year we have really addressed the Oline in, well, as long as I can remember.

I love what Case is doing. He deserves all the attention. But theres no sense in trying to bring down Teddy at the same time.


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... and then talk about the Packers for 30 minutes.


Yes, but the Packers won this week.

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Vikings’ QB Case Keenum went 18-of-18 on passes thrown between the painted field numbers Sunday, the most attempts without an incompletion since it was first tracked in 2006.


Good posts Kapp :rock:

Zimmer already named Keenum starter next week.

I continue to wonder why it's even a question.

Me too. I don't get the love for him. He's a solid leader and a good person, but I doubt he'd do as well as Case Keenum has this season.

The only thing I worry about with Keenum is that he could pull a Nick Foles and have an awesome season and then suck again next season. But that's not a criticism specific to Case, that could happen with any QB who had a breakout year. Dak Prescott for example.


IMO, one of the reasons Zimmer is keeping Case week to week is to keep the team's mentality week to week. Besides, there really is no advantage to label Keenum as the starter now. Case loves this underdog label and is thriving in it. Who knows where his mental state will go if he's named the starter now. Plus, the door is still open in case Zimmer wants to put Bridgewater in at some point.

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Here's an exercise.

Quarterback A, first 25 NFL starts:
• 74.0 passer rating
• 59.5% completion rate,
• 27 TDs
• 29 INTs
• ANY/A (adjusted net yards per attempt) of 4.92

Quarterback B, first 25 NFL starts:
78.4 passer rating
58.4% completion rate
24 TDs
20 INTs
ANY/A of 5.35

Name each quarterback (Hint: One of them is likely a first-ballot Hall-of-Famer who is still active).

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Here's an exercise.

Quarterback A, first 25 NFL starts:
• 74.0 passer rating
• 59.5% completion rate,
• 27 TDs
• 29 INTs
• ANY/A (adjusted net yards per attempt) of 4.92

Quarterback B, first 25 NFL starts:
78.4 passer rating
58.4% completion rate
24 TDs
20 INTs
ANY/A of 5.35

Name each quarterback (Hint: One of them is likely a first-ballot Hall-of-Famer who is still active).

I'm thinking Drew Brees and Case Keenum, but obviously I can't tell which is which. Isn't Drew a lot taller? Like 10 mm or so?


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J. Kapp 11 wrote:
Here's an exercise.

Quarterback A, first 25 NFL starts:
• 74.0 passer rating
• 59.5% completion rate,
• 27 TDs
• 29 INTs
• ANY/A (adjusted net yards per attempt) of 4.92

Quarterback B, first 25 NFL starts:
78.4 passer rating
58.4% completion rate
24 TDs
20 INTs
ANY/A of 5.35

Name each quarterback (Hint: One of them is likely a first-ballot Hall-of-Famer who is still active).

I'm thinking Drew Brees and Case Keenum, but obviously I can't tell which is which. Isn't Drew a lot taller? Like 10 mm or so?

You got it!

Quarterback A is Drew Brees, while Quarterback B is Case Keenum. Stats courtesy of the Daily Norseman. Here's the fascinating article.

The writer makes some great points. First, that if you chart all of Keenum's most meaningful stats -- passer rating, completion percentage, ESPN QBR -- and then plot the statistical mean, the trend is upward on all of his stats, and that's through his whole career.

He makes many other points, including a rundown of several other quarterbacks who had less than auspicious starts to their careers but ended up being stars. Here's his conclusion.

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Perhaps more than statistics and trendlines, these clips- along with many others- show how Keenum has upped his game as a play-maker. He may not have the cannon to fire a rope 50 yards down the field to a receiver at the back of the endzone for a touchdown, as Favre did memorably in 2009 against the 49ers, but he does have a certain saavy in avoiding sacks, extending plays, and still delivering an accurate throw- all while not making many mistakes with the football. And he’s had some of his best games against the toughest opponents- and on the road. All that suggests not a quarterback playing over his head, but a quarterback coming into his own.


What if this is, as the author states, a situation where Case Keenum is actually coming into his own as a quarterback? Perhaps the Vikings would be wise to not make the same mistake San Diego did with Drew Brees, or Atlanta did with Brett Favre.

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Cliff wrote:
Case has some accuracy issues, I can agree with that. No QB is perfect though and despite those "could have been" intercepted passes his TD/INT ratio is fine by me. Plus, are we going back and looking at every INT that did get thrown to make sure it was his fault? No tipped balls? No bad routes?

Would Case do as well without the great receiving corps? Almost certainly not, but isn't that the case for most QBs? How does Matt Ryan look without Jones? What about any QB Jerry Rice or Randy Moss played for? The bottom line is that Case is putting the ball where his receivers can get it. I don't care that *if* the receivers were worse they might not catch the passes. They are good enough, the ball is where it needs to be to get caught, and as a result the offense looks better than it has in nearly a decade.

If the team loses with Case in the playoffs then so be it. Barring a complete melt down, Case has earned the 2017 Vikings being his.

I listened to Mike Wobschall's Wobcast this morning on the way in to work. They had Pat Elflein as a guest, and his words were particularly important.

Elflein talked about Case Keenum, and he spoke a lot about the things we don't see on film. How he takes command of the huddle. How he never gets down. How he gets the best out of everybody. How he's always so well prepared. Call it "intangible." Call it "moxie." Call it what you will, but he's got something going on right now that makes him better than his talent. The biggest thing Elflein said was that everybody in that huddle would run through fire for the guy. Add THAT to a lot of talent around him, and you've got a championship formula.

Here's what else I'll say. If the guy suddenly reverts to turnover-prone Case Keenum from last year, I'll be at the front of the line calling for Teddy to replace him. This season is too special to be sentimental toward any particular player. And I DO think Teddy needs to play at some point, so that he can knock off some rust in the event Case gets injured in the playoffs. But as of right now, and assuming Case keeps playing the way he has been playing, he's the man as far as I'm concerned.

I won't buy his jersey just yet ... but if he wins us a Super Bowl, I'll buy two.


This. This can't be bought, taught or forced on anyone. This is earned. It's not something you can see on film. It's something that people see in the person in front of them at the time. I would rather have a QB that has this kid of "aura" around him than one that's good whose teammates don'e like. This is an intangible that can't be measured.

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Same thing was said about Teddy. looks like we have 2 charismatic QB's. Maybe 3 if players felt the same way about Sam.


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It is really getting annoying (not on here all the time, but on some sites and blogs) to hear how GREAT Case is. He is doing well, making good reads, not getting sacked, few INTs (luckily, cause some of his throws are really bad), but his receivers are bailing him out, especially Adam Theilen. Diggs and Kyle are doing the same thing. I guess Shurmur must have said, just throw it close to them, let them do the rest. I have this terrible feeling in my gut Case's luck is going to run out, and Teddy is going to be too rusty because he wont have the time to get ready. Again I hope I am wrong, but I talk to a lot of friends that are so high on Case, and ask them whats he done. How many 11-5 seasons has he had? Why didnt anyone want him starting this year? Hes either one of the luckiest QBs in the world, getting the starting job when he did, or he is a good QB. So many things are in his favor, like a defense Zimmer trusts. I like Case too, but I want to win a SB just about more then anything. And I know how sad that is, but season after season of something keeping that dream away has worn me down.


Well, after Bradford injured his knee and cook blew his acl what where your expectations for this season? I for one thought it was over and I'm sure I wasn't alone. However the unbelievable play of our third string qb leaves us with the chance to have our best season in 20 years and we look like we have an honest shot to go deep into the playoffs, for those reasons if you cant understand why people are so big on case you never will. Go look at Case's highlights for 2017 and tell me he didn't drop a lot of passes right in the bread basket of our wrs. To think he's been playing this well just by the philosophy of throw it close to the wrs might not be far off cause it is the qbs job to get the ball close to the wrs, and he's doing better than Bridgewater ever did.

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PurpleKoolaid wrote:
It is really getting annoying (not on here all the time, but on some sites and blogs) to hear how GREAT Case is. He is doing well, making good reads, not getting sacked, few INTs (luckily, cause some of his throws are really bad), but his receivers are bailing him out, especially Adam Theilen. Diggs and Kyle are doing the same thing. I guess Shurmur must have said, just throw it close to them, let them do the rest. I have this terrible feeling in my gut Case's luck is going to run out, and Teddy is going to be too rusty because he wont have the time to get ready. Again I hope I am wrong, but I talk to a lot of friends that are so high on Case, and ask them whats he done. How many 11-5 seasons has he had? Why didnt anyone want him starting this year? Hes either one of the luckiest QBs in the world, getting the starting job when he did, or he is a good QB. So many things are in his favor, like a defense Zimmer trusts. I like Case too, but I want to win a SB just about more then anything. And I know how sad that is, but season after season of something keeping that dream away has worn me down.

You know what annoys me? Every so-called "expert" out there telling me it's simply a matter of time before midnight strikes and Case Keenum turns back into a pumpkin. I'm tired of people assuming that because he was a pedestrian quarterback for the Rams, he'll always be a pedestrian quarterback.

Let me just lay it on the line here. Case Keenum is coming into his own, people. He's not just getting lucky. He's not just riding a hot streak. He's coming into his own as a legitimate quarterback in this league.

I've presented some serious analytical evidence of this evolution in the article I cited above. Try reading it. Have an open mind. Look at the evidence. If you're not convinced, then fine. But I'll say this. I believe we have as good a shot to win that elusive Super Bowl right now as we've had in the past 20 years. And that is with Case Keenum at quarterback, not Teddy Bridgewater.

Heck, let's take it a step further. I believe fully that if Teddy Bridgewater replaces Case Keenum at any point this season, we're finished. We will not win the Super Bowl.

For one reason, there is no way that Teddy can get up to speed with this offense to the degree that this team needs to win a Super Bowl. Not in four weeks. But the biggest reason is that there is absolutely no way that Bridgewater can lift his play to the championship level Keenum has shown us over the past several weeks. As a matter of fact, Teddy has NEVER played at that level -- at any point in his career. Teddy Bridgewater would have to put up a 100+ QBR in 5 of his next 7 games just to equal what Case has done in his career. Now all of a sudden, after nearly two full years of not taking a single snap in a regular-season game, he's going to put up those kinds of numbers? I like Teddy. But the truth is staring us all right in the face. This has the potential to be Kurt Warner all over again, and you want to go back to Trent Green.

Tell you what. You want that Super Bowl? You'd better pray we don't have to switch.

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PurpleKoolaid wrote:
It is really getting annoying (not on here all the time, but on some sites and blogs) to hear how GREAT Case is. He is doing well, making good reads, not getting sacked, few INTs (luckily, cause some of his throws are really bad), but his receivers are bailing him out, especially Adam Theilen. Diggs and Kyle are doing the same thing. I guess Shurmur must have said, just throw it close to them, let them do the rest. I have this terrible feeling in my gut Case's luck is going to run out, and Teddy is going to be too rusty because he wont have the time to get ready. Again I hope I am wrong, but I talk to a lot of friends that are so high on Case, and ask them whats he done. How many 11-5 seasons has he had? Why didnt anyone want him starting this year? Hes either one of the luckiest QBs in the world, getting the starting job when he did, or he is a good QB. So many things are in his favor, like a defense Zimmer trusts. I like Case too, but I want to win a SB just about more then anything. And I know how sad that is, but season after season of something keeping that dream away has worn me down.

You know what annoys me? Every so-called "expert" out there telling me it's simply a matter of time before midnight strikes and Case Keenum turns back into a pumpkin. I'm tired of people assuming that because he was a pedestrian quarterback for the Rams, he'll always be a pedestrian quarterback.

Let me just lay it on the line here. Case Keenum is coming into his own, people. He's not just getting lucky. He's not just riding a hot streak. He's coming into his own as a legitimate quarterback in this league.

I've presented some serious analytical evidence of this evolution in the article I cited above. Try reading it. Have an open mind. Look at the evidence. If you're not convinced, then fine. But I'll say this. I believe we have as good a shot to win that elusive Super Bowl right now as we've had in the past 20 years. And that is with Case Keenum at quarterback, not Teddy Bridgewater.

Heck, let's take it a step further. I believe fully that if Teddy Bridgewater replaces Case Keenum at any point this season, we're finished. We will not win the Super Bowl.

For one reason, there is no way that Teddy can get up to speed with this offense to the degree that this team needs to win a Super Bowl. Not in four weeks. But the biggest reason is that there is absolutely no way that Bridgewater can lift his play to the championship level Keenum has shown us over the past several weeks. As a matter of fact, Teddy has NEVER played at that level -- at any point in his career. Teddy Bridgewater would have to put up a 100+ QBR in 5 of his next 7 games just to equal what Case has done in his career. Now all of a sudden, after nearly two full years of not taking a single snap in a regular-season game, he's going to put up those kinds of numbers? I like Teddy. But the truth is staring us all right in the face. This has the potential to be Kurt Warner all over again, and you want to go back to Trent Green.

Tell you what. You want that Super Bowl? You'd better pray we don't have to switch.


Great speculation, its a free forum. How about a few facts? Like Teddy has NEVER seen this type of an offense, and its not because of Case. Its the new Oline, Pat Shurmur, and the receivers making fantastic plays. Or do you think Teddys Oline, OC, and receivers were better?


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You know, it's possible with the enhanced roster and Shurmer's offense, the talent of Case, Sam and Teddy any one of them could be enjoying the same success as Case is having right now. We saw it with Sam (though briefly). A large number of us saw Teddy's progress before his injury. Now Case comes out of nowhere. It's certainly not a stretch to believe that if Sam's injury had been sustained a few weeks later (or if the Vikings decided NOT to put Teddy on the PUP) that Teddy would've replaced Sam and playing to this level. I mean, before Case's breakout this year he was the owner of a sub-60% completion rate, 24-20 TD-INT ratio and 44.1 QBR over 26 games. Teddy bested him in every category in his 29 total games, sometimes significantly. Before Case was 2017 Case, he was worse than Teddy by any measure you want to choose.

It's certainly possible that Case simply got lucky with the timing.

Frankly, I don't care. Yes, I love Teddy. I also like Case a whole bunch. The Vikings are winning. That's all that matters. Hopefully they keep this up.

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