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We saw in one game why Case treads the line between starter and backup. He can look great but boy when his play takes a turn it happens fast and it seems like he can't get out of the "funk".

I thought Murray looked good ... really for the first time I've noticed him run that well with any consistency.

I thought the defense did a pretty good job. Griffen was obviously missed but we still got some good pressure. My biggest problem was the calling towards the end of the game. About mid-way through the 3rd quarter it seemed like the defense went a bit soft and the offense went into a bit of a shell. It was way too early to take your foot off of the gas and it could have cost the game.

Still, it was a fun game to watch.

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Let's see.

Offense.

QB play. Seems to be doing Okay. Case isn't the greatest but he isn't giving away games. That's good. Most back up are not doing nearly as well as Case.
RB's. We seem to have a good group. No single one will carry the day. But it seems they each have a role to play and they know it. When one isn't doing well, the other seems to do just fine. 118 yards per game is 10th in the league. Acceptable.
WR's. Much better than most people outside the Vikings think. Between Diggs and Theilen, well they do okay. As to the others. When the first two are covered the rest seem to be doing okay. Even Treadwell has made some good catches.
O-line. These guys seem to be the antithesis of the O-line from last year. Plug and play is the new mantra. It's hard to tell when one guy is replaced this year.

Defense.

Front line. These guys are doing a great job. They may not all be getting sacks but sometimes pressure is just as important.
LB's. We seem to have a good group here. Although at time they suffer in pass coverage.
DB's. Seems like we hear about Waynes all the time. But that's because very few QB's throw at Rhodes. Wayne's looks like he is getting better each week. But that could just be me.

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Great win, they beat a team that as others have said, is much better than their record. The Rams we play on Sunday are one of the darlings of the NFC and the Redskins beat them. We should feel good about this win, we outplayed them on their own turf.

On the Keenum thing: For me the devil is in the details and what I look at when I watch him play isn't just completions/incompletions, but also the quality of the throws. In many cases the quality of Keenum's throws isn't great. Compare to Sam where most often the throw is ahead of the WR or hitting him in stride where Keenum requires the WR to make a body movement or contort to get the ball which is slightly behind him. I get that he had 4 TDs and I'm glad he did. But the INTs he threw were criminally bad, rookie QB stuff. All that being said, Keenum has won 6 games for us and he is playing the best football of his career. He deserves credit for that. My fear is that should we get into January, especially late January, his play will go from being good to great to a weakness that could cost us a NFCCG win or worse another loss in the SB.

This last reason is seductive and makes me want Teddy to get his shot. However, it is hardly a slam dunk. How many starts are enough for Teddy to hit stride for a playoff push? Is 7 enough? Or 6 or 5? I don't know. I'm not sure if 7 is enough. Most NFL teams hit stride in NOV, ie weeks 9-12. In other words they've played 8 games +. Is Teddy going to be able to not just be competitive, but play with confidence heading into January? What happens to the confidence of the team? These are huge risks to take with a promising team in the midst of a very promising season.

And yet... If they don't could Keenum be the achilles heal in January?

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I don't get the "true colors" thing for Case. He has 5 INTs all year, two on consecutive plays. He also had 4 TDs. I don't think the 4 TDs is his true colors, but neither are the two INTs.

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In the sense that his inaccuracies showed. He's an erratic thrower. Always has been. He's not a 4 TD a game guy. He played well in the first 3 quarters but look back. Thats not him. His true colors are his inaccuracies. And that's ultimately what I am worried about. He's thrown 5 picks in 4 games now. That is worrisome. The guy played great early I'll give him that but watching him for most of his career, he worries me. Like a lot. I mean he almost gave Washington a win yesterday just on two dumb throws alone. Not trying to take anything from the guy. He's just making me more and more nervous every week

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I think we have to give Keenum credit, though.

Yes, there are inaccuracies. There were two confounding interceptions that made the Redskins game something other than a blowout. True, he has never performed at a consistently high level.

That being said, he is playing the best football of HIS career, and there's a reason for it. None other than Teddy Bridgewater himself says Keenum is the first player to arrive every day and the last to leave. He studies hard. He works hard. He's doing the things a starter needs to do to be successful in the NFL. He's having a career year because he's earning it. Interestingly enough, Keenum says that Bridgewater has been his biggest help as he prepares.

The real question is whether his ceiling is high enough. That's hard to know. What I saw against the Bucs, the second half of the Browns game, and the first three quarters of the Washington game tells me that his ceiling may actually be high enough to have sustained success. The problem is that he needs to bring that kind of play more often, rather than just showing glimpses of it. He needs to show the consistency in his play that he's been lacking.

I think realistically that Teddy's ceiling is higher. But it's impossible to know whether Teddy can play THIS SEASON better than Case has. If you play Teddy and he can't get in sync, how long do you stay with him? What does that do to the locker room? We still have a division to win, and we lost to one of the teams chasing us. It's just a tough call ... one I'm glad I don't have to make.

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Keenum says that Bridgewater has been his biggest help as he prepares.


The best way to learn is to teach. I am confident that Teddy is a master of this offense and is mentally and emotionally prepared to lead this team. I am concerned about him being able to physically perform at full speed and be in sync with the rest of the team at that speed. Not to mention whether his knee will hold up...

It was touched on earlier in this thread, but if Teddy is to be our QB in the playoffs, how soon to you want to get him in the game so he is "up to speed" by the end of the regular season? It would be good to see what they have in present Teddy sooner rather than later I would think. Also, I think he would benefit having a home crowd behind him. It will be interesting to see what Zimmer & Co. have planned and if their plan works out. After thinking about it, I am 100% for starting Teddy next Sunday. But if that doesnt happen I am also confident that at this point Keenum can continue to perform admirably and we would get similar production out of him as we would out of a cold Teddy. Unfortunate that it has to be a team that we are going to be battling for a seed at the end of the season.

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J. Kapp 11 wrote:
Keenum says that Bridgewater has been his biggest help as he prepares.


The best way to learn is to teach. I am confident that Teddy is a master of this offense and is mentally and emotionally prepared to lead this team. I am concerned about him being able to physically perform at full speed and be in sync with the rest of the team at that speed. Not to mention whether his knee will hold up...

It was touched on earlier in this thread, but if Teddy is to be our QB in the playoffs, how soon to you want to get him in the game so he is "up to speed" by the end of the regular season? It would be good to see what they have in present Teddy sooner rather than later I would think. Also, I think he would benefit having a home crowd behind him. It will be interesting to see what Zimmer & Co. have planned and if their plan works out. After thinking about it, I am 100% for starting Teddy next Sunday. But if that doesnt happen I am also confident that at this point Keenum can continue to perform admirably and we would get similar production out of him as we would out of a cold Teddy. Unfortunate that it has to be a team that we are going to be battling for a seed at the end of the season.



Teddy has never played in this offense. Shurmur was never the OC when Teddy played.


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What about putting teddy in for a drive or two during a game?

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Teddy has never played in this offense. Shurmur was never the OC when Teddy played.


I agree, But he has been studying this offense for over a year and he seems quite in tune with it to the point that he is able to help Keenum. I was saying that Teddy should be as mentally prepared as he could possibly be to return. The question is whether or not he can execute the offense physically at full game speed.

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What about putting teddy in for a drive or two during a game?

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I thought thats what they were going to do yesterday at the end of the game. Teddy was on the sideline with his helmet on warming up (per the announcers) but then Case had the two interceptions and I'm guessing that plan changed.


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Norv Zimmer wrote:
Grashopa wrote:
J. Kapp 11 wrote:
Keenum says that Bridgewater has been his biggest help as he prepares.


The best way to learn is to teach. I am confident that Teddy is a master of this offense and is mentally and emotionally prepared to lead this team. I am concerned about him being able to physically perform at full speed and be in sync with the rest of the team at that speed. Not to mention whether his knee will hold up...

It was touched on earlier in this thread, but if Teddy is to be our QB in the playoffs, how soon to you want to get him in the game so he is "up to speed" by the end of the regular season? It would be good to see what they have in present Teddy sooner rather than later I would think. Also, I think he would benefit having a home crowd behind him. It will be interesting to see what Zimmer & Co. have planned and if their plan works out. After thinking about it, I am 100% for starting Teddy next Sunday. But if that doesnt happen I am also confident that at this point Keenum can continue to perform admirably and we would get similar production out of him as we would out of a cold Teddy. Unfortunate that it has to be a team that we are going to be battling for a seed at the end of the season.



Teddy has never played in this offense. Shurmur was never the OC when Teddy played.

As much time as Teddy has spent in the building at at Vikings' practices, I doubt it matters. I can just about guarantee you that he knows the terminology, the protections, the route trees and options, the reads ... everything ... just about as well as if he'd been playing himself.

The issue isn't going to be understanding what to do. It's going to be physical rust, and developing timing with his receivers. Those are things he'd have to overcome no matter who was the offensive coordinator.

I've said it a dozen times now. I'm perfectly fine with Teddy being handed the reins today. He's the guy they drafted, and he's the guy beyond 2017. That being said, I simply don't think Case Keenum has done anything to LOSE the job. He's performing at a top-15 QB level for the season. His 16-game pace is for more than 4,000 yards, 25 TDs and 11 ints, which is the best anybody's done since Favre. Furthermore, he's only been sacked 5 times. He's at league average for TD%, and above average in every other statistic, including yards per attempt.

If the Vikings turn to Teddy, I'll be cheering my head off. He's become one of the biggest legends in Minnesota Vikings history with the way he's come back, and I find it impossible not to root for him. And I'd be over the moon if he could become the kind of QB we all have hoped for. But if they choose to stay with Keenum for now, I could certainly understand it, and I'll pull just as hard for him as I would for Teddy. Case has earned our respect.

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the Case/teddy situation is tough, but it can't be denied that case and the rest of the offense hasn't just been winning, they've been gelling in spirit. That dynamic goes 5 straight wins deep. This is a team that works together as a whole, and Case is well established as a piece of that whole with regards to team spirit. That dynamic accounts for something. And those two interceptions, which sucked, wouldn't have mattered as much if the D held the skins to less than 30. 38 points under case should have created a buffer for a couple bad plays like that if the D didn't allow so many points. Our D is better than that, and 38 (!!) points under case should have been enough to render those interception less bad than they were. If the D plays like we know they can, 38 points and a couple interceptions will be enough to win more games comfortably.


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I still have faith in Keenum. The match-up against the Rams will be a real test for the Vikings, offense and defense.

To me it seems like Keenum's confidence is his biggest weakness right now.


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"To me it seems like Keenum's confidence is his biggest weakness right now."

You could vary well be right, but it could also be his strength. But to make an argument for your point, I'd say cutting down a bit of his weakness (potential over confidence) could make him fight harder to keep putting out the best football he's played. If he knows he really has to fight for his position, it might lead him to keep pushing harder and harder like he has been.

His confidence could go either way. But I do understand reasons for your concern.

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the Case/teddy situation is tough, but it can't be denied that case and the rest of the offense hasn't just been winning, they've been gelling in spirit. That dynamic goes 5 straight wins deep. This is a team that works together as a whole, and Case is well established as a piece of that whole with regards to team spirit. That dynamic accounts for something. And those two interceptions, which sucked, wouldn't have mattered as much if the D held the skins to less than 30. 38 points under case should have created a buffer for a couple bad plays like that if the D didn't allow so many points. Our D is better than that, and 38 (!!) points under case should have been enough to render those interception less bad than they were. If the D plays like we know they can, 38 points and a couple interceptions will be enough to win more games comfortably.


You can't put the entire 30 on the defense. At the very least, 7 points were directly related to Keenum's turnovers.

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Bridgewater's return would be a great humanitarian story. But It can't make me ignore all of his deficiencies.

1. His throwing motion. I mean have you ever seen any professional QB throw the ball the way he does? Hell, have you ever seen an adult male ever throw a ball like that? Being that he is 6'1" and he throws the ball at near shoulder height. If I was a Defensive Coordinator. I could plan a game where the DLs and LBs just surround Bridgewater and have 90% of his passes batted back in his face.


2. His fear of throwing deep. The reason why Bridgewater's completions percentage is so high is because he throws so many check downs. I know this board nickname for Christian Ponder was check down charlie, but if you were honest. Wouldn't that name be more fitting for Brigdewater?

Sorry I just don't understand the elevation to sainthood for TB.


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The-Purple-Reign wrote:
the Case/teddy situation is tough, but it can't be denied that case and the rest of the offense hasn't just been winning, they've been gelling in spirit. That dynamic goes 5 straight wins deep. This is a team that works together as a whole, and Case is well established as a piece of that whole with regards to team spirit. That dynamic accounts for something. And those two interceptions, which sucked, wouldn't have mattered as much if the D held the skins to less than 30. 38 points under case should have created a buffer for a couple bad plays like that if the D didn't allow so many points. Our D is better than that, and 38 (!!) points under case should have been enough to render those interception less bad than they were. If the D plays like we know they can, 38 points and a couple interceptions will be enough to win more games comfortably.


You can't put the entire 30 on the defense. At the very least, 7 points were directly related to Keenum's turnovers.


yea, game should of been over at 35-20


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The-Purple-Reign wrote:
the Case/teddy situation is tough, but it can't be denied that case and the rest of the offense hasn't just been winning, they've been gelling in spirit. That dynamic goes 5 straight wins deep. This is a team that works together as a whole, and Case is well established as a piece of that whole with regards to team spirit. That dynamic accounts for something. And those two interceptions, which sucked, wouldn't have mattered as much if the D held the skins to less than 30. 38 points under case should have created a buffer for a couple bad plays like that if the D didn't allow so many points. Our D is better than that, and 38 (!!) points under case should have been enough to render those interception less bad than they were. If the D plays like we know they can, 38 points and a couple interceptions will be enough to win more games comfortably.


You can't put the entire 30 on the defense. At the very least, 7 points were directly related to Keenum's turnovers.

No doubt. I think officially it was 10 points off turnovers. And that doesn't count the potential points the Vikings could have scored themselves. On the first pick, the Vikings were driving in Washington territory.

For the record, the 38 points the offense put up DID create a buffer for a couple of bad plays. In fact, with our defense, 38 points is an absolute luxury. The Vikings under Mike Zimmer are 24-2 when they put up 21 points or more (7-21 when they don't, counting the postseason).

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Agreed. I saw that hole in my point. But still, our defense is better than that, and if they are playing like they do when they're on, 38 points and a couple interceptions are enough. And because of that, people shouldn't put too much weight on Case for those interceptions. I think those interceptions aren't any worse that the D giving up 30 points.


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The Vikings are 7-2. No matter what mistakes were made, what comparisons are summarized, the Vikings are 7-2. Hard not to like that.

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Agreed. I saw that hole in my point. But still, our defense is better than that, and if they are playing like they do when they're on, 38 points and a couple interceptions are enough. And because of that, people shouldn't put too much weight on Case for those interceptions. I think those interceptions aren't any worse that the D giving up 30 points.


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The Vikings are 7-2. No matter what mistakes were made, what comparisons are summarized, the Vikings are 7-2. Hard not to like that.
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Bridgewater's return would be a great humanitarian story. But It can't make me ignore all of his deficiencies.

1. His throwing motion. I mean have you ever seen any professional QB throw the ball the way he does? Hell, have you ever seen an adult male ever throw a ball like that? Being that he is 6'1" and he throws the ball at near shoulder height. If I was a Defensive Coordinator. I could plan a game where the DLs and LBs just surround Bridgewater and have 90% of his passes batted back in his face.


2. His fear of throwing deep. The reason why Bridgewater's completions percentage is so high is because he throws so many check downs. I know this board nickname for Christian Ponder was check down charlie, but if you were honest. Wouldn't that name be more fitting for Brigdewater?

Sorry I just don't understand the elevation to sainthood for TB.

I'm not seeing a lot of fear in this throwing motion.
TB to Charles Johnson 2015.

I kinda like this one, too.
TB to Charles Johnson preseason 2016.

Then we have these highlights, which are from right before he went down.
TB vs. Chargers, preseason 2016.

Teddy's throwing motion wasn't pretty when he came up to the Vikings, but that last video proves that he had been working on it and improving it in a big way. He's also 17-11 as a starter. If we're going to credit Keenum for "just winning," then we have to credit TB, as well.

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Agreed. I saw that hole in my point. But still, our defense is better than that, and if they are playing like they do when they're on, 38 points and a couple interceptions are enough. And because of that, people shouldn't put too much weight on Case for those interceptions. I think those interceptions aren't any worse that the D giving up 30 points.

Yep. Interceptions happen. No doubt.

Here's the thing ... this year's history shows that the Vikings' defense isn't going to play like that very often. In the "Not Elite" thread, I pointed out that the game against Washington was an aberration for our defense. The most yardage they'd given up in a game all season to that point was 344, and they'd held five straight opponents to under 300. Until yesterday, only the Steelers had scored as many as 20 points.

I don't know if our defense is elite, but it's awfully good. If our offense scores at anywhere near the rate they did yesterday, we're going to win virtually every game.

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The Vikings are 7-2. No matter what mistakes were made, what comparisons are summarized, the Vikings are 7-2. Hard not to like that.
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That's the spirit! :appl:

Thanks. While everyone is picking apart everything that went wrong, I'm basking in the fact that it's not being done with smoke and mirrors. And relishing the fact that basically the Vikings are flying under the radar and nobody is giving them a punchers chance of even winning the division.

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For the record, I still don't agree with the officials overturning the TD catch by Harris. Looking at the replay, it looks like the ball squirts out a bit while Harris is sliding on his back. How can they confirm possession before his body goes OOB? Not enough evidence on replay. In fact, like I said, it looks like the ball moves. That's why he cradles the ball with his other hand. If he wasn't so close to the sideline, yeah, it's a catch no doubt. But because the play happens so close to the sidelines, I can't see how they can overturn it. Good effort though.

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CbusVikesFan wrote:
The Vikings are 7-2. No matter what mistakes were made, what comparisons are summarized, the Vikings are 7-2. Hard not to like that.
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That's the spirit! :appl:

Thanks. While everyone is picking apart everything that went wrong, I'm basking in the fact that it's not being done with smoke and mirrors. And relishing the fact that basically the Vikings are flying under the radar and nobody is giving them a punchers chance of even winning the division.



NICE.

There was a moment Sunday when Case and Theilen were on the sidelines have a BLAST and man it just felt good to see that. These guys love playing for this team and they are having fun. Really cool to be a part of that.


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Nasty Elflein rep (I watched this 9x). Special mention to McKinnon on the blitz pickup.

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NICE.

There was a moment Sunday when Case and Theilen were on the sidelines have a BLAST and man it just felt good to see that. These guys love playing for this team and they are having fun. Really cool to be a part of that.

This group is definitely a team. I've been waiting for this for quite a while. A team with a good chemistry and laying it all out for each other.
This week is a big test. They have to pull it off however they can. Elflien has his biggest challenge with Donald. He's been creating havoc in recent weeks. It's going to be interesting to see how it plays out. Probably be sbit games on again this week here. I can smell it in the works.

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Post Re: Week 10 Reaction Thread: Vikings-Redskins
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The Vikings are 7-2. No matter what mistakes were made, what comparisons are summarized, the Vikings are 7-2. Hard not to like that.

As Bill Parcells would say "You are what your record says you are". We are 5 games over .500. That's pretty sweet. And we are there because we fully deserve to be there.


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