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My observations

1. Looks like the Browns have found a new LT. Can’t remember his name (Drago? Durango?) but he contained Griffen pretty well for his 1st start. He looked impressive. Glad Griff got the late SACK!!!
2. I’ve been critical of Spielman but I have to give him credit for the OL this offseason. Last season, when someone was injured, the drop-off was dramatic. This year? Remmers out with concussion – Hill steps in with no drop-off. Easton out? Isidora steps in and no drop-off. If anything, an improvement
3. I know people were excited about Murray’s numbers last week….but I just don’t see it. Last week he had good numbers but mostly based on a few runs with holes you could drive a truck through. I still think he has no moves, runs upright, doesn’t break tackles, and goes down with the first tackler. The difference between Jet and Murray is so obvious to me, like night and day.
4. It worked out I guess, but I am baffled by the Vikings’ offensive game plan. To me it seemed like they thought they were playing a vastly superior team and they wanted to “shorten the game”. Run to Murray on 1st and 10 up the middle for 1 yard almost every 1st down. Baffling.
5. I want to see more Morgan and less Rudolph. Rudolph occasionally has the great play (like the TD catch today) but he just doesn’t come up with the big catches in traffic. I know the Browns D made a good play, but a big TE that can’t create separation needs to be able to use hands/strength to make catches. And Rudolph just doesn’t do that.
6. I’ve also been critical of Trae but he looked good again today. Hope he can keep it up.
7. Well a W is a W. but this could be one of the worst 6-2 teams I’ve seen. I think the 2nd half could be brutal but we will see. It’s nice to be 6-2 but imagine this team with Cook and Week 1 Bradford!
8. Did Griffen get injured on the last play?? Why was he still in?


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I am not impressed with Murray's ability to break any tackle.
Keenum did just enough but he also missed a few very open receivers.
What was up with Quigley today? He averaged like 35 yards per punt.
We finally got some penalties called out way. That hasn't happened in a while.


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9. I'm in the Pacific Time zone- so I'm drunk before 10am. Like my friend said, "if you're watching London football, you're on London time"

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I'll say this about Murray and McKinnon. It seems that if one isn't getting the job done the other one is. And that is fine with me. Last week it was Murray, this week Jet did the work.

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We made it to the bye with a really solid record, 6-2. Exhale. That feels great. :D

Now comes the more demanding part of our schedule which will test our mettle. I do not expect the collapse we saw last year. OL is much improved and that is the most important difference from last year. We also have good WR depth and the Jet / Murray combo is working. I do think we will need either Teddy or Sam to come back from injury for us to have any shot at a deep playoff run though. I predict a 4-4 finish after the bye. 10-6 overall, which should take the north.


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I'll say this about Murray and McKinnon. It seems that if one isn't getting the job done the other one is. And that is fine with me. Last week it was Murray, this week Jet did the work.


Agreed. I said earlier that it's going to be a hot-hand approach. Both backs are good and both can get the job done. But I can guarantee that Murray is nowhere near comparable to Matt Asiata for whoever said that. That's just asinine. Whoever gets hot is who's going to get the ball. Simple as that

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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
Raptorman wrote:
I'll say this about Murray and McKinnon. It seems that if one isn't getting the job done the other one is. And that is fine with me. Last week it was Murray, this week Jet did the work.


Agreed. I said earlier that it's going to be a hot-hand approach. Both backs are good and both can get the job done. But I can guarantee that Murray is nowhere near comparable to Matt Asiata for whoever said that. That's just asinine. Whoever gets hot is who's going to get the ball. Simple as that


Maybe not for their careers, but Murray's 2017 3.6 YPC is eerily similar to Asiata's career 3.5. He doesn't look as fast as his Raiders days.

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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
Raptorman wrote:
I'll say this about Murray and McKinnon. It seems that if one isn't getting the job done the other one is. And that is fine with me. Last week it was Murray, this week Jet did the work.


Agreed. I said earlier that it's going to be a hot-hand approach. Both backs are good and both can get the job done. But I can guarantee that Murray is nowhere near comparable to Matt Asiata for whoever said that. That's just asinine. Whoever gets hot is who's going to get the ball. Simple as that



Jet almost looked like he simply had better cleats on today and was able to deal with the longer turf better. :confused: Who knows?


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We're forgetting Murray has made a pro bowl .
I think between both backs we are doing ok. Jet has had a good season with Shurmur's play calling.
Some of Murray's carries today was 1st and up the middle. And we all know how they work. :whistle:


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What was shocking was that Keenum's pass deep in the endzone was Adam's first TD catch of the season. Is this true? I'm to tired to look it up.

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Well I will admit they finally fixed some of the OL
problems and thank the lord Khalil finally got the
boot. I still think we need to improve our OL.

We honestly got lucky we picked up a decent QB
for nothing in NFL money.

We ran up the middle a little too much imo,
which is the strength of the Browns. I would
have liked to see us try some pitches or
something similar than run into their DT four
or five times.

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PFF Refocused: Minnesota Vikings 33, Cleveland Browns 16

PERFORMANCES OF NOTE:
QB CASE KEENUM, 80.5 OVERALL GRADE
Keenum was unfortunate early on as he saw one of his passes get tipped and then intercepted. However, this did not have an impact on his performance the rest of the game as he patiently picked apart Cleveland’s defense. Minnesota’s quarterback kept his cool under pressure as he had a passer rating of 133.3 when the Browns put him under duress. Furthermore, Keenum did a solid job of taking advantage of Cleveland’s busted coverages downfield as he completed 9 of his 13 passes that traveled at least 10 yards in the air.

RB JERICK MCKINNON, 89.1 OVERALL GRADE
Even though McKinnon averaged just 3.6 yards on the ground, he had a decent day as he needed to fight for every extra yard as 46 of his 50 rushing yards came after contact. In addition, he forced five of the six missed tackles that the Vikings forced as a team on run plays. Finally, McKinnon was a threat in the passing game as well since he caught all six of his targets and averaged 11.7 yards after the catch on the day.

CB XAVIER RHODES, 80.8 OVERALL GRADE
It was an up and down game for Rhodes, with the long completion allowed in the first half to Ricardo Louis down the left sideline, and a penalty commited. Outside of that though, he allowed just one other completion for three yards, and broke up one of the passes thrown his way.


CB TRAE WAYNES, 80.0 OVERALL GRADE
While Waynes wasn’t perfect, missing a tackle early in the game, his physical presense in coverage was key for the Vikings secondary. Targeted seven times in coverage, he allowed just two receptions for 22 yards, breaking one pass up, and forcing another incompletion with heavy contact.

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Quick thoughts.

Thielen.big game again. 99yds 1TD.
Diggs looked 100%. Good sign. Gonna need him in Q3 of the season.
Keenum. Struggled with ball placement but the guy makes plays. Love the way he scrambles and extend plays.
Xavier. Seemed like he struggled today.
Waynes. In good position, broke up a bunch of passes.
Mckinnon. good game overall against a pretty good defense
Forbath. 4/4 FGs .

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Kyle Rudolph had one drop on a really well defended pass and jumped approximately 19 feet in the air to catch the TD in the end zone.

Adam Thielen is our best receiver, not Diggs. Diggs is for the marks, Thielen is for the smarks.

Griffen made me sweat out the sack streak big time.

We had some weaknesses that we always had (poor running on first down, third down difficulties, Keenum letting it sail from him) that led us to trailing the Browns at half time. Its a bad thing to even trail these guys, much less trail them for like 30 minutes the way we did.

How does Forbath make 5/5 50+ yard field goals in 15 games but in that same time span have 7 XPs as misses or blocks? Our special teams coverage also allowed an over 70 yard return and wasn't really returning it that well, either, it seemed. Pretty crummy special teams game, honestly.

Its nice to have RBs with good hands. JET with 120+ all purpose, a TD and a 2 point conversion is where its at. Our rushing attack was down big time however but the Browns were quietly averaging only I think 64 rushing yards a game.

Rhodes let a bomb completion and had a bad penalty but he has gone 310 snaps without allowing a touchdown. Trae Wayans also had a nice game. We didn't really miss Andrew "King Missile" Sendejo that much maybe? Harris was fine in his role.

finally, I was worried about some of our OL backups like Isiadora but they did pretty well. Isiadora even kind of looked like an upgrade to Easton?


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I also want to point out for years a bugbear for this team, and certainly something that pissed me off a lot, was losing the time of possession battle. We had 38 minutes to their 22 today. EXCELLENT STUFF.


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I thought the same thing about Isadora.
One other thing that always haunted the Vikings was athletic tight ends. They have dine a great job in that category this season.

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After @KyleRudolph82 finished off an 84-yard drive today, the #Vikings have 8 TD drives of at least 80 yards, tied with KC for most in NFL.


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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
Raptorman wrote:
I'll say this about Murray and McKinnon. It seems that if one isn't getting the job done the other one is. And that is fine with me. Last week it was Murray, this week Jet did the work.


Agreed. I said earlier that it's going to be a hot-hand approach. Both backs are good and both can get the job done. But I can guarantee that Murray is nowhere near comparable to Matt Asiata for whoever said that. That's just asinine. Whoever gets hot is who's going to get the ball. Simple as that

I said that. And it's not asinine. Except for last week against Baltimore, Murray has been less useful to the Minnesota Vikings than Matt Asiata was. That is an opinion based in fact -- Asiata had practically the same YPC and was more useful in the passing game -- and I'll stand behind that opinion until Murray starts outperforming Asiata's numbers consistently.

And by the way, when Murray had a good game last week, I gave him his due. I also admitted to you personally that I needed to eat crow. So I don't appreciate the "asinine" comment. But today, Murray went back to being a big back who's extremely easy to tackle. He down at first contact every single time he touched the ball against the Browns. Go low on Murray, and he's down. He got the workload that you asked for -- 19 carries -- and he didn't come through. Just 39 yards.

I know you played against Murray and think highly of him. I respect that. Unfortunately, that isn't pertinent in 2017. Other than last week, Latavius Murray's performances with the Vikings have been extremely disappointing. It's inarguable.

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My thoughts:

• The Vikings made us sweat in the first half, but the second-half performance was excellent, both on offense and defense.

• Once the defense got by that first couple of plays, they played lights out -- as they should have against a wildly inconsistent rookie. We were especially effective in defending Daniel Njoku, the guy Pro Football Focus said would be able to have a big game against us. Just two catches for 19 yards. Good job by our linebackers and safeties, especially Kendricks and Smith.

• I was getting pretty ticked at Keenum in the first half, with a bunch more passes that were just off the mark enough to cause problems. But I thought he was excellent in the second half, leading us on some really beautiful drives by extending plays and making completions after escaping the rush or stepping up in the pocket. He continues to miss on deep throws, which is concerning. But he's winning, and it's hard to argue that. EDIT: I just read that Keenum converted four first downs on 3rd-and-9 or longer. Wow!

• The offensive line ... what else can you say? They continue to keep Case Keenum upright. One sack today, and Case almost got back to the line of scrimmage to avoid the sack. We didn't have a great game on the ground, but raise your hand if you would have taken 88 yards last year? And this was against a tough run defense.

• Special teams were a letdown. A missed XP (again!), pretty poor punting, a long kickoff return allowed. The good thing is that it's pretty rare that our special teams are this bad. Hopefully it was just a bad day and not something that other teams can scheme for based on tape of this game.

• Latavius Murray -- awful this game. One halfway decent run the entire game out of 19 carries. I did not see him break a single tackle. I like the guy. He's pretty humble and seems like a really good dude. But we need him to play more consistently.

• I said before the game that I'd take any win, no matter the margin. The truth is, I'm glad we doubled them up. That's what good teams do to bad teams. We're 6-2 at the bye. Let's hope the Vikes heal up and come back strong after the bye.

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It was also good to see Morgan catch a few balls today
he is a guy I have been waiting for. The more weapons
the better. I am hoping to see Treadwell breakout with
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Kapp, I don't remember the sack. When was it?

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Kapp, I don't remember the sack. When was it?

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Let me think ... second quarter? I think that's right.

He stepped up in the pocket, had no one open and essentially escaped the rush but got brought down one yard behind the line of scrimmage.

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The second half of this quote is part of why I love Zimmer.

https://twitter.com/SamNewton31/status/ ... 7195058176

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The second half of this quote is part of why I love Zimmer.

https://twitter.com/SamNewton31/status/ ... 7195058176

That is seriously awesome.

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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
Raptorman wrote:
I'll say this about Murray and McKinnon. It seems that if one isn't getting the job done the other one is. And that is fine with me. Last week it was Murray, this week Jet did the work.


Agreed. I said earlier that it's going to be a hot-hand approach. Both backs are good and both can get the job done. But I can guarantee that Murray is nowhere near comparable to Matt Asiata for whoever said that. That's just asinine. Whoever gets hot is who's going to get the ball. Simple as that

I said that. And it's not asinine. Except for last week against Baltimore, Murray has been less useful to the Minnesota Vikings than Matt Asiata was. That is an opinion based in fact -- Asiata had practically the same YPC and was more useful in the passing game -- and I'll stand behind that opinion until Murray starts outperforming Asiata's numbers consistently.

And by the way, when Murray had a good game last week, I gave him his due. I also admitted to you personally that I needed to eat crow. So I don't appreciate the "asinine" comment. But today, Murray went back to being a big back who's extremely easy to tackle. He down at first contact every single time he touched the ball against the Browns. Go low on Murray, and he's down. He got the workload that you asked for -- 19 carries -- and he didn't come through. Just 39 yards.

I know you played against Murray and think highly of him. I respect that. Unfortunately, that isn't pertinent in 2017. Other than last week, Latavius Murray's performances with the Vikings have been extremely disappointing. It's inarguable.


It is arguable because you comparing him to a guy that's not even on an NFL team and was a converted fullback. Lesean McCoy, Jay Ajayi and Lamar Miller are all averaging under 4.0 YPC. 3.8, 3.4 and 3.6 in that order. I guess those teams must be making a mistake by leaving Matt Asiata on the streets. To say he isn't performing well is one thing but comparing him to Matt Asiata is a joke. Sorry but it is. It has nothing to do with me playing against him. It's just it's not hard to figure out that Latavius Murray is a better RB than Matt Asiata. Murray has actually started in this league, produced and went to a pro bowl. Asiata has only started by default and hardly ever produced. I honestly can't even believe I'm having this argument to be honest

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I just watched the highlights but Harris missed a key tackle on the Crowell TD run. Sendejo is more key to the defense that some may think. That said, it's good to see second string guys stepping up.

It's going to be an interesting couple weeks. I think they activate Teddy but run with Case for a bit longer. At least until a loss or two.


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Do McKinnon and Murray have different running styles? Do those different running styles work more effectively against one particular type of defense? Or is it really just a crap shoot which player does better?


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I just watched the highlights but Harris missed a key tackle on the Crowell TD run. Sendejo is more key to the defense that some may think. That said, it's good to see second string guys stepping up.

It's going to be an interesting couple weeks. I think they activate Teddy but run with Case for a bit longer. At least until a loss or two.


I have been wondering if they stick with Case too, if either Sam or Teddy are ready to play. I think its a bad idea. Both Teddy and Sam will have rust, and will need to get in the swing of things ASAP. We have a shot at winning the division. And if any QB doesnt look ready, then we can switch back to Case. Its not a good scenario, but it may have to happen. When the first and second QBs are out at the same time, this is what happens. Plus, Rick is going to have to see Sam play again this year, to determine if hes worth the money hes probably going to want next year. What a mess :(


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I have been wondering if they stick with Case too, if either Sam or Teddy are ready to play. I think its a bad idea. Both Teddy and Sam will have rust, and will need to get in the swing of things ASAP. We have a shot at winning the division. And if any QB doesnt look ready, then we can switch back to Case. Its not a good scenario, but it may have to happen. When the first and second QBs are out at the same time, this is what happens. Plus, Rick is going to have to see Sam play again this year, to determine if hes worth the money hes probably going to want next year. What a mess :(

I watched Spurgon Wynn play! Having three capable QB's on the roster now is far superior to that. I don't know that anyone is going to be giving Sam or Teddy the big bucks as a free agent. That would be the riskiest of plays, as neither has shown they can stay healthy and neither has put up huge stats. I like them both, but I'm wearing purple goggles. I think we'll go with the healthiest of those two, maybe give Case a raise and another year on his contract, and roll the dice.


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Do McKinnon and Murray have different running styles? Do those different running styles work more effectively against one particular type of defense? Or is it really just a crap shoot which player does better?


They are definitely different runners. Murray is more of a grinder/north-south guy where McKinnon is more of the shifty type. Its all about getting one of them in a rhythm. Murray said in his presser after Baltimore that it was nice to finally get into a rhythm. I'm sure its the same with McKinnon. Thats why RBBC can be tough at times vs just a single workhorse like Cook

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