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I've made my view clear on Teddy I cannot understand the blind support of this guy as a franchise quarterback. If you actually look at his statistics over two years, they are close or as bad as any starting quarterback in the league. I think he averages 1 touchdown pass per game at best (that is pathetic). People tend to say, "he wins games." Well, that is easy to do with that defense and Peterson rushing for 1,500 yards. I would rather have Keenum in there Teddy has a noodle arm and quite frankly I don't care if he is a nice guy.


This is probably the 3rd time I'm posting this but do you know how many times the Vikings won 11 or more games in a season when they had Peterson? Twice. Once with Favre and the other with Bridgewater. It's harder than you think.

And stats don't equal wins.

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I don't think any of us know how Teddy is going to do. We got 3 weeks starting Wednesday to figure that out.
I know one thing for certain Zimmer won't rush him back. He will make sure that Teddy is healthy.
Lets just sit back and see how things unfold.


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Roger that!!
Nobody knows how Teddy is going to respone...bottom line


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I've made my view clear on Teddy I cannot understand the blind support of this guy as a franchise quarterback. If you actually look at his statistics over two years, they are close or as bad as any starting quarterback in the league. I think he averages 1 touchdown pass per game at best (that is pathetic). People tend to say, "he wins games." Well, that is easy to do with that defense and Peterson rushing for 1,500 yards. I would rather have Keenum in there Teddy has a noodle arm and quite frankly I don't care if he is a nice guy.


This is probably the 3rd time I'm posting this but do you know how many times the Vikings won 11 or more games in a season when they had Peterson? Twice. Once with Favre and the other with Bridgewater. It's harder than you think.

And stats don't equal wins.


His absolute hatred for Teddy have never made sense.


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While I understood the pessimism based off of the severity of Teddy's injury up until this point, I'm not sure why a few are so adamant that it still seems so unlikely he plays this season when he's getting cleared by the doctor. His situation has progressed and we know more information now, so to say he won't play is subjective. He wouldn't be cleared if there was a high potential for re-injury. I'm not saying it's unlikely he has a setback in the next 3 week or anything, but he wouldn't get cleared if his knee wasn't stable and able to go through an NFL regimen.

If you really want to question something then I would wonder how his mental makeup will be once he's under duress in the pocket and such.He's shown us to have a great attitude and an unflappable spirit, but how he handles and reacts to coming back and playing after that injury is not something we will know. That's all with Teddy.

I found it interesting that in Ian Rapoport's reports on the matter that he said the Vikings expect Teddy to play this season. If there is no setbacks in the next 4 weeks then I feel confident in saying that Teddy will be back under center at some point before seasons end.


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I get it... you dont like Keenum. If I had my choice he wouldn't be the starter either. But, that is the hand we are dealt. The coaching staff can prepare Teddy all they like but until Keenum goes down or we start losing because of him they should not even think about putting him in.

I know your comments weren't directed at me, but I'd love to respond anyway.

Case Keenum is a good quarterback, and I'm really glad we have him. But he's not a great quarterback, and the biggest reason is ball placement. Go back and watch his game against Tampa, which was his career game. He completed a number of fairly easy throws that really were not on the money. Yesterday he was off the mark, period. The swing pass to McKinnon in the second half was a great example. Super easy throw, and he put it on the turf. We were very, very lucky the officials got it wrong and Mike McCarthy had already blown his challenges. Treadwell's great catch was necessitated by a pretty poor back-shoulder throw.

Again, I'm glad we have him. He may very well save our season. But he's got some accuracy problems. Not to the point where it drives his completion percentage way down, but he has trouble with tight windows, and he doesn't always hit receivers in stride or throw them open. That's the reason we have criticisms of Keenum. Gosh, the guy is a great leader. He really is. And he's mobile in a way that Sam Bradford could only dream about. But his lack of precision hurts him and is probably the reason he's a backup.

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I agree Kapp. Keenum is a great backup, but not a long-term starter. He throws from varying arm angles and his mechanics become inefficient at random times, which leads to inaccuracy. The ability to throw from multiple arm angles is a huge plus, but mostly when you're a prototypical size. Keenum is listed at 6'1", but he's probably 6'. It leads to some errant throws, thus inconsistency, which is exactly what we've seen so far.

If you look at the shorter QB's in the League that are consistent and successful then you point to Brees and Russell Wilson. Over the top delivery 9 out of 10 times unless improvising. Their technique is consistent and they're more efficient as a result and overall, more productive on a consistent basis. Keenum is a gunslinger. He brings the emotion too, which is great, but he's not someone you fully trust in January, in my opinion.


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Zimmer: Teddy Bridgewater "good" with Shurmur's offense, has been taking the practice script every week and running it by himself.

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Zimmer: Teddy Bridgewater "good" with Shurmur's offense, has been taking the practice script every week and running it by himself.


Haters gonna eat on this one. :lol:

"It's against air!" "We know he can drop back, but it's not at game speed and we'll see how he is after a few hits!"


Teddy will be ready...


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I wouldn't say I hate the guy I just never saw any improvement from his rookie year to his second year. The stats were nearly identical. When you have a passing league and a qb who throws for 17 touchdowns in a 16 game season you are on the outside looking in. And, I believe he had 4 or 5 in just one game alone, so what does that tell you about the other 15? He has been putrid statistically and could never stretch the field.


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I wouldn't say I hate the guy I just never saw any improvement from his rookie year to his second year. The stats were nearly identical. When you have a passing league and a qb who throws for 17 touchdowns in a 16 game season you are on the outside looking in. And, I believe he had 4 or 5 in just one game alone, so what does that tell you about the other 15? He has been putrid statistically and could never stretch the field.


Folks said Matt Ryan didn't improve because his stats didn't get better from his rookie season (Completion percentage dipped, INT ratio increased), but what most failed to realize is that it wasn't regression. It was progression. He was handling more of the load as far as check with me's, audibles, playbook expansion, etc. The learning curve is steep when you get to the NFL and it gets more steep from year 1 to year 2 in a lot of cases. Rookie season, playbooks are pared back, plays developed for young Q's to read only half of the field instead of the entire field...Teddy was always able to go through a progression. Even more, his numbers got better, if only marginally. He demonstrated greater efficiency and an ability to avoid big mistakes. His development was only suggesting growth before he was lost last preseason. There was nothing to indicate a decline or stagnation. His. improvement was slow and steady...methodical. Even Tom Brady started this way. Not many see it because they want 30 TD's and less than 5 INT's out of the gates. Patience is lost. Teddy was on a track and had/has the intangibles to accomplish being a franchise QB. If anything, he still earned the right to seize that opportunity with the Vikings. No one has taken this job by the nuts in the meantime so it's back to being Teddy's job to lose.

Just my opinion, but I believe he prevails and most of ya'll eating crow. If not, we all losers and we both still wait for someone else with no rings in the meantime...


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I wouldn't say I hate the guy I just never saw any improvement from his rookie year to his second year. The stats were nearly identical. When you have a passing league and a qb who throws for 17 touchdowns in a 16 game season you are on the outside looking in. And, I believe he had 4 or 5 in just one game alone, so what does that tell you about the other 15? He has been putrid statistically and could never stretch the field.


You're saying you can't believe Teddy didn't light up the box score playing behind the worst offensive line in a decade with a run-first game script? Here's some #stats for perspective. In 2015, Teddy was asked to throw the ball 454 times. That ranked DEAD LAST in the league. For some perspective, Baltimore (oddly) led with 676 attempts! Pittsburgh was 16th with 590. If you average 25 attempts/game, that's the equivalent of nearly an extra 6 games!

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I don't really understand the general opposition to this from anyone. Obviously he isn't going to start the day after he comes back. Obviously he has to prove he can play at a high level. But he hasn't be sitting on a couch eating "hungry man" for the past year. He has, literally, been doing football related practicing and training every single day since the surgery. He cannot work with the vikings or an NFL team specifically during the PUP but there are many resources that have worked in the league that he can organize and take advantage of. This guy has been running an Off Season training camp for about 15 months. I have yet to see anyone push for him to play this week, beyond some tongue and cheek of course, its seems like what we all want is just for him to get some first team reps. WHO doesn't want that? There is literally no downside. You Think Keenum is going to miss a throw against the Ravens and say

"Well, If only I had, had 20 more minutes of first team reps in practice I could have nailed that one"

The worst thing that happens is we are gonna see some Twitter post from an insider that says "Teddy taking First team reps, not good. Timing off, no power on drive w/leg"

That literally it. Then Keenum is back to first team 100% of the time and we are moving on.

I simply cannot grasp the frustration unless it is literally being frustrated that people are excited about something. Which is super, SUPER ####.


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I was at Bridgewater's most recent (I hate to say last <gulp!>) NFL game (pre-season against the Chargers at US Bank Stadium). He looked pretty good. His stat line was:

12 completions on 16 attempts (75%) for 161 yards and a TD (No interceptions) - Passer rating 127.3

To me, he seemed decisive and was making crisp accurate throws. I actually remember being excited after the game thinking this (2016) might be the year Bridgewater "puts it all together." He didn't play a full game (obviously in preseason) but he really didn't have to. He looked really good.

Two caveats:

1) It was preseason
2) It was a one game observation (Even Tarvaris Jackson could look pretty awesome for one game)

The fact of the matter, however, is Bridgewater looked like he had taken strides in improving his game. Sadly we have not (as of yet) gotten to see if that was case. Bradford, quite frankly, is a better passer than Bridgewater (and why wouldn't he be, especially considering his level of experience vs Bridgewater), but considering his injury right now, may be done. I'm not convinced that Bridgewater will ever be as good a passer as Bradford, but he might (if we assume he comes back from this injury) be a better quarterback.

I'm not trying to make a case for Bridgewater. I still have some serious concerns that he can come back and play at the level he'll need to. I'm just not ready to "write him off" until I can see if Bridgewater can prove himself on the field. In my opinion, he was stepping up to do so in 2016 before his injury. I'd like to see him get a chance to finish what he started in 2016. Fate might have dealt Bridgewater a "raw deal" in 2016, but it might also have dealt him the hand that will allow him to finish what (IMHO) he started last year.

If it plays out that way, I'm wishing Bridgewater all the luck in the world.

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More #stats

Bridgewater accuracy percentage under pressure:

2014 (rookie): 1st
2015 preseason (1st)
2015: 4th
2016 preseason: 1st.

He was pressured at the highest amount in the league in 2015. Pressure affected him nearly the least. I don't care how you slice it, that's damn impressive.

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More #stats

Bridgewater accuracy percentage under pressure:

2014 (rookie): 1st
2015 preseason (1st)
2015: 4th
2016 preseason: 1st.

He was pressured at the highest amount in the league in 2015. Pressure affected him nearly the least. I don't care how you slice it, that's damn impressive.


Wow now I see why they call him GUMP. Where did you find that stat?

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To be fair, look up something like passes over 30 yards. I can remember 2 in nearly 2 full seasons. 1 was to Charles Johnson and 1 was to Diggs (there were a handful of td's with yards after the catch) but I'm talking actual deep balls. The truth is he has no deep game and that isn't something you learn. And to also be fair, Peterson ran for 1,500 yards by what someone described as the "worst offensive line ever." How on earth could they be worse than last years? Bradford, if anyone, had far less to work with than Teddy did. The reality is Case isn't playing all that badly. I'm not sure why they continue to give Murray the ball inside the redzone he has been nothing but a waste of 5 million dollars at this point. I feel like Case needs to take some more shots at the endzone.


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They give Murray the ball because Mckinnon has consistently not been able to finish a season with full work load of carries. Also, McKinnon is not a power back where Murray is.

I doubt Murray survives this offseason unless he reworks his contract. He already has cap casualty written all over him.

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They give Murray the ball because Mckinnon has consistently not been able to finish a season with full work load of carries. Also, McKinnon is not a power back where Murray is.

I doubt Murray survives this offseason unless he reworks his contract. He already has cap casualty written all over him.


Murray hasnt been a power anything this year. I think he has one of the worst yards per attempt in the NFL.


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They give Murray the ball because Mckinnon has consistently not been able to finish a season with full work load of carries. Also, McKinnon is not a power back where Murray is.

I doubt Murray survives this offseason unless he reworks his contract. He already has cap casualty written all over him.


Murray hasnt been a power anything this year. I think he has one of the worst yards per attempt in the NFL.



I agree though, its about giving Jet rest. I'll take several 2-3 yard gains over 4-5 yard gains a few times a game if It means Jet still has gas in the playoffs.


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To be fair, look up something like passes over 30 yards. I can remember 2 in nearly 2 full seasons. 1 was to Charles Johnson and 1 was to Diggs (there were a handful of td's with yards after the catch) but I'm talking actual deep balls. The truth is he has no deep game and that isn't something you learn.


That's a misleading talking point and I'm sick of it. Education time!

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-a ... plus-minus

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What many NFL fans—and even a few Vikings fans—seem to believe is that Bridgewater’s league-leading accuracy was driven by an unusual number of low-depth passes. If you check the replies to that tweet, Teddy’s high rate of short passes dominates the conversations.

What if someone accounted for that?

Scott Kacsmar at Football Outsiders did just that, using data collected from their tracking project and creating expected completion rates based off of distance thrown both vertically and horizontally.

After accounting for how far downfield a pass was and whether or not it was to the middle of the field, he started crediting or docking individual passes. So, if a pass was completed 7 yards down the field in between the hashes, it would be credited for 0.25 completions, because those passes are completed 75% of the time.

Add all those individual pass numbers up, and you get Kacsmar’s plus-minus. Teddy had only 395 passes in the sample, after getting rid of throwaways and other irrelevant passes, so he was at a disadvantage in this statistic compared to others, but he still ranked fifth overall in this metric.

When looking at it like a rate statistic (something they also do with C%+), he ranks third.

They also look at it while excluding drops, and he ranks sixth overall (fifth in the rank statistic).

Kacsmar was impressed.


http://zonecoverage.com/2016/vikings/fo ... -distance/

Another article I encourage you to read:

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The Vikings offensive line was spectacularly bad at one of its two critical responsibilities last year and marginally good at the other. In sets of data from both Pro Football Focus and STATS, Inc., no quarterback was under pressure more often in the past decade than Teddy Bridgewater was in 2015.

Per Pro Football Focus, Bridgewater’s pressure rate in 2015 led the league by four percentage points above scrambling Russell Wilson’s and an additional percentage point above deep-throwing Carson Palmer’s. The difference between first and second was the same as the difference between second and tenth.

Once adjusted for opponent, it looks even worse—the difference between first and second expands even further to equal the gap between second and 16th.

This is critical, because passer rating will drop between 30 and 36 points for the average quarterback when under pressure than in a clean pocket (depending on one’s definition of pressure). That’s larger than the difference than the top passer in the league and the worst passer.


http://www.1500espn.com/vikings-2/2016/09/409677/

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And to also be fair, Peterson ran for 1,500 yards by what someone described as the "worst offensive line ever." How on earth could they be worse than last years?


1. They were arguably the worst line in football BEFORE they lost Sullivan and Loadholt. Kalil and Clemmings were two of the worst offensive tackles in the league (if not THE worst).
2. It's possible for an offensive line to be average run blockers and abysmal pass blockers. Which they were.

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Bradford, if anyone, had far less to work with than Teddy did.


Um. No. Aside from the fact that Teddy didn't have Diggs (who was a rookie) for the first several games...

Thielen > Wallace

We were starting Charles Johnson.

Worse pass-blocking offensive line. Worse receivers. Worse game plan given the roster construct (remember Norv?)

Stroll down memory lane with me. This is what Teddy consistently faced in 2015.

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I was at Bridgewater's most recent (I hate to say last <gulp!>) NFL game (pre-season against the Chargers at US Bank Stadium). He looked pretty good. His stat line was:

12 completions on 16 attempts (75%) for 161 yards and a TD (No interceptions) - Passer rating 127.3

To me, he seemed decisive and was making crisp accurate throws. I actually remember being excited after the game thinking this (2016) might be the year Bridgewater "puts it all together." He didn't play a full game (obviously in preseason) but he really didn't have to. He looked really good.

Two caveats:

1) It was preseason
2) It was a one game observation (Even Tarvaris Jackson could look pretty awesome for one game)

The fact of the matter, however, is Bridgewater looked like he had taken strides in improving his game. Sadly we have not (as of yet) gotten to see if that was case. Bradford, quite frankly, is a better passer than Bridgewater (and why wouldn't he be, especially considering his level of experience vs Bridgewater), but considering his injury right now, may be done. I'm not convinced that Bridgewater will ever be as good a passer as Bradford, but he might (if we assume he comes back from this injury) be a better quarterback.

I'm not trying to make a case for Bridgewater. I still have some serious concerns that he can come back and play at the level he'll need to. I'm just not ready to "write him off" until I can see if Bridgewater can prove himself on the field. In my opinion, he was stepping up to do so in 2016 before his injury. I'd like to see him get a chance to finish what he started in 2016. Fate might have dealt Bridgewater a "raw deal" in 2016, but it might also have dealt him the hand that will allow him to finish what (IMHO) he started last year.

If it plays out that way, I'm wishing Bridgewater all the luck in the world.

I remember watching that game on TV and thinking, "This doesn't even look like the same guy." His throwing motion was so much more solid.

I'm not an expert on throwing, but I'm kind of a geek from my baseball days. When you throw with a low elbow, as Teddy had been doing, you can do fine from close range. That's why infielders can release from below shoulder level or even below waist level and still put the ball right on target. But the farther you have to throw the ball, the more the ball floats. That's what Teddy was doing his first two years ... getting underneath the ball and floating it on longer passes. But in the preseason game against the Chargers, he was firing from over the top. He was driving the ball. His passes had zip, and with 10 YPA, we're not just talking check-downs. I wish I could find video of that game, but I'm guessing it's not out there because it was preseason.

As far as his return, I'm cautiously optimistic. The Vikings won't put him on the field if he can't protect himself, so I'm happy to wait and see what happens. Really looking forward to a report from practice tomorrow ... you KNOW the media is going to be all over this, so we should have solid reports.

If we throw caution to the wind for a moment, think about this from an inspirational standpoint. Think of the fire the Vikings would have if he can return. That locker room LOVES Teddy Bridgewater. They'd run through fire for him.

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I remember 2015 well. How many plays did we see where a guy runs free from Clemmings side and Teddy scrambles to the sideline to throw the ball away. What was it ever other set of downs? It was atrocious.

It looks like they finally have figured out their tackle issues, at least at LT. Remmers could be better, but he is still head and shoulders better than Clemmings. I would rate Guard a higher priority in the offseason than Tackle at this juncture. Age is finally catching up to Joe Berger and Easton has been the weakest link on the interior. Still it wouldn't be too hard for Remmers to become a cap casualty if they can find some youth.

I know not everyone feels the way I do about the management, but it is nice to see how much they have improved over the past 4 years. They've gotten much better at Defense via the Zimmer hire. It looks like on offense they are finally gaining traction showing competitiveness at just about every position. We just need the stupid QB to give us a healthy year so we can take our shot at a Superbowl.

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I still say Bridgewater is the starter after the bye. To be honest, both guys healthy, I think Bradford is the better QB. But I don't think Zimmer agrees. I didn't buy the whole "Zimm loves Teddy" theories that were floating around. Until the Saints game.

I watch Sam put on a spectacular performance. Flip on the radio after the game and Zimmer really downplays his performance. Credits a lot of guys around him. And I didn't get the "there's no I in team" vibe, it really felt more dismissive to me. I could be wrong, and I don't think Zimmer dislikes Bradford, but I think he REALLY likes Teddy.

If both are healthy, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Teddy get the start. Just a gut feeling.


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I mean right now Detroit beat us

Disagreed. We beat ourselves. Even with that exact same talent on the field (i.e., no Bridgewater, Bradford, or Cook), I think we beat Detroit 8 out of 10 times without all of those silly mistakes and turnovers.


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Bridgewater has always been horrible as an NFL quarterback. If he does end up starting at some point, all of you can and should look me up because I called it a year ago. This guy is in no way, shape, or form EVER A FRANCHISE QB. He's not even close. A 1,500 yard rusher in the backfield and the worst 3 passing teams in the league? This dude is a total bum, end of story and we'll find out again soon simply because we are Viking fans. We have to find out the hard way because we haven't had a legit quarterback in 15 years other than Favre. I've watched local high school quarterbacks play better than Teddy Bridgewater.


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Bridgewater has always been horrible as an NFL quarterback.

This guy is in no way, shape, or form EVER A FRANCHISE QB. He's not even close.

The truth is he has no deep game and that isn't something you learn.

This dude is a total bum, end of story and we'll find out again soon simply because we are Viking fans.

Wow. This is deep.

Any other expert opinions or astute, fact-based analysis you'd like to share? :roll:

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Bridgewater has always been horrible as an NFL quarterback. If he does end up starting at some point, all of you can and should look me up because I called it a year ago. This guy is in no way, shape, or form EVER A FRANCHISE QB. He's not even close. A 1,500 yard rusher in the backfield and the worst 3 passing teams in the league? This dude is a total bum, end of story and we'll find out again soon simply because we are Viking fans. We have to find out the hard way because we haven't had a legit quarterback in 15 years other than Favre. I've watched local high school quarterbacks play better than Teddy Bridgewater.


Thank you for ignoring my post refuting and providing context. You're obviously entitled to your own opinion but...wow dude.

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I wouldn't call him terrible or a bum, but I don't have confidence yet that he will be the long term answer, even before the injury.

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mosscarter wrote:
Bridgewater has always been horrible as an NFL quarterback. If he does end up starting at some point, all of you can and should look me up because I called it a year ago. This guy is in no way, shape, or form EVER A FRANCHISE QB. He's not even close. A 1,500 yard rusher in the backfield and the worst 3 passing teams in the league? This dude is a total bum, end of story and we'll find out again soon simply because we are Viking fans. We have to find out the hard way because we haven't had a legit quarterback in 15 years other than Favre. I've watched local high school quarterbacks play better than Teddy Bridgewater.


Thank you for ignoring my post refuting and providing context. You're obviously entitled to your own opinion but...wow dude.


For what it's worth I got value of your post :smilevike:

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Cliff wrote:
dead_poet wrote:
mosscarter wrote:
Bridgewater has always been horrible as an NFL quarterback. If he does end up starting at some point, all of you can and should look me up because I called it a year ago. This guy is in no way, shape, or form EVER A FRANCHISE QB. He's not even close. A 1,500 yard rusher in the backfield and the worst 3 passing teams in the league? This dude is a total bum, end of story and we'll find out again soon simply because we are Viking fans. We have to find out the hard way because we haven't had a legit quarterback in 15 years other than Favre. I've watched local high school quarterbacks play better than Teddy Bridgewater.


Thank you for ignoring my post refuting and providing context. You're obviously entitled to your own opinion but...wow dude.


For what it's worth I got value of your post :smilevike:


*sniff*

Thanks Cliff.

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