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Vikings win Case closed. :rock:

True.

But they won in spite of Case today. He was pretty awful. An average game from Case, and we blow them out. We were way better.


I keep thinking about this offense/team with Sam/Teddy, Cook and Diggs. Ugh. Why.

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Vikings win Case closed. :rock:

True.

But they won in spite of Case today. He was pretty awful. An average game from Case, and we blow them out. We were way better.


Case didn't have a good start the beginning of the game. Then he started completing some passes and got us the win.

Zimmer has stated that he thinks Sam will start again this season. He also stated that Teddy will play sometime this season.
As long as Case gives us wins until Sam & Teddy get back I'm ok with that.


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halfgiz wrote:
J. Kapp 11 wrote:
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Vikings win Case closed. :rock:

True.

But they won in spite of Case today. He was pretty awful. An average game from Case, and we blow them out. We were way better.


Case didn't have a good start the beginning of the game. Then he started completing some passes and got us the win.

Zimmer has stated that he thinks Sam will start again this season. He also stated that Teddy will play sometime this season.
As long as Case gives us wins until Sam & Teddy get back I'm ok with that.



He got us nothing. This is straight up insanity. Murray got us the win. on the TD drive he produce like... 95% of the yards? it was our only TD. Without that we might LOSE the game on the final drive. WE MIGHT LOSE THE GAME. After dominating that long. I just don't get it. He throws nasty wobbly inaccurate balls the majority of the time. play slightly better for one quarter doesn't make him viable.


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J. Kapp 11 wrote:
halfgiz wrote:
Vikings win Case closed. :rock:

True.

But they won in spite of Case today. He was pretty awful. An average game from Case, and we blow them out. We were way better.


I keep thinking about this offense/team with Sam/Teddy, Cook and Diggs. Ugh. Why.


Well at least we will see most of your fantasy eventually this season. I am firm believer that Teddy will return as the starter. What will be interesting is if Sam is ready to play after the bye as well. That could spell significant trouble for the team.

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Case is a fine backup. He is basically Christian Ponder and it'll prevent him from being a starter in the league but he's a super valuable backup in my opinion. He's got some pretty decent athleticism and a good head on his shoulders - *generally* won't lose you the game (nor win it). His medium ball is just barely fast enough to be in the NFL. His deep balls are basically all going to be 1v1 "up for grabs" type stuff. There's almost no accuracy on the deep balls - he's doing all he can to get it there.

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Case is a fine backup. He is basically Christian Ponder and it'll prevent him from being a starter in the league but he's a super valuable backup in my opinion. He's got some pretty decent athleticism and a good head on his shoulders - *generally* won't lose you the game (nor win it). His medium ball is just barely fast enough to be in the NFL. His deep balls are basically all going to be 1v1 "up for grabs" type stuff. There's almost no accuracy on the deep balls - he's doing all he can to get it there.



Exactly this. He needs to get out of there as soon as is possible. He is far more likely to cost us a game then cinch us a game.


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J. Kapp 11 wrote:
halfgiz wrote:
Vikings win Case closed. :rock:

True.

But they won in spite of Case today. He was pretty awful. An average game from Case, and we blow them out. We were way better.


I keep thinking about this offense/team with Sam/Teddy, Cook and Diggs. Ugh. Why.

Cook and Teddy ... because the cosmos hates the Vikings.

Diggs ... because he tweaks something every year.

Sam ... because he was born with an ACL tear.

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Case is a fine backup. He is basically Christian Ponder and it'll prevent him from being a starter in the league but he's a super valuable backup in my opinion. He's got some pretty decent athleticism and a good head on his shoulders - *generally* won't lose you the game (nor win it). His medium ball is just barely fast enough to be in the NFL. His deep balls are basically all going to be 1v1 "up for grabs" type stuff. There's almost no accuracy on the deep balls - he's doing all he can to get it there.



Exactly this. He needs to get out of there as soon as is possible. He is far more likely to cost us a game then cinch us a game.
He hasn't lost a game for us yet...

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Cliff wrote:
Case is a fine backup. He is basically Christian Ponder and it'll prevent him from being a starter in the league but he's a super valuable backup in my opinion. He's got some pretty decent athleticism and a good head on his shoulders - *generally* won't lose you the game (nor win it). His medium ball is just barely fast enough to be in the NFL. His deep balls are basically all going to be 1v1 "up for grabs" type stuff. There's almost no accuracy on the deep balls - he's doing all he can to get it there.



Exactly this. He needs to get out of there as soon as is possible. He is far more likely to cost us a game then cinch us a game.
He hasn't lost a game for us yet...

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20-37 and under 200 yards against the Steelers? Rock Star.
16-30 and just over 200 against Detroit? Rock Star.

I don't see how you could think that barely 50% passing for barely over 200 yards and no touchdowns didn't adversely effect our ability to win. A pick 6 on the final drive of the game isn't the only way that a QB can cost us a game.

on top of that every game, he is bailed out by his receivers far more often than let down (amazing catches versus easy drops) nearly a 2-1 if not 3-1 ratio in some games. The Packer game is an obviously example 5 of his completions (so nearly 20%. TWENTY PERCENT) were either insane catches (Treadwells pinch, Rudolph jump, Theilens sacrificial layout) or not completed (the dirt pass to Jet) compared to I think 1? Drop that game? Additionally the 2 easy drops (literal drops, not even he should have or could have we are talking both hands on the ball and somehow lost it) from the Packers Defense.

Keenum lost us the Detroit game, 100%. He did everything in his power to cost us the Packer games. He supplied zero points against the Ravens.

I don't dislike him but either Teddy or Bradford NEED to get out there as soon as they can because Keenum will not win us more than maybe one playoff game. He is back up.


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IrishViking wrote:
[quote="Cliff"]Case is a fine backup. He is basically Christian Ponder and it'll prevent him from being a starter in the league but he's a super valuable backup in my opinion. He's got some pretty decent athleticism and a good head on his shoulders - *generally* won't lose you the game (nor win it). His medium ball is just barely fast enough to be in the NFL. His deep balls are basically all going to be 1v1 "up for grabs" type stuff. There's almost no accuracy on the deep balls - he's doing all he can to get it there.



Exactly this. He needs to get out of there as soon as is possible. He is far more likely to cost us a game then cinch us a game.
He hasn't lost a game for us yet...

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20-37 and under 200 yards against the Steelers? Rock Star.
16-30 and just over 200 against Detroit? Rock Star.

I don't see how you could think that barely 50% passing for barely over 200 yards and no touchdowns didn't adversely effect our ability to win. A pick 6 on the final drive of the game isn't the only way that a QB can cost us a game.

on top of that every game, he is bailed out by his receivers far more often than let down (amazing catches versus easy drops) nearly a 2-1 if not 3-1 ratio in some games. The Packer game is an obviously example 5 of his completions (so nearly 20%. TWENTY PERCENT) were either insane catches (Treadwells pinch, Rudolph jump, Theilens sacrificial layout) or not completed (the dirt pass to Jet) compared to I think 1? Drop that game? Additionally the 2 easy drops (literal drops, not even he should have or could have we are talking both hands on the ball and somehow lost it) from the Packers Defense.

Keenum lost us the Detroit game, 100%. He did everything in his power to cost us the Packer games. He supplied zero points against the Ravens.

I don't dislike him but either Teddy or Bradford NEED to get out there as soon as they can because Keenum will not win us more than maybe one playoff game. He is back up.[/quote]I'd you are going to cherry pick stats, I can do the same. He looked awesome against Tampa and he led us to a win in Chicago.

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To be clear, I am not sailing he's a good QB for the future, but he is not more likely to cost us games, since his reslcord is 4-2.

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I'd you are going to cherry pick stats, I can do the same. He looked awesome against Tampa and he led us to a win in Chicago.

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Who's cherry picking? The claim was he hadn't lost us a game. I counter with stats they say he played like #### against 2 teams we lost to :confused:


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To be clear, I am not sailing he's a good QB for the future, but he is not more likely to cost us games, since his reslcord is 4-2.

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The teams record is 4-2

I challenge you find a drive in the Packers game or the Ravens game that shows Keenum "Winning" us those games. As I said earlier. Murray won us that game in spite of Keenum's utter inability to do anything in or near the redzone.


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The bottom line Case is a backup. He has us at 5-2 and leading the division, what more are you asking from him?
I'm happy where a backup QB has us sitting. How many more wins do you think Teddy or Sam would have got?

We're in first place and hopefully when Teddy or Sam come back we can keep going.


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The bottom line Case is a backup. He has us at 5-2 and leading the division, what more are you asking from him?
I'm happy where a backup QB has us sitting. How many more wins do you think Teddy or Sam would have got?

We're in first place and hopefully when Teddy or Sam come back we can keep going.



I love Case. He is a backup. He needs to be sat the second that Teddy or Sam are ready. He is a back up and plays like it.


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Found this article. Don't agree with a lot of it but just thought I'd post it. They have the clip where Case missed Diggs for the TD. You can't hit every open receiver and I think leadership is much more important than stats for a QB. I've been thoroughly impressed with Keenum so far this year. He has limitations, but he makes up for them in other ways.

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Found this article. Don't agree with a lot of it but just thought I'd post it. They have the clip where Case missed Diggs for the TD. You can't hit every open receiver and I think leadership is much more important than stats for a QB. I've been thoroughly impressed with Keenum so far this year. He has limitations, but he makes up for them in other ways.

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Yeah, that play to Diggs wasn't really one where he could complete the pass -- he was rolling to his left and would have had to throw deep over the middle. Maybe a Matthew Stafford could make that throw.

The one where Thielen was wide open and he threw to Treadwell, whom he never looked away from and almost got picked? Yeah, that was bad. As the poster said -- pump fake to Treadwell left (as he did) and throw back to Thielen down the middle, and it's an easy six. We didn't see enough of Teddy with a decent offense to know whether he would have made that play, but my feeling is he would have. Sam almost certainly would have.

I don't think Case is the long-term quarterback for the Vikings. I'm just not sure about the timing for bringing Teddy back. Whatever the Vikings decide, I'll be good with it. Not like we're trotting Spergon Wynn out there.

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Found this article. Don't agree with a lot of it but just thought I'd post it. They have the clip where Case missed Diggs for the TD. You can't hit every open receiver and I think leadership is much more important than stats for a QB. I've been thoroughly impressed with Keenum so far this year. He has limitations, but he makes up for them in other ways.

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Yeah I have mentioned the reads he's been missing before. That worries me. But like Kapp said, no matter who we put out there, we will have a legit shot to win.

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If Bradford is not ready next week I think you still roll with Case. I'm still upset with Bradfords last appearance.....did the staff REALLY think he could go? Didn't look like he was even capable of going to the grocery store let alone being trotted out on the field. What was going on? Never the less I think it would be a mistake to throw TB out right after the bye week. If anything it would be smart (& kinda cool) to see a mix of Case and TB. What do you guys think?


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If Bradford is not ready next week I think you still roll with Case. I'm still upset with Bradfords last appearance.....did the staff REALLY think he could go? Didn't look like he was even capable of going to the grocery store let alone being trotted out on the field. What was going on? Never the less I think it would be a mistake to throw TB out right after the bye week. If anything it would be smart (& kinda cool) to see a mix of Case and TB. What do you guys think?

Not a fan of that idea.

Offensive linemen talk all the time about how different quarterbacks require different setups in protection. That's because every quarterback sets up differently. Some are 7 yards deep and tend to escape the pocket. Some are 8-9 yards deep and like to step up. Also, their cadences are different. Case has talked about how much he and the O-line have worked together just on cadence. Mixing quarterbacks makes it tough on the offensive line.

Before his injury, I would have said that Teddy Bridgewater was far and away better than Case Keenum. But we don't know what we have with Teddy at this point. Also, I wonder whether he's actually ready to play in a game, or if the Vikings are considering activating him simply because if they want to use him later, the rules mandate that they activate him now. It's in the Vikings' best financial interest to not activate him, so the only thing I can think is there may be more to Bradford's injury than the Vikings are letting on.

I wish there was more video of Teddy in practice. So far, the only video I've seen is that first day he returned, and all that video showed was him trotting on the field, handing off the ball, and tossing it on a sweep. It was nothing more than a "yay, Teddy's back on the field" PR vid.

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If Bradford is not ready next week I think you still roll with Case. I'm still upset with Bradfords last appearance.....did the staff REALLY think he could go? Didn't look like he was even capable of going to the grocery store let alone being trotted out on the field. What was going on? Never the less I think it would be a mistake to throw TB out right after the bye week. If anything it would be smart (& kinda cool) to see a mix of Case and TB. What do you guys think?


My bet is that Sam won't be ready. Case will start against the Redskins. When they come home Teddy will start, Case will be backup and I expect Bradford to hit IR. That will be the end of Bradford's Vikings career.

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If Bradford is not ready next week I think you still roll with Case. I'm still upset with Bradfords last appearance.....did the staff REALLY think he could go? Didn't look like he was even capable of going to the grocery store let alone being trotted out on the field. What was going on? Never the less I think it would be a mistake to throw TB out right after the bye week. If anything it would be smart (& kinda cool) to see a mix of Case and TB. What do you guys think?

Not a fan of that idea.

Offensive linemen talk all the time about how different quarterbacks require different setups in protection. That's because every quarterback sets up differently. Some are 7 yards deep and tend to escape the pocket. Some are 8-9 yards deep and like to step up. Also, their cadences are different. Case has talked about how much he and the O-line have worked together just on cadence. Mixing quarterbacks makes it tough on the offensive line.

Before his injury, I would have said that Teddy Bridgewater was far and away better than Case Keenum. But we don't know what we have with Teddy at this point. Also, I wonder whether he's actually ready to play in a game, or if the Vikings are considering activating him simply because if they want to use him later, the rules mandate that they activate him now. It's in the Vikings' best financial interest to not activate him, so the only thing I can think is there may be more to Bradford's injury than the Vikings are letting on.

I wish there was more video of Teddy in practice. So far, the only video I've seen is that first day he returned, and all that video showed was him trotting on the field, handing off the ball, and tossing it on a sweep. It was nothing more than a "yay, Teddy's back on the field" PR vid.



Very good points made Kapp.....in regards to the OL and cadence. I'm not sure I agree with TB (pre injury) being far and away better than Keenum. In all fairness to Teddy he had a much different offense around him than what Case has. I could not stand Turner and like Shurmur. No AP and a better OL. We may never know the answer if TB isn't the same or can't stay healthy.


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Teddy Bridgewater - QB - Vikings

Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports reports the Vikings will activate Teddy Bridgewater (knee, PUP) in Week 10.

The deadline to activate Bridgewater is Wednesday. Now 14 months removed from a torn ACL, Bridgewater will resume full practice this week in anticipation of his activation next Sunday against Washington. Case Keenum is still the favorite to start, but should be on a short leash now that Bridgewater is back at full strength. Sam Bradford (knee) remains out indefinitely.
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Keenum being on a short leash pisses me off. The guy is 5-2. This will not end well.

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Sam's knee really has me puzzled. Just wonder what he really has going on.
When getting them treatments in New York, as many shots as what I read he was getting, his body shouldn't be feeling any pain at all.
Should have known when he got a second opinion that there was more going on. I think the day Sam started at the Bears there was a lot going on behind the scenes that wasn't being talked about.

To all the people implying that Keenum sucks and needs to be benched...careful what you wish for.


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Keenum being on a short leash pisses me off. The guy is 5-2. This will not end well.

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Unless he's tanking or injured they won't pull him mid-game, if that's your worry.

If he loses to Washington and looks bad in the process...

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Keenum being on a short leash pisses me off. The guy is 5-2. This will not end well.

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Unless he's tanking or injured they won't pull him mid-game, if that's your worry.

If he loses to Washington and looks bad in the process...
As long as he keeps winning, leave him in. I am very nervous about Teddy coming in with more rust that will lose games for us.

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Keenum being on a short leash pisses me off. The guy is 5-2. This will not end well.

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Unless he's tanking or injured they won't pull him mid-game, if that's your worry.

If he loses to Washington and looks bad in the process...
As long as he keeps winning, leave him in. I am very nervous about Teddy coming in with more rust that will lose games for us.

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Per Sage Rosenfels, it takes a few series (not games) to "knock the rust off" after getting in full reps.

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You mean hall of famer Sage Rosenfels?

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Don't think you need to be a hall of famer to know how long it takes to shake the rust off. In fact, being a career backup qb probably has more experience with rust than a hall of famer that starts almost every game

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