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- McKinnon was great on the ground (not so much returning kicks)
- The Bradford start was...ill advised
- I'm worried about Diggs' injury. Groins linger and he was non-existent for much of today. I think he may have been more decoy because of this. We can't beat Green Bay with Keenum and without a healthy Diggs.
- Defense was OK. Stupid penalties and I think Waynes is still a sub-average corner.
- Brock...needs to not be on special teams
- Griffen needs to chill out with the offsides
- Offensive line wasn't great in this one, particularly Remmers, Elflein and Berger.
- Harry!
- I'm coming around on Barr. He made some good plays tonight.

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Brock needs to be either cut or deactivated. Griffen is pissing me off. Waynes is beginning to annoy me.
McKinnon was the man tonight. He took and delivered some huge hits. Elflein is a stud.


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@PFF_NateJahnke Harrison Smith tonight
4 times thrown at
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@PFF_NateJahnke Eric Kendricks in coverage tonight
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@KFAN1003 Zimmer on Bradford: He wasn’t moving well out there. He didn’t wanna come out of the game but I just thought it was important to protect him

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@christomasson Mike Zimmer says Sam Bradford aggravated his injury on a play when he was tackled

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I win is a win.

I think we have also seen the last game of Sam Bradford's career. I think seeing Dalvin Cook's ACL injury had more of a psychological impact on him then the bone bruise did. I haven't seen that much QB panic since Blaine Gabbert's rookie season.


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Love it. #RhodesClosed

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@christomasson Mike zimmer said there was no doubt all week Bradford would play. Vikings limited Bradford in practice on purpose. zimmer said medically Bradford fine to play. zimmer doesn't know how long Bradford could be out but doesn't think it's major


Zimmer said he considered taking him out earlier but just didn't. (Ugh)

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I'll give the O-line a slight pass. They were much better in pass protection after Bradford went out. And they did pave the way for 159 yards rushing.

Nine penalties will kill us in most games, especially four for first downs. Some of that can be attributed to the worst officiating crew in the NFL, but we need to clean that up.

I was encouraged that we didn't let Jordan Howard go off. I'll take giving him 76 yards, given how he lit us up for nearly 300 in two games last year. The defense did a nice job of adjusting to Trubisky after the first couple of drives. I almost feel sorry for the kid. That has to be the worst WR corps in the league. They have nothing.

Props to Kai Forbath. He's taken a lot of heat, but he made the kicks we needed today.

Really nice game for Jet McKinnon. Had 95 yards rushing and 146 yards of total offense, plus 50 yards in kick returns.

An ugly win, but a division win on the road. Given that we had zero division road wins last year, I'll take it.

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A win is a win. Everyone knows we struggle there. I said it early in the week I didnt feel good about it. Again, this defense is always going to keep us in games. I almost wish we just gave Bradford another week.

Great play by Harry but again, it was a pass that was actually to him. Barr's was way outside and Sendejo's was too high IMO.

Best I've ever seen McKinnon run but I still don't trust him. We need Murray more on early downs. Everyone seems to forget Murray had 12 TDs last year. And if they gave him the ball as much as they did the year before, he wouldve ran for over 1000. Murray was running way better than McKinnon early. He had 25 yards on his first 6 carries. Then they eased off some it seemed. McKinnon isn't an early down back IMO and will never be. I like mixing him in but Murray needs to be the early down guy. We could get a little thunder and lighting combo with them.

I'm glad Johnson got some time. Dumb penalty but was there to make the play. Would like to see more of him. I like how Waynes played toward the end. Barr had some nice plays tonight as well.

Overall, I'll take the win. Not going to sit here and complain because we always struggle in Chicago.

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Division game on the road. Can't get any sweeter than that. The Vikings needed this win. Liked the way they fought the entire game.

Good:
Mckinnon. Good vision tonight. Something he usually struggles with.
Keenum. Just Solid. Couple of late throws but overall he was almost perfect.
OL. Good run blocking tonight. Really helps with an athletic center. Only sacks they gave up was when Bradford was back there. Gave Keenum time.
Rudolph. Under appreciated, at least by me. Good solid game.
The entire D. With how bad the FP was in the first half, I can't believe they didn't give up a point. Griffen and Smith with huge takeaways. Run D was excellent. Team effort.
Special Teams. Punt and kickoff coverage solid when needed.

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Special Teams. TD on the fake punt. Made the game closer than it needed to be.
Penalties. Thought a bunch were ticky tack but I'm guessing CHI had at least 4 first downs due to penalty.
Bradford. He shouldn't have practiced or played this week.
Mckinnon on KR.
Loss of containment on boot legs. Have to fix this or Rodgers will kill the Vikings next week.

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Bradford was clearly not ready for prime time. The one play where he crumpled in the fetal position from nothing was gut-wrenching. This might have retarded progress of his recovery by a month or more. Thank God Zimmer finally yanked him. I understand its an important divisional game in prime time, but the opponent is fielding a rookie QB passing to nobodies and is on its 5th string LB as the shot caller.

The refs were wearing purple tonight in my opinion. We got bailed out a lot. The Bears could have had a 16-0 lead in the first half possibly. Trubisky was a drop and a penalty away from going 9/9 for over 100 yards in the early going. He was fairly well shut down after that, though. 12-25, 128 yards and a back-breaking pick and a crucial strip-sack. Pretty much every point they got was fluky BS. The defense did a fine job but needs to cool it with terrible penalties. Like the Tom Johnson face mask that was negated, Griffin jumping, etc. Kind of sloppy! And we only got 1 sack!

Murray is underperforming and McKinnon played excellently. Kyle Rudolph didn't have a hot stat line but he had a bunch of crucial third down conversions and an excellent TD where he was as open as I have ever seen anybody.

Diggs with a groin injury when the next game is the Packers game is obviously awful.

It was the definition of an ugly win.


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As I mentioned in the game thread, I'm viewing the Vikings as being in survival mode so any win is good. If they can get another win or two, they'll be good going into the bye with two options at QB.

Defense did a good job tonight with 2 turnovers deep in Chicago territory and giving up only 7 pts, which was a bit of a fluke play.

Special teams still leaves a lot to desire. They're good in coverage but all our kickers and punters have been suspect under Priefer and now the squad is getting hit with penalties and falling for fake punts. KR is also a big issue, if McKinnon isn't giving us horrible field position he's putting the ball on the ground.

On offense there's a difference between hurt and rust. It was pretty evident which it was tonight and it shouldn't have taken an entire half to figure it out. Sam needs to be REALLY ready or else just stick with Keenum until the bye.


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Great play by Harry but again, it was a pass that was actually to him.


Not to split hairs, but I disagree. Smith undercut the receiver's route and put himself in perfect position to make the interception, but that's a completion to the Bears receiver if the "Hit man" doesn't make his play. Your post almost makes it sound like the QB "missed" his receiver and threw right to Smith instead. Maybe I misunderstood(?)

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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
Great play by Harry but again, it was a pass that was actually to him.


Not to split hairs, but I disagree. Smith undercut the receiver's route and put himself in perfect position to make the interception, but that's a completion to the Bears receiver if the "Hit man" doesn't make his play. Your post almost makes it sound like the QB "missed" his receiver and threw right to Smith instead. Maybe I misunderstood(?)


I didn't mean it like that. Basically that he was in the position to make an easy catch. And given the fact that guys complained about Barr not picking off that screen. He undercut it and made a great play on it but Trubisky threw a dart at him from 5 feet away way to his outside hand. Balls like that aren't really catchable unless you make some kind of crazy play.

More or less of Harry missed that, then yeah definitely a dropped INT. But as for Barr and Sendejo, those weren't "dropped ints" IMO

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Diggs with a groin injury when the next game is the Packers game is obviously awful.

It was the definition of an ugly win.


Didn't he have groin issues last year? Hope to see more of Floyd next week. Sadly I'm losing hope for Treadwell.


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Glad to get out of Soldier Field on MNF with a win. The way things were going, with fluke plays that resulted in points for CHI, it was starting to feel like a classic Vikings loss despite clearly outplaying the opponent.

What an ugly game. The whole first half was garbage on offense. Sam had no business being out there. His injury is affecting his confidence. He's not ready.
I'm really glad they made a move to get Keenum. Smart offseason move. He's a perfect backup QB. Paired with our D, he can win us some games to get us through a period of injuries.

One detail I found interesting: the commentator (McDonough) said that Sam's bone bruise was in his knee. Has that been revealed, or was he just speculating? If so, which bone, the patella? Or is it the femur or tibia?

I agree with the sentiments upthread that Waynes just doesn't convince me. Seems to lack FB awareness.


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Glad to get out of Soldier Field on MNF with a win. The way things were going, with fluke plays that resulted in points for CHI, it was starting to feel like a classic Vikings loss despite clearly outplaying the opponent.

What an ugly game. The whole first half was garbage on offense. Sam had no business being out there. His injury is affecting his confidence. He's not ready.
I'm really glad they made a move to get Keenum. Smart offseason move. He's a perfect backup QB. Paired with our D, he can win us some games to get us through a period of injuries.

One detail I found interesting: the commentator (McDonough) said that Sam's bone bruise was in his knee. Has that been revealed, or was he just speculating? If so, which bone, the patella? Or is it the femur or tibia?

I agree with the sentiments upthread that Waynes just doesn't convince me. Seems to lack FB awareness.


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My reactions:

1) Bradford's knee was not healthy. He was immobile and not able to step into throws. Coaches should have recognized this and not started him. Keenum is a capable backup... it's not like we have a terrible option if Bradford can't play.

2) The back of Bradford's head hit the turf hard when he got sacked. You could tell he was not clear-headed after that. Kept blinking and trying to clear his head. He obviously suffered a concussion. The trainers had him sitting on the bench and were evaluating him and then they put him back in the game. Stupid. Irresponsible. And he was pitiful out there. :steamed:

3) Keenum did a great job. The whole offense woke up when he came in. He took charge and made some good throws and even had a great 1st down run. I like this guy. We're lucky to have him.

4) The punt team did a great job. Had plenty of opportunities, unfortunately, but they pinned the Bears several times.

5) Kyle Rudolph was solid... made some key catches and kept the sticks moving.

6) Jerick McKInnon had an outstanding 2nd half. The kid can play, but I worry about his durability the way he runs inside. He thinks he's AD. He is not convincing me as a KR, though. I wonder if one of our WR's might be better?

7) The Defense rocked! Great play from the whole unit. Sendejo and Smith are quite the pair of safeties. Is there a better pair in the NFL? The pass rush was key and the LB's use their speed really. well.

8. MIchael Floyd... hope to see more from him. He definitely has the big body and reach. Could make Jarius Wright completely redundant... and I hear the Giants are in need of WRs really badly... Spielman should get on the phone.

All in all, we got the road win after a very bumpy first half. That was huge. The NFC North is no cakewalk this year. We need to win these games. :govikes: :govikes: :govikes:

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Glad to get out of Soldier Field on MNF with a win. The way things were going, with fluke plays that resulted in points for CHI, it was starting to feel like a classic Vikings loss despite clearly outplaying the opponent.

What an ugly game. The whole first half was garbage on offense. Sam had no business being out there. His injury is affecting his confidence. He's not ready.
I'm really glad they made a move to get Keenum. Smart offseason move. He's a perfect backup QB. Paired with our D, he can win us some games to get us through a period of injuries.

One detail I found interesting: the commentator (McDonough) said that Sam's bone bruise was in his knee. Has that been revealed, or was he just speculating? If so, which bone, the patella? Or is it the femur or tibia?

I agree with the sentiments upthread that Waynes just doesn't convince me. Seems to lack FB awareness.


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That's vague as can be, certainly by design.

I don't want to see Bradford back until he looks confident in his knee.


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Could have been a blowout if CK started. Safety never would've happened and who knows about the trick plays/ luck that the Bears had on their side.

Reffing was a wash or in our favor. The bears had a TD and 2 or 3 other big plays nullified by penalty.

2nd half was more enjoyable that the first half (even if it was a close back and forth, it was exciting to watch and to be on the good side of the game winning score). The wiff was nearly falling asleep at half time but wide awake by the end of the game.

Couldnt figure out why Mckinnnon was in so much but was glad that he had a decent day on offense. I really hope we can get Murray going though.

Bradford was ugly, I am on the Bradford bandwagon, he is a great passer. I would feel bad if this "flare up" cost him a job. Our O-line looked better with the Mobile QB, so maybe Teddy/Keenum is the best combo going forward for the team. Just a reaction.

Edit: Oh yeah, and Rudolph, best game of the season. Hopefully we see more of him going forward.

Edit: UGLY - Our backups on D need to wrap up when they tackle! (Alexander and whatever LB that was on the fake punt after Sherles wiffed)

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is Sloter "mobile"?

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8. MIchael Floyd... hope to see more from him. He definitely has the big body and reach. Could make Jarius Wright completely redundant... and I hear the Giants are in need of WRs really badly... Spielman should get on the phone.

All in all, we got the road win after a very bumpy first half. That was huge. The NFC North is no cakewalk this year. We need to win these games. :govikes: :govikes: :govikes:


I would hold on to Wright seeing as how Diggs is dealing with a groin injury (again). I think Thielen, Floyd, & Wright is very capable. Treadwell is slipping away it seems.


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Bad:

Bradford should not have been playing last night. I'm a fan of Zimmer, but this was a bad judgement call and he waited too long to pull him. The way the offense moved under Case makes me believe had he started the Vikes would've won by 10-14 points.

I'm losing faith in Waynes as a CB, wonder if he may be better at Safety/Centerfielder?

Remmers weakness against highly athletic Edge rushers showed up tonight, Particularly when he had a hobbled Bradford back there.

Diggs' injury. Can we have one week where a Key player isn't getting hurt please?


Good:

Case Kennum to the rescue. I'm so glad the Vikes brought this guy in, I love his attitude.

Kyle Rudolph sighting.

Last night gave me hope that they can get by with the combo of McKinnin, Murray and creative use of the receivers to make up for some of the loss of Cook. The threat won't be the same but at least they can have something to keep the defense honest.

Defense eventually stepped up and when you look at it all of the points that Chicago scored were on very fluky plays. Bradford's safety, the fake punt, the batted pass right into the TE's hands and the trick play.


Questions going forward:

I'm anxious to see how Floyd will fit into the offense. He's a big body Deep threat and the Vikes have shown a willingness to chuck it down field this year. He could come up big. It stinks that Diggs is hurting now. That would be a pretty good 3 WR set with Floyd, Diggs and Theilen w/ Rudolph at TE all on the field at the same time.

The QB lineup going forward. Right now they have Sam, Case and Sloter, With Teddy due back in the coming weeks.

I've been wondering how they will deal with Activating Teddy for a while. That would make 4 QB's and they would have a decision to make on Sloter. Given how hard the fight was to get this guy after Denver let him go I don't think there is any way they can sneak him back through waivers onto the Practice squad. I would like to see them keep him seeing as he's the closest thing to a developmental prospect for the future.

Maybe Sam ends up on IR? If Sam ends up on IR, that will clear it up and they can keep Sloter on the roster.


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Really need to have Slotter active next week. Vikes are playing with fire having only one healthy QB active.


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I have to disagree with those of you thinking that the reffing was biased towards the Vikings. Clearly, that's what Gruden wanted us to think. He was so pro-Bears that I had to turn off the sound and play the Vikings radio broadcast through my phone in the first half. The first two penalties he disputed were the obvious offensive PI, where the receiver pushed off the Vikes defender's helmet, and the first holding penalty on the offensive lineman, which was just classic holding. As to the holding on the sweep that scored the TD, our view was obstructed, so we (and Gruden) couldn't see the Bears player's hands.

By the second half, the Vikes were playing better, so I could take listening to Gruden and his obvious desire to see Trubisky lead the Bears on a game-winning drive.


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I'm just wondering if you might see Bradford put on IR with the designation to return. A lot probably all depends on how Teddy looks.

I am not sure we got such a bargain when we gave up a 7th for Brock. He had 2 costly Penalties last night.
And had a bad game against the Lions. So far he has been doing more harm than good.

The touchdown on the fake punt was ridiculous...heads should roll over that play.

Hopefully Murray progresses from the Bears game. I know it was his first game back.


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I'm just wondering if you might see Bradford put on IR with the designation to return. A lot probably all depends on how Teddy looks.

I am not sure we got such a bargain when we gave up a 7th for Brock. He had 2 costly Penalties last night.
And had a bad game against the Lions. So far he has been doing more harm than good.

The touchdown on the fake punt was ridiculous...heads should roll over that play.

Hopefully Murray progresses from the Bears game. I know it was his first game back.


Again, if you watched Murray close enough on his first 6 carries, they ranged from 3-8 yards every time which is pretty good. Then he got the ball very sporadically after that.

As for Teddy, doesnt he have to practice for 3 full weeks before he can play?

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I have to disagree with those of you thinking that the reffing was biased towards the Vikings. Clearly, that's what Gruden wanted us to think. He was so pro-Bears that I had to turn off the sound and play the Vikings radio broadcast through my phone in the first half. The first two penalties he disputed were the obvious offensive PI, where the receiver pushed off the Vikes defender's helmet, and the first holding penalty on the offensive lineman, which was just classic holding. As to the holding on the sweep that scored the TD, our view was obstructed, so we (and Gruden) couldn't see the Bears player's hands.

By the second half, the Vikes were playing better, so I could take listening to Gruden and his obvious desire to see Trubisky lead the Bears on a game-winning drive.


I think the reffing was evenly bad. I was actually mad at the holding call at the end on the Bears' DE. That was awful. The offensive PI against the Bears' WR was bad too. The holding call on Waynes was dumb because the QB was running... why the hell would a defender hold someone when someone else is running the ball? I was shocked they picked up the flag on Sendejo's hit.

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I have to disagree with those of you thinking that the reffing was biased towards the Vikings. Clearly, that's what Gruden wanted us to think. He was so pro-Bears that I had to turn off the sound and play the Vikings radio broadcast through my phone in the first half. The first two penalties he disputed were the obvious offensive PI, where the receiver pushed off the Vikes defender's helmet, and the first holding penalty on the offensive lineman, which was just classic holding. As to the holding on the sweep that scored the TD, our view was obstructed, so we (and Gruden) couldn't see the Bears player's hands.

By the second half, the Vikes were playing better, so I could take listening to Gruden and his obvious desire to see Trubisky lead the Bears on a game-winning drive.

Thank you for saying this. I was beginning to think I was the only one. I've never seen Jon Gruden so blatantly biased. It was sickening. Even my wife, who barely watches, asked if we were watching Bears announcers. She wasn't being facetious.

Seriously, what kind of national broadcaster says, "How great would it be to see Mitchell Trubisky lead this team on a game-winning drive"? Ridiculous!

I don't get KFAN where I am. Wonder if the Vikings game broadcasts are on iHeart Radio. Probably not.

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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
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I'm just wondering if you might see Bradford put on IR with the designation to return. A lot probably all depends on how Teddy looks.

I am not sure we got such a bargain when we gave up a 7th for Brock. He had 2 costly Penalties last night.
And had a bad game against the Lions. So far he has been doing more harm than good.

The touchdown on the fake punt was ridiculous...heads should roll over that play.

Hopefully Murray progresses from the Bears game. I know it was his first game back.


Again, if you watched Murray close enough on his first 6 carries, they ranged from 3-8 yards every time which is pretty good. Then he got the ball very sporadically after that.

As for Teddy, doesnt he have to practice for 3 full weeks before he can play?



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Eric Sugarman quote on Teddy Bridgewater: "He will be reevaluated by his surgeon next Monday and then we'll take it from there.''

Vikings have 3 weeks before they have to decide if they are going to put Teddy on the active 53 man roster. Or he goes to Pup/IR


Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:03 pm
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