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It's also entirely possible that Zimmer and co made a calculated bet that they lose a tough road game early in an effort to preserve Bradford's knee. We have to remember that we do not know as much as the Vikings do. Any conjecture is more WAG (Wild A-- Guess) than anything else.

Another perspective is that outside of probably ATL, the NFC is again a total dumpster fire. Dallas got completely man-handled my the Broncos (which was predicable, they played a cream puff schedule last year.) and now Elliot's off the field issues are about to spin out of control. ARI so far has played far below expectations. SEA is basically the 2016 Vikings, but with worse skill position players. Green Bay is again a one man show, but with a worse OL.

Patience my friends. There is still plenty of opportunity this season. If you want to get mad about something, get mad about the fact that the NFC has been prime for the taking the last two seasons and the injury bug has prevented our roster from capitalizing. THAT sucks.


I thought along the same lines and hope it's right. A loss on the road game against an AFC team may have little, if any, impact on the Vikings playoff scenario, so it might have been a good game to sit out.

If the Vikings miss the playoffs by one game, I'm gonna be pissed. :lol:


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That would be irritating, but then again, if they need that one game just to get in, then their odds of winning the big game are probably not great either.

The first 6 games in the NFL are really annoying. Teams basically "tune up" and at the same time hope/pray that injuries do not wipe out their season. (see 2016 Vikings) The preseason and practice rules are really a detriment to the league right now IMO. They need to figure that out so that the product that hits the field in September is better tuned and at the same time you do not see a star player go down in a pre-season game that means nothing.

My hope is the Vikings can navigate the next 4 weeks and escape unscathed and firing on all cylinders.

Thursday night football needs to go away also. It is fine for week one since you can set the schedules ahead for it in the pre-season, but after that the games are just awful. It is bad the players and the product that is produced is bad for the fans.

Sorry for the soapbox.

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Thanksgiving is always on a Thursday and football is needed that day.

My thought on Thurday games are only teams coming off of a bye should have to play on Thursday, work it into the schedule that way. Teams would never have to go into a game with less days to prepare then.


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I honestly think Detroit will be near the top of the Nfc if they stay healthy. With that said, on paper, the Vikings are better, IMO. I really hope Bradford gets better. I am so sick of being close to something and then having it ripped away for one reason of another.

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If the Vikings miss the playoffs by one game, I'm gonna be pissed. :lol:


Kai Forbath's game winning kick is blocked, by TJ Clemmings, the subsequent ricochet hits Zimmer in the eyeball.


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PacificNorseWest wrote:
If the Vikings miss the playoffs by one game, I'm gonna be pissed. :lol:


Kai Forbath's game winning kick is blocked, by TJ Clemmings, the subsequent ricochet hits Zimmer in the eyeball.


ugh....that could happen


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That would be the most Vikings way to miss the post season.

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Kai Forbath's game winning kick is blocked, by TJ Clemmings, the subsequent ricochet hits Zimmer in the eyeball.



:lol: :lol: :lol: I'm dying

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PacificNorseWest wrote:
If the Vikings miss the playoffs by one game, I'm gonna be pissed. :lol:


Kai Forbath's game winning kick is blocked, by TJ Clemmings, the subsequent ricochet hits Zimmer in the eyeball.



His good eyeball or his bad eyeball? lol


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I honestly think Detroit will be near the top of the Nfc if they stay healthy. With that said, on paper, the Vikings are better, IMO. I really hope Bradford gets better. I am so sick of being close to something and then having it ripped away for one reason of another.

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Hard to say. They played 2 pretty bad teams. Against the giants, they needed a big play by their rb to win. In fact their rb had more yards than Stafford. I think the jury is still out on the Lions. This week against the Falcons should show if they're for real or not

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PacificNorseWest wrote:
If the Vikings miss the playoffs by one game, I'm gonna be pissed. [emoji38]


Kai Forbath's game winning kick is blocked, by TJ Clemmings, the subsequent ricochet hits Zimmer in the eyeball.
And Blair Walsh wins the super bowl with an extra point after a last second touchdown.

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I hope the Mods for this site is ok with me asking this question. I apologize if it's not appropriate.

Does anyone think Sam Bradford's non contact injury was a long term contract negotiation ploy?


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I hope the Mods for this site is ok with me asking this question. I apologize if it's not appropriate.

Does anyone think Sam Bradford's non contact injury was a long term contract negotiation ploy?


Frankly, I am not sure how that would work as a contract ploy. Maybe I am missing something here and others have ideas.

OTOH, choosing to sit out for additional time to evaluate and/or heal, in order to maintain better play throughout the season rending a good contract later in the season (or end thereof) might be the case.

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Frankly, I am not sure how that would work as a contract ploy. Maybe I am missing something here and others have ideas.

OTOH, choosing to sit out for additional time to evaluate and/or heal, in order to maintain better play throughout the season rending a good contract later in the season (or end thereof) might be the case.

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I think this could be pretty accurate.


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I think discussions on contracts are very premature. If Sam puts together another 4000+ yard season (he looked like he was on pace for 4500 or 5000 yards in week 1) then his knee will be a small consideration, if at all. Reason being: There will be at least 10 other teams that will gladly pay him since their QB sucks and QB is the be all, end all in the NFL. Look no further than our game last week if you need convincing. Same team, only one position was different and we couldn't find the end zone.

The real wild card is Teddy Bridgewater. What happens with him? There are all kinds of scenarios that play out. Maybe Bradford's knee is on again / off again, then TB comes in off the bench in week 8 and lights it up. Then what?

What if TB doesn't see any action in 2017? Now his bargaining power is greatly reduced.

There are So many different ways this can play out. It is impossible to conjecture on the contract situation without having seen more games.

My guess is this: If Bradford is sniffing 4000 yards and fewer than 10 INT by week 15 we might see a contract extension announced. The Vikings will not want him on the open market if he is putting up great to elite stats by that point. If he is injured, misses more time, or falls off the wagon performance wise then all bets are off. But it depends....

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I think discussions on contracts are very premature. If Sam puts together another 4000+ yard season (he looked like he was on pace for 4500 or 5000 yards in week 1) then his knee will be a small consideration, if at all. Reason being: There will be at least 10 other teams that will gladly pay him since their QB sucks and QB is the be all, end all in the NFL. Look no further than our game last week if you need convincing. Same team, only one position was different and we couldn't find the end zone.

The real wild card is Teddy Bridgewater. What happens with him? There are all kinds of scenarios that play out. Maybe Bradford's knee is on again / off again, then TB comes in off the bench in week 8 and lights it up. Then what?

What if TB doesn't see any action in 2017? Now his bargaining power is greatly reduced.

There are So many different ways this can play out. It is impossible to conjecture on the contract situation without having seen more games.

My guess is this: If Bradford is sniffing 4000 yards and fewer than 10 INT by week 15 we might see a contract extension announced. The Vikings will not want him on the open market if he is putting up great to elite stats by that point. If he is injured, misses more time, or falls off the wagon performance wise then all bets are off. But it depends....



I am not so sure. I know a lot of folks have been "Teddy Who" as of late but the Vikings have hung on to him and my gut tells me they WANT to see him play football, hes younger and in theory, if his knee holds up, has more upside long term then Bradford does, potentially. I think even if Sam is having a monster season You will see Teddy get legitimate play time whether thats the start in full games after the Playoffs are locked down or coming in for full quarters of games we have a two score lead in, Teddy will get play time. They want Teddy to see action because either it puts to rest any doubts they have in their mind or that 7th round pick could sky rocket if Teddy lights it up.


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Frankly, I am not sure how that would work as a contract ploy. Maybe I am missing something here and others have ideas.


Other thoughts?

Essential what I am accusing Bradford of is holding the organization hostage. He has proven that he is the best QB in the club. This being the modern NFL, a franchise QB has that type of power.


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PsyDanny wrote:

Frankly, I am not sure how that would work as a contract ploy. Maybe I am missing something here and others have ideas.


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Essential what I am accusing Bradford of is holding the organization hostage. He has proven that he is the best QB in the club. This being the modern NFL, a franchise QB has that type of power.
Sam has swelling in a knee that he has had two surgeries on. I hardly think he is trying to get more money from the team.

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I don't trust either of their knees yet. It's really not a good situation. If either or both of them pans out, then hooray. But if they both prove physically unreliable, as has been their histories to this point, then a whole season is wasted figuring this out..if it is even known by the end of this year. I mean it could blow up next season when one of them is signed to an extension.
Meanwhile the teams window, which I find to be significantly open, gets that much smaller, even if it's only in terms of not be able to keep specific players due to cap constraints. I am not that up to snuff on that reality to know for sure.

The o-line has a ways to go of course, but this team, AGAIN, is a qb away from making a serious run. History repeating itself over and over.


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Chris Tomasson‏ @christomasson 31s32 seconds ago

ESPN reports that Sam Bradford is seeking second opinion on knee from Dr. James Andrews, not expected to play Sunday.

Frickin Vikings are the curse I continue to carry.

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Ian Rapoport Retweeted Dan Graziano

Case Keenum was taking first-team reps, and source confirms Sam Bradford is out Sunday.


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isn't james andrews like the grim reaper of knees?


Put Sloter in!


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They need to figure that out so that the product that hits the field in September is better tuned and at the same time you do not see a star player go down in a pre-season game that means nothing.

If the NFL moved to "flag" or "two-hand-touch-below-the-waist," I'm guessing we'd see fewer injuries. Other than that, I'm not sure how you limit them.


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Source: Vikings QB Sam Bradford is not expected to play Sunday. Knee didn't respond well to practice work this week. Next steps beyond this week are unclear.


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Seriously, I would rather see Sloter than Keenum.


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I really don't think Keenum played all that bad last week.

1. His line played like garbage.
2. Put in Sirles at LG please.
3. Give the ball to Cook more, no more RB rotation.
4. Full week of prep as starter this week.
5. Home game.


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I really don't think Keenum played all that bad last week.

1. His line played like garbage.
2. Put in Sirles at LG please.
3. Give the ball to Cook more, no more RB rotation.
4. Full week of prep as starter this week.
5. Home game.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWvQBYF8FwE

He does look legit though, I really really doubt they would start him over Keenum unless he got hurt.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWvQBYF8FwE

He does look legit though, I really really doubt they would start him over Keenum unless he got hurt.


The thing is, it would be nice to see Sloter get a few reps in the 4th but I doubt that will happen.


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I really don't think Keenum played all that bad last week.

1. His line played like garbage.
2. Put in Sirles at LG please.
3. Give the ball to Cook more, no more RB rotation.
4. Full week of prep as starter this week.
5. Home game.

It's true Keenum did not play bad...he also did absolutely nothing to make a difference. granted he was not expected to play.

a game manager is not what this team needs. IMO a legit nfl qb needs to show an aptitude for making plays and overcoming any shortcomings in front of him.
the crappy thing about the zimmer era for me is that fact that his defense has been so good and keeps the game close enough that marginal qb play is actually tolerable to them. as a result, just about any semi experienced qb could win or barely lose a game for this team. mired in mediocrity, as they say.
bradford was the first qb in zimmers time to actually display a full arsenal of qb capacity(sans mobility). in spite of a historically bad line last season he set records and in his first game this season had the best game for a viking qb since 2009.

i would have a very short hook on keenam.....i think this team needs to take a "shot downfield".
i think this organization creates it's own luck with some of it's conservative tendencies.


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Norv Zimmer wrote:
I really don't think Keenum played all that bad last week.

1. His line played like garbage.
2. Put in Sirles at LG please.
3. Give the ball to Cook more, no more RB rotation.
4. Full week of prep as starter this week.
5. Home game.

It's true Keenum did not play bad...he also did absolutely nothing to make a difference. granted he was not expected to play.

a game manager is not what this team needs. IMO a legit nfl qb needs to show an aptitude for making plays and overcoming any shortcomings in front of him.
the crappy thing about the zimmer era for me is that fact that his defense has been so good and keeps the game close enough that marginal qb play is actually tolerable to them. as a result, just about any semi experienced qb could win or barely lose a game for this team. mired in mediocrity, as they say.
bradford was the first qb in zimmers time to actually display a full arsenal of qb capacity(sans mobility). in spite of a historically bad line last season he set records and in his first game this season had the best game for a viking qb since 2009.

i would have a very short hook on keenam.....i think this team needs to take a "shot downfield".
i think this organization creates it's own luck with some of it's conservative tendencies.


I concur, what pisses me off most about this team is how on 3rd and 15 they run a draw play to Mckinnon instead of throwing it deep.


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