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Wow. This is hilarious.

Stay off VMB for ONE DAY, and Spieldope has completely buried himself under his "expert opinions."

A word of advice, Spieldope. Go away. You're not an expert. You're not educating anyone. You're simply ... annoying. Like a 3-year-old who continually pees his pants just because he CAN and it's fun to pi$$ off his parents.

You are now on my foe list. Enjoy kindergarten.


:lol: :lol: I literally just laughed out loud at this

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See you're using overall game stats again trying to bash Teddys great performances. You think his 7.2 YPA is an aberration? The Vikings in 2015 had far fewer possessions for and against. You can't use TD's per game or Scoring per game. You need to use PPD to see how the offense and defense really were. We went over this several times yet you still can't figure it out. The Defense was 12th in the NFL and the Offense was 14th. Both slightly above avg.

In 2016 the Offense dropped to 22nd in the league (was 28th before the garbage time in the Bears game BTW!) in PPD. The defense got much better last year leading the team to it's first 5 wins. Eventually they gave in though as the offense continued to be near dead last in scoring. They could only do so much. The fell back to 7th in PPD to finish the year.

Teddy did a remarkable job in 2015. Not many QB's could win 11 games in that situation. Having AP hinders the passing game, not only were they predictable. He couldn't pass block well. So much more then Avg the defense knew it was a pass because when the run failed on 1st and 2nd down all the pressure was on Teddy to pick up the 3rd and 5-10 or whatever. He managed to do a great ob. Remember again, the pass blocking was horrible, part of which of course was due to the predictable play calling and the inability of the RB to pass block.

But again, you refuse to stop arguing. Like I said, you arent changing anyones mind. You're wasting your time and energy at this point trying to prove any more to us. It just isnt working.


It's not an argument. You don't understand reality so I have to educate you. You keep repeating meaningless stats. If you watched the games in 2015 you'd know Teddy was a great player that season. Heck he went to the Probowl (sure as an alternate, but still went!).

So I suppose all those Probowl voters are fools too? :tongue:


Dude omg. Fans are part of the pro bowl voting dude. The QBs in the pro bowl that year were Carr, Tyrod, Eli, Wilson, Teddy and Winston!!! Who the hell else is going to play in the pro bowl when literally every elite to legit NFL QB was not playing in it. I think next in line was Ryan Fitzpatrick if they didnt choose Teddy. Fricken Tyrod Taylor made it for god sakes. I live near Buffalo and watch them a lot. He's not a good QB. At all.

You're really trying to "educate me" by using pro bowl voting :lol: :lol:

No less you just said Teddy was a GREAT player that year. He was at best average. He threw 14 TDs in 17 games. Barely threw for over 3000 yards. Quit using the excuse of AP hindering the pass offense. Brett Favre threw 33 touchdowns in '09 and AP went for 1400 and 18 TDs. He didnt hinder the pass offense. We just didnt have good QBs here since he's been around outside of Favre and Teddy was a far, far second. Thats probably the biggest joke of an excuse that I've ever heard. Who hindered Teddy's production in '14?? Since AP wasnt around??? Because he also threw 14 TDs that year along with 12 INTs.

Your excuses are lame man. Trust me, there is a reason not a single person on here agrees with your take. And you cant take the hint. Instead, you're putting yourself in the same sentence as "experts" :lol: This argument alone has made me realize your football knowledge is as low as it goes. I have you foed. I'm not reading anymore of your posts. You've wasted enough of my time and energy. I'm mad at myself that I actually put this much time into it. Instead of trying to come on here and "educate" us, maybe you should go try and educate yourself first


If making the Probowl was that easy then what year did Bradford make the Probowl again? I'm guessing he must have at least 3-4 in 7 years?

oops, ZERO! :appl:

Voting by the fans? Time to educate you again.

The NFL Probowl rosters are determined using the votes of fans, players and coaches, with each group counting for one-third of the value.

So essentially most of the Fans, Coaches and Players think Bradford sucks, because he never has made a Probowl.

But YOU are the real expert huh? Nice try kid. :lol:


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Why is this being allowed?

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From the looks of it Cliff isn't on yet. That's why this is why it's happened for so long probably. Either that or the mods need a laugh once in a while.


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Fans are part of the pro bowl voting dude.


Point is Coaches and Players are the majority vote. So Teddy has made the Probowl and Sam Hasn't. Teddy is 1 for 3 and

-Sam is 0 for 7.

Teddy has 1 winning season, what should have been 1 playoff victory with the game winning drive in the last minute and

-Sam is 0 - 7. No winnings season. Never played in a playoff game.

Eventually any good QB gets it done at least once. You can't make excuses for a guy forever. Like Steve McNair made it to the Superbowl with Jeff Fisher.

So Sam has never had a winning season. Has a career pass YPA of 6.6 amongst the bottom end QB's. Never won a playoff game. Never a pro bowl even. Has had two ACL's and now long term arthritis maybe, i.e. can't play. Yet you think he is better then Teddy? :whistle:

I'm not trying to bash the guy, just tell you the facts. Of any QB in the league Sam is likely the easiest to Sack with his poor mobility and pocket presence. That's where lots of people don't see why he isn't good. It's always someone else's fault. You need to be able to evade the rush, side step the rush, move up in the pocket and make throws. That's where he fails. The avg Joe just sees the pressure, they don't see the reason the pressure got there annd made the sack had lots to do with the QB not making the throw quicker or eluding the rush extending the play. He looks good with the Red jersey on, too bad they play tackle on Sundays.


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As others may have mentioned, you can put the arrogance to rest, or take it to the PM's, lest you suffer the fate of jordysghost. Also, some friendly advice, colorful nicknames do not help your argument. It's Spielman and Bradford. Nothing else. If you have a problem with that, this is not the place for you then. To get this thread on track, does anybody have any updates on Sam?


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As others may have mentioned, you can put the arrogance to rest, or take it to the PM's, lest you suffer the fate of jordysghost. Also, some friendly advice, colorful nicknames do not help your argument. It's Spielman and Bradford. Nothing else. If you have a problem with that, this is not the place for you then. To get this thread on track, does anybody have any updates on Sam?
I read somewhere rat Teddy may be activated this weekend? I wonder if he would play if Keenum can't?

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As others may have mentioned, you can put the arrogance to rest, or take it to the PM's, lest you suffer the fate of jordysghost. Also, some friendly advice, colorful nicknames do not help your argument. It's Spielman and Bradford. Nothing else. If you have a problem with that, this is not the place for you then. To get this thread on track, does anybody have any updates on Sam?


It's all in good fun mate. Some people can't handle being wrong and others are simply slow learners. As fans we can't accept mediocrity anymore and expect to see a SB. Thats why we need to hold our Front office accountable. If the purple goggled homers get offended so be it.


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Again statements like that does not help your case. Everyone here wants what's best for Minnesota, but you cannot make presumptions that people here are homers. Everyone here has made silly statements about what's best for the team, but it should be noted you have thrown rather backhanded insults around (as others have done too). That is against the rules. Want my opinion? Stop arguing and drop the subject. We're all friends here and I'd prefer it stay that way. It would be a shame if you and PHP were banned over something silly like Teddy vs. Bradford and stats that are not infallible.


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Some people can't handle being wrong and others are simply slow learners.


Please enlighten those of us who are in error and are not sufficient to your standards.

Or maybe better yet, just leave. Your condescension is showing.

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To get this thread on track, does anybody have any updates on Sam?

Thank you.

Unfortunately, no news on Sam. The Vikings have been remarkably tight-lipped about him since the Chinese fire drill in Chicago.

Only word is that he made the trip to London but sat out Thursday's practice.

Case Keenum was limited, as well. Sure hope the O-line can keep him clean Sunday. Last week, he didn't even take a single hit. We need that again. Really don't want to hand the keys over to an untested rookie.

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Some may find this strange, but I find Bradford traveling all the way to England to be a good sign. I dunno but my reasoning would be with the problems he has been having lately, travelling by air for that long must mean his leg is at least good enough for air travel or else he would have never been brought along. I could be wrong though and just rambling; I am very drunk at the moment lol.


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Again statements like that does not help your case. Everyone here wants what's best for Minnesota, but you cannot make presumptions that people here are homers. Everyone here has made silly statements about what's best for the team, but it should be noted you have thrown rather backhanded insults around (as others have done too). That is against the rules. Want my opinion? Stop arguing and drop the subject. We're all friends here and I'd prefer it stay that way. It would be a shame if you and PHP were banned over something silly like Teddy vs. Bradford and stats that are not infallible.


I didn't know being a Homer was such a horrible thing. :beerock:


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Is this place moderated anymore?

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It is. It was my fault for activating him in the first place. With the name I should have known better.

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Rhodes Closed wrote:
As others may have mentioned, you can put the arrogance to rest, or take it to the PM's, lest you suffer the fate of jordysghost. Also, some friendly advice, colorful nicknames do not help your argument. It's Spielman and Bradford. Nothing else. If you have a problem with that, this is not the place for you then. To get this thread on track, does anybody have any updates on Sam?
I read somewhere rat Teddy may be activated this weekend? I wonder if he would play if Keenum can't?

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I think keenum plays this week and I think, if healthy, they need to play teddy after the bye. If teddy is healthy they need to see what they have. Is he the long term answer? I don't think Bradford is here after the year is over and if teddy is not the long term solution then they need to make a move on cousins. I understand he will be expensive but this team, this defense, is ready to win it all. I firmly believe that. Imagine this team right now with one of the young quarterbacks. Imagine this team with wentz. How good would it feel to have that security for a dozen years. I really hope teddy can come back and be a playmaker, really lead this team. If not, I fear this team will fall apart and the opportunity wasted.


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Rhodes Closed wrote:
Again statements like that does not help your case. Everyone here wants what's best for Minnesota, but you cannot make presumptions that people here are homers. Everyone here has made silly statements about what's best for the team, but it should be noted you have thrown rather backhanded insults around (as others have done too). That is against the rules. Want my opinion? Stop arguing and drop the subject. We're all friends here and I'd prefer it stay that way. It would be a shame if you and PHP were banned over something silly like Teddy vs. Bradford and stats that are not infallible.


Agreed and thank you. And again, my apologies for continuing on with him. When he started to come after Kapp and I, that's when I started to lose it. Hopefully it's done and over with and he is gone.

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J. Kapp 11 wrote:
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To get this thread on track, does anybody have any updates on Sam?

Thank you.

Unfortunately, no news on Sam. The Vikings have been remarkably tight-lipped about him since the Chinese fire drill in Chicago.

Only word is that he made the trip to London but sat out Thursday's practice.

Case Keenum was limited, as well. Sure hope the O-line can keep him clean Sunday. Last week, he didn't even take a single hit. We need that again. Really don't want to hand the keys over to an untested rookie.

This QB situation is playing out like a daytime soap. "As The QB Turns". Will Teddy play again? Will Sam ever start for the Vikings again? Case you missed it.....lol

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To get this thread on track, does anybody have any updates on Sam?

Sam is ruled out for sunday according to a notification I just received from the NFL app on my phone


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To get this thread on track, does anybody have any updates on Sam?

Sam is ruled out for sunday according to a notification I just received from the NFL app on my phone


Yeah they'd be stupid to play him. We play Cleveland and the bye is next week. Give you two more weeks rest

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I stand by what drunken me said last night lol. If Bradford is able to commit to air travel for that long, he must be in better shape than thought, in my opinion at least. I don't think we'll see him play obviously, but I got a good feeling after the bye to be honest.


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I think after the bye week they'll need to see what they have in Bridgewater. I think there may be some concern in the Bradford camp about his injury history.

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This may have been said earlier, but honestly I don't want to read the whole thread to check. If Sam's knee was truly hopeless they wouldn't have wasted any time putting him on IR to free up a roster spot. So either there is some level of legitimate hope he can play again this year. Or they are playing a waiting and see game. Maybe they are planning on activating Bridgewater and then putting Sam on IR effectively giving Teddy Sam's spot on the roster.

It's such a curious situation.


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This may have been said earlier, but honestly I don't want to read the whole thread to check. If Sam's knee was truly hopeless they wouldn't have wasted any time putting him on IR to free up a roster spot. So either there is some level of legitimate hope he can play again this year. Or they are playing a waiting and see game. Maybe they are planning on activating Bridgewater and then putting Sam on IR effectively giving Teddy Sam's spot on the roster.

It's such a curious situation.


That could be too. Never really thought about it that way

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This may have been said earlier, but honestly I don't want to read the whole thread to check. If Sam's knee was truly hopeless they wouldn't have wasted any time putting him on IR to free up a roster spot. So either there is some level of legitimate hope he can play again this year. Or they are playing a waiting and see game. Maybe they are planning on activating Bridgewater and then putting Sam on IR effectively giving Teddy Sam's spot on the roster.

It's such a curious situation.
I'm afraid the didn't expect the severity of the injury, and at this point they're just hoping to have him back by Week 16 in case Teddy can't go. I don't think there's any real optimism surrounding that knee anymore.


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This may have been said earlier, but honestly I don't want to read the whole thread to check. If Sam's knee was truly hopeless they wouldn't have wasted any time putting him on IR to free up a roster spot. So either there is some level of legitimate hope he can play again this year. Or they are playing a waiting and see game. Maybe they are planning on activating Bridgewater and then putting Sam on IR effectively giving Teddy Sam's spot on the roster.

It's such a curious situation.
I'm afraid the didn't expect the severity of the injury, and at this point they're just hoping to have him back by Week 16 in case Teddy can't go. I don't think there's any real optimism surrounding that knee anymore.


NFLN reporting he's still dealing with pain and won't be ready soon. No timeline for his return.

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