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Re: Bradfords knee??

Post by FireSpieldope » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:35 pm

Pondering Her Percy wrote: Dude what?? He had a 1500+ rusher standing behind him in 2015. So when was the running game putting him at 3rd and 8??? Whatever that post is sounds like a poor excuse to be honest. I'm not sure where you even came up with what you said.

If the running game was putting him at 3rd and 8, they've must've been putting Sam at 3rd and 15 because Teddy had a lot more behind him than Sam did other than the 1 game he had with Cook. Sam had the worst running game in the NFL last year. Sam had a 99.3 QBR last year compared to Teddy's best at 88.7. Sam has a 70.3 completion percentage since he's left St. Louis. Which shatters Teddy's 64.9.

When you compare the two:

Sam has better:
-Accuracy
-Arm strength
-Release
-Vision

Teddy has better:
-Mobility
-Intangibles

I mean that probably sums it all up. I dont think a healthy Sam is THAT much better than a healthy Teddy but I still think Bradford is the better overall QB.
Teddy also has better pocket presence, leadership and I'll give him vision also.

The point is they relied heavily on the run in 2015, so IF the running game stalled a couple plays leaving 3rd and 8 it was up to Teddy to pick up the first down. I like how you ignored EVERYTHING else that goes to Teddy also. The offense was very predictable in 2015 which put more pressure on the passing game. Don't forget the OLine still sucked, so it's not like he had much time to throw either.

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Re: Bradfords knee??

Post by 808vikingsfan » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:09 pm

Pondering Her Percy wrote: Comparing the first two years is fair. The Rams had one year of a decent defense. It was the same year they were in the playoff hunt but lost to Seattle week 17 to get knocked out. Outside of that, yes the Rams were terrible. I watched them a lot, my father is a die hard fan. Their OL was terrible and WRs/TEs were even worse. Steven Jackson was all that team had. You mention how Bradford will play in "meaningful" games but if you look, Teddy wasnt a whole lot better. Denver getting strip sacked to end the game, Arizona getting strip sacked to end the game. I mean it's not like Teddy went out there in big games and won them on his own very often if ever. That's the point I'm trying to make with Teddy. Seems like a lot of guys are on the Teddy train when in the end, he hasnt done much more than Bradford, possibly even less. Teddy had 1 year at 11-5 but had the best RB in football behind him. Sam never had that luxury with us. And again, he had the opportunity but of course Cook has to go down.
Although I agree Peterson was a big factor in the 11-5 season, what happened to all the other seasons when he was here? Like I mentioned before, Peterson was here for a long time. In that time, the Vikings had only one season with a better record (Favre) and that was a pretty magical season. Maybe it doesn't jump out on a stat sheet, but I believe Teddy had a lot to do with the Vikings reaching the 11 win mark.
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Re: Bradfords knee??

Post by 808vikingsfan » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:26 pm

S197 wrote: I would too.

Unfortunately what we're likely to have for the rest of the year is a moderately healthy Sam or Teddy, at best. In that case, the scales start to tip towards the guy who can make plays with his feet. When Elflein got driven into the backfield on one of the Bear's sacks, Sam more or less just crumpled untouched. The DT was right there but Elflein was still between the two and he really made no effort to escape.

Later in the game Keenum picked up a crucial 1st down on 3rd and long with his feet. There's no way Bradford can make that run in his current condition. Of course the wildcard is will Teddy be mobile like he was pre-injury? That remains to be seen.
3 of the 4 sacks could have been avoided with a healthy QB IMO. Even his handoffs looked half-*ssed from the start. He shouldn't have been out there. You could tell he was hurting.
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Re: Bradfords knee??

Post by Pondering Her Percy » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:43 am

808vikingsfan wrote:
Although I agree Peterson was a big factor in the 11-5 season, what happened to all the other seasons when he was here? Like I mentioned before, Peterson was here for a long time. In that time, the Vikings had only one season with a better record (Favre) and that was a pretty magical season. Maybe it doesn't jump out on a stat sheet, but I believe Teddy had a lot to do with the Vikings reaching the 11 win mark.
Oh I agree. I said it before, Teddy is a winner. But if you have Cook or a non-washed up Peterson behind Bradford for a whole season, do you believe he could go 11-5 or better?? I sure do. Teddy's stats dont pop but he found ways to win
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Re: Bradfords knee??

Post by 808vikingsfan » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:26 am

Pondering Her Percy wrote: Oh I agree. I said it before, Teddy is a winner. But if you have Cook or a non-washed up Peterson behind Bradford for a whole season, do you believe he could go 11-5 or better?? I sure do. Teddy's stats dont pop but he found ways to win

I really don't know Bradford could've lead the 2015 Vikings to 11 wins or more. In 2009, the Vikings had Favre who threw for over 4200yds. They had Peterson and Chester Taylor. They had Sidney, Percy, Shiancoe. They had the Williams wall and Jared Allen. That team was stacked. Yet they only won one more game than the 2015 Vikings. Do you know how many times the Vikings won 11 or more since 1977? Six. Only 6 times in 40 years. It's rare for a Vikings team to get to 11 wins. Yet we somehow think all you need is a stud RB, a QB that can rack up stats and 11 wins should be rather easy. It's not.

So I can honestly say I really don't know if the team would be better with Bradford. I like him. I like how he can fit his throws into small windows. I like his deep ball. I like how he hangs in the pocket. But to me, Sam is still an unknown when it comes to a successful season. Those awful years in St. Louis. Maybe Sam gave up too? Maybe he was part of the cancer? I've never played organized football before but I have to think if things are going bad, having a QB that can be positive in the huddle can make a big difference compared to a QB like Cutler. I think the leadership part of a QB is something that needs to be taken into account when teams are successful as well as when they tank.

Eh. I really don't know what I'm trying to say. I like Bradford (healthy). I like Bridgewater. I like Case too. Heck, even Sloter gets me a little excited. I just want the Vikings to find a really good QB that can start 16 games a few years in a row.
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Re: Bradfords knee??

Post by Pondering Her Percy » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:00 am

808vikingsfan wrote:
Eh. I really don't know what I'm trying to say. I like Bradford (healthy). I like Bridgewater. I like Case too. Heck, even Sloter gets me a little excited. I just want the Vikings to find a really good QB that can start 16 games a few years in a row.
:lol: At least you're being honest!! I agree. There isnt a QB on this roster I dont like. It's just we've gotten hit with the bad luck bug again
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Post by Cliff » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:55 am

Pondering Her Percy wrote: :lol: At least you're being honest!! I agree. There isnt a QB on this roster I dont like. It's just we've gotten hit with the bad luck bug again
There isn't one I don't like but Teddy being able to come back completely healthy (body and mind) has the most upside in my opinion. Bradford is older and has a long injury history - it's basically impossible for him to come back completely healthy with all of the damage to that knee. Though it was severe, this was Bridgewater's first injury. Case is a backup precisely because he can't maintain a high level of play game in and game out.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if none of them were the starter going into next season.
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Re: Bradfords knee??

Post by mansquatch » Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:58 pm

Drew Brees UFA in 2018. Just say'in.
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Re: Bradfords knee??

Post by Laserman » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:12 pm

Norv Zimmer wrote:IMO Sam is done. I would be surprised if he doesn't go on IR soon.

I think it is the Keenum show for the rest of the year, there is a slim chance Teddy plays this year.
I said that two weeks ago and it's coming true. Keenum is the man like it or not

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Re: Bradfords knee??

Post by Laserman » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:15 pm

mansquatch wrote:Drew Brees UFA in 2018. Just say'in.
I'd be for that as long as we drafted and groomed a QB for the next three years. Trade Diggs for him, he can't stay healthy and stay on the field. Anthony Carter was his size or smaller and he stayed on the field and was a Better WR than digs too.

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Re: Bradfords knee??

Post by PurpleKoolaid » Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:08 pm

What is the winning percentage between Sam and Teddy. Thats the stat that matter. Teddy NEVER got to play behind an Oline which we have today either. Sam is just an injury waiting to happen.

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Post by Pondering Her Percy » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:42 pm

Laserman wrote: I'd be for that as long as we drafted and groomed a QB for the next three years. Trade Diggs for him, he can't stay healthy and stay on the field. Anthony Carter was his size or smaller and he stayed on the field and was a Better WR than digs too.
lol trade Diggs for a guy thats about to be a free agent this coming year? Uhhhh??? :shock:
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Re: Bradfords knee??

Post by 720pete » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:35 pm

PurpleKoolaid wrote:What is the winning percentage between Sam and Teddy. Thats the stat that matter. Teddy NEVER got to play behind an Oline which we have today either. Sam is just an injury waiting to happen.
Bradford is 8-8 I believe. He won 1 game this season and 7 games last season. Teddy all time is 17-11.

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Re: Bradfords knee??

Post by CbusVikesFan » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:06 pm

720pete wrote: Bradford is 8-8 I believe. He won 1 game this season and 7 games last season. Teddy all time is 17-11.
Don't look now but Case is 4-2! We would be happy if any one of the qb's has that record.
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Re: Bradfords knee??

Post by halfgiz » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:33 pm

With Sam Bradford (knee) also on the mend, Rapoport mentioned that the Vikings could be rapidly approaching a Week 10 scenario where Bradford, Bridgewater and interim starter Case Keenum are all healthy at once.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... e-earliest

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