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Author:  dead_poet [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:23 am ]
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Day 13
http://www.mnvikingscorner.com/2017/08/ ... n.html?m=1

Author:  mansquatch [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:30 am ]
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The run blocking news is encouraging. That was an area of tremendous weakness last season. The pass protection hasn't been as encouraging, but if they can get their YPC back up to a respective level from last year's terrible performance that will be a significant step forward on offense. It will also take pressure off the defense. A positive sign.

What is up with Trae Waynes? It feels like the guy is literally inches from being great.

Author:  mansquatch [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:58 am ]
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To provide some context to what the rushing could mean for the team:

In 2016 we had 380 attempts with a league worst 3.2 YPC.

An Average Offense in the NFL was closer to 409 carries with 4.2 YPC.

If we get to even average that is ~500 more yards of rushing or 31.25 yards per game. That is one more drive getting tinot the opponent's territory, and if you average over each drive it is probably another scoring opportunity at least. It will also translate to more TOP and probably for PF as well as helping win the field position battle for our defense.

Not as glamorous as passing stats by any means, but improving in this area will help that part of the offense as well. Encouraging news from the OL for a change. Hopefully they can keep it up and perform on Sundays.

Author:  dead_poet [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:37 am ]
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Reiff participating in walkthrough this morning.

Author:  dead_poet [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:43 am ]
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mansquatch wrote:
What is up with Trae Waynes? It feels like the guy is literally inches from being great.


Sounds like he's been in position a lot (positive step) but still lacks in ability or awareness of getting his head around. Probably one of the harder things to manage. Hopefully it'll come.

Author:  PacificNorseWest [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:25 pm ]
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Waynes is probably one of those players where we're going to have take the good with the bad. Lot's of PI's, lots of big plays.

Author:  mansquatch [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:08 pm ]
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The guys was fantastic physical talent. He can run with anybody. He just needs to learn to finish.

Reiff practicing is probably the best news of the camp so far.

Author:  S197 [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:51 pm ]
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I haven't heard very many negative things about Waynes coming out of camp. Most of it seems to be good coverage but Bradford fitting it in tight windows.

Author:  dead_poet [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:10 pm ]
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Robison, Brothers and Treadwell not practicing today.

Author:  PurpleMustReign [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:03 pm ]
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mansquatch wrote:
The guys was fantastic physical talent. He can run with anybody. He just needs to learn to finish.

Reiff practicing is probably the best news of the camp so far.
At least he is always around the ball rather than leaving his man open by 7 yards.

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Author:  dead_poet [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:36 pm ]
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Not able to make it to camp? These bloggers were there a couple of days and have some fun conversations, mostly about the offense. If you have the time, give them a listen.


Author:  dead_poet [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:39 pm ]
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Day 14 Notebook

http://www.mnvikingscorner.com/2017/08/ ... s.html?m=1

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Pass protection holds up better
This was one of the better days for the offensive line. They held up well in pass protection and there were less reps where the pocket collapsed. Right tackle Mike Remmers was winning more and left tackle Rashod Hill rebounded after a rough Monday. He won a rep against both Everson Griffen and Danielle Hunter during 1-on-1 work. He also handled them well in the team drills, providing the quarterbacks with more time to throw. There were less throws down the field, which also helped the amount of time blocks were held. Nonetheless, it was encouraging to see the tackle spots hold up well during 1-on-1 sessions, too. Leaving training camp, the one area everyone can feel better about is the run blocking. Rashod Hill and Mike Remmers have added so much value to this area of the offensive line. In addition, right guard Joe Berger had one of his best days. He won twice against defensive tackle Tom Johnson in 1-on-1 drills and opened a gaping hole for a Dalvin Cook run between the tackles. He has been up-and-down during camp, but performed better down the stretch.

Author:  JDLon [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:39 am ]
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For me I think the chances of improving against last season will largely come down to this:

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Cornerback Mackensie Alexander struggled to cover corner routes on Tuesday. He lost by a step to Isaac Fruetche and was unable to get his hands into the passing lane to break up a throw intended for wide receiver Jarius Wright. Alexander needs more reps to gain experience, so the preseason will be huge for him.


With Rhodes on one side Waynes and Alexander will see a lot of action anyway. Was it Rodgers who exposed Alexander as soon as he came on last season? Cap was solid in the slot, Alexander will need to have improved a lot from last year just to deliver that same standard.

Author:  autobon7 [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:14 am ]
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JDLon wrote:
For me I think the chances of improving against last season will largely come down to this:

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Cornerback Mackensie Alexander struggled to cover corner routes on Tuesday. He lost by a step to Isaac Fruetche and was unable to get his hands into the passing lane to break up a throw intended for wide receiver Jarius Wright. Alexander needs more reps to gain experience, so the preseason will be huge for him.


With Rhodes on one side Waynes and Alexander will see a lot of action anyway. Was it Rodgers who exposed Alexander as soon as he came on last season? Cap was solid in the slot, Alexander will need to have improved a lot from last year just to deliver that same standard.


This concerns me the most.....hope he gets the over the top help he may need until he settles in.

Author:  mansquatch [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:23 am ]
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I would keep in mind that Terrence Newman is still on the team, even if we haven't heard his name much in camp. Nickel or Slot CB is a question, but we are not without answers.

The biggest question for the team is if and how much the Offensive Line plan can improve. We are seeing that if provided an opportunity, our skill positions can make plays.

Also, I believe the performance of the Offense will be the single biggest contributor to improvement by the defense.

Author:  Texas Vike [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:06 pm ]
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mansquatch wrote:
I would keep in mind that Terrence Newman is still on the team, even if we haven't heard his name much in camp. Nickel or Slot CB is a question, but we are not without answers.

The biggest question for the team is if and how much the Offensive Line plan can improve. We are seeing that if provided an opportunity, our skill positions can make plays.

Also, I believe the performance of the Offense will be the single biggest contributor to improvement by the defense.


Completely agree with this take.

Looking forward to seeing them in action TOMORROW! (for at least one series :lol: )

Author:  dead_poet [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:13 pm ]
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I think the secondary could be a bit worse. 2017 Waynes will probably be a downgrade from 2016 Newman. 2017 Newman sounds like he's been worse than 2016 Newman. Alexander will be the biggest weakness and almost certainly the largest downgrade from Captain. Hopefully the D-line and linebackers play as well or better than last year.

Author:  autobon7 [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:40 pm ]
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dead_poet wrote:
I think the secondary could be a bit worse. 2017 Waynes will probably be a downgrade from 2016 Newman. 2017 Newman sounds like he's been worse than 2016 Newman. Alexander will be the biggest weakness and almost certainly the largest downgrade from Captain. Hopefully the D-line and linebackers play as well or better than last year.


That's exactly my take on the situation

Author:  mansquatch [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:41 pm ]
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Hasn't Exum been taking a lot of reps at Slot?

Slot is going to be a growing pain, it took Munnerlyn a year to get to where Zimmer wanted him. Ideally this will be offset by improvement from the offense so the Defense isn't force to play complete mistake free football in order for the team to have a chance at winning.

I do not feel like the guys we'll be putting out there will be total liabilities on defense like Clemmings was for the offense at Tackle last season. They probably will not make AS MANY plays as Munnerlyn did, but they are not going to get beat on every single down either.

Author:  autobon7 [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:56 pm ]
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All eyes will be on Alexander.....and to a little lesser extent...Sendejo.

Author:  S197 [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:09 pm ]
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Based on what I've read, it seems like the O-line is clearly better at run blocking than last year. Pass blocking has been inconsistent. Hopefully Reiff makes a solid contribution and Isidora can beat Clemmings out of a roster spot. I think it's good that the O-line has to go up against such a good D-line, iron sharpens iron.

Bradford seems to be taking more chances, throwing in tight coverage with fairly good success. I like this a lot. Teddy I felt was too conservative with the ball. It was nice he rarely turned it over but great QB's take risks. (Oh this reminds me of a fun stat I just read, Rodgers has thrown a game losing interception in 2 of the last 3 meetings w/ the Vikings :tongue: ) He's also shown good accuracy throwing downfield.

Ben Gedeon had himself a very good camp by many accounts. Definitely a Mr. Mankato candidate.

Guys I'm looking forward to watching in preseason: Dylan Bradley, he may end up on the PS but he seems like he can be very disruptive at times. Terrell Sinkfield, I think he has an outside shot at making the squad. Michael Floyd, nothing but good stuff coming out of camp, seems like he could be a big red zone asset. Stacey Coley, seems like he's ahead of Adams in terms of production. CJ Ham, I don't know that we need a FB but he seems to be holding his own. Heinicke/Keenum battle. Heinicke has the better arm but Keenum has been good in the redzone.

Author:  808vikingsfan [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:27 pm ]
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Great battles at almost every position. LB, OL, DL, even the K and P positions. I can't remember the last time I was this excited for preseason.

Author:  808vikingsfan [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:41 pm ]
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Quote:
"The defense is ready. We probably could have played a game 3 or 4 days ago." -Coach Zimmer on the team being ready for games

Author:  808vikingsfan [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:54 pm ]
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A nice write up

2017 Camp Battles: Specialists and Final 53-Man Roster Prediction

Author:  mansquatch [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:58 pm ]
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That's awesome from Zimmer.

I think Treadwell is currently down, but maybe not out. He was having a pretty good camp until he got dumb and hurt himself in that scuffle. He has elite physical talent that the rest of the WR depth chart lacks. (With the exception of Floyd.) That could be a significant asset if he can pull it together.

It is way too early, but the ingredients are there for a very special season for the Vikings. I haven't been this excited for a season in quite a while.

Author:  autobon7 [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:19 pm ]
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Don't agree with some of the predicted cuts.....Stephen and Harris in particular.

Author:  dead_poet [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:19 pm ]
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mansquatch wrote:
Hasn't Exum been taking a lot of reps at Slot?


Yes. He's probably #2 there from what I've read.

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Slot is going to be a growing pain, it took Munnerlyn a year to get to where Zimmer wanted him.


Agreed. But I wouldn't be surprised if the performance of that position is downgraded THIS year.

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I do not feel like the guys we'll be putting out there will be total liabilities on defense like Clemmings was for the offense at Tackle last season. They probably will not make AS MANY plays as Munnerlyn did, but they are not going to get beat on every single down either.


Nobody is worse at their position than He Who Shall Not Be Named. It's a low bar.

Author:  S197 [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:29 pm ]
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autobon7 wrote:


Don't agree with some of the predicted cuts.....Stephen and Harris in particular.


Stephen has been stout in run defense, I could see him making the team over Sutton. Tocho over Harris would be a pretty big surprise. I don't think Rodney Smith has that #5 spot locked up either, Coley, Jones, and even Shelton have shown flashes in camp. I'll also guess Zac Kerin makes the team over Sirles.

Author:  PurpleKoolaid [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:12 pm ]
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I think we will see a lot of new faces starting this year.

Author:  dead_poet [ Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:41 pm ]
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Camp Evaluations

Part 1: Offense: https://www.dailynorseman.com/2017/8/10 ... ns-offense

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