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Since the NFL went to 16 Games in ’78, the Vikes Have NEVER Had a QB Start All 16 Games in Back to Back Seasons… That’s Not All…

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In the 34 seasons since 1978, the Vikings have only had a quarterback play all 16 games NINE times. That’s 26% of the time. Not all of that can be chalked up to free agent QB’s. I decided to do some “Luke Braun-ing” and looked up the percentage of NFL quarterback’s that finish all 16 games in general. What’s amazing, before we get into general percentages is the following stat from the 2015 (I think?) season, “Eight of the 11 teams that won 10 or more games last season had quarterbacks that started all 16 of their games in the regular season.”


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I guess there's a pretty good chance we'll be seeing Keenum start sometime this season.

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Since the NFL went to 16 Games in ’78, the Vikes Have NEVER Had a QB Start All 16 Games in Back to Back Seasons… That’s Not All…

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In the 34 seasons since 1978, the Vikings have only had a quarterback play all 16 games NINE times. That’s 26% of the time. Not all of that can be chalked up to free agent QB’s. I decided to do some “Luke Braun-ing” and looked up the percentage of NFL quarterback’s that finish all 16 games in general. What’s amazing, before we get into general percentages is the following stat from the 2015 (I think?) season, “Eight of the 11 teams that won 10 or more games last season had quarterbacks that started all 16 of their games in the regular season.”


More at the link above.

I guess there's a pretty good chance we'll be seeing Keenum start sometime this season.


Wrong. Bradford only started 15 games last year, Hill week 1 in Tennessee.


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Wrong. Bradford only started 15 games last year, Hill week 1 in Tennessee.

#DeepDive. They should let Keenum play against the Browns this year.

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Since the NFL went to 16 Games in ’78, the Vikes Have NEVER Had a QB Start All 16 Games in Back to Back Seasons… That’s Not All…

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In the 34 seasons since 1978, the Vikings have only had a quarterback play all 16 games NINE times. That’s 26% of the time. Not all of that can be chalked up to free agent QB’s. I decided to do some “Luke Braun-ing” and looked up the percentage of NFL quarterback’s that finish all 16 games in general. What’s amazing, before we get into general percentages is the following stat from the 2015 (I think?) season, “Eight of the 11 teams that won 10 or more games last season had quarterbacks that started all 16 of their games in the regular season.”


More at the link above.

I guess there's a pretty good chance we'll be seeing Keenum start sometime this season.


Wrong. Bradford only started 15 games last year, Hill week 1 in Tennessee.


Forgot about Hill. But still, only 9 QBs lasted an entire season since 78, there's still awful good chance.

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So you have confirmed that the QB is the essential component to consistent winning in the NFL. Thank you.

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So you have confirmed that the QB is the essential component to consistent winning in the NFL. Thank you.

A HEALTHY QB! :D

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Just thought it was an alarming stat. No matter who the Vikings try at QB, it almost never works out for more than a season. Cunningham, George, Favre, Culpepper, Ponder, Kramer, Bridgewater, Johnson, ....

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Just thought it was an alarming stat. No matter who the Vikings try at QB, it almost never works out for more than a season. Cunningham, George, Favre, Culpepper, Ponder, Kramer, Bridgewater, Johnson, ....


Kramer and Culpepper are the closest they've come to solving the problem over time and injuries ruined both of their careers. :(


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Just thought it was an alarming stat. No matter who the Vikings try at QB, it almost never works out for more than a season. Cunningham, George, Favre, Culpepper, Ponder, Kramer, Bridgewater, Johnson, ....


I thought it was alarming and interesting as well. And confirmation the franchise is cursed. :gone:


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Just thought it was an alarming stat. No matter who the Vikings try at QB, it almost never works out for more than a season. Cunningham, George, Favre, Culpepper, Ponder, Kramer, Bridgewater, Johnson, ....


Kramer and Culpepper are the closest they've come to solving the problem over time and injuries ruined both of their careers. :(

Perhaps a bit of hard partying also contributed to Kramer's health issues?

Ah, those were the days. When men were men and partied like animals!

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Perhaps a bit of hard partying also contributed to Kramer's health issues?


:lol: Yes, I imagine they contributed but I think it was a nerve injury that ultimately did him in as an NFL QB, which was a shame. I think he also suffered quite a few injuries because he was a tough SOB, a bit like Joe Kapp in that respect. Kramer didn't back down from would-be defenders.

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Shades of Bobby Layne! he was before my time but the Lions old QB was infamous for fitting that description.


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I seem to remember Kramer breaking his hand in a bar. He was trying to hit a speed bag type punching bag. He missed the bag and connected with the frame it was hanging from and wrecked his hand.
It could have been a Millard incident....but my memory says it was Kramer.


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I seem to remember Kramer breaking his hand in a bar. He was trying to hit a speed bag type punching bag. He missed the bag and connected with the frame it was hanging from and wrecked his hand.
It could have been a Millard incident....but my memory says it was Kramer.

Mentioning Millard, the Vikings could field quite a team of players whose careers were cut short by injury. I'm sure all teams could, but just thinking of some of the names... Kramer, Culpepper, Millard, etc... I'll think of more later after I wake up more.

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I seem to remember Kramer breaking his hand in a bar. He was trying to hit a speed bag type punching bag. He missed the bag and connected with the frame it was hanging from and wrecked his hand.
It could have been a Millard incident....but my memory says it was Kramer.


I don't remember that one but it sounds like a Millard incident. :)


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I seem to remember Kramer breaking his hand in a bar. He was trying to hit a speed bag type punching bag. He missed the bag and connected with the frame it was hanging from and wrecked his hand.
It could have been a Millard incident....but my memory says it was Kramer.


I don't remember that one but it sounds like a Millard incident. :)

I searched and searched...apparently there was no internet back then.
Maybe someone here remembers, I'm convinced it was Kramer.
There certainly where a few drunken Viking stories on the web.
It must be those cold winters up there ;)


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Jim, tell me more about The Millard Incident, what's your favorite song by them?

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Jim, tell me more about The Millard Incident, what's your favorite song by them?


:lol:

"Destroy All Quarterbacks".


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Jim, tell me more about The Millard Incident, what's your favorite song by them?

'I Strongly Dislike Cop Cars' is mine.


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...apparently there was no internet back then.


Lol...

Did he and Doleman both finish with 20 sacks one year?

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...apparently there was no internet back then.


Lol...

Did he and Doleman both finish with 20 sacks one year?


Close.
In 1989, each if the front 4 almost had double digit sacks.
Doleman 21
Millard 18
Noga 11.5
Thomas 8

That was a fun year.

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Nunin wrote:
...apparently there was no internet back then.


Lol...

Did he and Doleman both finish with 20 sacks one year?


Close.
In 1989, each if the front 4 almost had double digit sacks.
Doleman 21
Millard 18
Noga 11.5
Thomas 8

That was a fun year.


That's insane. Up until a few years ago I'd see Al Noga fairly regularly playing pickup basketball at UH. He's still jacked.


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Whew Doleman and Millard . What a pair they were


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Here's the rest of the league (QBs that started 16 games)
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Jim, tell me more about The Millard Incident, what's your favorite song by them?

'I Strongly Dislike Cop Cars' is mine.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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It is my opinion that this ultimately points to the question of whether getting the Franchise QB is skill or luck? I would argue strongly that it is the latter and that our friends to the East are the luckiest of them all, not just in getting two, but getting them back to back. It could be worse. Look at the AFC. In past 16 seasons only once has a QB not named Ben, Tom, or Peyton won the AFCCG.

Another observation: Going through the whole list, most of the QBs with many 16 season starts are not SB winners, so in that respect this graphic on it's own is not an indication of championship potential. Consider that the much maligned Saints are on this list at #3 and have only one championship despite the 3rd highest total and only 1 behind #2. GB, with it's vaunted 26 seasons, only had 2 championships in that time. (they went to a 3rd and lost.) Conversely, arguably four of the most storied of NFL franchises make up the bottom third in PIT, DAL, SF, and OAK.

One thing I ponder is whether the QB stats are a result of many great passers or a result of lower overall league quality defenses? I'm not sure of the answer there, just something to think about. When you look at stats on a game by game basis it is obvious that many teams feast on meager opposition before hitting a hard wall in the playoffs when they face more well constructed teams. Last season the most obvious example of this was DAL, they feasted on a soft schedule and a dysfunctional division before having their defense deservedly exposed in the playoffs when they finally played an elite passer.

A question to consider is how the QB being a matter of luck affect the analysis of the whether or not a GM is successful. The reality to me is that the majority of NFL franchises field flawed rosters in one way or another. Few are complete and balanced and even then, those that are need the luck of at least a competent passer to win it all. Jim Harbaugh 49ers and current KC Chiefs are examples teams being very good to great everywhere except where it mattered most. It is thus no surprise that KC drafted a QB in this draft. They know where they need juice to get over the playoff hump.

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