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Re: let's talk about Hunter

Post by Raptorman » Wed May 17, 2017 1:35 pm

One more thing to remember about Hunter. He turns 23 in October. Yea, he's young. John Randle didn't start playing until he was 23. Kevin Williams was 23 when he started and Allen was 22. This kid already has two less sacks than those three combined in their first year. Randle and Allen had their best years around 25-26 years old. He has not place to go but up.
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Post by PurpleMustReign » Wed May 17, 2017 4:58 pm

I loved Lance Johnstone. He was always around the QB when he was in there .
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Re: let's talk about Hunter

Post by CbusVikesFan » Fri May 19, 2017 10:43 am

Raptorman wrote:One more thing to remember about Hunter. He turns 23 in October. Yea, he's young. John Randle didn't start playing until he was 23. Kevin Williams was 23 when he started and Allen was 22. This kid already has two less sacks than those three combined in their first year. Randle and Allen had their best years around 25-26 years old. He has not place to go but up.
Interesting facts. I like it. Says a bunch to be in the mix with those guys.
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Re: let's talk about Hunter

Post by VikingPaul73 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:11 pm

Am I the only one who is a bit skeptical on Hunter?? Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, I just think the hype is getting a bit out of control.

So far he's played mostly in passing situations, which can skew stats. I know he was good against he run at LSU, but isn't he a bit smallish for an NFL LDE? How will he hold up against the run over the course of an entire game/season?

there is a big difference between being a 3 down DE vs. a situational pass rusher.

Like I said I like the guy and I am optimistic, but all of the talk (not just on this board but media as well) about him being on the cusp of "elite" in the NFL seems very premature to me.

Anyway, hope he lives up to the hype and posts 20 sacks next year and is a dominant All Pro for the Vikings for years to come :beerock: :beerock: :beerock:
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Re: let's talk about Hunter

Post by J. Kapp 11 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:42 pm

VikingPaul73 wrote:Am I the only one who is a bit skeptical on Hunter?? Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, I just think the hype is getting a bit out of control.

So far he's played mostly in passing situations, which can skew stats. I know he was good against he run at LSU, but isn't he a bit smallish for an NFL LDE? How will he hold up against the run over the course of an entire game/season?

there is a big difference between being a 3 down DE vs. a situational pass rusher.

Like I said I like the guy and I am optimistic, but all of the talk (not just on this board but media as well) about him being on the cusp of "elite" in the NFL seems very premature to me.

Anyway, hope he lives up to the hype and posts 20 sacks next year and is a dominant All Pro for the Vikings for years to come :beerock: :beerock: :beerock:
Not sure why you're so skeptical.

Yes, he just posted a 12.5 sack season. But he's far from one-dimensional. He also had 32 tackles and 22 assists. Brian Robison, who is reputed to be pretty good against the run, has never posted more than 30 tackles or 17 assists in any season of his entire career (and his career high for sacks is only 9.0 in 2013). Hunter is also listed among PFF's Top 25 under the age of 25.

Here's another way of looking at it. Hunter just completed his second season, yet he's only 22 years old and won't be 23 until late October, when the season is at the halfway point. Most of the guys in his class were rookies last year. If he'd have posted a 12.5-sack rookie season, we'd all be talking about him as a surefire all-pro.

As for his size, go back and watch the safety he got against Carolina. He completely destroys the 6-4, 315-pound Michael Oher ... with a BULL RUSH. Absolutely puts him on his backside. Danielle Hunter is a strong young man who is also incredibly athletic.

No skepticism here. Hunter is a stud who's only going to get better.
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Re: let's talk about Hunter

Post by S197 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:01 pm

Saw a few photos from mini camp. Hunters arms are massive.
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Post by PurpleKoolaid » Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:10 pm

Yeah, he looks ready to play right now, he's stayed in great shape.
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Re: let's talk about Hunter

Post by Demi » Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:50 pm

Am I the only one who is a bit skeptical on Hunter?? Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, I just think the hype is getting a bit out of control.

So far he's played mostly in passing situations
Hype? He should have been getting the majority of snaps since he was drafted. But Robison was the veteran who knew the defense, was a leader, etc etc. This exact same question came up last year and I made the case Hunter should be getting more snaps than Robison and the same questions were asked. Robison started 16 games, Hunter 0. Hunter had 5 more sacks, and 28 more tackles (total and assists). Even if he's played mostly passing situations. That big of a difference in actual production?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/t ... counts.htm

Hunter had 238 fewer *defensive* snaps. How do you explain five more sacks and twenty more tackles in over two hundred fewer snaps?
This same question came up last year, and I'll say the same thing. Watch Robison and watch Hunter. And tell me who you'd rather see on the field on the majority of snaps...
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Post by 808vikingsfan » Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:30 am

Demi wrote: Hype? He should have been getting the majority of snaps since he was drafted. But Robison was the veteran who knew the defense, was a leader, etc etc. This exact same question came up last year and I made the case Hunter should be getting more snaps than Robison and the same questions were asked. Robison started 16 games, Hunter 0. Hunter had 5 more sacks, and 28 more tackles (total and assists). Even if he's played mostly passing situations. That big of a difference in actual production?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/t ... counts.htm

Hunter had 238 fewer *defensive* snaps. How do you explain five more sacks and twenty more tackles in over two hundred fewer snaps?
This same question came up last year, and I'll say the same thing. Watch Robison and watch Hunter. And tell me who you'd rather see on the field on the majority of snaps...

Right now, I'd trust Robison more with being disciplined especially on those naked bootlegs and delayed handoffs. Robison also had 3 FF. But yeah, I would like to see him on the field more.

Here's a quote in article that I found interesting. Not sure how much I agree with it but just thought I'd post it. Maybe it's a good thing to be able to rest him.
Danielle Hunter’s ability to rest and conserve his energy throughout an entire contest has proven critical to his success thus far. Of his 12.5 sacks last year, 8 came in the fourth quarter, after the offense has been worn down. Hunter was able to enter games late with fresh legs, taking advantage of exhausted offensive lines and racking up stats. After the wear and tear of playing an entire game, it’s unclear that Hunter would be able to maintain that level of late-game production.
http://thevikingage.com/2017/05/20/viki ... le-hunter/



Another article comparing playing time between the two.
Vikings defensive ends Brian Robison and Danielle Hunter both ...
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Re: let's talk about Hunter

Post by Demi » Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:58 am

Some of Robison’s most important work to date is how he’s aided in the emergence of the young and talented Danielle Hunter, while remaining productive himself. His role hasn’t diminished much, Robison still played more than 80% of the defensive snaps in 2016, but it is different as the team has to find a way to get Hunter on the field. The LSU product has found himself in elite company after his first two professional seasons. His 18.5 sacks are the third most in team history by a player in their first two seasons. Only Keith Millard (22.0) and Kevin Williams (21.5) punished more quarterbacks in their first two seasons with the Vikings.
:roll: Some of his most important work is how he's "aided" in the emergence of Hunter? If the team hadn't forced him onto the field as often as possible Hunter would have "punished the most quarterbacks" in his first two seasons with the Vikings. But they decided Robison was amazing as a leader and in the defensive line "room".
Robison’s strong play and professional mentorship in the defensive line room has earned him some ever elusive praise from Minnesota’s Lord Commander and head coach.

“(He’s handled it) probably as good as (anyone) I have been around,” Zimmer said when asked about how Robison has handled having the talented upstart behind him. “He said he would do anything he could to help this football team. I think he understands that Danielle is a very talented guy. He did something in the defensive meeting room that was pretty stand up-ish. He did things the correct way, like a true professional.”
So while sitting on a chair in a room watching a screen he handled things as good as anyone. In the defensive meeting room he did something pretty stand up-ish. The quote sounds great, until you read into it. Specifically the handling it as well as anyone having an amazing talent behind them. How many players handle a situation well when they have a more talented player behind them on the depth chart who out produces them despite the lower number of snaps? :wallbang:
Hunter’s increase in snaps didn’t have much of an effect on Robison’s.
No, Robison still got the snaps. But didn't do much more with them. While Hunter obviously did. Which is the entire point.
Hunter’s been incredible when he’s been on the field, but he’s still one of the youngest players on the team and the Vikings would be intelligent to make sure he stays fresh for critical pass-rushing situations in the fourth quarter. There’s no need to rush his development either, he has a long and what looks right now to be a special career ahead of him.

Robison will continue to be paramount in No. 99’s development on and off the field. Especially on the field, because, like we said before, No. 96 can still play ball.
Same thing we heard about veteran QBs helping younger QBs. (TJoke, Ponder, Bridgewater)
Moss helping Harvin. (With Randy Moss on the field, Harvin averaged 71% more yards per reception than before the trade. SCIENCE!)
And any number of other veteran players who aren't quite producing being the reason young players are producing. It isn't just that the young players are talented, it's that Shaun Hill is mentoring them in the offseason. And Robison is taking more snaps to show Hunter how it's done! :confused:
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Re: let's talk about Hunter

Post by CbusVikesFan » Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:05 am

Robison has always been serviceable. And that's it. A critical position on the field and we have had a serviceable player for years. Time for more of a impact player to take over.
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Re: let's talk about Hunter

Post by PurpleKoolaid » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:12 pm

Hunter needs the majority of time on the field, not Robison. Just because some of us like Robison, and hes been a good player for us, doesnt mean Hunter should be on the bench for a single play, unless he needs a breather.
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Post by J. Kapp 11 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:13 pm

There's talk of Hunter playing significantly more this year, with Griffen moving inside occasionally on passing downs and Hunter taking Griffen's spot at right DE. Putting Griffen and Hunter on the same side of the field could be a nightmare for opposing O-lines.

I'm glad Robison and Griffen bring some versatility to the table -- because anything that gets Hunter on the field is a win in my book.
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Post by Pondering Her Percy » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:02 am

chicagopurple wrote:Gosh, this all reminds me of how fun it was having J Allen on the team! I think he was the most entertaining player on the field for the Vikes during the last 6-7 years. Too bad we cant clone him.
With the way Hunter has played, from a football standpoint, he might not be too far off
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Re: let's talk about Hunter

Post by PurpleMustReign » Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:45 pm

Pondering Her Percy wrote: With the way Hunter has played, from a football standpoint, he might not be too far off
How is Hunter in the run game? I remember with Allen that was his one "weakness".

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