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With 15 more picks before the Vikings are on the clock, worst case scenario should be landing the 16th best player left on their board.

So...who are your top 16 players still available?


Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:58 am
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First attempt...I'm not confident in this list yet. Wish I would have spent more time studying the draft this year! I really didn't look into WRs or QBs at all, and never found many LBers who interested me much.

OL (4)
Forrest Lamp
Cam Robinson
Dion Dawkins
Taylor Moton

LB (2)
Zach Cunningham
Ryan Anderson

DT (1)
Dalvin Tomlinson

S (4)
Budda Baker
Obi Melifonwu
Marcus Maye
Marcus Williams

RB (1)
Samaje Perine

WR (1)
Curtis Samuel

CB (2)
Kevin King
Chidobe Awuzie

TE (1)
Adam Shaheen


Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:39 am
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2704384

Matt Miller's list is interesting.

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1 Quincy Wilson CB Florida 6'1" 211
2 Joe Mixon RB Oklahoma 6'1" 226
3 Forrest Lamp G Western Kentucky 6'4" 309
4 Cam Robinson T Alabama 6'6" 322
5 Alvin Kamara RB Tennessee 5'10" 214
6 Budda Baker S Washington 5'10" 195
7 Chidobe Awuzie CB Colorado 6'0" 202
8 Sidney Jones CB Washington 6'0" 186
9 Chris Wormley DL Michigan 6'5" 298
10 Kevin King CB Washington 6'3" 200
11 DeShone Kizer QB Notre Dame 6'4" 233
12 Dalvin Cook RB Florida State 5'10" 210
13 Marcus Maye S Florida 6'0" 210
14 Zay Jones WR East Carolina 6'2" 201
15 Cooper Kupp WR Eastern Washington 6'2" 204
16 Josh Jones S North Carolina State 6'1" 220


Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:48 am
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Arif Hassan's 'Consensus Big Board'

http://zonecoverage.com/2017/vikings/20 ... round-two/

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12 12 12 Dalvin Cook Florida State RB 2
17 26 13 Forrest Lamp Western Kentucky OG 1
24 23 24 Cam Robinson Alabama OT 2
25 34 19 Malik McDowell Michigan State DL3T 1
31 39 29 Budda Baker Washington S 4
36 35 36 Zach Cunningham Vanderbilt OLB 2
37 46 31 Obi Melifonwu Connecticut S 5
39 40 43 Quincy Wilson Florida CB 5
40 42 35 DeShone Kizer Notre Dame QB 4
41 36 45 Kevin King Washington CB 6
42 61 34 Carl Lawson Auburn ER 8
44 70 42 Sidney Jones Washington CB 7
45 45 48 Tim Williams Alabama ER 9
46 41 51 Chidobe Awuzie Colorado CB 8
47 51 47 Marcus Williams Utah S 6
48 58 37 Joe Mixon Oklahoma RB 4


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What the heck is an "ER"? Based on the players with that designation, I'm guessing it's supposed to stand for "End, Right".

I've never seen that before.


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Mothman wrote:
What the heck is an "ER"? Based on the players with that designation, I'm guessing it's supposed to stand for "End, Right".

I've never seen that before.


Edge Rusher.

its shorthand for saying, maybe a 4-3 DE, a 3-4 OLB, a 'tweener etc.


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fiestavike wrote:
Mothman wrote:
What the heck is an "ER"? Based on the players with that designation, I'm guessing it's supposed to stand for "End, Right".

I've never seen that before.


Edge Rusher.

its shorthand for saying, maybe a 4-3 DE, a 3-4 OLB, a 'tweener etc.



Ah, that makes more sense. Thanks!


Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:14 am
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Post Re: Top 16 remaining
http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft/bestavailable

1.Forrest Lamp
2. Dalvin Cook
3. Cam Robinson
4. Kevin King
5. Quincy Wilson
6. Zay Jones
7. Tyus Bowser
8. Jordan Lewis
9. Marcus Maye
10. Budda Baker
11. Alvin Kamara
12. Malik McDowell
13. Curtis Samuel
14. Josh Jones
15. Jordan Willis
16. Obi Melifonwu

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I mean if you think about it, out of my top guys remaining, it consists of:

-Lamp, Feeney, Robinson, Dawkins, Elfein (all needs)
-Cook, Mixon, Kamara (all needs),
-McDowell (need)
-Baker, Maye, Melifonwu (needs)
-Cunningham, Williams, Bowser (needs)

....This draft (so far) couldnt have played out much better for us. I dont think anyone expected many of these guys to be on the board at this point.

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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
I mean if you think about it, out of my top guys remaining, it consists of:

-Lamp, Feeney, Robinson, Dawkins, Elfein (all needs)
-Cook, Mixon, Kamara (all needs),
-McDowell (need)
-Baker, Maye, Melifonwu (needs)
-Cunningham, Williams, Bowser (needs)

....This draft (so far) couldnt have played out much better for us. I dont think anyone expected many of these guys to be on the board at this point.

I agree. The overdrafting of quarterbacks and wide receivers (3 in the top 9, are you kidding me?) has created a second-round talent pool that looks a lot like a first-round pool.

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fiestavike wrote:
Arif Hassan's 'Consensus Big Board'

http://zonecoverage.com/2017/vikings/20 ... round-two/

Quote:
12 12 12 Dalvin Cook Florida State RB 2
17 26 13 Forrest Lamp Western Kentucky OG 1
24 23 24 Cam Robinson Alabama OT 2
25 34 19 Malik McDowell Michigan State DL3T 1
31 39 29 Budda Baker Washington S 4
36 35 36 Zach Cunningham Vanderbilt OLB 2
37 46 31 Obi Melifonwu Connecticut S 5
39 40 43 Quincy Wilson Florida CB 5
40 42 35 DeShone Kizer Notre Dame QB 4
41 36 45 Kevin King Washington CB 6
42 61 34 Carl Lawson Auburn ER 8
44 70 42 Sidney Jones Washington CB 7
45 45 48 Tim Williams Alabama ER 9
46 41 51 Chidobe Awuzie Colorado CB 8
47 51 47 Marcus Williams Utah S 6
48 58 37 Joe Mixon Oklahoma RB 4

What are the numbers after their names?

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Honestly, the BPA is Davlin Cook by far. Lamp and Robinson are essentially neck and neck. Jordan Willis is a guy no is listing but he could be dominate pass rusher.

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HardcoreVikesFan wrote:
Honestly, the BPA is Davlin Cook by far. Lamp and Robinson are essentially neck and neck. Jordan Willis is a guy no is listing but he could be dominate pass rusher.


See I think Mixon is better than Cook. I would say Lamp and Feeney are more neck and neck. I'm personally not that big on Robinson.

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PurpleMustReign wrote:
fiestavike wrote:
Arif Hassan's 'Consensus Big Board'

http://zonecoverage.com/2017/vikings/20 ... round-two/

Quote:
12 12 12 Dalvin Cook Florida State RB 2
17 26 13 Forrest Lamp Western Kentucky OG 1
24 23 24 Cam Robinson Alabama OT 2
25 34 19 Malik McDowell Michigan State DL3T 1
31 39 29 Budda Baker Washington S 4
36 35 36 Zach Cunningham Vanderbilt OLB 2
37 46 31 Obi Melifonwu Connecticut S 5
39 40 43 Quincy Wilson Florida CB 5
40 42 35 DeShone Kizer Notre Dame QB 4
41 36 45 Kevin King Washington CB 6
42 61 34 Carl Lawson Auburn ER 8
44 70 42 Sidney Jones Washington CB 7
45 45 48 Tim Williams Alabama ER 9
46 41 51 Chidobe Awuzie Colorado CB 8
47 51 47 Marcus Williams Utah S 6
48 58 37 Joe Mixon Oklahoma RB 4

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Cook and Lamp are going to be gone, maybe in the first two picks today.

I think McDowell, Cunningham, or Melifonwu. Robinson if he's around (Rick has already said Remmers can play guard). I feel like Feeney and/or Elflein will be around in the 3rd. Pocic will also probably be available. Key for the Vikings is those edge rushers get drafted and Kizer. That will knock some guys off the board that they aren't looking at. I think Kevin King should get drafted pretty early today too.


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If Dan Feeney is on the board I suspect we will take him. In an ordinary draft Feeney would be a third rounder but this is anything but an ordinary year for OL. Probably the worst group of OL in the last decade or so of drafts. There is no way either Bolles (#20) or Ramczyk (#32) would have been first rounders in years past. Lots of teams still need OL help so we end up with demand outstripping supply and that will likely result in reaches all over the place in rounds 2-3 for OL.

It is a shame that the year we have to fill huge holes in our OL is the same year that the draft is at a low point for OL. That in part explains why Spielman had his hand forced in free agency and we ended up badly over-paying for Reiff and Remmers.

When it comes to selecting OL this year best thing Spielman can do is ask Sparano for his advice and then do the opposite. Otherwise we risk getting Willie Beavers II.


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I think the odds of an OL they draft actually starting are marginal at best, even in the 2nd round. That has just been the trend in the NFL recently. A guard might buck that trend due to our lack of bodies at RG on the roster, but even that is probably a stretch.

I wonder if they are going to grab one of the Safeties? I can't recall the last time we saw draft this deep at that position and this coaching staff should have the ability to get the most out of that talent.

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I think the odds of an OL they draft actually starting are marginal at best, even in the 2nd round. That has just been the trend in the NFL recently. A guard might buck that trend due to our lack of bodies at RG on the roster, but even that is probably a stretch.


I don't think it's a stretch at all. Rookie o-lineman are still starting every year in the NFL and some of them are doing a good job. The trend doesn't apply universally. It depends on their level of experience, what kind of offense they were playing in during college, etc. (and on talent, of course).

If they draft a guard in R2, he'll probably have an excellent chance to be a starter on their line in 2017, especially if he's not a converted tackle trying to adjust to a new position.


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Mothman wrote:
mansquatch wrote:
I think the odds of an OL they draft actually starting are marginal at best, even in the 2nd round. That has just been the trend in the NFL recently. A guard might buck that trend due to our lack of bodies at RG on the roster, but even that is probably a stretch.


I don't think it's a stretch at all. Rookie o-lineman are still starting every year in the NFL and some of them are doing a good job. The trend doesn't apply universally. It depends on their level of experience, what kind of offense they were playing in during college, etc. (and on talent, of course).

If they draft a guard in R2, he'll probably have an excellent chance to be a starter on their line in 2017, especially if he's not a converted tackle trying to adjust to a new position.


Jim, you'll like this article on the topic:
http://www.sbnation.com/2017/4/25/15358 ... ce=twitter

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If we take an OG at #48 and he can't beat out Sirles, Kerin or Beavers then we should pass and go with BPA at a different position. Just hope Spielman isn't locked into to taking the best OL at #48 to make up for deficiencies of the past.


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Jim, you'll like this article on the topic:
http://www.sbnation.com/2017/4/25/15358 ... ce=twitter


You're right, I did like it. That was genuinely informative work from Mr. Schwartz. Thanks for the link!


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Pro football mock round 2

https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft- ... n-round-2/


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Mothman wrote:
dead_poet wrote:
Jim, you'll like this article on the topic:
http://www.sbnation.com/2017/4/25/15358 ... ce=twitter


You're right, I did like it. That was genuinely informative work from Mr. Schwartz. Thanks for the link!


That was good. i still think the future of NFL linemen is going to be Mike Remmers, Jeremiah Sirles, and the like. Guys who develop via practice squad, and who are going to take 4-5 years to get fully up to speed. Other than the pro-style offenses, the league is going to HAVE to be patient with OL play. Taking those guys that have been on practicie squads, honing their craft, is a better bet than sticking with trying to draft immediate impact guys outside of those programs who produce them with regularity.


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