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I'm thinking # 48 could be a very interesting pick. Who do you pick?
Feeney, McDowell, Brantley , Mixon all are still there at 48...who does Rick pick?


It will be an interesting pick and really depends on how the board shakes out. Feeney may very well be the only viable O-line option at that pick (maybe Bolles). But it seems early for a Elflin or Pocic. At least from the mocks I've seen, one thing I've learned over the years is I don't know jack squat about linemen. Is Isaac Asiata related to Matt?


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halfgiz wrote:
I'm thinking # 48 could be a very interesting pick. Who do you pick?
Feeney, McDowell, Brantley , Mixon all are still there at 48...who does Rick pick?


It will be an interesting pick and really depends on how the board shakes out. Feeney may very well be the only viable O-line option at that pick (maybe Bolles). But it seems early for a Elflin or Pocic. At least from the mocks I've seen, one thing I've learned over the years is I don't know jack squat about linemen. Is Isaac Asiata related to Matt?


I think the concussions will take Feeney off a lot of people's boards. Nobody wants to draft a player who is going to retire after a year or two. I'd probably go Brantley.

Mixon reminds me of Matt Forte, and that's a good thing, but I don't see the reason to draft a RB that early in this draft, being as deep as it is, and especially when he causes PR problems for you.


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How many concussions has he had?

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How many concussions has he had?

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The elephant in the room and biggest weakness surrounding Feeney though is his high number of concussions. There is not an exact number of concussions he has suffered throughout his career, but he did miss six games in 2016.


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I'm thinking # 48 could be a very interesting pick. Who do you pick?
Feeney, McDowell, Brantley , Mixon all are still there at 48...who does Rick pick?

How about a WR? :lol:

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He just got a 1st rd WR last year. You trust Rick to pick another? He used all his luck on Diggs.


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He just got a 1st rd WR last year. You trust Rick to pick another? He used all his luck on Diggs.


I'm not certain Treadwell is a fit in the current offense. The last time we had any continuity around here was with Dennis Green. :wallbang:


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From all the visits and rumors it sounds like
Floyds replacement (maybe) in the second round
and likely another running back in the third.

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He just got a 1st rd WR last year. You trust Rick to pick another? He used all his luck on Diggs.

Lol, that was tongue in cheek. I really am not trusting Rick to make many good picks.

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He just got a 1st rd WR last year. You trust Rick to pick another? He used all his luck on Diggs.

Lol, that was tongue in cheek. I really am not trusting Rick to make many good picks.


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PurpleKoolaid wrote:
He just got a 1st rd WR last year. You trust Rick to pick another? He used all his luck on Diggs.

Lol, that was tongue in cheek. I really am not trusting Rick to make many good picks.


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He just got a 1st rd WR last year. You trust Rick to pick another? He used all his luck on Diggs.


Nobody still has any clue if Treadwell will be good or not yet.

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He just got a 1st rd WR last year. You trust Rick to pick another? He used all his luck on Diggs.


Was Thielen luck as well?


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PurpleKoolaid wrote:
He just got a 1st rd WR last year. You trust Rick to pick another? He used all his luck on Diggs.


Was Thielen luck as well?



It depends on how you look at it but quite honestly, the answer is probably yes. :) His initial presence on the Vikings arguably had more to do with geography than scouting. If he hadn't attended Minnesota State in Mankato and then, after going undrafted, participated in a 3 day rookie tryout to earn a chance at being a "camp body" and subsequently, practice squad player, would he even be a Viking? If he'd gone to school in California or Arkansas, probably not. The guy basically fought his own way onto the roster and up the depth chart.


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He just got a 1st rd WR last year. You trust Rick to pick another? He used all his luck on Diggs.


Was Thielen luck as well?



It depends on how you look at it but quite honestly, the answer is probably yes. :) His initial presence on the Vikings arguably had more to do with geography than scouting. If he hadn't attended Minnesota State in Mankato and then, after going undrafted, participated in a 3 day rookie tryout to earn a chance at being a "camp body" and subsequently, practice squad player, would he even be a Viking? If he'd gone to school in California or Arkansas, probably not. The guy basically fought his own way onto the roster and up the depth chart.


That's a good point although I think the Vikings sticking with him wasn't luck. We've seen guys fight onto the roster but not really stick around. If Rick is going to be criticized for not moving on from a 1st round pick fast enough (i.e. Kalil) then the opposite for an UDFA should also be true.


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That's a good point although I think the Vikings sticking with him wasn't luck.


No, of course not.

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We've seen guys fight onto the roster but not really stick around. If Rick is going to be criticized for not moving on from a 1st round pick fast enough (i.e. Kalil) then the opposite for an UDFA should also be true.


Sure, and I think he does get credit for that but we're comparing apples to cantaloupes. PurpleKoolAid's point was about trusting Rick Spielman's judgment in the draft, particularly when selecting a WR in the first round. As an undrafted WR, Thielen just doesn't have much to do with Rick's judgment in the draft.


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CbusVikesFan wrote:
PurpleKoolaid wrote:
He just got a 1st rd WR last year. You trust Rick to pick another? He used all his luck on Diggs.

Lol, that was tongue in cheek. I really am not trusting Rick to make many good picks.


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PurpleKoolaid wrote:
He just got a 1st rd WR last year. You trust Rick to pick another? He used all his luck on Diggs.


Was Thielen luck as well?

I would like to know what credit Rick deserves for Thielen? I really don't think it was luck that Thielen made the roster. I was seeing hard work, confidence, and determination from Thielen. Too bad the 1st round wr picks seem to lack some of these qualities. But I am not sure what credit Rick deserves.

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PurpleKoolaid wrote:
He just got a 1st rd WR last year. You trust Rick to pick another? He used all his luck on Diggs.


Was Thielen luck as well?

Yeah. Luck being they actually put him on the field to play.
Rick does not have a good record with Olinemen, QB's, or WRs IMO. Even back when he was VP of player personal.


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http://www.startribune.com/vikings-draf ... 415781003/

Interesting mock of the Viking's picks. Feeny and Garcia (OT, Troy) are top two picks.


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That's a good point although I think the Vikings sticking with him wasn't luck.


No, of course not.

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We've seen guys fight onto the roster but not really stick around. If Rick is going to be criticized for not moving on from a 1st round pick fast enough (i.e. Kalil) then the opposite for an UDFA should also be true.


Sure, and I think he does get credit for that but we're comparing apples to cantaloupes. PurpleKoolAid's point was about trusting Rick Spielman's judgment in the draft, particularly when selecting a WR in the first round. As an undrafted WR, Thielen just doesn't have much to do with Rick's judgment in the draft.


It's a perfectly valid comparison when picks that work out are dismissed as "luck" but picks that don't are criticized. It's getting so granular that now it's down to criticism of a specific position in a specific round. Really? But I guess it has to be because if you take 1st round picks as a whole, I think the picks are pretty decent in aggregate.

Treadwell's performance remains to be seen, I think Rick's only other 1st round WRs have been Harvin and Patterson. Harvin was a head case but he was clearly the best pick that year. Lets not forget he won offensive ROY. The alternatives were Hakeem Nicks, Kenny Britt, and Brian Robiskie. Not exactly home runs.

Patterson was a miss but not on the scale of a Troy Williamson.


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We really disagree on what makes a gm (and eventually, through the GM, the staff, coaches, playoff wins and losses, etc. ) We just have'nt moved an inch since Tice was here and fired on the spot for a 9-7 season. I know under Tice there were some scandles, but there have been some seen since, and no embarrassing firings, on live TV, since then. The only really decent changes have been on the defensive side of the ball, like Joseph and Kendricks (by far our best LB, blows Barr outta the water) and these D changes came more from Zim then Rick, Im betting. And for the love of god, lets get a str. and conditioning coach. Our players are ALWAYS hurt. How can Floyd be hurt for a fucll year and not be put on IR?


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He just got a 1st rd WR last year. You trust Rick to pick another? He used all his luck on Diggs.


Was Thielen luck as well?



It depends on how you look at it but quite honestly, the answer is probably yes. :) His initial presence on the Vikings arguably had more to do with geography than scouting. If he hadn't attended Minnesota State in Mankato and then, after going undrafted, participated in a 3 day rookie tryout to earn a chance at being a "camp body" and subsequently, practice squad player, would he even be a Viking? If he'd gone to school in California or Arkansas, probably not. The guy basically fought his own way onto the roster and up the depth chart.


I agree totally. I love that we took a shot on him though, and it paid off to look for talent in-state, at least once. Mr. Mankato!


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Mayock sees Oline or Joe Mixon with Vikings first pick

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Is Isaac Asiata related to Matt?

They are cousins if I remember correctly.


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I think Mixon will be gone by 48. My guess is Zimmer will then go with BPA, which very well could be on defensive side of the ball.
I know we will see a couple OL line and RB drafted just not sure in what round.

On the offensive line I would be happy with Antonio Garcia, Dorian Johnson.


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this is what I was able to grab on the first pick draft game with two trade backs


Round 2 Pick 26 (SEA): Jarrad Davis, ILB, Florida (A)
Round 3 Pick 15: Adoree' Jackson, CB, Southern California (A+)
Round 3 Pick 22: Jaleel Johnson, DT, Iowa (A-)
Round 3 Pick 26 (SEA): Chad Hansen, WR, California (B+)
Round 3 Pick 42 (SEA): Davis Webb, QB, California (A)
Round 4 Pick 15: Jourdan Lewis, CB, Michigan (A+)
Round 4 Pick 22: Jordan Morgan, OG, Kutztown (B+)
Round 5 Pick 16: Brian Hill, RB, Wyoming (A)
Round 6 Pick 15: Ejuan Price, OLB, Pittsburgh (B)
Round 7 Pick 14: Michael Roberts, TE, Toledo (B-)

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I'm thinking # 48 could be a very interesting pick. Who do you pick?
Feeney, McDowell, Brantley , Mixon all are still there at 48...who does Rick pick?[/quote]


I would pick Feeney out of that group and pick either a DT and RB in round three (with our two
picks)

There are still some close to the end player Free Agents
that might be worth the right kinda deal.

I am thinking
Jamal Charles with a major incentive based deal (possible returner to replace CP)

Nick Mangold for center depth leadership on OL

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