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How could anybody have and real serious faith in Bridgewater, I wouldn't even as a backup. As I feared we had to play him too early, he got no time to build his body and learn the QB job before being tossed into the fire.


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This is why I'm in favor of drafting Peterman. I think he can pick up the system and run it in less time than some of the other QB's.

For the life of me I cannot figure out how we as fans can come up with viable options and solutions in certain areas and we draft a wr that was not on too many radars when we could have upgraded positions that are of need again this year. Wtf? I think a collective of us fans could do a better job on draft day. I could turn this team into a perennial winner in 3 drafts or less. Book it. Especially with the time and tools these dorks have to work with.


I feel the same way. With so many resources, I have no idea why we miss so often ?
I get it though, for every drafted player, you have to make room on the roster and they are not better than what we have.
That's poor drafting and player development. Have to remember that Spielman was a small school guy and looks to find that diamond in the rough. He also likes to draft athletes and fills in with the bigs Later.
Maybe he's great at the other part of the job, but he's terrible on draft days.


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Is Spielman the one who has that complicated numbers system that supposedly helps him draft better?

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Is Spielman the one who has that complicated numbers system that supposedly helps him draft better?

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Analytics?? A number of teams use them

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This is why I'm in favor of drafting Peterman. I think he can pick up the system and run it in less time than some of the other QB's.

For the life of me I cannot figure out how we as fans can come up with viable options and solutions in certain areas and we draft a wr that was not on too many radars when we could have upgraded positions that are of need again this year. Wtf? I think a collective of us fans could do a better job on draft day. I could turn this team into a perennial winner in 3 drafts or less. Book it. Especially with the time and tools these dorks have to work with.


Who are you referring to, MoBo?


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This is why I'm in favor of drafting Peterman. I think he can pick up the system and run it in less time than some of the other QB's.

For the life of me I cannot figure out how we as fans can come up with viable options and solutions in certain areas and we draft a wr that was not on too many radars when we could have upgraded positions that are of need again this year. Wtf? I think a collective of us fans could do a better job on draft day. I could turn this team into a perennial winner in 3 drafts or less. Book it. Especially with the time and tools these dorks have to work with.


I feel the same way. With so many resources, I have no idea why we miss so often ?
I get it though, for every drafted player, you have to make room on the roster and they are not better than what we have.
That's poor drafting and player development. Have to remember that Spielman was a small school guy and looks to find that diamond in the rough. He also likes to draft athletes and fills in with the bigs Later.
Maybe he's great at the other part of the job, but he's terrible on draft days.


What players have we developed on the offensive side of the ball lately? I'm hoping the new coaches can start making progress with that.


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This is why I'm in favor of drafting Peterman. I think he can pick up the system and run it in less time than some of the other QB's.

For the life of me I cannot figure out how we as fans can come up with viable options and solutions in certain areas and we draft a wr that was not on too many radars when we could have upgraded positions that are of need again this year. Wtf? I think a collective of us fans could do a better job on draft day. I could turn this team into a perennial winner in 3 drafts or less. Book it. Especially with the time and tools these dorks have to work with.


Who are you referring to, MoBo?

No, referring to Patterson, Treadwell, and Bridgewater. All 1st round picks and disappointing to me. I would have went a thousand different ways. Most recently Treadwell and Bridgewater. Could have done better in later rounds and drafted players at other positions in need. How many drafts did it take to finally draft a damn LB?

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Maybe it is just me, but the backup QB position is a major concern for this team. We have to act like Teddy Bridgewater will not play this season. I like Taylor Henicke, but it would be foolish just to count on him.

Bradford stayed healthy last season, but there is no way we can assume Bradford will stay healthy all this season. I am not trying to be ominous, I am being realistic. We need to figure out the backup QB position. It sounds like the team is leaning toward drafting a rookie. But, we have seen this story play out before.

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Is Spielman the one who has that complicated numbers system that supposedly helps him draft better?

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Analytics?? A number of teams use them

I wonder if Belichek uses analytics. Idk, all fhat time crunching numbers to evaluate? How about using some good old fashioned legwork.

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Maybe it is just me, but the backup QB position is a major concern for this team. We have to act like Teddy Bridgewater will not play this season. I like Taylor Henicke, but it would be foolish just to count on him.

Bradford stayed healthy last season, but there is no way we can assume Bradford will stay healthy all this season. I am not trying to be ominous, I am being realistic. We need to figure out the backup QB position. It sounds like the team is leaning toward drafting a rookie. But, we have seen this story play out before.


By the looks of it, I think they plan on drafting one

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Maybe it is just me, but the backup QB position is a major concern for this team. We have to act like Teddy Bridgewater will not play this season. I like Taylor Henicke, but it would be foolish just to count on him.

Bradford stayed healthy last season, but there is no way we can assume Bradford will stay healthy all this season. I am not trying to be ominous, I am being realistic. We need to figure out the backup QB position. It sounds like the team is leaning toward drafting a rookie. But, we have seen this story play out before.

We've had such horrible luck at drafting qb's I'm hoping that finally gets turned around. Just like LB'S, it's been a sore spot with me for years.

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I know it doesn't mean much, but Teddy is throwing. Still has a long way to go before he can return (if he ever can), but at least this shows progress of some kind.


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No, referring to Patterson, Treadwell, and Bridgewater. All 1st round picks and disappointing to me. I would have went a thousand different ways. Most recently Treadwell and Bridgewater. Could have done better in later rounds and drafted players at other positions in need. How many drafts did it take to finally draft a damn LB?


I see. The "draft a wr that was not on too many radars" threw me. Patterson and Treadwell were by almost all accounts, projected 1st rounders. I wasn't thrilled with Treadwell pick, I wonder if Fuller would have been the pick had he not gone right before.


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Maybe it is just me, but the backup QB position is a major concern for this team. We have to act like Teddy Bridgewater will not play this season. I like Taylor Henicke, but it would be foolish just to count on him.

Bradford stayed healthy last season, but there is no way we can assume Bradford will stay healthy all this season. I am not trying to be ominous, I am being realistic. We need to figure out the backup QB position. It sounds like the team is leaning toward drafting a rookie. But, we have seen this story play out before.

We've had such horrible luck at drafting qb's I'm hoping that finally gets turned around. Just like LB'S, it's been a sore spot with me for years.


We struggled with LBs at first but since Zim has been here we've gotten Barr and Kendricks. And I believe Kendricks is one of the most underrated LBs in the game.

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Kendrick will be a star. I think Barr will be as well.

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Kendrick will be a star. I think Barr will be as well.

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I agree. I'm not ever going to be worried about LB as long as Zim is here

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Maybe it is just me, but the backup QB position is a major concern for this team. We have to act like Teddy Bridgewater will not play this season. I like Taylor Henicke, but it would be foolish just to count on him.

Bradford stayed healthy last season, but there is no way we can assume Bradford will stay healthy all this season. I am not trying to be ominous, I am being realistic. We need to figure out the backup QB position. It sounds like the team is leaning toward drafting a rookie. But, we have seen this story play out before.



You're certainly not alone. I consider it a major concern as well.


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Maybe it is just me, but the backup QB position is a major concern for this team. We have to act like Teddy Bridgewater will not play this season. I like Taylor Henicke, but it would be foolish just to count on him.

Bradford stayed healthy last season, but there is no way we can assume Bradford will stay healthy all this season. I am not trying to be ominous, I am being realistic. We need to figure out the backup QB position. It sounds like the team is leaning toward drafting a rookie. But, we have seen this story play out before.



You're certainly not alone. I consider it a major concern as well.


Well yeah I think we all do. I highly doubt we're going into next year with just Heinecke as our only backup. I'm guessing they will draft one given Bradford is almost 30

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Kendrick will be a star. I think Barr will be as well.

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Yes, Kendricks is a beast. Barr I'm not as sure yet but I'll take your word for it. Hopefully he'll stay healthy.

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Well... Now with Case Keenum in the fold my hopes for us drafting a QB have severely plummeted. We've seen this movie before more than a handful of times....

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Well... Now with Case Keenum in the fold my hopes for us drafting a QB have severely plummeted. We've seen this movie before more than a handful of times....


I have a feeling the plan here is to pick up Bridgewater's option and see how his recovery goes, with the underlying, unspoken plan being that he is still their QB of the future. I doubt they will extend Bradford before this season. Instead, I think they'll see how he plays, see how Bridgewater recovers and then make a choice after the 2018 season.

I doubt they'll draft a QB before round 6 or 7, if they draft one at all.

We'll see but it does look like a familiar movie.


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Well... Now with Case Keenum in the fold my hopes for us drafting a QB have severely plummeted. We've seen this movie before more than a handful of times....


I have a feeling the plan here is to pick up Bridgewater's option and see how his recovery goes, with the underlying, unspoken plan being that he is still their QB of the future. I doubt they will extend Bradford before this season. Instead, I think they'll see how he plays, see how Bridgewater recovers and then make a choice after the 2018 season.

I doubt they'll draft a QB before round 6 or 7, if they draft one at all.

We'll see but it does look like a familiar movie.


Don't get me wrong, I want them to pick up Teddy's option. They have to.

Still, I am a big proponent of drafting QBs. What is the harm taking one every year or so? If they don't pan out, they don't pan out. However, recent history has shown the reward of drafting a QB even with an established starter in place (Prescott, Kapernick, Russell Wilson, Carson Wentz).

I wonder where we could be right now if we took Brett Hundley or Trevor Siemman in 2015. Last year, we could have taken any of the QBs outside of round one. Hell, going the extremely route: Just think if we had drafted Dak this past year.

We need to draft a guy to compete with Taylor and Case. If he loses out, he loses out. If not, then that can only be a good thing for the team.

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Don't get me wrong, I want them to pick up Teddy's option. They have to.


I'm not sure they should, although I'm unclear on whether a preexisting injury would lead to that option being guaranteed once picked up. If so, it might be a good idea to pass on it.

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Still, I am a big proponent of drafting QBs. What is the harm taking one every year or so? If they don't pan out, they don't pan out. However, recent history has shown the reward of drafting a QB even with an established starter in place (Prescott, Kapernick, Russell Wilson, Carson Wentz).

I wonder where we could be right now if we took Brett Hundley or Trevor Siemman in 2015. Last year, we could have taken any of the QBs outside of round one. Hell, going the extremely route: Just think if we had drafted Dak this past year.

We need to draft a guy to compete with Taylor and Case. If he loses out, he loses out. If not, then that can only be a good thing for the team.


I've been a proponent of that approach for years so I understand where you're coming from. :)


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I think its a good move. Obviously nobody really knows, but all indications point to Bridgewater not being be able to play this upcoming season, so he seems like he's out of the equation when talking solely about this year. Would anybody really be comfortable heading in to the season with Heineke and a late round rookie as the only back up potentials?

In terms of developmental quarterbacks, we have one right now with Heineke. I'm not sure that they would find anyone better in the later rounds as he hasn't really had much of an opportunity or been around very long. Most likely anyone picked up that late would be a similar project sort of situation. I'm really not going to say either way as the later round quarterbacks seem like quite the crapshoot. If they do see someone they like, they can draft him and always dump Heineke.

I don't see this move as giving up on developing a younger quarterback. I see it as getting someone who has some starting experience who could back up Bradford for a couple of games somewhat adequately. There aren't any real world beaters out there at this point for backup options so this seems like one of the better options out there.


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I thought when a player is injured the 5th year option is automatic like with Floyd? Or am I mistaken?

I'd be fine with them grabbing a mid-round (4th or so) QB.


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I really hope the Vikes have their antennae up for drafting a QB with great development potential. In the past, they frequently held up unrealistic hopes against bad injuries...ie Stussie, Loadholt, etc

Bridgewater is an unproven commodity who has just seriously degraded one of his best assets, ie his mobility. He is NOT a QB to bank the future on. Bradford is a solid choice currently, but we need a protege in the wings.

There is no room for soft sentiments in the NFL. A competent GM would already be planning for the Post-Teddy era. I don't know that Spielman has a clear mind on this issue.


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Well... Now with Case Keenum in the fold my hopes for us drafting a QB have severely plummeted. We've seen this movie before more than a handful of times....


I have a feeling the plan here is to pick up Bridgewater's option and see how his recovery goes, with the underlying, unspoken plan being that he is still their QB of the future. I doubt they will extend Bradford before this season. Instead, I think they'll see how he plays, see how Bridgewater recovers and then make a choice after the 2018 season.

I doubt they'll draft a QB before round 6 or 7, if they draft one at all.

We'll see but it does look like a familiar movie.


Don't get me wrong, I want them to pick up Teddy's option. They have to.

Still, I am a big proponent of drafting QBs. What is the harm taking one every year or so? If they don't pan out, they don't pan out. However, recent history has shown the reward of drafting a QB even with an established starter in place (Prescott, Kapernick, Russell Wilson, Carson Wentz).

I wonder where we could be right now if we took Brett Hundley or Trevor Siemman in 2015. Last year, we could have taken any of the QBs outside of round one. Hell, going the extremely route: Just think if we had drafted Dak this past year.

We need to draft a guy to compete with Taylor and Case. If he loses out, he loses out. If not, then that can only be a good thing for the team.


Agree. I'd rather draft and develop than sign the Keenums of the world. Everyone knows Keenum is marginal at best and you're probably losing with him as your starter. It's a waste of a roster spot. The only way to get a good QB is to draft one, get lucky, or trade a first for a solid but unspectacular one. I'll go draft everytime. Rounds 2 through 4 are where you take them to develop behind your starter.

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No, referring to Patterson, Treadwell, and Bridgewater. All 1st round picks and disappointing to me. I would have went a thousand different ways. Most recently Treadwell and Bridgewater. Could have done better in later rounds and drafted players at other positions in need. How many drafts did it take to finally draft a damn LB?


I see. The "draft a wr that was not on too many radars" threw me. Patterson and Treadwell were by almost all accounts, projected 1st rounders. I wasn't thrilled with Treadwell pick, I wonder if Fuller would have been the pick had he not gone right before.

Patterson wasn't on my radar at all. Neither was Treadwell. Once I see a player, especially when they are not talking BIG about them but you see them play and wonder why they are not rated higher really puzzles me. For me, the Vikings would have done themselves a better favor by drafting a lineman, either side of the ball, instead of Treadwell. McCarron was available later but was passed on. Clearly no hindsight needed to know that Andy Dalton was better than Ponder. These choices that have been made, no matter where they are rated makes absolutely the most absurd sense to me. Ya feel me?

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I like the Keenum signing... he's an upgrade over Shaun Hill and it gets the whole backup QB situation resolved so they can focus on other areas of immediate need in the draft. It also will give a motivating kick in the buttocks to Heinicke. Let's see how he responds.

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