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Cliff wrote:I know I'm not really part of the discussion but I absolutely think trades for players in the draft should count when considering how the Vikings did in a given draft. It's still the value that was earned via draft picks. Otherwise, in the case of Allen for example, it's as if the team never had a 1st round pick that year. If you discount those players it can make a given draft look a lot worse than it really was.

Allen being established doesn't mean him playing well is a given. He had character issues, etc. He could have easily been a "bust". Just as Bradford could end up being a "bust" for this year's first. You're still basically drafting with that pick, you're just drafting a player already in the league. Whether they preform well, how long they stay with the team, etc. These are all still considerations when thinking about the value that the team got for a given pick.

Of course if the conversation is about how the team is doing at developing a player that's one thing.

If we're talking draft value, that's another.

Mothman wrote:There's a good chance over 50% of the first round picks of the Spielman era won't even make it to a second contract with the team and there haven't been enough quality finds in subsequent rounds, although there have been some.

S197 wrote: Lets take a look at the Super Bowl champs over the same period:

Laurence Maroney - Traded to the Broncos after going on injured reserve. Subsequently released.
Brandon Meriweather - Impressive start but did not make it past his 1st contract. Signed w/ Bears.
Jerod Mayo - Solid player, definite hit and long term Patriot until he retired
Devin McCourty - Re-signed with the Pats and is Co-captain
Nate Solder - Starting LT
Chandler Jones - Traded to the Cardinals, some past drug issues
Donta Hightower - Replaced Mayo and signed to contract extension
Dominique Easley - Released and signed by the Rams
Malcolm Brown - In his second season

They're roughly at a 50% hit rate by the same criteria. Just one other team but I figured I'd take the best team and see how they stack up.

Mothman wrote: I genuinely appreciate the effort but the entire point of my initial statement was that the team needs to hit on more draft picks overall, not just in the first round.That statement didn't seem controversial to me when I wrote it so I'm not sure why it's encountering so much resistance. Does anyone really think the Vikings don't need better results in this area?

jackal wrote:I didn't realize Audie Cole was gone ... I always liked him

YikesVikes wrote:Just posted an article. DT is a big need if true. I don't think the ex-packer can hold up.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nf ... /99838030/

S197 wrote: Man, that's rough

HardcoreVikesFan wrote:Scott Crichton, DE, Waivers

PFT is reporting that former Vikings DE Scott Crichton has failed his physical with the Buffalo Bills. He was subsequently put back on waivers.

(Source: PFT)

Minnesota Vikings Transactions - 3/30/17

Tom Pelissero of USA Today is reporting that the Vikings signed three players who participated in the Pro Combine: TE Nick Truesdell, WR Mitch Matthews, and DB Terrell Sinkfield

(Source: Tom Pelissero)

YikesVikes wrote:Just posted an article. DT is a big need if true. I don't think the ex-packer can hold up.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nf ... /99838030/