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Vikings sign Datone Jones

Solid signing. Good depth up front!


I keep seeing him listed as a DE which is interesting given we have 3 good DEs and on the heels of losing Greenways leadership I dont think they'd cut ties with Robison. I like the idea of putting him at either 3 technique or strong side LB. I will be really interested to see how they use him.


Listening to his introduction to the Twin Cities media, sounds like he'll be DL, and definitely be playing some 3 Tech. Sounds like he met Zimmer and coach Andre Patterson and got a real sense of the role they have for him.


Yeah I saw that too. I like the signing. Potential low risk high reward

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Been busy with work and school the past few days. I updated the OP with contract details.

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I think people need to realize at a certain point you need to cut ties with certain players when you have high round people waiting in the wings. Alexander was a 2nd rounder and should be an upgrade to Captain. Treadwell was a 1st rounder and should be an upgrade to Patterson. Operative word here is should. But that's the way it works, the cap doesn't allow teams to hold onto everyone so at some point your young guys need to step up.

Yes, Patterson was also a 1st rounder and it sucks that he didn't pan out but at least the contingency isn't unknown. The offseason is where tough decisions need to be made, while no one has been re-signed yet, lets not forget they brought in two new tackles, which is pretty huge.


Huge? Well, thanks to some serious mismanagement they desperately needed tackles so I guess it's hue in the sense that they actually have more qualified players for those positions now. However, let's also not forget, in a discussion about the importance of a team keeping their young guys, that those 2 tackles are young guys and their previous teams decided they were no longer needed. The Lions seemed perfectly happy to let Reiff, a former first round pick, walk after his rookie contract. As far as I've been able to determine, the Panthers showed no interest in keeping Remmers at all and both Reiff and Remmers are healthy and in their prime.

The departure of Patterson is disappointing to me because I thought he brought serious value to the team as a special teams player and he emerged last year from whatever doghouse they had him locked in and played well. I felt he was worth keeping for another season or two, especially since the offense appears to moving in a direction in which his skills and talent could be very valuable. Of course, like Reiff, he's a former first round pick whose team seemed happy to let him walk so that tells us something about how both players were ultimately viewed by the teams that drafted them.


Yuuuge

:spanking: Erm sorry...

I say huge only because it represents a 40% change to a bad O-line. And an upgrade based on past performance (whether that translates to future success... who knows).

With the cap, it's a little more complicated than teams are "perfectly happy" to let guys go. It's many factors: cost, depth, need, etc. As an example, I'm sure the Vikings would have liked to keep Kalil.... just not at $50MM. The Lions may feel they don't need a LT and they signed a big $$ RT so Reiff was, I don't want to say expendable, but perhaps easier to let go. Same with Remmers, Carolina got him cheap. I don't follow them so perhaps they have a cap issue or a RT on their depth chart they feel can provide similar protection.

The cap means NFL teams aren't afforded a lot of luxuries so you really need to prioritize your needs. Some teams, O-line is not as much a need. For the Vikings it was. Patterson was a nice luxury but I think there are bigger fish to fry. It's nice to get a guy who can catch a bubble screen or take a jet sweep for extra yards but every dollar (or million) allocated there takes away from other holes. Potentially bigger holes.

In the grand scheme of things it's always tough to lose good players but that's the reality of the present day NFL. Outside of AD, the Vikings didn't lose very many guys that I would define as the nucleus of the team.


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I'm pretty disappointed with the Patterson situation. We gave Wright 7 million guaranteed on his last contract extension. Wright may have averaged a bit less per year, but Pattersons raiders contract is only 5 million guranteed. Wright was mentioned above as #3 now, but there is no way you can convince me that with equal touches, Wright is the better receiver/player than Patterson.


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I'm pretty disappointed with the Patterson situation. We gave Wright 7 million guaranteed on his last contract extension. Wright may have averaged a bit less per year, but Pattersons raiders contract is only 5 million guranteed. Wright was mentioned above as #3 now, but there is no way you can convince me that with equal touches, Wright is the better receiver/player than Patterson.


It was also a completely different time and situation when we gave Wright his contract. So trying to use his contract when comparing Patterson is a useless argument

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It was also a completely different time and situation when we gave Wright his contract. So trying to use his contract when comparing Patterson is a useless argument

It wasn't an argument, just comparing it to past contracts by same guy(Rick). If you can't compare to what they have done in the past, then whatever. $5 million isn't crazy amount of money. I guess you could argue he totally screwed up the Wright deal since Wright hasn't done #### since we gave him 7 million and doesn't want to mess it up again.


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It was also a completely different time and situation when we gave Wright his contract. So trying to use his contract when comparing Patterson is a useless argument

It wasn't an argument, just comparing it to past contracts by same guy(Rick). If you can't compare to what they have done in the past, then whatever. $5 million isn't crazy amount of money. I guess you could argue he totally screwed up the Wright deal since Wright hasn't done #### since we gave him 7 million and doesn't want to mess it up again.


Yeah he hasnt done much but he also had a lot in front of him this past year. But at the time, we were much more desperate for WR than we are now. So like I said, you can't really compare the two. I'm sure if CP needed a new contract back when Wright was resigned he wouldve been resigned. We didnt have many options when Wright was given that contract.

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:spanking: Erm sorry...

I say huge only because it represents a 40% change to a bad O-line. And an upgrade based on past performance (whether that translates to future success... who knows).

With the cap, it's a little more complicated than teams are "perfectly happy" to let guys go. It's many factors: cost, depth, need, etc. As an example, I'm sure the Vikings would have liked to keep Kalil.... just not at $50MM. The Lions may feel they don't need a LT and they signed a big $$ RT so Reiff was, I don't want to say expendable, but perhaps easier to let go.


In their case, it appears they made a very conscious decision to move on. Reiff played LT for the Lions for years and last year, they drafted Taylor Decker to replace Reiff at LT, moved him to RT and then this year, rather than re-signing him after drafting and developing him, they chose to go after Wagner instead, spending money on him they could have spent on reuff.

I'm not saying Reiff's a bad player but it's not insignificant that the Lions have essentially chosen replaced him twice in two years, despite having the means to keep him.


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We signed Latavius Murray?

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Seriously though, as anyone can tell from the #VikingsTwitter account these days, purple pride is fading fast due in large part to Spielman’s free agency strategy. After once again losing another Vikings’ staple, this time in the form of Cordarrelle Patterson, Spielman rushed to respond and quickly agreed to terms with former Oakland Raiders’ running back, Latavius Murray, after his visit on Tuesday.


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I would rather keep AD than sign Murray, but what's done is done I guess

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I would rather keep AD than sign Murray, but what's done is done I guess

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From the sounds of it, Adrian continues to harbor the illusion that he is worth much more than any team is willing to pay for his services, which is exactly what I thought would happen.


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:spanking: Erm sorry...

I say huge only because it represents a 40% change to a bad O-line. And an upgrade based on past performance (whether that translates to future success... who knows).

With the cap, it's a little more complicated than teams are "perfectly happy" to let guys go. It's many factors: cost, depth, need, etc. As an example, I'm sure the Vikings would have liked to keep Kalil.... just not at $50MM. The Lions may feel they don't need a LT and they signed a big $$ RT so Reiff was, I don't want to say expendable, but perhaps easier to let go.


In their case, it appears they made a very conscious decision to move on. Reiff played LT for the Lions for years and last year, they drafted Taylor Decker to replace Reiff at LT, moved him to RT and then this year, rather than re-signing him after drafting and developing him, they chose to go after Wagner instead, spending money on him they could have spent on reuff.

I'm not saying Reiff's a bad player but it's not insignificant that the Lions have essentially chosen replaced him twice in two years, despite having the means to keep him.


He doesn't fit their system.


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So signing a 4th string DE (Griffen, Hunter, Robison) or 4th String 3 Tech (Floyd, Johnson, Robison) is more important than sustaining the best starting point in the NFL. Reminder, we have a limited offense. I just don't understand our FA plan. It's not even about CP or Cap. It's just about improvements. We've spent a lot but I can't say we have improved as a team.

I am happy with the attempt to sign Jeffery and Lacy. I think If we were able to land those two and add Tackles, we would have moved in the right direction. Since we missed on those two, things appear to be random.


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I would rather keep AD than sign Murray, but what's done is done I guess

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Not a chance. Much younger back, more durable at this point, can run out of the gun, can pass block, protects the ball better, can catch the ball, anything else? :lol:

For what reason would anyone want to keep Peterson at this point? He doesn't bring much to the table in this offense. I'm glad to see Spielman not just sign him back just because of who he is. I understand we all loved him but it's time to move on. It's like getting over your first girlfriend. She just isn't worth it anymore

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So signing a 4th string DE (Griffen, Hunter, Robison) or 4th String 3 Tech (Floyd, Johnson, Robison) is more important than sustaining the best starting point in the NFL. Reminder, we have a limited offense. I just don't understand our FA plan. It's not even about CP or Cap. It's just about improvements. We've spent a lot but I can't say we have improved as a team.

I am happy with the attempt to sign Jeffery and Lacy. I think If we were able to land those two and add Tackles, we would have moved in the right direction. Since we missed on those two, things appear to be random.


You're simply saying If we got Jeffery and Lacy it would've been better just because they're big names. If you take the time to sit down and think about it and look at their recent production, you would realize you could easily go in other directions instead of wasting money. Lacy is 267 and Jeffery has missed how many games in two years? But yeah if we signed them it would've been a lot better :confused:

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Think Murray and Cook are both in the facility today...talk of signing might be a bit premature.

I think both would be solid signings at the right price. A decent catching TE to provide support for Rudolph (and to cover potential injury) and a solid blocking back as a complementary piece for McKinnon and meaning we can sign a top RB if one drops to us but won't have to reach for one.


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Think Murray and Cook are both in the facility today...talk of signing might be a bit premature.

I think both would be solid signings at the right price. A decent catching TE to provide support for Rudolph (and to cover potential injury) and a solid blocking back as a complementary piece for McKinnon and meaning we can sign a top RB if one drops to us but won't have to reach for one.


Exactly the way I look at it

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Think Murray and Cook are both in the facility today...talk of signing might be a bit premature.

I think both would be solid signings at the right price. A decent catching TE to provide support for Rudolph (and to cover potential injury) and a solid blocking back as a complementary piece for McKinnon and meaning we can sign a top RB if one drops to us but won't have to reach for one.


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Instead, the Vikings will turn their attention to the 26-year-old Murray, who scored 12 rushing touchdowns and caught 33 passes for the Raiders in 14 games last season. Though only 196 of his 543 career carries have come in the shotgun or the pistol, according to ESPN Stats and Information, Murray has averaged 4.14 yards per carry out of those sets, while playing more than half of his career snaps out of those sets. He's been on the field for 288 third-down snaps in the last four years, and has run more than 80 percent of his routes from shotgun or pistol sets.
In other words, he might be a logical fit for what the Vikings are trying to do on offense


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I don't understand the infatuation with Patterson. He was a first round gunner/kr. Yea he is explosive but it takes much more than that to be a WR in the NFL, and also a bit immature IMO. I think it's pretty obvious that's how the rest of the NFL thinks of him also with the deal he got. Not a big loss for him to go.

I'm not really pumped about the Murray signing. I believe he's a middling back in the NFL. Will be curious to see contract details. It's time to move on from AP tho. He simply doesn't fit with 85% of offenses in the NFL. Honestly can't think of a situation for him to go to where he's a match.

I like the OL signings. Adding quality and much much much needed depth. Remember there is still the draft.

The jones signing is interesting. Has a chance to flourish under zimmer. Especially a prove it deal where the guy can make himself a boatload of money after this year. I like having players on the team that play with their hair on fire for that contract.

If cook is signed that would give two quality pass catching TE. I'm too lazy to look but was he in STL with Sam?


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Just pointing out that Murray has NOT been signed yet. Despite what was posted, there has been no other news providing proof that he is in fact a Viking as of this moment.


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So signing a 4th string DE (Griffen, Hunter, Robison) or 4th String 3 Tech (Floyd, Johnson, Robison) is more important than sustaining the best starting point in the NFL. Reminder, we have a limited offense. I just don't understand our FA plan. It's not even about CP or Cap. It's just about improvements. We've spent a lot but I can't say we have improved as a team.

I am happy with the attempt to sign Jeffery and Lacy. I think If we were able to land those two and add Tackles, we would have moved in the right direction. Since we missed on those two, things appear to be random.


You're simply saying If we got Jeffery and Lacy it would've been better just because they're big names. If you take the time to sit down and think about it and look at their recent production, you would realize you could easily go in other directions instead of wasting money. Lacy is 267 and Jeffery has missed how many games in two years? But yeah if we signed them it would've been a lot better :confused:


Just because you make an assumption doesn't make it so.
1) Alshon played in 12 games last season. I believe that doesn't include the 4 that he was suspended for. Assuming that past injury history equal future injuries is also a logical fallacy. Most importantly, he does exactly what we need at the WR position. He is very adept at catching the deep ball, which in it's self is surprising because he doesn't have elite speed. All of this despite him playing with a replacement QB that makes Sam look like Montana.

2) Despite the injuries to Lacy last season. I believe he is a very capable RB. Looking at his touches and net yardage, he appeared to be a RB that would thrive in our system. Almost the perfect compliment to Mckinnon and/or my choice for 2nd round pick Mixon. As far as his weight it was reported by a WI reporter. I wonder who his source was and if they might have a reason to give a bogus number? You think?

Murray however, is a RB that cannot create. He put up abysmal numbers despite having arguably the 2nd best OL in football, one of the best young Qbs in the game and two studs at WR. Basically every advantage imaginable. He is an improvement over Matt but not someone I would trust to improve our historically awful run game.


In closing, I just want to say that sometimes signing two players that in the past have proven their ability is often better than signing players that you hope you can get more out of. As previously said, we are chasing a 2nd string TE and a 4th String DE when we have bigger issues. You can't tell me that KR is more important than depth for our backups.


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Sam DID play with Cook in St. Louis. Cook was a notorious ball-dropper then though. Seems to have improved since then.

Still not seeing confirmation beyond that yahoo article about Murray signing, so it does seem premature.


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Especially a probe it deal where the guy can make himself a boatload of money after this year.


Reuben Foster thought he didn't like the medical he got at the combine? Wait till he gets to the NFL and gets offered a probe it deal.


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lol I edited that darn thing twice.


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Great news - Newman is coming back (per Ben Goessling)


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Vikings Twitter has just made it official:

Terrence Newman is BACK!


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Looks like Thielen is re-signed. Good news! Will be interesting to see exactly what the final numbers end up being.

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So signing a 4th string DE (Griffen, Hunter, Robison) or 4th String 3 Tech (Floyd, Johnson, Robison) is more important than sustaining the best starting point in the NFL. Reminder, we have a limited offense. I just don't understand our FA plan. It's not even about CP or Cap. It's just about improvements. We've spent a lot but I can't say we have improved as a team.

I am happy with the attempt to sign Jeffery and Lacy. I think If we were able to land those two and add Tackles, we would have moved in the right direction. Since we missed on those two, things appear to be random.


You're simply saying If we got Jeffery and Lacy it would've been better just because they're big names. If you take the time to sit down and think about it and look at their recent production, you would realize you could easily go in other directions instead of wasting money. Lacy is 267 and Jeffery has missed how many games in two years? But yeah if we signed them it would've been a lot better :confused:


Just because you make an assumption doesn't make it so.
1) Alshon played in 12 games last season. I believe that doesn't include the 4 that he was suspended for. Assuming that past injury history equal future injuries is also a logical fallacy. Most importantly, he does exactly what we need at the WR position. He is very adept at catching the deep ball, which in it's self is surprising because he doesn't have elite speed. All of this despite him playing with a replacement QB that makes Sam look like Montana.

2) Despite the injuries to Lacy last season. I believe he is a very capable RB. Looking at his touches and net yardage, he appeared to be a RB that would thrive in our system. Almost the perfect compliment to Mckinnon and/or my choice for 2nd round pick Mixon. As far as his weight it was reported by a WI reporter. I wonder who his source was and if they might have a reason to give a bogus number? You think?

Murray however, is a RB that cannot create. He put up abysmal numbers despite having arguably the 2nd best OL in football, one of the best young Qbs in the game and two studs at WR. Basically every advantage imaginable. He is an improvement over Matt but not someone I would trust to improve our historically awful run game.


In closing, I just want to say that sometimes signing two players that in the past have proven their ability is often better than signing players that you hope you can get more out of. As previously said, we are chasing a 2nd string TE and a 4th String DE when we have bigger issues. You can't tell me that KR is more important than depth for our backups.


I don't have the time to assess all this right now because I gotta run. I can do it later. But Datone Jones isn't a "4th string DE". They plan on playing 3 tech which is what we need. Bottom line is, we're assessing the positions we need to assess. There really isn't a position we haven't gone after yet that we need. Other than probably OG which I'm sure they're banking on drafting. Just let FA take its course then assess these moves after. Still a long way to go

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Relatively speaking to other WR deals, Thielen's new contract is a steal for someone with his production. Love the deal all around.


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Pondering Her Percy wrote:

I don't have the time to assess all this right now because I gotta run. I can do it later. But Datone Jones isn't a "4th string DE". They plan on playing 3 tech which is what we need. Bottom line is, we're assessing the positions we need to assess. There really isn't a position we haven't gone after yet that we need. Other than probably OG which I'm sure they're banking on drafting. Just let FA take its course then assess these moves after. Still a long way to go


His signing doesn't help us.
1) He is a 4th stringer though.

Floyd
Johnson
Robison....

Maybe at best we go Nascar and take out both DT and run Johnson and him together. Maybe he gets in there more than Robison this season? So he's 3rd??? :confused:


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