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It's official. Peterson is a Saint.


Did the Catholic church weigh in on that? ;)

I hope he has a great season.


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I will be very interested to see how he performs.
I would assume that the Saints have a better Ol then we have ( who doesn't?) but then again it seems like I watched their QB get knocked around pretty frequently.
I can just imagine all the pitchforks that will be out in the streets of Minneapolis if AP has an epic season!


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Saints are going RB committee and I don't expect Peterson to be the leader of the committee. Ingram is no Peterson in his prime but he rushed for 1,043 yards last year and caught 46 passes for another 319 yards. Peterson is goal line/short yardage and insurance, I think, unless Ingram can't stay healthy or Peterson outplays him which is a possibility.

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I hope he has 15 good games for the Saints


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Saints are going RB committee and I don't expect Peterson to be the leader of the committee. Ingram is no Peterson in his prime but he rushed for 1,043 yards last year and caught 46 passes for another 319 yards. Peterson is goal line/short yardage and insurance, I think, unless Ingram can't stay healthy or Peterson outplays him which is a possibility.


I wonder if the roles will be that specialized or if they will use them as more of a one-two punch. It will be interesting.

The Vikes had better get their run defense ready for week 1.


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I really hope that Peterson doesn't get the better of us week one (aside from that i hope that he has a good rest of his career). I have a feeling that there are a lot of players on our defense that are very eager for the opportunity to hit Peterson.

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Saints are going RB committee and I don't expect Peterson to be the leader of the committee. Ingram is no Peterson in his prime but he rushed for 1,043 yards last year and caught 46 passes for another 319 yards. Peterson is goal line/short yardage and insurance, I think, unless Ingram can't stay healthy or Peterson outplays him which is a possibility.


I wonder if the roles will be that specialized or if they will use them as more of a one-two punch. It will be interesting.

The Vikes had better get their run defense ready for week 1.


I was thinking the same thing. I have a feeling they are going to run a lot of hurry-up and score 40 pts/game. If that's the case, Ingram and AP will both get close to 20 touches a game.

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Mothman wrote:
Cliff wrote:
Saints are going RB committee and I don't expect Peterson to be the leader of the committee. Ingram is no Peterson in his prime but he rushed for 1,043 yards last year and caught 46 passes for another 319 yards. Peterson is goal line/short yardage and insurance, I think, unless Ingram can't stay healthy or Peterson outplays him which is a possibility.


I wonder if the roles will be that specialized or if they will use them as more of a one-two punch. It will be interesting.

The Vikes had better get their run defense ready for week 1.


I was thinking the same thing. I have a feeling they are going to run a lot of hurry-up and score 40 pts/game. If that's the case, Ingram and AP will both get close to 20 touches a game.


The Saints will probably use them as a one-two punch. That said, they utilize a lot of shotgun sets, which means AD might end up being their power back in regular sets.

I guess we'll find out soon enough.


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It might be a "one-two punch" situation but I don't expect it to be 50-50. Ingram is a better pass catcher and Peterson is ranked bottom 10 in pass blocking by PFF over a 3 year period (and isn't very good in pass protection via the eye test either). These are particularly important attributes for a passing team like the Saints.

This article expresses what I think the Saints see in Peterson;

The NFL is a passing league you say? Not at the goal line in 2016.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fan ... 9411dc11c0

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The NFL is known for its ability to adapt to new and emerging trends in play-calling, so who knows how long the rushing resurgence lasts, but for now, if you need to convert at the goal line, running the ball in is your best bet.

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Wish the Vikings could have worked something out and he could have retired with them.

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It might be a "one-two punch" situation but I don't expect it to be 50-50.


Probably not but that's not what I meant to suggest. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

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This article expresses what I think the Saints see in Peterson;

The NFL is a passing league you say? Not at the goal line in 2016.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fan ... 9411dc11c0

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The NFL is known for its ability to adapt to new and emerging trends in play-calling, so who knows how long the rushing resurgence lasts, but for now, if you need to convert at the goal line, running the ball in is your best bet.


I can't read the article. I've used up my free reading at the Post site for this month. :(


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I can't read the article. I've used up my free reading at the Post site for this month. :(


It gives some stats that show teams had more success running the ball in from the goal line and other short yardage situations than in recent history;

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This year, teams are converting 66 percent of power opportunities into first downs or touchdowns, the highest rate in almost a decade.


I expect the Saints brought him in partially because of that trend. He should still be excellent in those situations and as a change of pace.

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Cliff wrote:
Mothman wrote:
I can't read the article. I've used up my free reading at the Post site for this month. :(


It gives some stats that show teams had more success running the ball in from the goal line and other short yardage situations than in recent history;

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This year, teams are converting 66 percent of power opportunities into first downs or touchdowns, the highest rate in almost a decade.


I expect the Saints brought him in partially because of that trend. He should still be excellent in those situations and as a change of pace.


Thanks for the info.

That seems likely.

I expect creativity and flexibility from them.


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Ending of an era in Minnesota. To me, there have been three eras over the last 20 years. The Randy Moss/Cris Carter fun and gun era, the riverboat/not that great on the field era, and the Adrian Peterson era.

What is the next era?


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At least it isn't the Packers, that would be all sorts of wrong.


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What's the single game rushing record?

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Ending of an era in Minnesota. To me, there have been three eras over the last 20 years. The Randy Moss/Cris Carter fun and gun era, the riverboat/not that great on the field era, and the Adrian Peterson era.

What is the next era?


Nice observation.

I hope it's the dominant D era, with Bradford leading a diverse attack on O. If we draft Mixon, it may become the Joe Mixon Era. I'm unsure what to think of that prospect though.


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What's the single game rushing record?

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Ending of an era in Minnesota. To me, there have been three eras over the last 20 years. The Randy Moss/Cris Carter fun and gun era, the riverboat/not that great on the field era, and the Adrian Peterson era.

What is the next era?


Nice observation.

I hope it's the dominant D era, with Bradford leading a diverse attack on O. If we draft Mixon, it may become the Joe Mixon Era. I'm unsure what to think of that prospect though.


My first thought when reading the question was that's where it's heading (ie: an era defined by the defense).


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On the one hand, I wish Adrian Peterson well, and hope he enjoys some success in the twilight of his career. He was a brilliant player and a great Viking.

On the other hand, in Week 1, I hope he whiffs in pass protection leading to multiple sacks, fumbles twice, drops three passes and runs 12 times for 6 yards.

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Ending of an era in Minnesota. To me, there have been three eras over the last 20 years. The Randy Moss/Cris Carter fun and gun era, the riverboat/not that great on the field era, and the Adrian Peterson era.

What is the next era?


Nice observation.

I hope it's the dominant D era, with Bradford leading a diverse attack on O. If we draft Mixon, it may become the Joe Mixon Era. I'm unsure what to think of that prospect though.


My first thought when reading the question was that's where it's heading (ie: an era defined by the defense).



Something tells me that the defensive lapse we saw post-bye had to do with the psychological stress of Norv's departure and the eye issue (which were likely related, honestly, as a psychosomatic reaction).

I expect Zimmer's D to come back hard this season. I also would not be surprised by a rather high selection of a DT to replace Floyd.


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What's the single game rushing record?

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Thanks. Here's to hoping it doesn't get broken Week 1.

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Yeah AD Lets see some of that fumblitist in Week one


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PurpleMustReign wrote:
808vikingsfan wrote:
What's the single game rushing record?

296

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Thanks. Here's to hoping it doesn't get broken Week 1.


I'll personally run on the field and tackle him before that happens. Ok, there's no way I can tackle him. I'll personally run on the field and get tazed before that happens.


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Something tells me that the defensive lapse we saw post-bye had to do with the psychological stress of Norv's departure and the eye issue (which were likely related, honestly, as a psychosomatic reaction).


While I wish I could attribute it to such factors. I can't bring myself to do so for several reasons:

The breakdowns began before Norv's departure

The defense played arguably it's best game after the bye (against Dallas) with Zimmer in the hospital so I have a hard time believing his eye issues do much to explain sub-par performances, although they certainly could have been a contributing factor. That had to weigh on his mind and be a distraction.

My main reason is simply that the breakdowns weren't new or unique to last season. We've seen Zimmer's defenses get run over by opposing running games before. We've seen them suffer blowout losses every year under Zimmer. In fact, the Vikes have suffered double-digit losses to Green Bay in each of the last 3 seasons , allowing 30 or more points in each of those losses.

That's how I see it anyway. YMMV.

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I expect Zimmer's D to come back hard this season. I also would not be surprised by a rather high selection of a DT to replace Floyd.


That wouldn't surprise me either.


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I really hope that Peterson doesn't get the better of us week one (aside from that i hope that he has a good rest of his career). I have a feeling that there are a lot of players on our defense that are very eager for the opportunity to hit Peterson.

I don't care if he runs 300 yards if the Vikings win.

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If nothing else, we know he's running decoy if he is in on third and long.

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Something tells me that the defensive lapse we saw post-bye had to do with the psychological stress of Norv's departure and the eye issue (which were likely related, honestly, as a psychosomatic reaction).


While I wish I could attribute it to such factors. I can't bring myself to do so for several reasons:

The breakdowns began before Norv's departure

The defense played arguably it's best game after the bye (against Dallas) with Zimmer in the hospital so I have a hard time believing his eye issues do much to explain sub-par performances, although they certainly could have been a contributing factor. That had to weigh on his mind and be a distraction.

My main reason is simply that the breakdowns weren't new or unique to last season. We've seen Zimmer's defenses get run over by opposing running games before. We've seen them suffer blowout losses every year under Zimmer. In fact, the Vikes have suffered double-digit losses to Green Bay in each of the last 3 seasons , allowing 30 or more points in each of those losses.

That's how I see it anyway. YMMV.
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Well, I guess I could have been more precise with my language. :D

I don't think the high stress began the minute Norv left; I'm guessing that Norv left after things had gotten pretty tense. It would be pretty jejune to think otherwise. (Word of the day for VMB: "Jejune" :lol: )

My memory is shoddy, but the general arc I recall with our D was that the latter half of the 2015 season showed steady improvement. Similarly, we started out the 2016 season looking very dominant. After Norv-gate and the eye issue, the D just looked less focused. I don't think it is far fetched to think that may be due to their leader being less than 100% devoted to the task at hand.

Your points are valid--they have never been so consistent that they don't have a soft game, but, the trajectory had been sharply up until life got very complicated for our coach. If I'm wrong, we'll see more wayward play this year even when the seas are no longer rough.


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Well, I guess I could have been more precise with my language. :D

I don't think the high stress began the minute Norv left; I'm guessing that Norv left after things had gotten pretty tense. It would be pretty jejune to think otherwise. (Word of the day for VMB: "Jejune" :lol: )


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Sure, I understand what you mean. Tensions had to be building prior to his departure.

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My memory is shoddy, but the general arc I recall with our D was that the latter half of the 2015 season showed steady improvement. Similarly, we started out the 2016 season looking very dominant. After Norv-gate and the eye issue, the D just looked less focused. I don't think it is far fetched to think that may be due to their leader being less than 100% devoted to the task at hand.


I certainly think it was a factor that likely contributed to or exasperated their problems. I suspect these things are rarely due to one or two factors alone so it's probably smart to just throw it all into the mix. A team (or a defense) is a complex "system" so I imagine there's a cumulative impact felt from all the various things that go awry during a season.

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Your points are valid--they have never been so consistent that they don't have a soft game, but, the trajectory had been sharply up until life got very complicated for our coach. If I'm wrong, we'll see more wayward play this year even when the seas are no longer rough.


I wouldn't be surprised to see them come on strong. They should be tested early with games against last year's #1 and #7-ranked offenses in weeks 1 and 2.


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