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Indy was a weird game. The Detroit games just seems like a lot of dinking and dunking. They knew that if they Stafford held the ball too long they were in trouble. He was getting the ball out quick. Indy kind of reminded me of last year's regular season Seattle game. It seems like we're good for one of those type games a year. We either run with teams and win or lose by a little then there is one game we look worse than the Browns. Not sure what it is but it's starting to seem like a once a year thing. Hopefully we can start to stop that


I wish it was just a "once a year" thing. It happens more than that. In the last 2 years, we've seen it happen again and again. It occurred @SF, home against GB and home against SEA in 2015. In 2016, they were blown out by Indy and @GB. They were dominated @CHI and @PHI too, even though late, "garbage time" TDs kept the final scores in those last 2 games a little closer than the others.

That's 7 games in 2 seasons in which the Vikes weren't really competitive. :(


Philly dominated our offense which isn't hard to do. I would say our defense held its own that game. It's just we couldn't stop turning the ball over. I'm talking about games where both O and D play bad. Philly wasn't one of those games



Okay, so call it 6 in the past 2 years if you'd prefer. It's clearly more than one game per season.


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dinking and dunking is the way to success today....The Pats, Seattle, even GB buy into the "death by a thousand papercuts" offense, and it works (well, not for us, naturally). I guess the big question is how do we do better at defending it, esp vs the run. One BIG step is to have a competent offense that can actually accomplish some ball control time and allow the D to rest and force the opponent to take more risks under pressure. Anyone able to look at how our D performed on Third downs this year? I feel like we gave up alot of 1st down plays on 3rd down, but I am no Stat Master.


They were ranked 15th and allowed a 3rd down conversion percentage of 38.83% for the season:

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/o ... ersion-pct


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dinking and dunking is the way to success today....The Pats, Seattle, even GB buy into the "death by a thousand papercuts" offense, and it works (well, not for us, naturally). I guess the big question is how do we do better at defending it, esp vs the run. One BIG step is to have a competent offense that can actually accomplish some ball control time and allow the D to rest and force the opponent to take more risks under pressure. Anyone able to look at how our D performed on Third downs this year? I feel like we gave up alot of 1st down plays on 3rd down, but I am no Stat Master.


They were ranked 15th and allowed a 3rd down conversion percentage of 38.83% for the season:

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/o ... ersion-pct


Until that improves, this defense cannot be considered great or elite. That, and improving the run defense. The defense is good, but it still has a ways to go before it can be considered among the elite defenses in the NFL.

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dinking and dunking is the way to success today....The Pats, Seattle, even GB buy into the "death by a thousand papercuts" offense, and it works (well, not for us, naturally). I guess the big question is how do we do better at defending it, esp vs the run. One BIG step is to have a competent offense that can actually accomplish some ball control time and allow the D to rest and force the opponent to take more risks under pressure. Anyone able to look at how our D performed on Third downs this year? I feel like we gave up alot of 1st down plays on 3rd down, but I am no Stat Master.


They were ranked 15th and allowed a 3rd down conversion percentage of 38.83% for the season:

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/o ... ersion-pct


Until that improves, this defense cannot be considered great or elite. That, and improving the run defense. The defense is good, but it still has a ways to go before it can be considered among the elite defenses in the NFL.



IMO, the most important stat is scoring. They were #5 for the past 2 years. Not sure if I would call them elite but they're in the ballpark.

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Until that improves, this defense cannot be considered great or elite. That, and improving the run defense. The defense is good, but it still has a ways to go before it can be considered among the elite defenses in the NFL.


I agree. Elite means the best and the Vikes defense doesn't fit that description. They're good. They've been one of the better defenses in the league over the past few years but they're simply not elite, at least I don't think they meet that definition.

To me, in addition to what you mentioned above, what would help make them truly elite would be to play more consistently and to come through more often when needed most. They need to close out games like the two losses to Detroit last year. They need to show up and stifle opponents when the postseason is on the line, rather than allowing 70+ points in 2 weeks like they did to the Colts and Packers in that situation last year. I'm not saying they should be perfect. Even the best defenses have a bad game once in a while but they have a few more steps to take before they're truly elite.


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... and once again had a losing record as a starter on an offense that struggled to score points. As I've already said, that's not all his fault but the point is there are, and should be, questions about whether Bradford is the kind of QB who can lead a team to a Super Bowl and there's also a question about his future with the Vikings beyond 2017. Chicagopurple wasn't wrong to say QB is still a bit of a question mark. We know the Vikings have a legitimate starter but how far they can go with that starter and how long he'll remain the starter are both open questions.

Sam Bradford just put together the best season for a Vikings quarterback not named Brett Favre since Daunte Culpepper in 2004.

As for the winning record thing, a lot of that has to do with who's around you. For example, in 2012, when Christian Ponder recorded 10 of his 14 career wins, he had this MVP guy playing behind him who ran for almost 2,100 yards. So that prolly helped. And if Christian Ponder had ever completed 71.6% of his passes and 3,800 yards in a season, he'd still be here.

So sure, I guess quarterback a question mark ... probably the lowest priority question mark on the entire offense, but a question mark.

Personally, I think we need to concentrate on the offensive line.

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dinking and dunking is the way to success today....The Pats, Seattle, even GB buy into the "death by a thousand papercuts" offense, and it works (well, not for us, naturally). I guess the big question is how do we do better at defending it, esp vs the run. One BIG step is to have a competent offense that can actually accomplish some ball control time and allow the D to rest and force the opponent to take more risks under pressure. Anyone able to look at how our D performed on Third downs this year? I feel like we gave up alot of 1st down plays on 3rd down, but I am no Stat Master.


They were ranked 15th and allowed a 3rd down conversion percentage of 38.83% for the season:

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/o ... ersion-pct


Until that improves, this defense cannot be considered great or elite. That, and improving the run defense. The defense is good, but it still has a ways to go before it can be considered among the elite defenses in the NFL.


When you say "among the elite defenses" I'm just curious as to who you are referring to? Not necessarily saying we are elite but we were 3rd in total defense this year. And if you're going to say Denver and Seattle, they were both behind us in that category as well. The only ones in front of us were Houston and Arizona. Denver had an elite pass defense but their run defense was lightyears worse than ours was. Houstons run D was middle of the pack after a horrible start. And Arizona's was #9. To be honest, I don't know if you could classify any defense in the NFL right now elite. Denver's was last year but was much worse this year from a run standpoint. I don't see Houstons D as elite. I would put us in the category of "very good" right up there with Arizona, Houston, Denver and Seattle. We definitely have a top 5 defense in the NFL. I would even say right in the top 3 range.

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... and once again had a losing record as a starter on an offense that struggled to score points. As I've already said, that's not all his fault but the point is there are, and should be, questions about whether Bradford is the kind of QB who can lead a team to a Super Bowl and there's also a question about his future with the Vikings beyond 2017. Chicagopurple wasn't wrong to say QB is still a bit of a question mark. We know the Vikings have a legitimate starter but how far they can go with that starter and how long he'll remain the starter are both open questions.

Sam Bradford just put together the best season for a Vikings quarterback not named Brett Favre since Daunte Culpepper in 2004.

As for the winning record thing, a lot of that has to do with who's around you. For example, in 2012, when Christian Ponder recorded 10 of his 14 career wins, he had this MVP guy playing behind him who ran for almost 2,100 yards. So that prolly helped. And if Christian Ponder had ever completed 71.6% of his passes and 3,800 yards in a season, he'd still be here.

So sure, I guess quarterback a question mark ... probably the lowest priority question mark on the entire offense, but a question mark.

Personally, I think we need to concentrate on the offensive line.


That's obviously their first priority, just not the only thing on their plate.


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On the dink and dunk thing: GB is not a dink and dunk team. Rogers is the best deep passer the league has ever seen. He doesn't hold the ball for 10 seconds every other play because he is throwing quick slants and flat passes to the RB.

Our defense has shown it CAN shut down just about anyone. I would argue that the only argument for it not being elite is the fact that it has had issues with consistency over the course of a 16 game season. However, I would also argue that the biggest source of that inconsistency is offensive ineptitude. Last season the other side of the ball had no ability to bail them out if they made mistakes, thus every mistake was magnified.

In that respect, fixing the OL would probably do more for the defense that adding bodies, IMO.

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On the dink and dunk thing: GB is not a dink and dunk team. Rogers is the best deep passer the league has ever seen. He doesn't hold the ball for 10 seconds every other play because he is throwing quick slants and flat passes to the RB.

Our defense has shown it CAN shut down just about anyone. I would argue that the only argument for it not being elite is the fact that it has had issues with consistency over the course of a 16 game season. However, I would also argue that the biggest source of that inconsistency is offensive ineptitude. Last season the other side of the ball had no ability to bail them out if they made mistakes, thus every mistake was magnified.

In that respect, fixing the OL would probably do more for the defense that adding bodies, IMO.


That's a pretty solid take on the situation....me thinks :thumbsup:


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On the dink and dunk thing: GB is not a dink and dunk team. Rogers is the best deep passer the league has ever seen. He doesn't hold the ball for 10 seconds every other play because he is throwing quick slants and flat passes to the RB.

Our defense has shown it CAN shut down just about anyone. I would argue that the only argument for it not being elite is the fact that it has had issues with consistency over the course of a 16 game season. However, I would also argue that the biggest source of that inconsistency is offensive ineptitude. Last season the other side of the ball had no ability to bail them out if they made mistakes, thus every mistake was magnified.

In that respect, fixing the OL would probably do more for the defense that adding bodies, IMO.


Maybe, but laying the defense's shortcomings at the feet of the offense only goes so far. The offense didn't allow the Colts to score 27 points in the first half, allow the Bears to pound the ball for 150+ yards in the game at Soldier Field, blow late leads against Detroit twice, etc. It has been a contributing factor but the biggest source of inconsistency on defense seems to lie in the defense itself. They have areas of vulnerability that can be very effectively exploited by a team equipped to do so. Their stats for the season are even a bit deceptive as their performance early lifts their overall rankings.

Simply put: they're very good but they still have some work to do.


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On the dink and dunk thing: GB is not a dink and dunk team. Rogers is the best deep passer the league has ever seen. He doesn't hold the ball for 10 seconds every other play because he is throwing quick slants and flat passes to the RB.

Our defense has shown it CAN shut down just about anyone. I would argue that the only argument for it not being elite is the fact that it has had issues with consistency over the course of a 16 game season. However, I would also argue that the biggest source of that inconsistency is offensive ineptitude. Last season the other side of the ball had no ability to bail them out if they made mistakes, thus every mistake was magnified.

In that respect, fixing the OL would probably do more for the defense that adding bodies, IMO.


Maybe, but laying the defense's shortcomings at the feet of the offense only goes so far. The offense didn't allow the Colts to score 27 points in the first half, allow the Bears to pound the ball for 150+ yards in the game at Soldier Field, blow late leads against Detroit twice, etc. It has been a contributing factor but the biggest source of inconsistency on defense seems to lie in the defense itself. They have areas of vulnerability that can be very effectively exploited by a team equipped to do so. Their stats for the season are even a bit deceptive as their performance early lifts their overall rankings.

Simply put: they're very good but they still have some work to do.

What they did to Carolina was very impressive. They made the reigning MVP look like a fool. They also made Eli Manning look like a rookie. It seemed they got either lazy or too predictable and teams figured them out. I think they have the talent to be elite, but the question is can they learn to be elite? Strong defenses are nkt made over night. The strong Ravens defenses in the early 2000s took a long time to get to where they were. Ray Lewis was drafted in 1998 if i remember right, and they weren't a fierce defense until the 2000 season.

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On the dink and dunk thing: GB is not a dink and dunk team. Rogers is the best deep passer the league has ever seen. He doesn't hold the ball for 10 seconds every other play because he is throwing quick slants and flat passes to the RB.

Our defense has shown it CAN shut down just about anyone. I would argue that the only argument for it not being elite is the fact that it has had issues with consistency over the course of a 16 game season. However, I would also argue that the biggest source of that inconsistency is offensive ineptitude. Last season the other side of the ball had no ability to bail them out if they made mistakes, thus every mistake was magnified.

In that respect, fixing the OL would probably do more for the defense that adding bodies, IMO.


Maybe, but laying the defense's shortcomings at the feet of the offense only goes so far. The offense didn't allow the Colts to score 27 points in the first half, allow the Bears to pound the ball for 150+ yards in the game at Soldier Field, blow late leads against Detroit twice, etc. It has been a contributing factor but the biggest source of inconsistency on defense seems to lie in the defense itself. They have areas of vulnerability that can be very effectively exploited by a team equipped to do so. Their stats for the season are even a bit deceptive as their performance early lifts their overall rankings.

Simply put: they're very good but they still have some work to do.

What they did to Carolina was very impressive. They made the reigning MVP look like a fool. They also made Eli Manning look like a rookie. It seemed they got either lazy or too predictable and teams figured them out. I think they have the talent to be elite, but the question is can they learn to be elite? Strong defenses are nkt made over night. The strong Ravens defenses in the early 2000s took a long time to get to where they were. Ray Lewis was drafted in 1998 if i remember right, and they weren't a fierce defense until the 2000 season.

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Our D looked solid early on this season before Norv-Gate and Zim's vision issue and then the OL unravelling. It seemed to me that all of those issues pulled his attention away from his pet project, the D. Just my hunch.


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On the dink and dunk thing: GB is not a dink and dunk team. Rogers is the best deep passer the league has ever seen. He doesn't hold the ball for 10 seconds every other play because he is throwing quick slants and flat passes to the RB.

Our defense has shown it CAN shut down just about anyone. I would argue that the only argument for it not being elite is the fact that it has had issues with consistency over the course of a 16 game season. However, I would also argue that the biggest source of that inconsistency is offensive ineptitude. Last season the other side of the ball had no ability to bail them out if they made mistakes, thus every mistake was magnified.

In that respect, fixing the OL would probably do more for the defense that adding bodies, IMO.


Maybe, but laying the defense's shortcomings at the feet of the offense only goes so far. The offense didn't allow the Colts to score 27 points in the first half, allow the Bears to pound the ball for 150+ yards in the game at Soldier Field, blow late leads against Detroit twice, etc. It has been a contributing factor but the biggest source of inconsistency on defense seems to lie in the defense itself. They have areas of vulnerability that can be very effectively exploited by a team equipped to do so. Their stats for the season are even a bit deceptive as their performance early lifts their overall rankings.

Simply put: they're very good but they still have some work to do.


I didn't say the offense was the sole cause of defensive issues. I said I felt that fixing the offense would do more for the defense than just about any personnel moves they might make on the defensive side of the ball.

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I didn't say the offense was the sole cause of defensive issues. I said I felt that fixing the offense would do more for the defense than just about any personnel moves they might make on the defensive side of the ball.


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Shurmur made some comments today about how the '17 offense will be different and more effective in the running game. Not sure how that will happen without some quality at OL AND a RB change......I wonder if this implies any real news, ie a deal for RB or free agent OL.


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I didn't say the offense was the sole cause of defensive issues. I said I felt that fixing the offense would do more for the defense than just about any personnel moves they might make on the defensive side of the ball.


I'm aware of what you wrote. I was responding directly to the point you made. You suggested the offense was the biggest source of the Vikings defensive inconsistency. I think that's putting too way much responsibility for the aforementioned inconsistency on a unit that wasn't even on the field when it occurred.

Improving the offense would benefit the defense but suggesting the offense is the biggest cause of defensive inconsistency overstates the case.


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Our D looked solid early on this season before Norv-Gate and Zim's vision issue and then the OL unravelling. It seemed to me that all of those issues pulled his attention away from his pet project, the D. Just my hunch.


It's difficult to gauge their impact but those issues certainly didn't help.


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there WAS a big slide on defensive performance in the second half without any big changes due to injury. There also wasnt any big change in defensive schemes. I would have to believe either it was fatigue from over use (offenses fault but ALSO a failure to prevent teams from grinding things out on the ground) and, or, by the second half the league had figured out the Vikes schemes and the Vikes Defensive coordinators failed to adapt/change things up a bit. I dont think it was due to a tougher second half schedule.


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there WAS a big slide on defensive performance in the second half without any big changes due to injury. There also wasnt any big change in defensive schemes. I would have to believe either it was fatigue from over use (offenses fault but ALSO a failure to prevent teams from grinding things out on the ground) and, or, by the second half the league had figured out the Vikes schemes and the Vikes Defensive coordinators failed to adapt/change things up a bit. I dont think it was due to a tougher second half schedule.


I think it's simply that they have some vulnerable spots. The main one is that a team with the will and personnel to do so can run on them very effectively. They struggle to get off the field at times and give up some long, draining drives. They're vulnerable in the middle, especially when Smith is out or playing hurt. Their pass rush is good overall but disappears for stretches. Keep them in base personnel and a team can take advantage of their LBs in coverage.

All defenses have vulnerable areas so none of that is meant to sound overly harsh. My point is that I don't think we have to look off the field or past the defense itself to see where their inconsistency begins.


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I think part of it is the style of defense that's utilized. It's a defense that is very aggressive, which entails high risk. This magnifies any poor play call or player out of position. You're going to see a good defense the majority of the time but you're also going to see a defense that gets beat in certain circumstances. I don't think this will ever change under Zimmer, he might be able to reduce the amount of volatility to some degree but it's always going to be a defense that takes chances and with those risks come both high rewards but also failures.

I think the current structure of the NFL makes this type of defense almost a necessity. The offense has a tremendous advantages so you need to create a defense that can cause turnovers and create pressure. It's extremely difficult to keep offenses off the score board these days.


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I think part of it is the style of defense that's utilized. It's a defense that is very aggressive, which entails high risk. This magnifies any poor play call or player out of position. You're going to see a good defense the majority of the time but you're also going to see a defense that gets beat in certain circumstances. I don't think this will ever change under Zimmer, he might be able to reduce the amount of volatility to some degree but it's always going to be a defense that takes chances and with those risks come both high rewards but also failures.


I agree. When you play a lot of man-to-man coverage and you like to blitz, sometimes you're just going to get burned.


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The biggest problem they had late in the season was that their margin for error was almost zero. The offense was giving them next to nothing. Consider that in most of our wins, it required a score in the return game or from the defense to cement the victory. That level of offensive play, as detailed here relentlessly was/is pathetic.

Did they come out and play poorly at times? Absolutely. Did they surrender some 4th quarter leads? Yes. But it wouldn't have mattered nearly as much if the offense would have turned around and made even 5 extra plays in some of those games. That would mean they are on the field for one less series, they get a few extra minutes to relax, more time on the sidelines to adjust, etc. etc. etc. None of this is rocket science.

A fun exercise, related to this debate:

How much better would the Vikings offense have been if TJ Clemmings (and his unique "ability" to sabotage drives) was replaced with the 20th best LT in the league? One player isn't the solution? Probably not, but i think people are undervaluing just how terrible #68 was last season. His mistakes were all magnified by the fact that the rest of the offense just wasn't good enough to over come them. I bet if fix that one position and it would probably eliminate at least 1 3 & out per game, add 2-3 minutes to TOP, and maybe even add 2-3PPG. That alone dramatically changes the dynamic of how a lot of the games played last year turned out. It probably would have beaten Dallas and as well as winning one of the DET games. How much does that change the conversation on the defense?

If they have to keep the defense exactly the same to address the situation at Tackle then that better be what they do. If they go into next year with the same mess at Tackle then it won't matter if even Aaron Donald signs with us.

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The biggest problem they had late in the season was that their margin for error was almost zero. The offense was giving them next to nothing. Consider that in most of our wins, it required a score in the return game or from the defense to cement the victory. That level of offensive play, as detailed here relentlessly was/is pathetic.

Did they come out and play poorly at times? Absolutely. Did they surrender some 4th quarter leads? Yes. But it wouldn't have mattered nearly as much if the offense would have turned around and made even 5 extra plays in some of those games. That would mean they are on the field for one less series, they get a few extra minutes to relax, more time on the sidelines to adjust, etc. etc. etc. None of this is rocket science.


No, it's not but nobody is arguing that more production from the offense wouldn't have helped the defense in some capacity. I simply took issue with your assertion that the offense was the biggest source of the Vikings defensive inconsistency.

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Shurmur made some comments today about how the '17 offense will be different and more effective in the running game. Not sure how that will happen without some quality at OL AND a RB change......I wonder if this implies any real news, ie a deal for RB or free agent OL.


No it's just obvious needs right now which they are going to assess. I would hope there is no "deal for a RB". We need to draft one. I'm sure they will assess OL in both FA and draft

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What was odd is the defense seemed to "fall apart" when Sendejo got hurt. He made the INT in Philly and hurt himself on the return if I recall correctly, and things weren't the same after that. I wonder if some players had to overcompensate or try to figure out different players around them and that affected things? Smith and Sendejo sure seemed to be playing well together. Harris and Kearse were not nearly as effective as Sendejo was.

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I think the problem with the Defense was a combination of things.
It hurt the D not having Floyd all season long.
Another thing was stupid penalties or questionable penalties called againest us.
Couple times 3rd and 4 and Griffen jumped offsides. Giving the other team a first down only to continue a drive that gave up points.
Greenaway didn't have the speed to cover TE & RB's - Colts game in particular
Barr not having a good year.
And the younger players giving up some big plays.

It all adds up.


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What was odd is the defense seemed to "fall apart" when Sendejo got hurt. He made the INT in Philly and hurt himself on the return if I recall correctly, and things weren't the same after that. I wonder if some players had to overcompensate or try to figure out different players around them and that affected things? Smith and Sendejo sure seemed to be playing well together. Harris and Kearse were not nearly as effective as Sendejo was.


I agree. Now is this because sendejo is better than we give him credit for? Or is it that Harris and Kearse were so God-awful that their drop-off from a slightly below average sendejo is obvious?????

Sort of like replacing Kalil with TJ Clemmings :smilevike:


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PurpleMustReign wrote:
What was odd is the defense seemed to "fall apart" when Sendejo got hurt. He made the INT in Philly and hurt himself on the return if I recall correctly, and things weren't the same after that. I wonder if some players had to overcompensate or try to figure out different players around them and that affected things? Smith and Sendejo sure seemed to be playing well together. Harris and Kearse were not nearly as effective as Sendejo was.


I agree. Now is this because sendejo is better than we give him credit for? Or is it that Harris and Kearse were so God-awful that their drop-off from a slightly below average sendejo is obvious?????

Sort of like replacing Kalil with TJ Clemmings :smilevike:


Sendejo has turned into a pretty decent safety. Harris isn't bad, and Kearse was a 6th round rookie, so you can't expect much from him.

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The Safeties in question are young. It is the same reason Waynes and Alexander do not see more significant playing time. Mistakes in the secondary can be very costly in the NFL, plus the HC has extremely low tolerance for them, thus the young guys sit. I suspect much of Treadwell's issues are in a similar vein. We saw an example in the Dallas game where he ran a total boneheaded route and cost them in the red zone.

On a side note: If Waynes can learn to stop being so grabby he is going to be an incredible CB. He seems capable of playing even tighter coverage that Rhodes.

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