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Zimmer said Diggs will travel and has a chance to play Sunday.

Bradford not practicing.

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That is bad news about SB. I suspect his career could be a in serious jeopardy.

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That is bad news about SB. I suspect his career could be a in serious jeopardy.


It doesnt mean much to me. Is it really worth it to rush him back vs the Browns when the bye week is coming up the week after? No. Not sure how you career ends by a bone bruise. Unless their is nerve damage, he'll be back at some point but something is telling me Teddy will be back before him

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Keenum was limited with a chest injury. Should be OK to start Sunday. Floyd returned (limited, shoulder). Diggs also returned (limited, shoulder).

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Keenum was limited with a chest injury. Should be OK to start Sunday. Floyd returned (limited, shoulder). Diggs also returned (limited, shoulder).
If Keenum gets hurt, I will spit.

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Keenum was limited with a chest injury. Should be OK to start Sunday. Floyd returned (limited, shoulder). Diggs also returned (limited, shoulder).
If Keenum gets hurt, I will spit.

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He (hopefully) only needs to make it through Sunday and get the win. Hopefully we'd have one of Teddy/Sam up and ready to dance after the bye.

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mansquatch wrote:
That is bad news about SB. I suspect his career could be a in serious jeopardy.


It doesnt mean much to me. Is it really worth it to rush him back vs the Browns when the bye week is coming up the week after? No. Not sure how you career ends by a bone bruise. Unless their is nerve damage, he'll be back at some point but something is telling me Teddy will be back before him


Its a non contact bone bruise. Its directly related to his prior knee issues from my interpretation. Wear and tear. There have been some decent write-ups on it. Don't have time to dig one up right now. Head trainer Eric Sugarman talks about it in an interview after his failed start in Chicago. I am sure you can find that video on Vikings.com. This is not a simple bone bruise from getting hit hard, its much more serious than that IMO given it is directly related to prior injuries and that is likely what caused it. Look into it yourself, this is just my take on the information I have seen. Maybe some medical experts will chime in as well.


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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
mansquatch wrote:
That is bad news about SB. I suspect his career could be a in serious jeopardy.


It doesnt mean much to me. Is it really worth it to rush him back vs the Browns when the bye week is coming up the week after? No. Not sure how you career ends by a bone bruise. Unless their is nerve damage, he'll be back at some point but something is telling me Teddy will be back before him
I mean, it's reasonable to wonder if this isn't a bone bruise. 60% of people who have had an ACL surgery develop arthritis within 14 years and Sam Bradford has recently begun Regenokine treatment. The official report is a knee bruise, but Eric Sugarman is also on the record saying “Sam has wear and tear in his knee joint. And these injuries are very difficult to manage and treat".

If it is arthritis, its career threatening.


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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
mansquatch wrote:
That is bad news about SB. I suspect his career could be a in serious jeopardy.


It doesnt mean much to me. Is it really worth it to rush him back vs the Browns when the bye week is coming up the week after? No. Not sure how you career ends by a bone bruise. Unless their is nerve damage, he'll be back at some point but something is telling me Teddy will be back before him
I mean, it's reasonable to wonder if this isn't a bone bruise. 60% of people who have had an ACL surgery develop arthritis within 14 years and Sam Bradford has recently begun Regenokine treatment. The official report is a knee bruise, but Eric Sugarman is also on the record saying “Sam has wear and tear in his knee joint. And these injuries are very difficult to manage and treat".

If it is arthritis, its career threatening.


Given how secretive Zimmer is with injuries, coupled with anything that could be "chronic" would be debilitating for Sam's market value. It wouldn't shock me if you're correct and the team doesn't see value in making that announcement that would threaten not only Sam's personal value but also his potential trade value (though he'd have to undergo a physical and MRIs with any team that would trade for him).

On the other hand, it could be something that goes away with rest and is manageable. He's not a running back or DB so there's a chance he can be effective if it can be managed well enough. It certainly seems problematic and the lack of clarity is only going to fuel these kinds of rumors and speculation.

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Why would we trade Sam... He is a free agent after this season.

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Why would we trade Sam... He is a free agent after this season.

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There has been some speculation about a possible franchise-and-trade scenario. Probably not all that likely, especially now. It would also assume Teddy is and can remain healthy and be "the man" for the future.

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Why would we trade Sam... He is a free agent after this season.

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There has been some speculation about a possible franchise-and-trade scenario. Probably not all that likely, especially now. It would also assume Teddy is and can remain healthy and be "the man" for the future.[/quote

Not likely is putting it lightly. Franchise and trade is not an option for Sam. If there is a GM out there ready to make that deal, please, let me know who, I'd love to sell him some "Sky Hooks" for advertising. I just don't understand how anyone can think that either one of these guys (SB or Teddy) is gonna get any big guaranteed money anytime soon. They both have a lot to prove IMO


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I just don't understand how anyone can think that either one of these guys (SB or Teddy) is gonna get any big guaranteed money anytime soon. They both have a lot to prove IMO


Because look around the league at quarterback play. Assuming Sam's injury isn't chronic, there's a 100% chance he gets paid, with guaranteed money. Sam has "proven" himself, especially with last year under his belt. Teams need to see Teddy healthy and dealing before they'd shell out any $$ for him given how long he's been away and the severity of his knee injury. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if some team gave Teddy a short-term deal with some guaranteed money as a "roll the dice" chance as part of a QB competition. But you're right, they need to show up on the field again.

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Five #Vikings limited today: Case Keenum (chest), Stefon Diggs (groin/ankle), Easton (calf), Floyd (hamstring), Alexander (hip)


Keenum limited?

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If Keenum can't go, do you start Sloter or take a chance with Teddy?

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Five #Vikings limited today: Case Keenum (chest), Stefon Diggs (groin/ankle), Easton (calf), Floyd (hamstring), Alexander (hip)


Keenum limited?

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If Keenum can't go, do you start Sloter or take a chance with Teddy?


If medically cleared, you go with Teddy.

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Reiff still not practicing?

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For either QB to get any sort of decent contract they need to get healthy and play for extended time and at a high level. Right now, a team would be nuts to sign either to a big contract and tie up all that cap space in a injured may never play again guy.

Sam seems destined to be a backup if he can get somewhat healthy. Healthy enough to be a fill in guy for a few weeks here or there. Teddy I'm not sure, I hope he can get back close to his previous physical health because he has the most upside at this point. Sam is old and broken down with his- arthritis? Two ACL's isn't exactly a franchise QB.


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For either QB to get any sort of decent contract they need to get healthy and play for extended time and at a high level. Right now, a team would be nuts to sign either to a big contract and tie up all that cap space in a injured may never play again guy.

Sam seems destined to be a backup if he can get somewhat healthy. Healthy enough to be a fill in guy for a few weeks here or there. Teddy I'm not sure, I hope he can get back close to his previous physical health because he has the most upside at this point. Sam is old and broken down with his- arthritis? Two ACL's isn't exactly a franchise QB.


Bradford can easily start for a lot of teams out there if healthy. He's not a "fill in guy". Case Keenum is a "fill in guy" and Bradford is well above Keenum when it comes to skill level. Again your outlook on Bradford is so far skewed its not even funny

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http://www.startribune.com/keenum-limit ... 453324343/

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Vikings head coach Mike Zimmer remained coy about Sunday's quarterback situation, not naming Case Keenum the starter.

Keenum was listed as "limited" in practice Wednesday because of a chest issue. Keenum is 3-2 as a starter and has led the Vikings to four victories, including the second half in Chicago, while Bradford continues to be missing from practices with lingering issues in his left knee.

"I don't know," Zimmer said of his starting quarterback. "We'll see."

Teddy Bridgewater practiced Wednesday and is expected to make the trip to London. When asked about Bridgewater's status, Zimmer said, "I think I know what I'm doing, but it's the medical clearance at the end of the day."
The last sentence (emphasis mine) intrigues me.


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For either QB to get any sort of decent contract they need to get healthy and play for extended time and at a high level. Right now, a team would be nuts to sign either to a big contract and tie up all that cap space in a injured may never play again guy.

Sam seems destined to be a backup if he can get somewhat healthy. Healthy enough to be a fill in guy for a few weeks here or there. Teddy I'm not sure, I hope he can get back close to his previous physical health because he has the most upside at this point. Sam is old and broken down with his- arthritis? Two ACL's isn't exactly a franchise QB.


Bradford can easily start for a lot of teams out there if healthy. He's not a "fill in guy". Case Keenum is a "fill in guy" and Bradford is well above Keenum when it comes to skill level. Again your outlook on Bradford is so far skewed its not even funny


He's a fill in guy because nobody in there right mind would expect him especially at this point to stay healthy on that messed up knee. Skill wise he might be marginal starter material (I rank him about 22-24 range) but with his injury concerns and arthritis, just forget it.


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Diggs, Keenum and Reiff all practiced in full and are likely to play Sunday.

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Diggs, Keenum and Reiff all practiced in full and are likely to play Sunday.

Good news!


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I just don't understand how anyone can think that either one of these guys (SB or Teddy) is gonna get any big guaranteed money anytime soon. They both have a lot to prove IMO


Because look around the league at quarterback play. Assuming Sam's injury isn't chronic, there's a 100% chance he gets paid, with guaranteed money. Sam has "proven" himself, especially with last year under his belt. Teams need to see Teddy healthy and dealing before they'd shell out any $$ for him given how long he's been away and the severity of his knee injury. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if some team gave Teddy a short-term deal with some guaranteed money as a "roll the dice" chance as part of a QB competition. But you're right, they need to show up on the field again.


We are on the same page as far as Teddy goes; I'd be fine with a short term type of prove it deal with him some guaranteed money....especially if he comes back this season and looks good. Sam on the other hand I'd let him walk before I gave him Cousin's type of guaranteed money (23 million range) . Its just too risky IMO, knowing what we know regarding his knee. I realize Sam would be a hot commodity around the league and demand some big guaranteed money, if healthy. I am sure he will get some interest from teams around the league even after this injury (if he comes back) I just hope it isn't in MN. It would be too desperate, there will be better stop gap options out there for that kind of money. I don't see him as a franchise guy, at least not here, not after the latest injury. He has had some tough breaks in his career. I just see this as another one of those tough breaks for Sam. I think its time for Sam to look into life after football.


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Diggs, Keenum and Reiff all practiced in full and are likely to play Sunday.

Good news!


And Easton.

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For either QB to get any sort of decent contract they need to get healthy and play for extended time and at a high level. Right now, a team would be nuts to sign either to a big contract and tie up all that cap space in a injured may never play again guy.

Sam seems destined to be a backup if he can get somewhat healthy. Healthy enough to be a fill in guy for a few weeks here or there. Teddy I'm not sure, I hope he can get back close to his previous physical health because he has the most upside at this point. Sam is old and broken down with his- arthritis? Two ACL's isn't exactly a franchise QB.


Bradford can easily start for a lot of teams out there if healthy. He's not a "fill in guy". Case Keenum is a "fill in guy" and Bradford is well above Keenum when it comes to skill level. Again your outlook on Bradford is so far skewed its not even funny


He's a fill in guy because nobody in there right mind would expect him especially at this point to stay healthy on that messed up knee. Skill wise he might be marginal starter material (I rank him about 22-24 range) but with his injury concerns and arthritis, just forget it.


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I just don't understand how anyone can think that either one of these guys (SB or Teddy) is gonna get any big guaranteed money anytime soon. They both have a lot to prove IMO


Because look around the league at quarterback play. Assuming Sam's injury isn't chronic, there's a 100% chance he gets paid, with guaranteed money. Sam has "proven" himself, especially with last year under his belt. Teams need to see Teddy healthy and dealing before they'd shell out any $$ for him given how long he's been away and the severity of his knee injury. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if some team gave Teddy a short-term deal with some guaranteed money as a "roll the dice" chance as part of a QB competition. But you're right, they need to show up on the field again.


Good post DP. I agree. Bradford will definitely get paid if this injury proves not to be too serious. Teddy on the other hand has been out of the game over a year and a half and the severity of Teddy's injury alone was probably equivalent to Bradford have two ACL surgeries. No matter who you look at, both are very delicate knees at this point.

Since Bradfords injuries, he has came back and performed at a fairly high level. Especially the last few years.

Teddy on the other hand, hasnt been able to show anything YET. If he comes back and can perform at a high level that would be great.

Bradford will get guaranteed money before Teddy will if they both come back healthy. Nobody is going to know anything until we see Teddy in live action again.

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Myles Garrett (concussion) will not travel with the team to London and will not play in Sunday’s game against the Vikings.

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Not sure how I feel about Diggs playing this week. Obviously it's great when he's in the lineup but if he sits, he'll effectively have had a month to recuperate. I'd hate for him to have this bother him the whole year because he rushed back.


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Not sure how I feel about Diggs playing this week. Obviously it's great when he's in the lineup but if he sits, he'll effectively have had a month to recuperate. I'd hate for him to have this bother him the whole year because he rushed back.


I agree. Groin injuries are like hamstring problems. They have to completely heal or they will come back to bite ya.


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Bradford, Weatherly, Sirles not practicing. Expect Keenum to start vs. Cleveland.

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