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"With us signing (Latavius) Murray, Adrian will move on elsewhere." - GM Rick Spielman
Chris Tomasson @christomasson 5m5 minutes ago
Rick spielman declined to say if Adrian Peterson ever was made an offer
Crax wrote:Sounds like the door is completely closed on Adrian Peterson Era now. Tweet from the Vikings Offical twitter quoting Spielman
I hate to see Peterson's time with the Vikings end like this but it's not surprising. I hope he signs with a good team and has a healthy, highly productive season.Aw, come on! Those passes are either dinks or dunks. They must fit into one of those categories!J. Kapp 11 wrote:I don't see it that way.
Shoring up the O-line, or at least attempting to shore it up, gives SB more time to throw downfield. Signing Latavius Murray means they're trying to throw more to backs out of the backfield, allowing receivers to run deeper routes. Throwing to backs isn't dink and dunk. It's a substitute for the power running game.
You may be right but I think he has quite a bit more work to do before emerging as a threat on the level of Jordy Nelson. That's not to say he cant get there. I understand your point about his stage of development. I think he's already emerged as the team's primary deep threat and not to take anything away from Thielen but to me, that indicates they could use a more threatening one. However, if he continues to develop and reaches Nelson's level, they'll have it.And re-signing Adam Thielen is a big step. Now, I fully realize that some idiot Packer fans (including at least one on this board, who shall remain nameless) laugh when I compare Adam Thielen to Jordy Nelson before Jordy Nelson became Jordy Nelson, but I don't see it as a stretch at all. He's tall, fast, and tough. He's had to work his butt off for everything he's ever gotten, and he's never had the luxury of having Aaron Rodgers throwing to him. I believe Adam Thielen -- not Stefon Diggs -- emerges as the Vikings' true deep threat in 2017. You heard it here first.
I'll admit, it's in short supply for me when it comes to the offense. It feels like their sights are firmly set on offensive mediocrity but as you indicated, the offseason is far from over.And we're not done with free agency. Or the draft.
Hang in there. I know we're Vikings fans, and it may actually be against the law, but have a little optimism!
I hate it too man, he should retire in a Vikings uniform...but for the moment we don't know what will happen next.Mothman wrote:
I doubt they ever proffered an offer. I'm guessing they just decided to move on.
Bummer.
ahah...)Nobody seems to know where he'll end up but the Lions have been mentioned as a potential landing spot for peterson. The price would be a key there because, if I'm not mistaken, Detroit has spent quite a bit in free agency already.FrenchVikes wrote:I hate it too man, he should retire in a Vikings uniform...but for the moment we don't know what will happen next.
If he signs somewhere else, i just hope that he will not be in our division (i just can't imagine him in a Packers uniform
Yes 100%808vikingsfan wrote:
I agree. If someone falls like that, I don't think they have a choice. But would you still take Perine in round 3?
Remmers only gets 30 mil if he is good enough to play out the entirety of his contract.HardcoreVikesFan wrote:I don't like much of what we have done this offseason outside of signing Riley.
I am not a fan of giving Latavius Murray 3 million dollars. Datone Jones doesn't deserve 3.75 million. Mike Remmers definitely does not deserve 30 million dollars.
But sure, we can let a great nickel corner go, a HOF HB go, and an All Pro playmaker go - no big deal apparently. SMH.
A HOF RB that's well past his prime and a one dimensional back. I said we should've traded him back with the whole child abuse thing. It was time to move onHardcoreVikesFan wrote:I don't like much of what we have done this offseason outside of signing Riley.
I am not a fan of giving Latavius Murray 3 million dollars. Datone Jones doesn't deserve 3.75 million. Mike Remmers definitely does not deserve 30 million dollars.
But sure, we can let a great nickel corner go, a HOF HB go, and an All Pro playmaker go - no big deal apparently. SMH.
Do you know who finished 12th in the NFL in 2016 with 52 pass plays of at least 20 yards?Mothman wrote:I see what you're saying. IF they go downfield frequently enough and use the short passing game like a running game, they wouldn't necessarily be a "dink and dunk" offense.
Yeah you know I was thinking this the other day when it was mentioned our downfield passing game wasnt very good. I didnt look for the stat but I thought it was much better than what people thought. Bradford throws a really nice deep ballJ. Kapp 11 wrote: Do you know who finished 12th in the NFL in 2016 with 52 pass plays of at least 20 yards?
That's right, ladies and germs. Your Minnesota Vikings.
That's ahead of Oakland. Ahead of Dallas. One behind Cincinnati and A.J. Green. Four behind the world champion Patriots. Five behind the great and God-like Packers.
And guess who had almost a third (16) of those 20+ yard completions? You guessed it. Adam Thielen. Only 3 behind Jordy Nelson.
If the Vikings can pass block even reasonably well (unlike last year), there's no reason to think the downfield passing game can't get even better.
Happy to be of assistance. Thanks for noticing -- I've posted this 20+ yard stat about five times now, yet all I keep hearing is that we're dink-and-dunk.Pondering Her Percy wrote: Yeah you know I was thinking this the other day when it was mentioned our downfield passing game wasnt very good. I didnt look for the stat but I thought it was much better than what people thought. Bradford throws a really nice deep ball
Wow thanks for the stats. Good to know!J. Kapp 11 wrote: Happy to be of assistance. Thanks for noticing -- I've posted this 20+ yard stat about five times now, yet all I keep hearing is that we're dink-and-dunk.
The Packer Fan Who Shall Remain Nameless laughed at me when I compared Adam Thielen to Jordy Nelson. But look at these numbers.
Adam had 69 catches on 97 targets, or 71.3%. He averaged 14.0 yards per catch.
Jordy Nelson had 97 catches on 152 targets, or 63.8%. He averaged 13.0 yards per catch.
If you extrapolate Thielen's numbers to Jordy Nelson's targets, you get this:
Thielen -- 108 rec., 1,512 yards, 8 TD.
Nelson -- 97 rec., 1,257 yards, 14 TD.
Adam Thielen has arrived as a legitimate No. 1 receiver. He hasn't "proven" it yet, certainly not to the degree that Jordy the Great has. But he's on his way, and the Vikings were wise to sign him to a long-term deal. In time, barring injury, he has every chance to be just as good as Nelson. And he won't look stupid in green.
As for our passing game -- if the line can improve to even league average, and if Latavius Murray is as good a pass blocker as he's advertised to be, there's no reason the Vikings can't improve in the downfield passing game. Because you're right -- Sam Bradford throws a great deep ball. Just gotta keep him upright for more than 1.3 seconds.
Perhaps people are just using that phrase differently. I don't think a dink and dunk offense is an offense that doesn't throw deep at all. I think it's an offense that relies heavily on short passing and the Vikings do.J. Kapp 11 wrote:Happy to be of assistance. Thanks for noticing -- I've posted this 20+ yard stat about five times now, yet all I keep hearing is that we're dink-and-dunk.
Despite the numbers, no one watching the Vikings' offense would describe it as explosive or even efficient. Behind a debilitating offensive line, Bradford had the NFL's shortest average target last season. He maddeningly threw short of the sticks on third down with regularity. The porous blocking and no run game to speak of relegated the Vikings offense to dink-and-dunk, and led a risk-averse Bradford to get rid of the ball instead of stretching the field.
