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Post Do we bring Captain Munnerlyn back?
I think we should seeing as how Alexander does not seem to be the least bit ready. Only way I see him not get an offer is if he is expecting big money. What do you guys think?


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Post Re: Do we bring Captain Munnerlyn back?
I don't think so unless it's short and relatively cheap. They're going to have to pay out for Rhodes soon, and they'll want to be in good position to be able to extend Waynes at some point. Alexander is off to a slow start, but corners traditionally take time to get going in this system. That was true in Cincy too.

But if you can get him on an inexpensive 2-3 year deal, then fine.


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I don't think so unless it's short and relatively cheap. They're going to have to pay out for Rhodes soon, and they'll want to be in good position to be able to extend Waynes at some point. Alexander is off to a slow start, but corners traditionally take time to get going in this system. That was true in Cincy too.

But if you can get him on an inexpensive 2-3 year deal, then fine.


I don't think he would be too expensive. He's a great Nickle CB who can start if needed. He is important for depth.

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Banquo wrote:
I don't think so unless it's short and relatively cheap. They're going to have to pay out for Rhodes soon, and they'll want to be in good position to be able to extend Waynes at some point. Alexander is off to a slow start, but corners traditionally take time to get going in this system. That was true in Cincy too.

But if you can get him on an inexpensive 2-3 year deal, then fine.


I don't think he would be too expensive. He's a great Nickle CB who can start if needed. He is important for depth.


So what are you thinking? Like 2 years, 10M with 6 guaranteed? Because something like that would be fine, but you just never know anymore. Financially, corner has become a premium position.

One thing to keep in mind is that this is a stellar cornerback draft class.


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I don't think he would be too expensive. He's a great Nickle CB who can start if needed. He is important for depth.


I agree. It would be a mistake to let Munnerlyn go. There's always going to be a need for him, he knows Zimmers' D, and he plays good football.


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PurpleMustReign wrote:
Banquo wrote:
I don't think so unless it's short and relatively cheap. They're going to have to pay out for Rhodes soon, and they'll want to be in good position to be able to extend Waynes at some point. Alexander is off to a slow start, but corners traditionally take time to get going in this system. That was true in Cincy too.

But if you can get him on an inexpensive 2-3 year deal, then fine.


I don't think he would be too expensive. He's a great Nickle CB who can start if needed. He is important for depth.


Agreed

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Banquo wrote:
PurpleMustReign wrote:
Banquo wrote:
I don't think so unless it's short and relatively cheap. They're going to have to pay out for Rhodes soon, and they'll want to be in good position to be able to extend Waynes at some point. Alexander is off to a slow start, but corners traditionally take time to get going in this system. That was true in Cincy too.

But if you can get him on an inexpensive 2-3 year deal, then fine.


I don't think he would be too expensive. He's a great Nickle CB who can start if needed. He is important for depth.


So what are you thinking? Like 2 years, 10M with 6 guaranteed? Because something like that would be fine, but you just never know anymore. Financially, corner has become a premium position.

One thing to keep in mind is that this is a stellar cornerback draft class.


I think it would need to be an amount around there to bring him back. Alexander is going to need to start producing and the focus needs to be on Rhodes. It'd be great to have Captain back but we need to focus a lot of this offseason's cash elsewhere.


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Post Re: Do we bring Captain Munnerlyn back?
Unless he is willing to sign for a less than market contract (not sure why he would?), time to move on.

they have to pay for Rhodes (1st round pick), they have Waynes (1st round pick), and Alexander (2nd round pick). Jabari Price has shown some promise as a developmental late round pick.

How much can they invest in 1 position when the OL is a complete and utter debacle?

Time for some balance.


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Unless he is willing to sign for a less than market contract (not sure why he would?), time to move on.

they have to pay for Rhodes (1st round pick), they have Waynes (1st round pick), and Alexander (2nd round pick). Jabari Price has shown some promise as a developmental late round pick.

How much can they invest in 1 position when the OL is a complete and utter debacle?

Time for some balance.


Not sure how Price has showed promise. We hardly ever see the guy on the field. If they make the right cuts (Peterson and Fusco) then they should have no problem bringing him back at a reasonable price. I would take him on a 2 year deal any day of the week. It's not like he's going to command a 5 year deal. He knows what its like to change systems and the struggles that come along with it. I would think he wants to come back here.

The problem with letting him go is that we have Rhodes, Waynes and Alexander but if any of them went down, we could be in trouble. Especially if Newman retires. Keep him and start Rhodes and Waynes on the outside. Alexander gives you great depth as he develops and he can play outside or inside.

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Post Re: Do we bring Captain Munnerlyn back?
No thanks.
Try to find someone to fill whatever role it is you want him to fill.


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No thanks.
Try to find someone to fill whatever role it is you want him to fill.


:lol: that is because you haven't been a fan of his from the start claiming he was the "worlds greatest slot midget", even though he proved you wrong the following two years after that. Along with the "fat guy with a bullet in his leg", Linval Joseph. Why take a vet that has a few good years left in him and KNOWS Zims system away to sign or draft someone that doesnt? So you can complain about a guy because it's his first year in the system and he isn't performing well, similar to what you did with Cap and Joseph their first years. It's pretty clear that this system is complicated first year guys. Look at Joseph, Waynes, Cap, Alexander, etc. Alexander is sitting there waiting to fill that role but there is nothing wrong with keeping Cap. He's been a very good nickel CB for us the last two years. Why can't we keep Cap like we did Newman and gradually get Alexander in there like we did with Waynes/Newman??? Why force Alexander into a role??

Keeping Cap is a no-brainer if you ask me

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Post Re: Do we bring Captain Munnerlyn back?
Unless Captain wants a small fortune, i say we keep him, as a backup. I'd like to find a little better guy, but at the leaast Captain give us good depth. Plus Im not a huge believer in Waynes or Alexander this years. Its kinda like when we should have kept Winfield one more year, after working on his contract to lower it a bit..


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Post Re: Do we bring Captain Munnerlyn back?
He is just an OK player at this point. He isnt worth a big investment and he isnt going to make or break or defense.
Much like AP's career, our defense has BEEN really good but is aging with each wasted season. I think we are going to see their performance tapering off in the next yrs and it is going to take some very smart trades/drafts, etc to maintain or improve on defense. They have been asked to carry a huge load the last few years to make up for a horrid offense. It cant continue.


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He is just an OK player at this point. He isnt worth a big investment and he isnt going to make or break or defense.
Much like AP's career, our defense has BEEN really good but is aging with each wasted season. I think we are going to see their performance tapering off in the next yrs and it is going to take some very smart trades/drafts, etc to maintain or improve on defense. They have been asked to carry a huge load the last few years to make up for a horrid offense. It cant continue.


Has Zimmer ever had a "bad" defense in his career. I'm not one bit worried when it comes to that. And you say Munnerlyn isnt worth a "big investment". He'll be 29 when the offseason hits. It's not like we're going to give him a 5 year deal. This is my point this thread. It will probably be a 1-2 year contract if we offer him something so why not??!!

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I agree. I just hope they dont over spend because he is one of Zims besties.....


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I agree. I just hope they dont over spend because he is one of Zims besties.....


I don't see him overspending on a 29 year old nickel corner

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Post Re: Do we bring Captain Munnerlyn back?
Keep him if you can afford him.

1. He knows the system and how Zimmer wants his DBs to play.
2. He plays well in the system, especially at nickel.
3. He provides depth at the outside corner if necessary.
4. Waynes is ready to play; Alexander is not.
5. He seems to like playing in Minnesota and is a great teammate.

If he wants you to back up the Brinks Truck, then no.

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no


May I ask why??

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Boon wrote:
no


May I ask why??


In order to "keep the window open" you need to phase out older guys with younger guys. That would be my argument for moving on. Since I don't think the window is open anyway without the development of a truly elite defense next year, I'd suggest moving on and building for the future.


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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
Boon wrote:
no


May I ask why??


In order to "keep the window open" you need to phase out older guys with younger guys. That would be my argument for moving on. Since I don't think the window is open anyway without the development of a truly elite defense next year, I'd suggest moving on and building for the future.


But my thing is, what is Munnerlyn preventing us from doing? It's not like his contract is going to be so big its going to prevent us from signing guys. We have Alexander for insurance. Keeping him doesnt hurt us. Losing him very well could if Alexander isnt ready enough. Plus, we already have Greenway gone, Robison has maybe a year or two left, and now we should phase out Munnerlyn too? It's good to have a few vets on the team.

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But my thing is, what is Munnerlyn preventing us from doing? It's not like his contract is going to be so big its going to prevent us from signing guys. We have Alexander for insurance. Keeping him doesnt hurt us. Losing him very well could if Alexander isnt ready enough. Plus, we already have Greenway gone, Robison has maybe a year or two left, and now we should phase out Munnerlyn too? It's good to have a few vets on the team.


Player development.


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But my thing is, what is Munnerlyn preventing us from doing? It's not like his contract is going to be so big its going to prevent us from signing guys. We have Alexander for insurance. Keeping him doesnt hurt us. Losing him very well could if Alexander isnt ready enough. Plus, we already have Greenway gone, Robison has maybe a year or two left, and now we should phase out Munnerlyn too? It's good to have a few vets on the team.


Player development.


So Trae Waynes sitting behind Newman prevented his development?? Looks to me like it was the complete opposite

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fiestavike wrote:
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But my thing is, what is Munnerlyn preventing us from doing? It's not like his contract is going to be so big its going to prevent us from signing guys. We have Alexander for insurance. Keeping him doesnt hurt us. Losing him very well could if Alexander isnt ready enough. Plus, we already have Greenway gone, Robison has maybe a year or two left, and now we should phase out Munnerlyn too? It's good to have a few vets on the team.


Player development.


So Trae Waynes sitting behind Newman prevented his development?? Looks to me like it was the complete opposite


Waynes seems pretty mentally fragile, so that may have been the best approach for him. No one size fits all, but hard to develop without snaps.


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Waynes seems pretty mentally fragile, so that may have been the best approach for him. No one size fits all, but hard to develop without snaps.


That's a pretty bold assumption. Either way, Munnerlyn provides quality depth. Here is the thing, if we let Munnerlyn walk and Alexander starts, what in the world is our plan if Alexander went down?? We need to re-sign Cap and let him and Alexander compete for the starting nickel. We should be doing exactly what Zim did with B-Rob. As his play dipped, you conserved his energy and went with the younger talent in Hunter. And look at the year B-Rob had. Same thing he did with Newman and Waynes. Newman started all last year and this year Waynes played way more.

So no I dont think "phasing out the veterans" is the right approach. By not phasing out the veterans, it provides us with that much more depth and options. If Cap wanted a huge contract, then let him walk. But I can just about guarantee that at 29 going on 30, he isnt going to be asking for a whole lot. It's a no brainer to keep him. Especially if Newman retires. Because if that happens, all we have is Waynes and Rhodes and if either of them went down, Alexander could play outside too. So we wouldnt be affected that much if Munnerlyn was still here.

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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
fiestavike wrote:

Waynes seems pretty mentally fragile, so that may have been the best approach for him. No one size fits all, but hard to develop without snaps.


That's a pretty bold assumption. Either way, Munnerlyn provides quality depth. Here is the thing, if we let Munnerlyn walk and Alexander starts, what in the world is our plan if Alexander went down?? We need to re-sign Cap and let him and Alexander compete for the starting nickel. We should be doing exactly what Zim did with B-Rob. As his play dipped, you conserved his energy and went with the younger talent in Hunter. And look at the year B-Rob had. Same thing he did with Newman and Waynes. Newman started all last year and this year Waynes played way more.

So no I dont think "phasing out the veterans" is the right approach. By not phasing out the veterans, it provides us with that much more depth and options. If Cap wanted a huge contract, then let him walk. But I can just about guarantee that at 29 going on 30, he isnt going to be asking for a whole lot. It's a no brainer to keep him. Especially if Newman retires. Because if that happens, all we have is Waynes and Rhodes and if either of them went down, Alexander could play outside too. So we wouldnt be affected that much if Munnerlyn was still here.


Well its fine with me either way, I don't much care. You asked for a reason why someone didn't want to bring him back, and I attempted to provide one that seems legitimate. If they want to bring him back, I think they should.


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