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In addition to the inept OL play, a lot of responsibility has to go on the Vikings passing game during those games too. Defenses weren't worried about the likes of Teddy Bridgewater or Shaun Hill beating them and Peterson barely played with Bradford (not that the Vikings passing game was striking fear into anybody last year either). They were worried about and focused on Peterson and when you combine that dynamic with terrible blocking, of course he struggled at times. That culminated in the first game of last season, which was probably the worst run-blocking performance I've ever seen from an offensive line. He barely had a chance to gain positive yardage in that game.


I couldn't agree more about the passing game. AD was always the main focus of any opposing defense. The Vikings couldn't throw the ball well enough to avoid it. I don't know. I can't help but think some poor planning went into the offense, given the holes that it had and may still have.

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Then again, I'm extremely frustrated with the front office and coaching staff at this point. I suspect they'll all be as gone as Peterson in a few years. :(


Same here. I believe the offense is riddled with problems and the core of it all doesn't begin or end with just the players.


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If the Vikings cut him, and the actual market for his services is 4 million on a prove it 1-2 year contract, does anyone else think we might just see Peterson retire?


No. I think he's a record chaser. Wants more yards and TDs. Wants to cement his place in the HOF.


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I think best case scenario for the Vikings is probably a sign and trade deal for a 4th round pick, but if they keep him and he stays healthy, the question will remain how effective he can be in Shurmur's offense. I don't see it as a fit, and I think even if he were, he's a risk because of age/injury concerns.

Some kind of thunder/lighting backfield makes more sense to me, with McKinnon/Lacy or Jacquiz/Blount, or some players like that who should come cheaper.


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I think best case scenario for the Vikings is probably a sign and trade deal for a 4th round pick, but if they keep him and he stays healthy, the question will remain how effective he can be in Shurmur's offense. I don't see it as a fit, and I think even if he were, he's a risk because of age/injury concerns.

Some kind of thunder/lighting backfield makes more sense to me, with McKinnon/Lacy or Jacquiz/Blount, or some players like that who should come cheaper.


If we keep AP and sign someone in FA I'll puke. You are an absolute idiot if you fail to draft a RB in this draft class

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Note on Adrian Peterson contract: in 2015 restructure, 2017 converted to option. So, if declined and he leaves, #Vikings could get comp pick

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Note on Adrian Peterson contract: in 2015 restructure, 2017 converted to option. So, if declined and he leaves, #Vikings could get comp pick



That would be nice.


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fiestavike wrote:
I think best case scenario for the Vikings is probably a sign and trade deal for a 4th round pick, but if they keep him and he stays healthy, the question will remain how effective he can be in Shurmur's offense. I don't see it as a fit, and I think even if he were, he's a risk because of age/injury concerns.

Some kind of thunder/lighting backfield makes more sense to me, with McKinnon/Lacy or Jacquiz/Blount, or some players like that who should come cheaper.


If we keep AP and sign someone in FA I'll puke. You are an absolute idiot if you fail to draft a RB in this draft class


I'm not sure how you got the impression that I suggested we keep AP and sign a free agent...or that suggested we shouldn't draft a RB. Since i'm not a GM, and I won't be drafting a RB in this class personally, I'm pretty sure I'll just be an absolute idiot.


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I think best case scenario for the Vikings is probably a sign and trade deal for a 4th round pick, but if they keep him and he stays healthy, the question will remain how effective he can be in Shurmur's offense. I don't see it as a fit, and I think even if he were, he's a risk because of age/injury concerns.

Some kind of thunder/lighting backfield makes more sense to me, with McKinnon/Lacy or Jacquiz/Blount, or some players like that who should come cheaper.


If we keep AP and sign someone in FA I'll puke. You are an absolute idiot if you fail to draft a RB in this draft class


I'm not sure how you got the impression that I suggested we keep AP and sign a free agent...or that suggested we shouldn't draft a RB. Since i'm not a GM, and I won't be drafting a RB in this class personally, I'm pretty sure I'll just be an absolute idiot.


I wasnt calling you an idiot directly. I was saying in Spielman's case, you are an idiot if you dont draft a RB in this class. This was more of just a general post. I guess I probably shouldnt have quoted yours. I was just saying in general if we kept him and signed a FA instead of drafting, Spielman is an idiot

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I wasnt calling you an idiot directly. I was saying in Spielman's case, you are an idiot if you dont draft a RB in this class. This was more of just a general post. I guess I probably shouldnt have quoted yours. I was just saying in general if we kept him and signed a FA instead of drafting, Spielman is an idiot


Ok, I see.


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Pondering Her Percy wrote:

I wasnt calling you an idiot directly. I was saying in Spielman's case, you are an idiot if you dont draft a RB in this class. This was more of just a general post. I guess I probably shouldnt have quoted yours. I was just saying in general if we kept him and signed a FA instead of drafting, Spielman is an idiot


Ok, I see.


Sorry about the confusion. Didnt mean anything by it

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Just get the feeling watching Spielman AP has played his final snap here. Hope I'm wrong as I'd love to see him back at a reduced salary but I'm already writing a return off.

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We currently have $21 million in cap space for 2017. If we cut AP we free up another $18 million, nearly doubling our cap space instantly.


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I'm all for releasing Peterson. But part of me wants to see him break a few one last time (in purple).


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the LAST thing I wanna do is watch AP run out the fading days of his career in purple, repetitively injured and off the field, eating up cap space, and getting in the way of our team progress. Modern day players are NOT going to take significant pay cuts to "finish their career in purple". Its a business to both players and owners and keeping an aging RB will be a bad move, certainly NOT the move of a team trying to win a Super Bowl....as the Pats if they would keep an old broken RB on the team.......



Agreed, Especially a RB who has to come out of the game on 3d and long, and catch catch passess out of the Backfield.


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Post Re: Vikings RB Adrian Peterson wants to return, open to pay
I'm guessing they'd really like to trade him, even if they only get a 7th, so they can have some control over where he goes (and especially where he doesn't go). Obviously he'd have to work out a deal with a team. It could even explain why Peterson is publicly courting teams. The brass might be encouraging him to see if he can work out a deal so they can ship him off.

I think there is a chance that his pride won't let him play next season if the market for his services is as soft as I think it could be.


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We currently have $21 million in cap space for 2017. If we cut AP we free up another $18 million, nearly doubling our cap space instantly.


Getting rid of Peterson, Floyd, Lamur, Crichton, Clemmings and Beavers would get them to 50.69million in cap space. I expect Robison will re-structure his deal, but he could be worth almost 6 million in cap space if they cut him. As I said, I think he'll do the full Chad Greenway and work 2 or 3 million off his deal.

Players like Sendejo and Sherels are in the 2-3 million range with no guaranteed money. They are both worth keeping at that price, but depending on how they address FA (say they target a Safety or a guy who can return punts) they have 5 million sitting there in a piggy bank which they could put toward an upgrade elsewhere.

Jarius Wright and his 3 million could be shipped of via trade, but half his salary is guaranteed so I don't think they'll cut him.

That's about is much cap space as they can generate this season. Somewhere around 64.5 million tops, more likely around 52 million.


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I'm guessing they'd really like to trade him, even if they only get a 7th, so they can have some control over where he goes (and especially where he doesn't go). Obviously he'd have to work out a deal with a team. It could even explain why Peterson is publicly courting teams. The brass might be encouraging him to see if he can work out a deal so they can ship him off.

I think there is a chance that his pride won't let him play next season if the market for his services is as soft as I think it could be.


If it works out that way, it could even be more than just pride. Peterson has made a lot of money and taken a lot of physical punishment. When you've already made millions, it's one thing to keep playing and taking that punishment for another $8+ million a year and it's another to do it for $1 or $2 million a year. I feel silly saying that because to most of us, that's still an enormous amount of money. My point is simply that pride could be a factor but short and long term health considerations could start weighing more heavily if the market for Peterson ends up being really soft.


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fiestavike wrote:
I'm guessing they'd really like to trade him, even if they only get a 7th, so they can have some control over where he goes (and especially where he doesn't go). Obviously he'd have to work out a deal with a team. It could even explain why Peterson is publicly courting teams. The brass might be encouraging him to see if he can work out a deal so they can ship him off.

I think there is a chance that his pride won't let him play next season if the market for his services is as soft as I think it could be.


If it works out that way, it could even be more than just pride. Peterson has made a lot of money and taken a lot of physical punishment. When you've already made millions, it's one thing to keep playing and taking that punishment for another $8+ million a year and it's another to do it for $1 or $2 million a year. I feel silly saying that because to most of us, that's still an enormous amount of money. My point is simply that pride could be a factor but short and long term health considerations could start weighing more heavily if the market for Peterson ends up being really soft.


That's a fair point Jim.

I think he could get as much as 6 million or as little as 4 million. If a team pays more, it would be a 1 year deal and they would have plenty of cap room to just take a gamble. Nobody is going to pay a 32 year old RB coming off season ending surgery like they are counting on him to carry the load. Even if it is Adrian Peterson.


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That's a fair point Jim.

I think he could get as much as 6 million or as little as 4 million. If a team pays more, it would be a 1 year deal and they would have plenty of cap room to just take a gamble. Nobody is going to pay a 32 year old RB coming off season ending surgery like they are counting on him to carry the load. Even if it is Adrian Peterson.


Agreed.


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https://www.google.com/amp/profootballt ... tract/amp/

We all knew it was coming. I don't see him returning.

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yep, clears up 17 mil though, give or take


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With that, Jerick McKinnon, C.J. Ham and Bishop Sankey are the only Vikings backs under contract in 2017.

Vikings declined AP's option. It will give AP and the Vikings a chance to see what his market value is.


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With that, Jerick McKinnon, C.J. Ham and Bishop Sankey are the only Vikings backs under contract in 2017.

Vikings declined AP's option. It will give AP and the Vikings a chance to see what his market value is.


I wonder what Peterson thinks his market value is at this point.


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So this gives us how much in cap space right now?? Roughly ~$38 million??

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So this gives us how much in cap space right now?? Roughly ~$38 million??


Somewhere around $40 million, depending on the source.

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2016 season: shotgun on 79% of passing plays.


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2016 season: shotgun on 79% of passing plays.


That's sad.


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2016 season: shotgun on 79% of passing plays.


Wow. Pretty crazy stat

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2016 season: shotgun on 79% of passing plays.


Wow. Pretty crazy stat


Wait, that stat doesn't really mean anything, right? In 2016, if a team passed 50% of the time and ran it the other 50% of the time, wouldn't the the 2007 stat still be true (that shotgun was used on less than 50% of the plays) if teams use shotgun on 79% of passing plays?

It would be a crazy stat if it was 79% of ALL plays in 2016.


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Yay we got 40 million we will do nothing with, miss out of the best F/A on the spot we need just to settle for another B- type player like Boone. Because we rebuild through the draft! Another year of a non-existent running game yay! This Franchise better have a few surprises this year after a season like the last...

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