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I know people dont want to think about it but a relatively healthy Kalil might be our best asset we "Get" this offseason.
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I dont know thats an awful risky approach. And if we went that route I would imagine this board would be going bonkers. There are still a lot of good OL in this class. I believe we can find some solid players if we play our cards rightfiestavike wrote: Given the weak OL class and the lack of experience in a pro style systems in the college game, This could be the answer. Guys with the physical tools who come into the league raw and get a year or two on a practice squad might be the best value available to improve an OL in shambles.
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To me there are two different trains of thought going on here. The distinction is one group thinks we can be a contender in 2017 if we address the OL. The other thinks the window is closed and it isn't happening.
IMO, if the team thinks the window is open then it's approach to OL is very different than if they think it isn't there yet.
If the window is open, then Free Agency is the answer. Draft picks are needed for the future, but it is not likely, even if they trade up, that the situation at Tackle will be better in 2017 unless they add a Free Agent, probably two. The recent history of draft picks starting, let alone playing effectively as rookies is very poor. This is compounded by both the poor strength of the draft at tackle and our lack of a 1st round pick.
They can and certainly should fish the mid to late rounds for developmental talent given how bare the current cupboard is for this position group, but the likelihood of a 3rd round or later pick coming in and contributing immediately is pathetically low.
Even if the window is not open, there is risk to the QB in keeping the current tackle situation or going with an unproven, mid to low round rookie. So while they may not bid as high for a high profile free agent in that situation, they would still likely need a new body to protect their new QB.
IMO, if the team thinks the window is open then it's approach to OL is very different than if they think it isn't there yet.
If the window is open, then Free Agency is the answer. Draft picks are needed for the future, but it is not likely, even if they trade up, that the situation at Tackle will be better in 2017 unless they add a Free Agent, probably two. The recent history of draft picks starting, let alone playing effectively as rookies is very poor. This is compounded by both the poor strength of the draft at tackle and our lack of a 1st round pick.
They can and certainly should fish the mid to late rounds for developmental talent given how bare the current cupboard is for this position group, but the likelihood of a 3rd round or later pick coming in and contributing immediately is pathetically low.
Even if the window is not open, there is risk to the QB in keeping the current tackle situation or going with an unproven, mid to low round rookie. So while they may not bid as high for a high profile free agent in that situation, they would still likely need a new body to protect their new QB.
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But what, exactly, does that phrase mean to you? Should the team pay any price to out-bid the competition for free agents they covet in an effort to rebuild the OL in one offseason and thus become an immediate Super Bowl contender?mansquatch wrote:To me there are two different trains of thought going on here. The distinction is one group thinks we can be a contender in 2017 if we address the OL. The other thinks the window is closed and it isn't happening.
IMO, if the team thinks the window is open then it's approach to OL is very different than if they think it isn't there yet.
If the window is open, then Free Agency is the answer.
I see no reason for the team to take a singular approach to this issue at all. In other words, I don't think free agency is the answer but simply one avenue toward improvement. The Vikes would be wise to approach the problem on all fronts. They need to scout like crazy and seek to improve the OL by any reasonable means possible. Whether they have a window to reach the Super Bowl next season or not should have little impact on their approach. The point should be to put together a better, deeper, more talented line and to do so using their resources wisely. Do that and they'll be in better shape to compete next year and down the road.
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The distinction to me is this:
Do they feel that they have a higher % chance to win the SB next year than they would in most other seasons. If the answer is YES, then there is reason to engage in shorter term thinking to maximize the chance at a Lombardi Trophy.
If they feel the chance is low, then it makes more sense to play the long game.
Consider a corrolary question to the above: How willing are you to sacrifice a chance at a Lombardi Trophy by being conservative? Some might call that playing not to lose...
It is also worth noting that the Vikings FO has given every indication that they believe the time is now and the window is open. You can agree or disagree with their view of the roster, but they have already made a major move indicating this viewpoint via the Sam Bradford trade. That is not something you do when you are just "talking the talk." Does anyone really think this mindset will not influence the decisions they make in the next 10 weeks?
Personally, I prefer to think about what might actually happen as opposed to what I think should happen when it comes to the NFL. My point above is based in that thinking. All things considered going into the 2017 off season, the probability of them finding a competitive option at either Tackle spot is by far the highest in Free Agency. Add in the sense of urgency that a superbowl window brings and it is even more likely that they'll go for a high cost player who can immediately contribute.
Do they feel that they have a higher % chance to win the SB next year than they would in most other seasons. If the answer is YES, then there is reason to engage in shorter term thinking to maximize the chance at a Lombardi Trophy.
If they feel the chance is low, then it makes more sense to play the long game.
Consider a corrolary question to the above: How willing are you to sacrifice a chance at a Lombardi Trophy by being conservative? Some might call that playing not to lose...
It is also worth noting that the Vikings FO has given every indication that they believe the time is now and the window is open. You can agree or disagree with their view of the roster, but they have already made a major move indicating this viewpoint via the Sam Bradford trade. That is not something you do when you are just "talking the talk." Does anyone really think this mindset will not influence the decisions they make in the next 10 weeks?
Personally, I prefer to think about what might actually happen as opposed to what I think should happen when it comes to the NFL. My point above is based in that thinking. All things considered going into the 2017 off season, the probability of them finding a competitive option at either Tackle spot is by far the highest in Free Agency. Add in the sense of urgency that a superbowl window brings and it is even more likely that they'll go for a high cost player who can immediately contribute.
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I understand that's what you're saying but I'm wondering how that translates into specifics. The meaning of phrases like "Free Agency is the answer" and "shorter term thinking" is relatively self-evident but where do you see the limits of such an approach or do you see limits at all? Should they sign 3 starting-caliber free agents regardless of the cost or the potential long term consequences of outbidding the competition and overpaying for the talent?mansquatch wrote:The distinction to me is this:
Do they feel that they have a higher % chance to win the SB next year than they would in most other seasons. If the answer is YES, then there is reason to engage in shorter term thinking to maximize the chance at a Lombardi Trophy.
I'm not talking about being conservative. I've simply been talking about the difference between being aggressive about improvement and becoming reckless in a way that could lead to cap issues or insufficient return on a heavy investment.If they feel the chance is low, then it makes more sense to play the long game.
Consider a corrolary question to the above: How willing are you to sacrifice a chance at a Lombardi Trophy by being conservative? Some might call that playing not to lose...
I think that's likely too but again: how much is too much?It is also worth noting that the Vikings FO has given every indication that they believe the time is now and the window is open. You can agree or disagree with their view of the roster, but they have already made a major move indicating this viewpoint via the Sam Bradford trade. That is not something you do when you are just "talking the talk." Does anyone really think this mindset will not influence the decisions they make in the next 10 weeks?
Personally, I prefer to think about what might actually happen as opposed to what I think should happen when it comes to the NFL. My point above is based in that thinking. All things considered going into the 2017 off season, the probability of them finding a competitive option at either Tackle spot is by far the highest in Free Agency. Add in the sense of urgency that a superbowl window brings and it is even more likely that they'll go for a high cost player who can immediately contribute.
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You mean the way we've found so many solid O-linemen in the draft over the past several years?Pondering Her Percy wrote: I dont know thats an awful risky approach. And if we went that route I would imagine this board would be going bonkers. There are still a lot of good OL in this class. I believe we can find some solid players if we play our cards right
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I'm just trying to think 'ahead of the curve' about where to get the best value in building an offensive line in the current environent.Pondering Her Percy wrote: I dont know thats an awful risky approach. And if we went that route I would imagine this board would be going bonkers. There are still a lot of good OL in this class. I believe we can find some solid players if we play our cards right
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Just once, I would like to see one of my favorite players start and finish their entire career in purple. I never got to see Moss do it. I never got to see Kevin Williams do it, Jared Allen didn't, nor did Antonine Winfield (I am 24, so hence the recency bias).
I understand the nature of the NFL: A player staying on a team for his entire career is very, very unlikely. Still, regardless of his age, no other player is Adrain Peterson but Adrian Peterson. I still think he can contribute to this team and bring them success.
I understand the nature of the NFL: A player staying on a team for his entire career is very, very unlikely. Still, regardless of his age, no other player is Adrain Peterson but Adrian Peterson. I still think he can contribute to this team and bring them success.
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I do too and it really would be nice to see him finish his career in Minnesota.HardcoreVikesFan wrote:Just once, I would like to see one of my favorite players start and finish their entire career in purple. I never got to see Moss do it. I never got to see Kevin Williams do it, Jared Allen didn't, nor did Antonine Winfield (I am 24, so hence the recency bias).
I understand the nature of the NFL: A player staying on a team for his entire career is very, very unlikely. Still, regardless of his age, no other player is Adrain Peterson but Adrian Peterson. I still think he can contribute to this team and bring them success.
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There is a lot of FA running backs out there cheap.
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Jacques Rodgers would be a good fit. I wouldn't mind Eddie Lacy either.halfgiz wrote:There is a lot of FA running backs out there cheap.
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Seriously ? Draft a kid and sign Jamaal Charles.
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24 more days till we find out
From 720Pete's thread:
From 720Pete's thread:
March 8th - Final day to exercise an option on Adrian Peterson 's 2017 year ($11.75 million base salary, $6 million roster bonus (March 11), $250,000 workout bonus). Declining option would give $18 million in salary cap room.
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the LAST thing I wanna do is watch AP run out the fading days of his career in purple, repetitively injured and off the field, eating up cap space, and getting in the way of our team progress. Modern day players are NOT going to take significant pay cuts to "finish their career in purple". Its a business to both players and owners and keeping an aging RB will be a bad move, certainly NOT the move of a team trying to win a Super Bowl....as the Pats if they would keep an old broken RB on the team.......