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http://www.twincities.com/2017/01/02/vi ... o-pay-cut/

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Veteran running back Adrian Peterson said Monday he wants to return to the Vikings and seemed open to the possibility of taking a pay cut.

Peterson, 31, is under contract for a non-guaranteed $18 million next season, and it is highly unlikely the Vikings are willing to pay that amount to keep him. He could be released in March or return on a renegotiated deal.

“I would love to finish my career here with the Minnesota Vikings,” Peterson said the day after the Vikings concluded a disappointing 8-8 season. “So that’s where my mind is.”


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Peterson said he has no contract number in mind, but he understands the reality of the NFL salary cap.

“There’s the reality that there comes a point in time where, yeah, the best thing to do is take a pay cut, and it might be in the best interest of the team, as well,” Peterson said.


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Veteran running back Adrian Peterson said Monday he wants to return to the Vikings and seemed open to the possibility of taking a pay cut.

Peterson, 31, is under contract for a non-guaranteed $18 million next season, and it is highly unlikely the Vikings are willing to pay that amount to keep him. He could be released in March or return on a renegotiated deal.

“I would love to finish my career here with the Minnesota Vikings,” Peterson said the day after the Vikings concluded a disappointing 8-8 season. “So that’s where my mind is.”


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Peterson said he has no contract number in mind, but he understands the reality of the NFL salary cap.

“There’s the reality that there comes a point in time where, yeah, the best thing to do is take a pay cut, and it might be in the best interest of the team, as well,” Peterson said.


He says that, but when the figure is, say, 1/10th of what it was I'm guessing he'll change his tune.


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He says that, but when the figure is, say, 1/10th of what it was I'm guessing he'll change his tune.


We'll see. I wouldn't be so certain and if they make an offer, I think they'll probably offer him more than that (although I realize you were just throwing out a number).

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Peterson also was asked if he wanted to test free agency for the first time in his career.

I just saw this too:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1839 ... ke-pay-cut

"I think when that time comes, I'll cross that bridge," he said. "I've been taking in a lot here the past couple weeks -- just the fans here. Man, I've been here 10 years. We have a great team. We have some great things going on here in Minnesota. I would love to continue to be a part of that. That's how I'm thinking. It's not, 'Oh, free agency, I get to test this.' I'm not just going to write myself off here in Minnesota.

"I'd be lying to you to say that I haven't thought about, 'Well, what if we're not able to work things out?' So that crossed my mind. When thoughts just even cross your mind, you kind of sit back and think about all the times that you had here and your teammates and things like that."


To me, he sounds somewhat sentimental about being a Viking and since he's spent his entire career in Minnesota, that's probably genuine sentiment.

His agent is likely to give him an idea of what he can make on the open market and I imagine he'll respond accordingly. He sounds to me like a guy who knows the writing is on the wall. He likely understands his days of $10 million+ a year deals are over so it becomes a question of where does he want to play and what he's willing to accept.


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Honestly I'd be fine if they paid him 4 million next year.


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He says that, but when the figure is, say, 1/10th of what it was I'm guessing he'll change his tune.


We'll see. I wouldn't be so certain and if they make an offer, I think they'll probably offer him more than that (although I realize you were just throwing out a number).

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Peterson also was asked if he wanted to test free agency for the first time in his career.

I just saw this too:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1839 ... ke-pay-cut

"I think when that time comes, I'll cross that bridge," he said. "I've been taking in a lot here the past couple weeks -- just the fans here. Man, I've been here 10 years. We have a great team. We have some great things going on here in Minnesota. I would love to continue to be a part of that. That's how I'm thinking. It's not, 'Oh, free agency, I get to test this.' I'm not just going to write myself off here in Minnesota.

"I'd be lying to you to say that I haven't thought about, 'Well, what if we're not able to work things out?' So that crossed my mind. When thoughts just even cross your mind, you kind of sit back and think about all the times that you had here and your teammates and things like that."


To me, he sounds somewhat sentimental about being a Viking and since he's spent his entire career in Minnesota, that's probably genuine sentiment.

His agent is likely to give him an idea of what he can make on the open market and I imagine he'll respond accordingly. He sounds to me like a guy who knows the writing is on the wall. He likely understands his days of $10 million+ a year deals are over so it becomes a question of where does he want to play and what he's willing to accept.


Maybe so, but I'd be surprised. He's always been one to be a bit out of touch with reality. That worked well for him in his career--allowed him to do things that they said could not be done. If he still has unrealistic notions of his worth and his abilities, I can see us low balling him and AD getting offended. I hope I'm wrong. But what I hope for most of all is that we don't overpay him.

Souhan isn't our favorite, but his article on the matter is pretty solid:
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With Doug Martin ineffective and suspended, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers might want a power runner to complement quarterback Jameis Winston and receiver Mike Evans. The Green Bay Packers could pull a reverse Favre and adopt an aging rival.

Even if a winning team signs him, Peterson has entered a period of unwelcomed reality.

He’ll have to take a major pay cut. He may have to accept a reduced role. He may never again be the player he was when he rushed for 1,485 yards in 2015, much less the player who rushed for 2,097 in 2012.

Adrian Peterson will most likely leave with hard feelings and without ceremony. Often, that’s the Minnesota way.


More at link: http://www.startribune.com/like-many-be ... 409206925/


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Part of him leaving will what he could expect to get paid from someone else. I'm guessing it might not be that high, so a significant paycut is in order. Also, how many suitors will be able to promise an opportunity for a playoff run? This roster can assuming it can stay healthy in 2017.

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Post Re: Vikings RB Adrian Peterson wants to return, open to pay
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Maybe so, but I'd be surprised. He's always been one to be a bit out of touch with reality. That worked well for him in his career--allowed him to do things that they said could not be done. If he still has unrealistic notions of his worth and his abilities, I can see us low balling him and AD getting offended. I hope I'm wrong. But what I hope for most of all is that we don't overpay him.


I think we just see him differently. He's certainly expressed some pie-in-the-sky ambitions over the years and he obviously a lives a life far different than most but when it comes to the realities of the game and his career, I'm not convinced he's so out of touch. Sure, like many star players he has a big ego but there was a lot of talk about him being unrealistic before he got his last contract and it was much more substantial than most expected. He also delivered on it last year by leading the league in rushing and helping the Vikes reach the postseason. I have no idea how this season would have gone if he hadn't suffered the meniscus tear but i don't think it's unrealistic for him to think he still has some good football left in him.

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Souhan isn't our favorite, but his article on the matter is pretty solid:
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With Doug Martin ineffective and suspended, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers might want a power runner to complement quarterback Jameis Winston and receiver Mike Evans. The Green Bay Packers could pull a reverse Favre and adopt an aging rival.

Even if a winning team signs him, Peterson has entered a period of unwelcomed reality.

He’ll have to take a major pay cut. He may have to accept a reduced role. He may never again be the player he was when he rushed for 1,485 yards in 2015, much less the player who rushed for 2,097 in 2012.

Adrian Peterson will most likely leave with hard feelings and without ceremony. Often, that’s the Minnesota way.


More at link: http://www.startribune.com/like-many-be ... 409206925/


He'll have to take a pay cut if he wants to play anywhere in the NFL and it's possible he'd have to accept a reduced role but I'm just not convinced he'd be opposed to either. He might not ever be the player he was in 2012 or even 2015 again but I don't think it necessarily follows that he'll leave the Vikings with hard feelings or leave them at all. Maybe I'm a sucker but I believe him when he says he'd like to remain a Viking and I have little doubt that he comprehends his situation. A 32 year old RB coming off a missed season isn't going to get paid like the 2012 MVP by anybody. Peterson sounds like he knows that.


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Post Re: Vikings RB Adrian Peterson wants to return, open to pay
Honestly, AP has always struck me as the kind of guy who WILL step up and be the work horse, but doesn't NEED to be.

He is happy rushing 40 times for 200 yards in a game and 3 TDS

He is happy rushing 20 times for 100 yards in a game and 1-2 TDS

I think all AP wants now is to play for a contender and keep making decent progress towards the all time record. I feel like he probably is going to play until that progress dwindles or he misses another season.


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I think some of it will have to do with what coaching changes we make this coming season. Will Peterson fit the new coaches theme? I would imagine what Peterson would want will be to steep for a 2 down running back.


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Hope AD Saved a lot of his money. The money train might be over soon


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If it can be done, you should do it.

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Post Re: Vikings RB Adrian Peterson wants to return, open to pay
I think 5mil with a 3mil bonus if he doesnt get injured and is available 90+% of the time.


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I would be okay with bringing AD back on a 3 year contract worth about $10-12 million. AD has aged and isn't the player he once was, but he still has value for the team. I think a lot of those short goal to go situations could have turned into touchdowns had AD been in the backfield instead of Matt. Also, it seems he has a big year after missing a year, so I'd rather have him racking up yards for the Vikings than for someone else.


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I think some of it will have to do with what coaching changes we make this coming season. Will Peterson fit the new coaches theme? I would imagine what Peterson would want will be to steep for a 2 down running back.



Agreed.

Do we want to be handicapped by his limitations? Do we want to pay a premium to be limited in what we can do? I don't think the payoff (big explosive runs) justifies the expenses anymore. By expenses, I mean both money and the way he limits our offense's options.


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It will be interesting to see what AP would take to re- sign, current contract is $14 mil/yr ,with $4,3 guaranteed. Next highest RB is Le Sean McCoy at $8 mil/yr,$3,6 guaranteed. Ezekiel Elliott $6.3 all guaranteed was a bargain for Dallas, and even bigger value is LeVeon Bell who is in final year of rookie deal,$1 mil with $570 K guaranteed,he will get paid big time. No wonder the Patriots are always competitive,they signed LeGarrette Blount to a one year deal worth $1 mil//yr with only $100k guaranteed, he is also a free agent who stands to make more in 2017 as he ran for 18 TD's .I think a good comparison would be Matt Forte who signed a 3 year deal with the Jets last year for$4mil/yr with $3mil/yr guaranteed, he is the same age as AP.


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bell is one failed drug test away from a year long suspension. so, don't expect him to get paid big bucs like it appears he will on the surface. with as many other issues that need addressed with this team, i'm all for bringing back peterson. i know it will all come down to money, but does anyone realistically think we can build a line and find a running back all in one season without a first round pick? i'd say the word for that is: impossible.


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I think 5mil with a 3mil bonus if he doesnt get injured and is available 90+% of the time.


A 3 million bonus if he doesn't get injured? I doubt any player has ever had an incentive bonus for not getting hurt. An incentive should be for a player reaching some kind of statistic. Not getting injured would have an opposite effect in that the player would not put forth their best effort for fear of being injured. The only way a player can avoid getting hurt is if the don't play or if they avoid contact and even that doesn't always work (ie. Teddy Bridgewater).


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At the risk of being very unpopular, I'll be the contrarian here. I'm ready to move on.

Don't get me wrong. I love Adrian Peterson. No player has given me more thrills. Heck, the two games in his rookie season -- the 254 against Chicago and the 296 against San Diego -- were enough to make him among my top 3 Vikings of all time.

But he should not be the focal point of this team's offense anymore, and if he's on the team, he'll be the focal point. He commands something like the Randy Ratio. Notice I didn't say he "demands" to be the focal point. It's not him saying, "Give me carries. Give me touches." But his mere presence, simply who he is -- it commands that kind of focus. Not only do I not think this team is built for it, but I also don't think he's capable of it anymore.

It's not about the money for me. This team needs to move forward and build around a more diverse offensive attack.

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I'd pass unless he really is 100% healthy (from outside sources verifying this), his mind is in the right place, and he is willing to take a big paycut (and not consider it an insult. I love AD but I am ready to move on, to a cheaper, younger version, while we fix this Oline.

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Let's see, He is not a threat receiving passes, he can't pass block or pick up a blitz, he has to come out on third down and long , he's been injured twice in his knees. Remind me, again why he earns all this Money? Is it really Viable to believe he can still make many of those long runs anymore?


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J. Kapp 11 wrote:
At the risk of being very unpopular, I'll be the contrarian here. I'm ready to move on.


I'm not sure that's actually the contrarian view at this point. I get the feeling it's the more popular view.


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I'm sick of the stupid comments and stupid things he has done ...

I give him mad respect as to his natural talents.. but lets be honest
the guy is a moron and is pretty much done due to age ... move on please

he deserves to be in the Vikings ring of honor and probably HOF

he also deserves to retire or play somewhere else given his current ability
and stupid comments....

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At the risk of being very unpopular, I'll be the contrarian here. I'm ready to move on.

Don't get me wrong. I love Adrian Peterson. No player has given me more thrills. Heck, the two games in his rookie season -- the 254 against Chicago and the 296 against San Diego -- were enough to make him among my top 3 Vikings of all time.

But he should not be the focal point of this team's offense anymore, and if he's on the team, he'll be the focal point. He commands something like the Randy Ratio. Notice I didn't say he "demands" to be the focal point. It's not him saying, "Give me carries. Give me touches." But his mere presence, simply who he is -- it commands that kind of focus. Not only do I not think this team is built for it, but I also don't think he's capable of it anymore.

It's not about the money for me. This team needs to move forward and build around a more diverse offensive attack.



Solid, well said! It is about the money too for me, I don't think he is worth a whole lot at 32 with 3 major knees in his past and only being a 2 down back. There's a lot to be said for youth at the running back position. Father time has taken down some great RB and its hard to believe AP is going to break that cycle. Its a deep draft this year for RB's and it would be a good idea for the team to make a move in the draft.


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J. Kapp 11 wrote:
At the risk of being very unpopular, I'll be the contrarian here. I'm ready to move on.


I'm not sure that's actually the contrarian view at this point. I get the feeling it's the more popular view.

Well, up to my post, most of the replies were about creative ways we could keep him.

My view is that I don't want to keep him. Not even at $1 million per season. And honestly, I feel really guilty saying that.

The guy is, in my mind, among the top 5 running backs of all time. Those two games his rookie season against Chicago and San Diego -- I've never seen anything like it, and I'm pretty sure I never will again. It was like he could run for any yardage he wanted. Heck, the San Diego game, they took him out of the game as soon as he broke the record -- there were still several minutes left in the game. He could've run for 320 or more easily. And that 2012 season, well, it was nothing short of miraculous. Greatest season-long effort I've ever seen from a single player. The very definition of an MVP. The Vikings were probably a 2-3 win team without him.

But when a player's legend and legacy become the focal point, that's when I feel like it's time to move on. He's not the same back he used to be, but his history and "who he is" demands that he get the ball. If we want to actually get better, we need to diversify. It sucks, but Father Time stops for no one.

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Mothman wrote:
J. Kapp 11 wrote:
At the risk of being very unpopular, I'll be the contrarian here. I'm ready to move on.


I'm not sure that's actually the contrarian view at this point. I get the feeling it's the more popular view.

Well, up to my post, most of the replies were about creative ways we could keep him.

My view is that I don't want to keep him. Not even at $1 million per season. And honestly, I feel really guilty saying that.

The guy is, in my mind, among the top 5 running backs of all time. Those two games his rookie season against Chicago and San Diego -- I've never seen anything like it, and I'm pretty sure I never will again. It was like he could run for any yardage he wanted. Heck, the San Diego game, they took him out of the game as soon as he broke the record -- there were still several minutes left in the game. He could've run for 320 or more easily. And that 2012 season, well, it was nothing short of miraculous. Greatest season-long effort I've ever seen from a single player. The very definition of an MVP. The Vikings were probably a 2-3 win team without him.

But when a player's legend and legacy become the focal point, that's when I feel like it's time to move on. He's not the same back he used to be, but his history and "who he is" demands that he get the ball. If we want to actually get better, we need to diversify. It sucks, but Father Time stops for no one.


I agree with your take and I agree with Moth, that your take is more popular than you seem to think. I'd guess it's about 50-50 on this board.
I think we are stronger without him and we can use that money in FA.


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I agree with your take and I agree with Moth, that your take is more popular than you seem to think. I'd guess it's about 50-50 on this board.
I think we are stronger without him and we can use that money in FA.


I'm not convinced the Vikes will make more than a perfunctory offer to him anyway (if that). I suspect their relationship is over and Peterson will play elsewhere next year.


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Mothman wrote:
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I agree with your take and I agree with Moth, that your take is more popular than you seem to think. I'd guess it's about 50-50 on this board.
I think we are stronger without him and we can use that money in FA.


I'm not convinced the Vikes will make more than a perfunctory offer to him anyway (if that). I suspect their relationship is over and Peterson will play elsewhere next year.

I could see him in NE or Seattle to try to get a ring.

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I could see him in NE or Seattle to try to get a ring. I also think that the Giants might have an interest as they don't really have a featured back. Lacey is a UFA and maybe the Packers are sick of him and would look at other options, in the AFC I could see the Ravens and the Raiders showing interest. The Ravens don't have a feature RB and Oakland's Murray is a UFA in 2017.


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Mothman wrote:
Texas Vike wrote:
I agree with your take and I agree with Moth, that your take is more popular than you seem to think. I'd guess it's about 50-50 on this board.
I think we are stronger without him and we can use that money in FA.


I'm not convinced the Vikes will make more than a perfunctory offer to him anyway (if that). I suspect their relationship is over and Peterson will play elsewhere next year.


I'm thinking the same thing, Jim.

I completely get where Kapp is coming from and his points are valid, and I also like some of the counter offers some are suggesting.

But honestly, I think Peterson's fate with the team has already been decided and the Vikings plan to move on.


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Post Re: Vikings RB Adrian Peterson wants to return, open to pay
From an organizational standpoint I think you have him take a paycut but still pay him "more than he is worth" for 2 reasons.

He brings the organization revenue.

He adds a lot in terms of team morale. Work ethic is contagious. Much like the way the entire team played for Favre, on some level they will do the same with Peterson, especially rookies.


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