Re: Offensive Coordinator
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:51 pm
No doubtVikingPaul73 wrote: I agree. But I think he was hamstrung because he didn't have an OL that would allow the time needed for those shots down the field
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No doubtVikingPaul73 wrote: I agree. But I think he was hamstrung because he didn't have an OL that would allow the time needed for those shots down the field
Agree with you more than any other post.......I really feel we should retain Shurmur, shore up the OL, move on from AP (loved him but its time), move forward with Thielen, Diggs, Patterson, Wright, Tread, have a close look at Ham tomorrow, and see what a whole off season with Shurmur looks like.J. Kapp 11 wrote:More than which OC ran the ball more, I'd be interested to see which one had the most success in the downfield passing game. I'd bet a significant portion of my paycheck that it's Shurmur.
We didn't do squat down the field under Norv, especially this year. And the guy who has helped the most to make that happen? Adam Thielen, who got far fewer chances under Norv. Under Shurmur, Thielen has become a true No. 1 receiver.
Does that mean the Vikings should retain Shurmur? No idea. As many have said, without an offensive line, it might not matter who's designing and calling the plays.
I'll tell you the guy I miss. Scott Linehan. That guy is getting it done in Dallas.
Solid post as well....3 thumbs upAlaskan wrote:The problem with the offense is simple. They were one dimensional, heck, worse than one dimensional, all they could do is throw short passes. Hard to throw the ball downfield if you cant pass protect. Hard to run the ball when you can't open any holes to run through. Turner vs Shurmer......hmmm. Turner had 3 years and for the most part total control of the offense, including a TON of influence over personal. They targeted WR over O line last year in RD 1, Why? My money tells me hat is the direction Norv wanted to go. And then they didn't use him. Same goes for Patterson until this later this year. This Team has had a lot of holes to fill on both sides of the ball over the past 5 years and have done a great job developing talent on the defensive side of the ball and for the most part using scheme to cover up deficiencies. However, on the offensive side of the ball it has really been the opposite. They have added some talent but haven't developed it well and haven't used scheme to utilize the personal to the best of there abilities. It had been tunnel vision since Norv arrived! Good riddance iMO. He has a history of not valuing O linemen. Hard to evaluated Shurmer as a Viking OC so far.....taking over mid season and implementing his system fully wasn't an option. He had to work with what was in place already and add some things and make changes at the weeks went on. He was hamstrung. This offense is not far away from being solid, its surprising to me so many on this board fail to see it!
Alaskan wrote:The problem with the offense is simple. They were one dimensional, heck, worse than one dimensional, all they could do is throw short passes. Hard to throw the ball downfield if you cant pass protect. Hard to run the ball when you can't open any holes to run through. Turner vs Shurmer......hmmm. Turner had 3 years and for the most part total control of the offense, including a TON of influence over personal. They targeted WR over O line last year in RD 1, Why? My money tells me hat is the direction Norv wanted to go. And then they didn't use him. Same goes for Patterson until this later this year. This Team has had a lot of holes to fill on both sides of the ball over the past 5 years and have done a great job developing talent on the defensive side of the ball and for the most part using scheme to cover up deficiencies. However, on the offensive side of the ball it has really been the opposite. They have added some talent but haven't developed it well and haven't used scheme to utilize the personal to the best of there abilities. It had been tunnel vision since Norv arrived! Good riddance iMO. He has a history of not valuing O linemen. Hard to evaluated Shurmer as a Viking OC so far.....taking over mid season and implementing his system fully wasn't an option. He had to work with what was in place already and add some things and make changes at the weeks went on. He was hamstrung. This offense is not far away from being solid, its surprising to me so many on this board fail to see it!
I have no problem with the above as long as Shurmur drops the small ball stuff.autobon7 wrote:I really feel we should retain Shurmur, shore up the OL, move on from AP (loved him but its time), move forward with Thielen, Diggs, Patterson, Wright, Tread, have a close look at Ham tomorrow, and see what a whole off season with Shurmur looks like.
Interesting post. Agree wholeheartedly about the "tunnel vision."Alaskan wrote:The problem with the offense is simple. They were one dimensional, heck, worse than one dimensional, all they could do is throw short passes. Hard to throw the ball downfield if you cant pass protect. Hard to run the ball when you can't open any holes to run through. Turner vs Shurmer......hmmm. Turner had 3 years and for the most part total control of the offense, including a TON of influence over personal. They targeted WR over O line last year in RD 1, Why? My money tells me hat is the direction Norv wanted to go. And then they didn't use him. Same goes for Patterson until this later this year. This Team has had a lot of holes to fill on both sides of the ball over the past 5 years and have done a great job developing talent on the defensive side of the ball and for the most part using scheme to cover up deficiencies. However, on the offensive side of the ball it has really been the opposite. They have added some talent but haven't developed it well and haven't used scheme to utilize the personal to the best of there abilities. It had been tunnel vision since Norv arrived! Good riddance iMO. He has a history of not valuing O linemen. Hard to evaluated Shurmer as a Viking OC so far.....taking over mid season and implementing his system fully wasn't an option. He had to work with what was in place already and add some things and make changes at the weeks went on. He was hamstrung. This offense is not far away from being solid, its surprising to me so many on this board fail to see it!
Agree with you that 15th would be solid. They have some work to do to get there without a doubt.....but they aren't that far away IMO.Purple Martin wrote:
I don't know about you but I consider 15th "solid". Right now we're 28th, which is a long way from 15th and really close to "worst in the league". We're so far from solid that I'd accept anything above 20th as being a close enough rendition of "solid".
Given the circumstances it is perhaps the best decision, but it feels like a franchise whose goal is to improve enough to make the playoffs, not a team trying to build and maintain championship caliber play.
I wonder what they will do with Sparano. I wasn't impressed at all with his performance as OL coach. I know it was a very difficult season with injuries, but players seemed to regress under him. Hopefully Zimmer/Shurmur move onfiestavike wrote:Also, this hiring bodes well for continuing the pattern of not heavily investing in the OL, as our quick passing dink and dunk offense will help minimize the importance/value of those positions. Replacing Clemmings (Kalil?) and investing in a DT, MLB, and S will probably be sufficient to get this team close to its ceiling and into the playoffs. Perhaps a new RB too if they let Peterson walk. Perhaps add a RB like Jacquiz Rodgers, or a Darren Sproles type. Also hard to imagine they let Patterson go given the nature of this offense. I think they'll find a lot of ways to use him creatively and get the ball in his hands. That wildcat with Patterson in at HB instead of Asiata for instance, would be interesting.
VikingPaul73 wrote: I wonder what they will do with Sparano. I wasn't impressed at all with his performance as OL coach. I know it was a very difficult season with injuries, but players seemed to regress under him. Hopefully Zimmer/Shurmur move on