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I liked Shurmur's creativity, he did a good job of getting the ball out quickly but the problem then became everyone knew this was all they had and thus could adjust the defense accordingly. Imagine as a DC, knowing 1) you can get solid pressure with a 4-man rush and 2) the opposing QB rarely throws the ball over 10 yards. Talk about frothing at the mouth. I think he needed to take a few more shots downfield to keep the D honest.

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I agree. But I think he was hamstrung because he didn't have an OL that would allow the time needed for those shots down the field


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The problem with the offense is simple. They were one dimensional, heck, worse than one dimensional, all they could do is throw short passes. Hard to throw the ball downfield if you cant pass protect. Hard to run the ball when you can't open any holes to run through. Turner vs Shurmer......hmmm. Turner had 3 years and for the most part total control of the offense, including a TON of influence over personal. They targeted WR over O line last year in RD 1, Why? My money tells me hat is the direction Norv wanted to go. And then they didn't use him. Same goes for Patterson until this later this year. This Team has had a lot of holes to fill on both sides of the ball over the past 5 years and have done a great job developing talent on the defensive side of the ball and for the most part using scheme to cover up deficiencies. However, on the offensive side of the ball it has really been the opposite. They have added some talent but haven't developed it well and haven't used scheme to utilize the personal to the best of there abilities. It had been tunnel vision since Norv arrived! Good riddance iMO. He has a history of not valuing O linemen. Hard to evaluated Shurmer as a Viking OC so far.....taking over mid season and implementing his system fully wasn't an option. He had to work with what was in place already and add some things and make changes at the weeks went on. He was hamstrung. This offense is not far away from being solid, its surprising to me so many on this board fail to see it!


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More than which OC ran the ball more, I'd be interested to see which one had the most success in the downfield passing game. I'd bet a significant portion of my paycheck that it's Shurmur.

We didn't do squat down the field under Norv, especially this year. And the guy who has helped the most to make that happen? Adam Thielen, who got far fewer chances under Norv. Under Shurmur, Thielen has become a true No. 1 receiver.

Does that mean the Vikings should retain Shurmur? No idea. As many have said, without an offensive line, it might not matter who's designing and calling the plays.

I'll tell you the guy I miss. Scott Linehan. That guy is getting it done in Dallas.


Agree with you more than any other post.......I really feel we should retain Shurmur, shore up the OL, move on from AP (loved him but its time), move forward with Thielen, Diggs, Patterson, Wright, Tread, have a close look at Ham tomorrow, and see what a whole off season with Shurmur looks like.


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The problem with the offense is simple. They were one dimensional, heck, worse than one dimensional, all they could do is throw short passes. Hard to throw the ball downfield if you cant pass protect. Hard to run the ball when you can't open any holes to run through. Turner vs Shurmer......hmmm. Turner had 3 years and for the most part total control of the offense, including a TON of influence over personal. They targeted WR over O line last year in RD 1, Why? My money tells me hat is the direction Norv wanted to go. And then they didn't use him. Same goes for Patterson until this later this year. This Team has had a lot of holes to fill on both sides of the ball over the past 5 years and have done a great job developing talent on the defensive side of the ball and for the most part using scheme to cover up deficiencies. However, on the offensive side of the ball it has really been the opposite. They have added some talent but haven't developed it well and haven't used scheme to utilize the personal to the best of there abilities. It had been tunnel vision since Norv arrived! Good riddance iMO. He has a history of not valuing O linemen. Hard to evaluated Shurmer as a Viking OC so far.....taking over mid season and implementing his system fully wasn't an option. He had to work with what was in place already and add some things and make changes at the weeks went on. He was hamstrung. This offense is not far away from being solid, its surprising to me so many on this board fail to see it!


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The problem with the offense is simple. They were one dimensional, heck, worse than one dimensional, all they could do is throw short passes. Hard to throw the ball downfield if you cant pass protect. Hard to run the ball when you can't open any holes to run through. Turner vs Shurmer......hmmm. Turner had 3 years and for the most part total control of the offense, including a TON of influence over personal. They targeted WR over O line last year in RD 1, Why? My money tells me hat is the direction Norv wanted to go. And then they didn't use him. Same goes for Patterson until this later this year. This Team has had a lot of holes to fill on both sides of the ball over the past 5 years and have done a great job developing talent on the defensive side of the ball and for the most part using scheme to cover up deficiencies. However, on the offensive side of the ball it has really been the opposite. They have added some talent but haven't developed it well and haven't used scheme to utilize the personal to the best of there abilities. It had been tunnel vision since Norv arrived! Good riddance iMO. He has a history of not valuing O linemen. Hard to evaluated Shurmer as a Viking OC so far.....taking over mid season and implementing his system fully wasn't an option. He had to work with what was in place already and add some things and make changes at the weeks went on. He was hamstrung. This offense is not far away from being solid, its surprising to me so many on this board fail to see it!



I don't know about you but I consider 15th "solid". Right now we're 28th, which is a long way from 15th and really close to "worst in the league". We're so far from solid that I'd accept anything above 20th as being a close enough rendition of "solid".

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I really feel we should retain Shurmur, shore up the OL, move on from AP (loved him but its time), move forward with Thielen, Diggs, Patterson, Wright, Tread, have a close look at Ham tomorrow, and see what a whole off season with Shurmur looks like.


I have no problem with the above as long as Shurmur drops the small ball stuff.

If Shurmur's small ball style was directly because of the porous OL blocking, I can accept that.

The OL hurt Bradford, the WRs, the RBs and everything else about the offense.


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The problem with the offense is simple. They were one dimensional, heck, worse than one dimensional, all they could do is throw short passes. Hard to throw the ball downfield if you cant pass protect. Hard to run the ball when you can't open any holes to run through. Turner vs Shurmer......hmmm. Turner had 3 years and for the most part total control of the offense, including a TON of influence over personal. They targeted WR over O line last year in RD 1, Why? My money tells me hat is the direction Norv wanted to go. And then they didn't use him. Same goes for Patterson until this later this year. This Team has had a lot of holes to fill on both sides of the ball over the past 5 years and have done a great job developing talent on the defensive side of the ball and for the most part using scheme to cover up deficiencies. However, on the offensive side of the ball it has really been the opposite. They have added some talent but haven't developed it well and haven't used scheme to utilize the personal to the best of there abilities. It had been tunnel vision since Norv arrived! Good riddance iMO. He has a history of not valuing O linemen. Hard to evaluated Shurmer as a Viking OC so far.....taking over mid season and implementing his system fully wasn't an option. He had to work with what was in place already and add some things and make changes at the weeks went on. He was hamstrung. This offense is not far away from being solid, its surprising to me so many on this board fail to see it!


Interesting post. Agree wholeheartedly about the "tunnel vision."


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I don't think that the coaching staff is on the same page offensively. Tough to do with so many former Head Coaches that have an opinion. Turner, as mentioned above somewhere, was not real successful over a 3 year period at improving the offense. Heck, we were not a special offense, even with a healthier OL.
The OL problems show the lack of elite coaching. Our OL doesn't have an identity. Are they power run blockers, pass blockers, zone blockers, trapping, what do they excel in ? Too many pieces without a plan to develop a strength.

I hope that whoever is the OC can establish what offense he wants to run. Can evaluate our OL and determine if they fit or need to be replaced. Next is making sure that the OL coach is on board with developing guys to fit the scheme needed to run this offense. If not on board, find a new one !

All of this is also going to mean the Zim allows an OC to run his offense!
I personally think that we have pieces to be an elite offense. WRs Diggs and Thielen with Treadwell and Patterson? Make for a very nice set of WRs.
We are missing a Robert Smith type of RB.


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The problem with the offense is simple. They were one dimensional, heck, worse than one dimensional, all they could do is throw short passes. Hard to throw the ball downfield if you cant pass protect. Hard to run the ball when you can't open any holes to run through. Turner vs Shurmer......hmmm. Turner had 3 years and for the most part total control of the offense, including a TON of influence over personal. They targeted WR over O line last year in RD 1, Why? My money tells me hat is the direction Norv wanted to go. And then they didn't use him. Same goes for Patterson until this later this year. This Team has had a lot of holes to fill on both sides of the ball over the past 5 years and have done a great job developing talent on the defensive side of the ball and for the most part using scheme to cover up deficiencies. However, on the offensive side of the ball it has really been the opposite. They have added some talent but haven't developed it well and haven't used scheme to utilize the personal to the best of there abilities. It had been tunnel vision since Norv arrived! Good riddance iMO. He has a history of not valuing O linemen. Hard to evaluated Shurmer as a Viking OC so far.....taking over mid season and implementing his system fully wasn't an option. He had to work with what was in place already and add some things and make changes at the weeks went on. He was hamstrung. This offense is not far away from being solid, its surprising to me so many on this board fail to see it!



I don't know about you but I consider 15th "solid". Right now we're 28th, which is a long way from 15th and really close to "worst in the league". We're so far from solid that I'd accept anything above 20th as being a close enough rendition of "solid".


Agree with you that 15th would be solid. They have some work to do to get there without a doubt.....but they aren't that far away IMO.

Last offseason when Shurmer and Sparano where brought in I looked at it as a warning to Turner.....open you mind to new ideas or move on. It needed to be done, he wasn't producing. Could have just fired him and in hindsight probably should have, but given Zimmers respect for him and the fact that he has been respected around the league forever he got the benefit of the doubt that he'd incorporate new ideas into the offensive scheme. Obviously, he didn't agree with the changes being pushed on him and he quit midseason. The injuries didn't help and neither did the fact that Bradford and Shurmer have history, but not the less, he is gone. His system did not fit our personal at all and he spent 2 1/2 years proving it to us all.

On to why I believe the Offense is close to being solid. I am convinced that the offensive coaching staff that is in place now will remain in place for the most part. Shurmer will implement fully a variation of the West Coast offense tailored to the talent available to him. Bradford is very familiar with the System, which is very important to its success. They have the WR corp to fit the system as well. The O'-line will have a new look no doubt, with FA and draftee's hand picked by the people implementing the new system and blocking schemes. These schemes will be a whole new look from the power man blocking that dominated Norvs system. As far as the RB goes, McKinnon fits the system pretty well. AD does not. They need to add some RB talent via the draft and FA IMO. It should be a 2nd or 3rd round pick IMO. There TE situation could use some work as well, but the blocking TE of Morgan and Ellison aren't the worst situation for this system. I see the transition being a smooth one because Bradford and Shurmer have a history in this system. When they were together in Philly, there offense was 13th in the league with less receiver talent and average RB talent (Murray didn't play much). There O line was solid but nothing spectacular. To me the glass is more half full when it comes to the Offense making some big strides with the new system, coaching staff and the addition of some personel.




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Looks like it's official

http://www.dailynorseman.com/2017/1/8/14203546/report-vikings-make-pat-shurmur-offensive-coordinator


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Apologies to JIm :o

Not surprised this happened. I am in favor of this team being a West Coast team, but, it remains to be seen if Shurmur is the right person to call the plays.

I hope this team transitions into a true zone blocking team. Our personnel on the line would be better suited for that scheme.

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Given the circumstances it is perhaps the best decision, but it feels like a franchise whose goal is to improve enough to make the playoffs, not a team trying to build and maintain championship caliber play.

It seems to be the consensus among Vikings fans that the best approach is to make the easy match, to "get the most out of your talent", even if that means creating a lower overall ceiling. I don't think making those type of compromises really prepare a team or its players for excellence or gives them the ability to respond well when they get challenged or hit a speed bump. I'm just past the point where winning 9, 10, 11 games and making a playoff appearnce is a remotely satisfying season.

I agree more with Norv Turner's much disparaged vision. If you suppose that we are going to create a competent offensive line this offseason, we would undoubtedly have had a much higher ceiling next year under Turner than under Shurmur. If we don't fix the offensive line it wouldn't matter anyways. This team, as usual, seems to be taking the short-sighted and impatient approach, and I think the compromising on the STANDARD of excellence for short term improvement is why Norv checked out this season.


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Also, this hiring bodes well for continuing the pattern of not heavily investing in the OL, as our quick passing dink and dunk offense will help minimize the importance/value of those positions. Replacing Clemmings (Kalil?) and investing in a DT, MLB, and S will probably be sufficient to get this team close to its ceiling and into the playoffs. Perhaps a new RB too if they let Peterson walk. Perhaps add a RB like Jacquiz Rodgers, or a Darren Sproles type. Also hard to imagine they let Patterson go given the nature of this offense. I think they'll find a lot of ways to use him creatively and get the ball in his hands. That wildcat with Patterson in at HB instead of Asiata for instance, would be interesting.


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Also, this hiring bodes well for continuing the pattern of not heavily investing in the OL, as our quick passing dink and dunk offense will help minimize the importance/value of those positions. Replacing Clemmings (Kalil?) and investing in a DT, MLB, and S will probably be sufficient to get this team close to its ceiling and into the playoffs. Perhaps a new RB too if they let Peterson walk. Perhaps add a RB like Jacquiz Rodgers, or a Darren Sproles type. Also hard to imagine they let Patterson go given the nature of this offense. I think they'll find a lot of ways to use him creatively and get the ball in his hands. That wildcat with Patterson in at HB instead of Asiata for instance, would be interesting.


I wonder what they will do with Sparano. I wasn't impressed at all with his performance as OL coach. I know it was a very difficult season with injuries, but players seemed to regress under him. Hopefully Zimmer/Shurmur move on


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Also, this hiring bodes well for continuing the pattern of not heavily investing in the OL, as our quick passing dink and dunk offense will help minimize the importance/value of those positions. Replacing Clemmings (Kalil?) and investing in a DT, MLB, and S will probably be sufficient to get this team close to its ceiling and into the playoffs. Perhaps a new RB too if they let Peterson walk. Perhaps add a RB like Jacquiz Rodgers, or a Darren Sproles type. Also hard to imagine they let Patterson go given the nature of this offense. I think they'll find a lot of ways to use him creatively and get the ball in his hands. That wildcat with Patterson in at HB instead of Asiata for instance, would be interesting.


I wonder what they will do with Sparano. I wasn't impressed at all with his performance as OL coach. I know it was a very difficult season with injuries, but players seemed to regress under him. Hopefully Zimmer/Shurmur move on



Sparano was the TE's coach for the 49ers and Shurmur's TE position would be open. :whistle:

Bears fired their OL coach Dave Magazu . He pretty well respected.
Maybe Aaron Kromer, He is currently Bills line coach but Rex is gone.


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Shurmer might have a bias towards more "small ball" but the team was taking shots downfield while he was calling plays, so to say he is a one trick pony is probably not giving him enough credit.

The Sparano question is a good one, here is a piece by Daily Norseman that calls for his head. Link: http://www.dailynorseman.com/2017/1/7/1 ... nsive-line

I do think that the trend on Sparano is not good. It is hard to say it is him vs. the injuries though. Spielman and Zimmer get paid to make that choice, I hope they make the best call for the team.

I'm not convinced we are going to see two new tackles in 2017. I just do not think it is feasible to replace that many OL in a single offseason without demolishing our long term cap situation. I do think the roster is in a place where they could afford to draft 3-5 OL prospects and probably not be worse for wear. If they are going to do that though, they need to make sure they've got the right people in place to coach them up to be competitive in the NFL game. That to me is where Sparano might not be the guy. The points in the linked article about Sparano's value add make a good case to the negative.

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Apologies to JIm :o


:lol: I'm not thrilled by their decision but hopefully, he'll be a good OC for them.


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Here is my positive on Shurmer. He seems to have been the driving force on changing the offense to adapt to the personnel issues up front. That is the kind of flexibility I like to see from a coach. Whether that is a case of "my system is better" vs. "If we run these types of plays we'll be more successful" remains to be seen. They did start taking more deep shots as the season wore on so that is also a positive development.

I'm hoping it is the latter. The results Shurmer got out of SB certainly provide a reason for optimism. The rushing attack and state of the OL are a different story...

Bottom line is the need to be scoring 24-25 PPG. With this defense that will equal post season success.

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Here is my positive on Shurmer. He seems to have been the driving force on changing the offense to adapt to the personnel issues up front. That is the kind of flexibility I like to see from a coach. Whether that is a case of "my system is better" vs. "If we run these types of plays we'll be more successful" remains to be seen. They did start taking more deep shots as the season wore on so that is also a positive development.

I'm glad someone else noticed this because it's true. Not only did they take more deep shots, but they were pretty darned successful at it.

Did you know ... the Vikings ranked 12th in the league with a 52 pass plays of 20+ yards? And guess who they tied with? Matthew Stafford and the Detroit Lions. Meanwhile, Stafford is an MVP candidate, while Bradford is ... Bradford.

There isn't much wrong with the passing game except for the offensive line. Sacks, penalties, negative rushing plays -- those are the reasons we didn't score more points, and were are ALL related to an overwhelming lack of talent up front.

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This is going to come off as Hyperbole, but if they replaced Clemmings with an average tackle that alone would probably boost PPG by 3-5 IMO. His penalites, sacks, and general ineffectiveness literally crippled us. One of the announcers of the wild card games yesterday made the point that you only get 10-12 possesions in a game and if you are constantly wasting them via penalties from the OL (Holding, FS, etc) you are not going to score points and consequently not win games.

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Shurmur had questions coming in, and nothing but excuses going out.

Hope they look elsewhere.


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Shurmur had questions coming in, and nothing but excuses going out.

Hope they look elsewhere.

Too late...

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Shurmur had questions coming in, and nothing but excuses going out.

Hope they look elsewhere.

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http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/ShurPa0.htm

The only time "his" offense was even average was when Chip Kelly was running it.
Guess Bradford has his consistency? :confused:


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The only time "his" offense was even average was when Chip Kelly was running it.
Guess Bradford has his consistency? :confused:


I think it's more about consistency in general, not necessarily just Bradford. I think this offense can succeed if it just had an OL that could do something. The big thing is Spielman/Zimmer just need to draft smart. Let AP walk and spend 3 of our top 4-5 picks on a RB and OL. Add defensive depth throughout.

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The only time "his" offense was even average was when Chip Kelly was running it.
Guess Bradford has his consistency? :confused:


I think it's more about consistency in general, not necessarily just Bradford. I think this offense can succeed if it just had an OL that could do something. The big thing is Spielman/Zimmer just need to draft smart. Let AP walk and spend 3 of our top 4-5 picks on a RB and OL. Add defensive depth throughout.


Consistency in general...by keeping the guy who was the OC for half a season? I think they could have hired someone with more potential (who hasn't failed repeatedly) that they could possibly run with for the next few seasons. Instead they keep the guy that they hired because they weren't quite sure about Norv? And ended up with his ex-QB who had success under Chip Kelly's offense? What a mess.

Who even knows what's going on with the OL injuries, WR mess etc. I'd feel much better if they had brought in someone from the outside who'd take a look at the overall situation and make changes. Remember when a new OL coach was going to make a difference? Now a new WR coach might make a difference at that position? And our OC needs to stay because of consistency.

The defensive coaching staff seems competent. By the time the offense gets sorted out, we're going to need to be rebuilding again. :(


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The only time "his" offense was even average was when Chip Kelly was running it.
Guess Bradford has his consistency? :confused:


I think it's more about consistency in general, not necessarily just Bradford. I think this offense can succeed if it just had an OL that could do something. The big thing is Spielman/Zimmer just need to draft smart. Let AP walk and spend 3 of our top 4-5 picks on a RB and OL. Add defensive depth throughout.


Consistency in general...by keeping the guy who was the OC for half a season? I think they could have hired someone with more potential (who hasn't failed repeatedly) that they could possibly run with for the next few seasons. Instead they keep the guy that they hired because they weren't quite sure about Norv? And ended up with his ex-QB who had success under Chip Kelly's offense? What a mess.

Who even knows what's going on with the OL injuries, WR mess etc. I'd feel much better if they had brought in someone from the outside who'd take a look at the overall situation and make changes. Remember when a new OL coach was going to make a difference? Now a new WR coach might make a difference at that position? And our OC needs to stay because of consistency.

The defensive coaching staff seems competent. By the time the offense gets sorted out, we're going to need to be rebuilding again. :(


Not really sure what WR "mess" you are referring to.....we almost had 2 guys with 1000 yard seasons and Patterson was working his way into quality touches and had 453 himself. It is a bit worrisome that LT only had 1 catch but truthfully we really didn't need him as AT stepped up plus we got good production out of the TE position (97% was Rudolph) which combined was another 900+ receiving yards. I believe the team would have been better served if we would have went OL instead of Treadwell. I'm just not seeing any "mess". Johnson can be let go but Wright is also a quality receiver who was hampered by injury......I'm seeing a very solid group and definitely not a position of need.


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There isn't much wrong with the passing game except for the offensive line. Sacks, penalties, negative rushing plays -- those are the reasons we didn't score more points, and were are ALL related to an overwhelming lack of talent up front.


There is no doubt every skill position suffered because of the ineptitude of the offensive line. It showed up on film.

That said, I still question some of the offensive playcalling and decisions, even with a bad OL.


Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:41 am
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Post Re: Offensive Coordinator
Here's an option that I guess is out now that Shurmur has been promoted: former Vikings OC Bill Musgrave is out in Oakland after coordinating the Raiders offense into the top 10 (they were ranked dead last in the league the year before he took over). Apparently, his contract was up and the Raiders aren't going to renew it, reportedly choosing to promote QB coach Todd Downing into the position. From what I've reading, it was an 'either/or' scenario, with Downing likely to leave for a coordinator job if he didn't get a promotion.

I think Musgrave was under-appreciated in Minnesota but after the job he didn't in Oakland, I imagine he'll have no trouble finding another position.


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Post Re: Offensive Coordinator
Mothman wrote:
Here's an option that I guess is out now that Shurmur has been promoted: former Vikings OC Bill Musgrave is out in Oakland after coordinating the Raiders offense into the top 10 (they were ranked dead last in the league the year before he took over). Apparently, his contract was up and the Raiders aren't going to renew it, reportedly choosing to promote QB coach Todd Downing into the position. From what I've reading, it was an 'either/or' scenario, with Downing likely to leave for a coordinator job if he didn't get a promotion.

I think Musgrave was under-appreciated in Minnesota but after the job he didn't in Oakland, I imagine he'll have no trouble finding another position.


Hard to believe he was not retained.....I could see him landing in LA or Cleveland or even Indy


Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:56 am
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