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“I think he’s played really remarkable, considering all the things that have gone on with the trade and coaches and terminology, and having to come in here and learn,” Zimmer said of Bradford. “He’s got a chance to break the NFL record for completion percentage. His quarterback rating (98.3) is the best of his career. There are so many things. I think he’s having a great year. And if we won more games, I think people would be talking about him a lot more.”


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Interesting thanks for posting

Our first indicator of what direction the team wants to go in the offseason

Do you think it's reasonable to project his view of Bradford onto Shurmur?


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Interesting thanks for posting

Our first indicator of what direction the team wants to go in the offseason

Do you think it's reasonable to project his view of Bradford onto Shurmur?


Probably. There's actually an article at the PP site about that too:

http://www.twincities.com/2016/12/28/vi ... ordinator/

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“I’m all for it,” Bradford said of Shurmur staying as offensive coordinator. “Obviously, me and Pat have been together. We were together my rookie year (in St. Louis); we were together in Philadelphia. I just really enjoy working with him. I think he has a great mind. I’ve learned a lot from him. I owe a lot to Pat, and it has been really fun getting back and having him call the plays.”

The Vikings are 2-6 since Shurmur replaced Turner. But Zimmer said he has kept a list of offensive statistics that he values since Shurmur took over.

“Most every area has improved,” Zimmer said.

But he said a decision on Shurmur’s status won’t be made until after the season ends with Sunday’s game against the Chicago Bears.


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I'll go along with Zimmer about Bradford playing well for the Vikings. Bradford has had to dodge a lot negative dynamics with this current offense, so I don't blame him for its futility or the the team's slide from 5-0 to where it is now.

That said, I'm hoping Zimmer doesn't just anoint Bradford as the starting QB. I still want Bradford to compete with a "healthy" (if possible) Bridgewater during the next preseason to firmly establish which guy should be playing. Whoever gets the starting spot shouldn't have to be looking over his shoulder during the games.


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thats like saying your run of the mill average student is "amazing" because he got a few A's in basic courses......Bradford is a good quarterback with clear limitations. Right now, saying ANYONE on our team is "amazing" this year is just trying to put lipstick on a pig. NOTHING about this team is amazing except the utter failures of Spielman and our OL.


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thats like saying your run of the mill average student is "amazing" because he got a few A's in basic courses......Bradford is a good quarterback with clear limitations. Right now, saying ANYONE on our team is "amazing" this year is just trying to put lipstick on a pig. NOTHING about this team is amazing except the utter failures of Spielman and our OL.


What limitations does the guy have other than not being able to scramble? His deep balls have been on the money. The other throws are clearly good given his completion percentage. I think you aren't a fan of "Sam Bradford" because you're too worried about assessing his past instead of assessing this year.

Outside of scrambling, he doesn't have many limitations at all.

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This is the first time since 2005 (2009 an odd exception) where it doesn't feel like we have a major question mark at QB.

There are things to fix on the roster, but right now QB isn't one of them.

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Jeez Percy....chill...
as I said, I think Bradford is a "good" QB.....actually likely better then Teddy who has yet to prove much other then being a nice guy.

However, I think its hyperbole for anyone to say he is "amazing".

Is he good enough for a Super bowl team? Maybe, IF he had a real OL as opposed to the plate of cold vomit that SPielman has served us. Certainly he is at least as good as Flacco, if not better. So, if you give him a great Defense (ours is darn good but not great) and a reasonable OL (or is NOT) he MIGHT be the man for the job.......


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Based on his play this year, I'd take Bradford over Flacco every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Yes, I know Flacco has a ring. But let's not forget, the man was one botched coverage against 7 DBs and not one, but two special teams touchdowns from an unceremonious first-round exit. It may have been the luckiest win in playoff history. Since that season, Flacco has done next to nothing with his $100+ million contract.

My feeling is that with his arm and accuracy, coupled with our receiving talent, Bradford needs two things to excel.
1. Something remotely resembling an offensive line.
2. Some consistency in who his coordinator is -- something he's never had.

No. 2 is easy. Keep Shurmur. The first one might take a miracle, given where we're starting from.

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Based on his play this year, I'd take Bradford over Flacco every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Yes, I know Flacco has a ring. But let's not forget, the man was one botched coverage against 7 DBs and not one, but two special teams touchdowns from an unceremonious first-round exit. It may have been the luckiest win in playoff history. Since that season, Flacco has done next to nothing with his $100+ million contract.

My feeling is that with his arm and accuracy, coupled with our receiving talent, Bradford needs two things to excel.
1. Something remotely resembling an offensive line.
2. Some consistency in who his coordinator is -- something he's never had.

No. 2 is easy. Keep Shurmur. The first one might take a miracle, given where we're starting from.


Flacco had an amazing postseason for a QB, maybe the best in history.

While im not sure if Bradford could do that, I think given the right situation he could be a SB winning QB if he can keep playing like he did this year, if he improves at all, no doubt.

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My feeling is that with his arm and accuracy, coupled with our receiving talent, Bradford needs two things to excel.
1. Something remotely resembling an offensive line.
2. Some consistency in who his coordinator is -- something he's never had.


Hard to say it's something he's never had when Shurmur was his OC in St. Louis in 2010 and last year in Philadelphia.


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Jeez Percy....chill...
as I said, I think Bradford is a "good" QB.....actually likely better then Teddy who has yet to prove much other then being a nice guy.

However, I think its hyperbole for anyone to say he is "amazing".

Is he good enough for a Super bowl team? Maybe, IF he had a real OL as opposed to the plate of cold vomit that SPielman has served us. Certainly he is at least as good as Flacco, if not better. So, if you give him a great Defense (ours is darn good but not great) and a reasonable OL (or is NOT) he MIGHT be the man for the job.......


I mean Trent Dilfer won a SB. Rex Grossman went to a SB. Manning who was horrendous last year won one. If those guys can pull it off, I think Bradford could. Even Teddy for that matter

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chicagopurple wrote:
thats like saying your run of the mill average student is "amazing" because he got a few A's in basic courses......Bradford is a good quarterback with clear limitations. Right now, saying ANYONE on our team is "amazing" this year is just trying to put lipstick on a pig. NOTHING about this team is amazing except the utter failures of Spielman and our OL.


What limitations does the guy have other than not being able to scramble? His deep balls have been on the money. The other throws are clearly good given his completion percentage. I think you aren't a fan of "Sam Bradford" because you're too worried about assessing his past instead of assessing this year.

Outside of scrambling, he doesn't have many limitations at all.


I agree, but you have to add one more problem area this season: atrocious efficiency in the red zone. Not all his fault, but still.

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Based on his play this year, I'd take Bradford over Flacco every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Yes, I know Flacco has a ring. But let's not forget, the man was one botched coverage against 7 DBs and not one, but two special teams touchdowns from an unceremonious first-round exit. It may have been the luckiest win in playoff history. Since that season, Flacco has done next to nothing with his $100+ million contract.

My feeling is that with his arm and accuracy, coupled with our receiving talent, Bradford needs two things to excel.
1. Something remotely resembling an offensive line.
2. Some consistency in who his coordinator is -- something he's never had.

No. 2 is easy. Keep Shurmur. The first one might take a miracle, given where we're starting from.


I know I keep saying this but as a fan, I'm still smarting over how terrible the offensive line has been. It's affected all of the skill players, including Bradford. My biggest fear is it might take several seasons to correct something that should and could have been dealt with before this season.


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we have two receivers on the brink of 1,000 yards i'd stay bradford did one hell of a job considering the circumstances this year. nobody can play behind a line like that. with that said, we have a lot of holes to fill this off season on offense. we basically need an entire line and who will be our rb? you have to keep in mind, bradford put up better numbers than bridgewater did last year and he had a 1,500 yard season from peterson. our running game was non-existent this year; dead last i believe last i read. how much can you expect out of such a disaster of an offensive scheme and line?


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IF I was Bradford, or any other QB who was marketable. I would avoid Minnesota like the plague....the OL is atrocious and the GM shows no ability or interest in aggressively fixing our line. The RB position is not great either. If Spielman doesnt fix this Bradford will elave as soon as his contract is up.


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I'll go along with Zimmer about Bradford playing well for the Vikings. Bradford has had to dodge a lot negative dynamics with this current offense, so I don't blame him for its futility or the the team's slide from 5-0 to where it is now.

That said, I'm hoping Zimmer doesn't just anoint Bradford as the starting QB. I still want Bradford to compete with a "healthy" (if possible) Bridgewater during the next preseason to firmly establish which guy should be playing. Whoever gets the starting spot shouldn't have to be looking over his shoulder during the games.


But what do you do with Teddy's 5th year option? How do you pick up a $10+mil bill in March when A) You don't know when he'll be ready to play and B) If he's your long term answer?

And if you don't pick it up there won't be any competition because by then Bradford is already guaranteed $17 mil.

I think they have to let Teddy walk and the sooner the better for all concerned. Those who want Teddy to be the #1 over Sam will soon find out that his market will be very, very small and before you say "yeah because he's coming off the injury..." I would remind you that coming off 2 ACL's the Rams got a boat load from Philly and Philly got a 1 & 3 from MN. Teddy would be lucky to bring back a 3rd or 4th round pick. Just being honest here and Sam does not need competition to play his best, he had none this year and was very good. Fix the darn OL, bring in a young back and this offense is ready to rock....dare I say what could be IF Treadwell ever gets up to speed?


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I'll go along with Zimmer about Bradford playing well for the Vikings. Bradford has had to dodge a lot negative dynamics with this current offense, so I don't blame him for its futility or the the team's slide from 5-0 to where it is now.

That said, I'm hoping Zimmer doesn't just anoint Bradford as the starting QB. I still want Bradford to compete with a "healthy" (if possible) Bridgewater during the next preseason to firmly establish which guy should be playing. Whoever gets the starting spot shouldn't have to be looking over his shoulder during the games.


But what do you do with Teddy's 5th year option? How do you pick up a $10+mil bill in March when A) You don't know when he'll be ready to play and B) If he's your long term answer?

And if you don't pick it up there won't be any competition because by then Bradford is already guaranteed $17 mil.

I think they have to let Teddy walk and the sooner the better for all concerned. Those who want Teddy to be the #1 over Sam will soon find out that his market will be very, very small and before you say "yeah because he's coming off the injury..." I would remind you that coming off 2 ACL's the Rams got a boat load from Philly and Philly got a 1 & 3 from MN. Teddy would be lucky to bring back a 3rd or 4th round pick. Just being honest here and Sam does not need competition to play his best, he had none this year and was very good. Fix the darn OL, bring in a young back and this offense is ready to rock....dare I say what could be IF Treadwell ever gets up to speed?


Isn't next year only Teddy's 4th year?

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Yes , next year is his fourth season,I hope he will be able to compete in training camp, but I have my doubts.


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chicagopurple wrote:
thats like saying your run of the mill average student is "amazing" because he got a few A's in basic courses......Bradford is a good quarterback with clear limitations. Right now, saying ANYONE on our team is "amazing" this year is just trying to put lipstick on a pig. NOTHING about this team is amazing except the utter failures of Spielman and our OL.


What limitations does the guy have other than not being able to scramble? His deep balls have been on the money. The other throws are clearly good given his completion percentage. I think you aren't a fan of "Sam Bradford" because you're too worried about assessing his past instead of assessing this year.

Outside of scrambling, he doesn't have many limitations at all.


I agree, but you have to add one more problem area this season: atrocious efficiency in the red zone. Not all his fault, but still.


This stat goes hand-in-hand with ZERO run game.

How effective do you think the Cowboys would be in the red-zone even WITH Dez at wr if they had to pass it every single red zone play? Not very...

Fix the OL, bring in a young back and the sky is the limit with Sam and this offense, this TEAM for that matter.


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I'll go along with Zimmer about Bradford playing well for the Vikings. Bradford has had to dodge a lot negative dynamics with this current offense, so I don't blame him for its futility or the the team's slide from 5-0 to where it is now.

That said, I'm hoping Zimmer doesn't just anoint Bradford as the starting QB. I still want Bradford to compete with a "healthy" (if possible) Bridgewater during the next preseason to firmly establish which guy should be playing. Whoever gets the starting spot shouldn't have to be looking over his shoulder during the games.


But what do you do with Teddy's 5th year option? How do you pick up a $10+mil bill in March when A) You don't know when he'll be ready to play and B) If he's your long term answer?

And if you don't pick it up there won't be any competition because by then Bradford is already guaranteed $17 mil.

I think they have to let Teddy walk and the sooner the better for all concerned. Those who want Teddy to be the #1 over Sam will soon find out that his market will be very, very small and before you say "yeah because he's coming off the injury..." I would remind you that coming off 2 ACL's the Rams got a boat load from Philly and Philly got a 1 & 3 from MN. Teddy would be lucky to bring back a 3rd or 4th round pick. Just being honest here and Sam does not need competition to play his best, he had none this year and was very good. Fix the darn OL, bring in a young back and this offense is ready to rock....dare I say what could be IF Treadwell ever gets up to speed?


Isn't next year only Teddy's 4th year?


Yes but when his 4th year starts (March of 2017) you must "declare" if you are then going to pick up his FIFTH YEAR option.

I can't see how the Vikings possibly pick up Teddy's option.


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we have two receivers on the brink of 1,000 yards i'd stay bradford did one hell of a job considering the circumstances this year. nobody can play behind a line like that. with that said, we have a lot of holes to fill this off season on offense. we basically need an entire line and who will be our rb? you have to keep in mind, bradford put up better numbers than bridgewater did last year and he had a 1,500 yard season from peterson. our running game was non-existent this year; dead last i believe last i read. how much can you expect out of such a disaster of an offensive scheme and line?


Could you imagine Bradford with Diggs, Thielen and Rudolph if he had the 2015 version of AP in the back field?

As it stands now there is zero play-action ability so almost everything accomplished is done so from the gun with no threat of the pass.

My goodness...when I think of how good this offense could be...

Think of all the deep balls to Thielen and Diggs this year? I mean Bradford has hardly missed on ANY open opportunites and even the tight coverage ones (Johnson in CAR, Thielen and Johnson v Dallas) the ball was right where it had to be.

Honestly the only "open" deep ball I can recall Sam missing all year was "just" off Diggs fingers in Chicago.


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My feeling is that with his arm and accuracy, coupled with our receiving talent, Bradford needs two things to excel.
1. Something remotely resembling an offensive line.
2. Some consistency in who his coordinator is -- something he's never had.


Hard to say it's something he's never had when Shurmur was his OC in St. Louis in 2010 and last year in Philadelphia.

You're kidding, right?

Sam Bradford has had a change of offensive coordinator seven times in his NFL career. He had three different OCs in his first three years in the league (Pat Shurmur, Josh McDaniels, Brian Schottenheimer -- about as different in philosophy as you can get). This year alone, he played for three different OCs (Frank Reich, Norv Turner, Pat Shurmur).

Just because he's played for Shurmur 3 times doesn't mean he's had consistency.

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IF I was Bradford, or any other QB who was marketable. I would avoid Minnesota like the plague....the OL is atrocious and the GM shows no ability or interest in aggressively fixing our line. The RB position is not great either. If Spielman doesnt fix this Bradford will elave as soon as his contract is up.


I don't agree with that whatsoever and no player is going to look at it like that. It was the clear problem with this team this year. If it's not addressed this offseason, I have no problem eating crow. I put it in perspective in my mock and it is very doable. Especially if we let go AP.

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chicagopurple wrote:
IF I was Bradford, or any other QB who was marketable. I would avoid Minnesota like the plague....the OL is atrocious and the GM shows no ability or interest in aggressively fixing our line. The RB position is not great either. If Spielman doesnt fix this Bradford will elave as soon as his contract is up.


I don't agree with that whatsoever and no player is going to look at it like that. It was the clear problem with this team this year. If it's not addressed this offseason, I have no problem eating crow. I put it in perspective in my mock and it is very doable. Especially if we let go AP.

Not to mention ... we've got one of the best stadiums in the world. And despite our dissatisfaction with Mike Zimmer this season, he's still regarded by tons of players as somebody you'd want to play for.

We've got a lot going for us, despite the stench of the past 10 games.

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This stat goes hand-in-hand with ZERO run game.

How effective do you think the Cowboys would be in the red-zone even WITH Dez at wr if they had to pass it every single red zone play? Not very...

Fix the OL, bring in a young back and the sky is the limit with Sam and this offense, this TEAM for that matter.


Agree 100%

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Yes but when his 4th year starts (March of 2017) you must "declare" if you are then going to pick up his FIFTH YEAR option.

I can't see how the Vikings possibly pick up Teddy's option.


I wonder if there is some kind of injury clause that could be enacted? That is a LOT of money to pay someone who you don't know if they will even play again.

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My feeling is that with his arm and accuracy, coupled with our receiving talent, Bradford needs two things to excel.
1. Something remotely resembling an offensive line.
2. Some consistency in who his coordinator is -- something he's never had.


Hard to say it's something he's never had when Shurmur was his OC in St. Louis in 2010 and last year in Philadelphia.

Bradfords OC.

Rams.
Year 1 Shurmer
Year 2. Daniels.
Year 3. Schottenhiemer
Year 4. Schottenhieber
2014. did not play

Eagles Shurmer

Vikings Turner/Shurmer.

Yup, consistency in an OC at it's finest.

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Purple Reign wrote:
J. Kapp 11 wrote:
My feeling is that with his arm and accuracy, coupled with our receiving talent, Bradford needs two things to excel.
1. Something remotely resembling an offensive line.
2. Some consistency in who his coordinator is -- something he's never had.


Hard to say it's something he's never had when Shurmur was his OC in St. Louis in 2010 and last year in Philadelphia.

Bradfords OC.

Rams.
Year 1 Shurmer
Year 2. Daniels.
Year 3. Schottenhiemer
Year 4. Schottenhieber
2014. did not play

Eagles Shurmer

Vikings Turner/Shurmer.

Yup, consistency in an OC at it's finest.

Don't forget Frank Reich this year all through training camp and preseason.

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