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I'd like to see a major shift in offensive philosophy from the team.


Yes. I'd like to see our offensive philosophy shift from defense to offense. :wallbang:


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Brad Childress for OC.


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Brad Childress for OC.


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Team are now all locked in for 2017 season:

Home Games:
Bears, Lions, Packers, Saints, Bucs, Ravens, Bengals, RAMS

Away Games:
Bears, Lions, Packers, Falcons, Panthers, Browns (<in London), Steelers, REDSKINS


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I'm interested in who we will look at and sign for our Offensive Coordinator.


I'm guessing they will just keep Shurmur. :(


Call me crazy, but I wouldn't mind seeing what Shurmur can do with an actual NFL offensive line. He was given a pile of you know what, and at least he tried to be creative to mask the brutal weaknesses of the OL. I agree it was it was maddening watching this offense, but it's hard for me to hold Shurmur accountable given the situation. I thought he did a good job of getting Bradford prepared, and trying to adapt the offense around it's obvious deficiencies. I think he deserves the chance to be the OC for the entire training camp with an actual OL (problem is, I'm not sure it's possible to turn this into an actual NFL OL in 1 offseason :( )

Unlike Norv, who just continued to run 7 step drops despite not having an OL that could protect for a 2 step drop.

I am glad Turner is gone. Overrated, made his name with an entire offense of future HOFers in Dallas, and was far too stubborn to adapt his offense to his players' talents.


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fiestavike wrote:
Brad Childress for OC.


Tice!!!


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I'm interested in who we will look at and sign for our Offensive Coordinator.


I'm guessing they will just keep Shurmur. :(


Call me crazy, but I wouldn't mind seeing what Shurmur can do with an actual NFL offensive line. He was given a pile of you know what, and at least he tried to be creative to mask the brutal weaknesses of the OL. I agree it was it was maddening watching this offense, but it's hard for me to hold Shurmur accountable given the situation. I thought he did a good job of getting Bradford prepared, and trying to adapt the offense around it's obvious deficiencies. I think he deserves the chance to be the OC for the entire training camp with an actual OL (problem is, I'm not sure it's possible to turn this into an actual NFL OL in 1 offseason :(



I honestly don't care that much since my guess is the entire staff will be gone in a year or two anyway. I think Shurmur's more of a "dink and dunk" play caller and that's not the approach I really like on offense but if they give him a chance, I'll hope for the best.


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fiestavike wrote:
Brad Childress for OC.


Tice!!!


:smilevike: (Still one of the best OL coaches we've ever had IMHO)

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Team are now all locked in for 2017 season:

Home Games:
Bears, Lions, Packers, Saints, Bucs, Ravens, Bengals, RAMS

Away Games:
Bears, Lions, Packers, Falcons, Panthers, Browns (<in London), Steelers, REDSKINS


Not a bad schedule. Falcons and Steelers on the road will likely be tough games.


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Just Me wrote:
VikingPaul73 wrote:
fiestavike wrote:
Brad Childress for OC.


Tice!!!


:smilevike: (Still one of the best OL coaches we've ever had IMHO)



I agree. I don't think he was a bad head coach either. He had just one losing season during an era where the owner was literally stripping the team of assets. Few head coaches have had less overall support from an organization. I still feel the Wilfs made a hasty decision letting him go.


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The Wilf's had their own learning curve to go through...

That being said, Tice would have never succeeded here in 2006 IMO. He basically came in as an extension of Dennis Green.

It is telling that in the 10 years since he hasn't been hired as HC again. Maybe he doesn't want to? Or maybe he isn't up to NFL snuff for that position? I don't know.

I didn't realize this until recently, but both Shurmer and Brad Childress are close members of the Andy Reid coaching tree. Shurmer hired Childress as his OC when he was HC of the Browns. Shurmer was OC of Philly in a 2nd stint under Chip Kelly. He was almost hired to replace Kelly before losing the Chief's OC, Doug Pedersen. Childress is now the Chief's OC and Shurmer came here.

It is worth noting that Shurmer has had a lot of success coaching QBs as well having offenses that are able to limit turnovers. He also helped develop a probowl TE at Philly as well as serving as their OL coach. These are attributes that fit a defensive minded team and mirror the formula KC has used successfully this season with it's defense and Alex Smith.

They say that in the NFL as a new HC you cannot always hire the guy you want since he is under contract. Perhaps Shurmer was the guy Zimmer wanted? I know we've talked about that before and it is obvious that hiring Shurmer with his resume as a TE coach was never going to be permanent.

Maybe the next OC is already here? Not sure if I like that or not. Not sure I hate it either...

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The Wilf's had their own learning curve to go through...

That being said, Tice would have never succeeded here in 2006 IMO. He basically came in as an extension of Dennis Green.

It is telling that in the 10 years since he hasn't been hired as HC again. Maybe he doesn't want to? Or maybe he isn't up to NFL snuff for that position? I don't know.


I think the "Love boat" and the ticket scandal probably submarined his chances of being a head coach again.


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Can we ask for no bye-week in 2017? It does not seem to help us in any way.

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unless Spielman pull his head out of his #### and admits that he has virtually NO Ol talent, then drafts and trades like a madman for Ol talent, 2017 will just be another crappy year for Viking Fans.......it couldn't be any clearer.


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Mothman wrote:
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The Wilf's had their own learning curve to go through...

That being said, Tice would have never succeeded here in 2006 IMO. He basically came in as an extension of Dennis Green.

It is telling that in the 10 years since he hasn't been hired as HC again. Maybe he doesn't want to? Or maybe he isn't up to NFL snuff for that position? I don't know.


I think the "Love boat" and the ticket scandal probably submarined his chances of being a head coach again.


Hard to say how 2006 would have looked with Tice on board. Probably no Steve Hutchinson. Culpepper would have stayed on board as the QB though. It would have been interesting for sure.

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unless Spielman pull his head out of his #### and admits that he has virtually NO Ol talent, then drafts and trades like a madman for Ol talent, 2017 will just be another crappy year for Viking Fans.......it couldn't be any clearer.

That's how I feel. We have receiver talent, QB talent, RB talent, TE talent. What we need is an Oline.

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Brad Childress for OC.


Retaining Shurmur as OC might be almost the same thing. I wonder how many Vikes fans realize that.


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Mothman wrote:
fiestavike wrote:
Brad Childress for OC.


Retaining Shurmur as OC might be almost the same thing. I wonder how many Vikes fans realize that.


I am a simple man: I miss the ole Check-Down Childress and draw plays on 3rd and long.

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unless Spielman pull his head out of his #### and admits that he has virtually NO Ol talent, then drafts and trades like a madman for Ol talent, 2017 will just be another crappy year for Viking Fans.......it couldn't be any clearer.


If he pulls his head out, he needs to look at the team. If he acts stupid and focuses on the offensive line, there's going to be issues at other positions going forward. Drafting and trading like a mad man for offensive line isn't going to make this a competitive team year in and year out. It might make it look better for the next year or two. But after that? Even if a team focuses on the OL with every dollar and pick they have there's no guarantee the offensive line is "done", especially after one offseason.

They need to start with a competent offensive coach. Shurmur and Norv both had more questions than answers in their resumes. With top 3 offensive talent they would both produce. With top 10 Norv likely would, Shurmur? I'd question it. Below that? I don't think either of them would be capable of fielding a productive offense game in and game out.


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Mothman wrote:
fiestavike wrote:
Brad Childress for OC.


Retaining Shurmur as OC might be almost the same thing. I wonder how many Vikes fans realize that.

I do. But I don't know what other realistic options there are.

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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
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Vikings Free Agents:
Matt Kalil
Captain Munnerlyn
Andre Smith
Shaun Hill
Chad Greenway
Terence Newman
Cordarrelle Patterson
Zach Line
Jake Long
Matt Asiata
Audie Cole
Justin Trattou
Jeff Locke


I'm hoping Vikings re-sign Munnerlyn, Patterson, Asiata, and Locke. I'm fine if they re-sign a couple others. But aside from that, the Vikings need to spend their money and time on rebuilding the offensive line.


An absolute no when it comes to Locke. One of those tackles need to be resigned IMO too. I would take Line and Cole back too

I also have a mock offseason partially typed up. Will probably get it on here sometime this week


Agree and I would re-sign Kalil. Smith is a turd. If Munnerlyn/Newman aren't retiring I'd take one back on the cheap, otherwise I'll re-sign Patterson and move on from everyone else on this FA list though Greenway is by most accounts retiring, if not I'd take him back at vet minimum too.


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I'm interested in who we will look at and sign for our Offensive Coordinator.


Yeah, Bradford's due for a OC change....


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PurpleMustReign wrote:
Mothman wrote:
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Brad Childress for OC.


Retaining Shurmur as OC might be almost the same thing. I wonder how many Vikes fans realize that.


I do. But I don't know what other realistic options there are.


I see the connection but agree with PMR about the lack of realistic options.

Not only that, one has to wonder who would make the change. Would Zimmer fire Shurmur at this point? I don't know. Would Ziggy insist Zimmer make the change? I don't know that one either.

Would a winning team with a quality offensive line offer Shurmur an OC job? Umm...no.


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I do. But I don't know what other realistic options there are.


I see the connection but agree with PMR about the lack of realistic options.


I think there are always options among current NFL assistants and in the college coaching ranks. There will also be NFL OCs out of work after this season after teams make head coaching changes. I don't think they are stuck with Shurmur due to a lack of alternatives.

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Not only that, one has to wonder who would make the change. Would Zimmer fire Shurmur at this point? I don't know. Would Ziggy insist Zimmer make the change? I don't know that one either.


Now that's obviously a different story and I fully expect the Vikings to take the path of least resistance and offer Shurmur the job.

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Would a winning team with a quality offensive line offer Shurmur an OC job? Umm...no.


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Now that's obviously a different story and I fully expect the Vikings to take the path of least resistance and offer Shurmur the job.


But that's one of the big reasons why I see a lack of options. For Shurmur to leave, he'd practically have to quit. I don't see that happening.

Aside from that, I'm not sure either Zimmer or Ziggy would insist on a change at this point.


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But that's one of the big reasons why I see a lack of options. For Shurmur to leave, he'd practically have to quit. I don't see that happening.


I see. It sounds like we agree that the Vikes will probably just keep Shurmur.

If they do, I sure hope we see significant improvement.


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It doesn't really matter who the OC is if he has a huge talent deficit in the O line , he won't have time to have any medium to deep pass routes or push to sustain a running game.


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It doesn't really matter who the OC is if he has a huge talent deficit in the O line , he won't have time to have any medium to deep pass routes or push to sustain a running game.


No doubt. The OL has to improve for any of the skill players to play their best football.

Even so, Shurmur plays a lot of small ball and I'm not convinced he won't stay with it regardless what the blocking is like.

Thing is, I just don't like it as an offensive philosophy. I think that's what Moth is saying as well.


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It doesn't really matter who the OC is if he has a huge talent deficit in the O line , he won't have time to have any medium to deep pass routes or push to sustain a running game.


No doubt. The OL has to improve for any of the skill players to play their best football.

Even so, Shurmur plays a lot of small ball and I'm not convinced he won't stay with it regardless what the blocking is like.

Thing is, I just don't like it as an offensive philosophy. I think that's what Moth is saying as well.


That's exactly what I'm saying.


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I think the team should spend some time on resigning or restructuring some of their fans. I'm in the final year of my contract and elsewhere is starting to look pretty good.


:lol:

I want a restructured "fantract" and a signing bonus!



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