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Pick apart my posts all you want, but if anyone is worried about this defense going forward then I will sit here and continue to disagree. This offense/Lockes punting put them in terrible positions how many times today?? Those aren't excuses Jim. Those are facts. And those facts let this game get way out of hand


They're excuses for a defense that's allowed far too many points the last 2 weeks and had far too many lapses and breakdowns since the bye week. You love describing the Vikings defense as "elite". Elite defenses tend to step up and dominate when they're needed, not fold just because they were put in a bad position.

The defense has been increasingly problematic in the latter half of the season and because this team's main focus has been to build strong defense and lean on it, when that unit fails to deliver it's a big problem indeed.


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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/12/24/vikings-dbs-defied-zimmer-ignored-plan-for-covering-jordy-nelson/

awesome.


Great. I really didn't want to believe there were locker room problems with zimmer but it sounds as if there may be. And Newman has always been one of zimmer's biggest cheerleaders. Not good, not good.


Not good at all. This Vikings team may have serious internal issues. :(


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Pick apart my posts all you want, but if anyone is worried about this defense going forward then I will sit here and continue to disagree. This offense/Lockes punting put them in terrible positions how many times today?? Those aren't excuses Jim. Those are facts. And those facts let this game get way out of hand


They're excuses for a defense that's allowed far too many points the last 2 weeks and had far too many lapses and breakdowns since the bye week. You love describing the Vikings defense as "elite". Elite defenses tend to step up and dominate when they're needed, not fold just because they were put in a bad position.

The defense has been increasingly problematic in the latter half of the season and because this team's main focus has been to build strong defense and lean on it, when that unit fails to deliver it's a big problem indeed.


They were playing like an elite defense prior to these games. It was in the stats. And like I said, which you decided to ignore, this offense and punter have put them in awful positions. When your offense turns it over twice in your own end PLUS your punter can't punt past the 50, they're constantly starting with great field position. You have to give up next to no yards as a defense in order to not get points scored on you. It's not an excuse when those are things that consistently happen and consistently hurt this team. Simple as that.

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Mothman wrote:
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/12/24/vikings-dbs-defied-zimmer-ignored-plan-for-covering-jordy-nelson/

awesome.


Great. I really didn't want to believe there were locker room problems with zimmer but it sounds as if there may be. And Newman has always been one of zimmer's biggest cheerleaders. Not good, not good.


Not good at all. This Vikings team may have serious internal issues. :(


I've been wondering about that lately. I really hope it's not the case. But something internal has to be going on, given the events leading up to the end of the season.


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Mothman wrote:
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/12/24/vikings-dbs-defied-zimmer-ignored-plan-for-covering-jordy-nelson/

awesome.


Great. I really didn't want to believe there were locker room problems with zimmer but it sounds as if there may be. And Newman has always been one of zimmer's biggest cheerleaders. Not good, not good.


Not good at all. This Vikings team may have serious internal issues. :(

WOW. This is not good at all. This doesn't happen to teams like the Patriots or Broncos. Or the Packers for that matter. If I am Zimmer I sit them all out next weekend. Thats terrible.
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Pick apart my posts all you want, but if anyone is worried about this defense going forward then I will sit here and continue to disagree. This offense/Lockes punting put them in terrible positions how many times today?? Those aren't excuses Jim. Those are facts. And those facts let this game get way out of hand


They're excuses for a defense that's allowed far too many points the last 2 weeks and had far too many lapses and breakdowns since the bye week. You love describing the Vikings defense as "elite". Elite defenses tend to step up and dominate when they're needed, not fold just because they were put in a bad position.

The defense has been increasingly problematic in the latter half of the season and because this team's main focus has been to build strong defense and lean on it, when that unit fails to deliver it's a big problem indeed.

Zmers defense has been exposed. I jave serious concerns in the coming years because i don't have much confidence that Zimmer can field even a competent defense.

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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
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Pick apart my posts all you want, but if anyone is worried about this defense going forward then I will sit here and continue to disagree. This offense/Lockes punting put them in terrible positions how many times today?? Those aren't excuses Jim. Those are facts. And those facts let this game get way out of hand


They're excuses for a defense that's allowed far too many points the last 2 weeks and had far too many lapses and breakdowns since the bye week. You love describing the Vikings defense as "elite". Elite defenses tend to step up and dominate when they're needed, not fold just because they were put in a bad position.

The defense has been increasingly problematic in the latter half of the season and because this team's main focus has been to build strong defense and lean on it, when that unit fails to deliver it's a big problem indeed.


They were playing like an elite defense prior to these games. It was in the stats. And like I said, which you decided to ignore, this offense and punter have put them in awful positions.


I didn't ignore it. The line I've highlighted above addressed it.

Pointing to a game or games in which they've played very well doesn't address the problem that not playing well in too many games represents.

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When your offense turns it over twice in your own end PLUS your punter can't punt past the 50, they're constantly starting with great field position. You have to give up next to no yards as a defense in order to not get points scored on you.


Boo hoo. Turnovers and good field position don't automatically mean TDs for the opposing team. Make a stop. Force a field goal.

If you want to point to earlier performances and a few tough situations as a means of letting the defense off the hook for a second straight bad performance, that's your prerogative but I'm not about to give them a pass. Upthread, you said stats are facts. Consider these stats:

72 points
759 yards

That's what the Vikings defense has allowed in the past 2 games... and it IS a problem.


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I really am shocked that the defensive secondary would disregard a gameplan. That just can't happen, at any level. Shows a blatant lack of respect for the man in charge. Zimmer must have done something really awful to lose the locker room in such a short period of time.


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I really am shocked that the defensive secondary would disregard a gameplan. That just can't happen, at any level. Shows a blatant lack of respect for the man in charge. Zimmer must have done something really awful to lose the locker room in such a short period of time.



I know what the heck is up. Did Zim sleep with a players wife or what??


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I really am shocked that the defensive secondary would disregard a gameplan. That just can't happen, at any level. Shows a blatant lack of respect for the man in charge. Zimmer must have done something really awful to lose the locker room in such a short period of time.



I know what the heck is up. Did Zim sleep with a players wife or what??


I don't know, wasn't there a report about him using stuffed animals as a motivational tool or something? I never got the "true" story about that but what I heard sounded weird. Something bizarre like that could have cost him his respect. Who knows, I certainly wasn't there.


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I really am shocked that the defensive secondary would disregard a gameplan. That just can't happen, at any level. Shows a blatant lack of respect for the man in charge. Zimmer must have done something really awful to lose the locker room in such a short period of time.


Yeah. Zimmer better bench the entire secondary for at least the next half of football. I wonder if the secondary even told the rest of the defense that they were going rogue? Such BS. It clearly showed that no one was on the same page for most of the game. I'm surprised Zimmer didn't explode on the sideline in the first quarter. His quote to Erin Andrews after half makes a lot more sense now!


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Boo hoo. Turnovers and good field position don't automatically mean TDs for the opposing team. Make a stop. Force a field goal.

If you want to point to earlier performances and a few tough situations as a means of letting the defense off the hook for a second straight bad performance, that's your prerogative but I'm not about to give them a pass. Upthread, you said stats are facts. Consider these stats:

72 points
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That's what the Vikings defense has allowed in the past 2 games... and it IS a problem.

Perspective

924 yards
52 points

That's what the Packers Defense has allowed the last 2 games. Against the Vikings and Bears. Teams with a back up QB and 2nd string offensive line.

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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
Pick apart my posts all you want, but if anyone is worried about this defense going forward then I will sit here and continue to disagree. This offense/Lockes punting put them in terrible positions how many times today?? Those aren't excuses Jim. Those are facts. And those facts let this game get way out of hand


They're excuses for a defense that's allowed far too many points the last 2 weeks and had far too many lapses and breakdowns since the bye week. You love describing the Vikings defense as "elite". Elite defenses tend to step up and dominate when they're needed, not fold just because they were put in a bad position.

The defense has been increasingly problematic in the latter half of the season and because this team's main focus has been to build strong defense and lean on it, when that unit fails to deliver it's a big problem indeed.

Zmers defense has been exposed. I jave serious concerns in the coming years because i don't have much confidence that Zimmer can field even a competent defense.

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I have said it before and i'll say it again. You can what if the hell out of everything, but i would be willing to bet my house that this is a 12 win team this year regardless of all the injuries, if you remove about 20 penalties. So many drive killing and drive extending costly penalties. Stupid ones, mainly on defense.

Like joseph last week. That is just one example. Way too many times this year they have gotten a defensive stop, commit a penalty on third down to extend a drive and then give up a touchdown. They had a few in the bears game. A few vs dallas. A ton vs philly. Pretty much every game this year they have given up points after a third down penalty. In order for the defense to ascend to elite status this needs to be fixed. They also need to get rid of sendejo and munnerlyn. They are downright garbage. Elite defenses don't have liabilities. I understand depth but when you have starters that should be backups, falling and taking bad angles game after game it becomes a problem.


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Boo hoo. Turnovers and good field position don't automatically mean TDs for the opposing team. Make a stop. Force a field goal.

If you want to point to earlier performances and a few tough situations as a means of letting the defense off the hook for a second straight bad performance, that's your prerogative but I'm not about to give them a pass. Upthread, you said stats are facts. Consider these stats:

72 points
759 yards

That's what the Vikings defense has allowed in the past 2 games... and it IS a problem.

Perspective

924 yards
52 points

That's what the Packers Defense has allowed the last 2 games. Against the Vikings and Bears. Teams with a back up QB and 2nd string offensive line.


Two of todays tds were garbage time against prevent D, aside from the last 10 minutes of last week when they inexplicably went prevent D with 11 minutes left the Packers D has been excellent the last 5 games.

Though curious, what does this have to do with the Vikes performance?

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I really am shocked that the defensive secondary would disregard a gameplan. That just can't happen, at any level. Shows a blatant lack of respect for the man in charge. Zimmer must have done something really awful to lose the locker room in such a short period of time.


Yeah. Zimmer better bench the entire secondary for at least the next half of football. I wonder if the secondary even told the rest of the defense that they were going rogue? Such BS. It clearly showed that no one was on the same page for most of the game. I'm surprised Zimmer didn't explode on the sideline in the first quarter. His quote to Erin Andrews after half makes a lot more sense now!


Don't see how that showed no one was on the same page. Just because the defense called a different coverage than what Zimmer wanted doesn't mean half the players were playing one kind of defense and the other half a different kind. They just weren't playing the defense that Zimmer wanted. But what is more troubling is why Zimmer let them get away with it for the whole first half.


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Two of todays tds were garbage time against prevent D, aside from the last 10 minutes of last week when they inexplicably went prevent D with 11 minutes left the Packers D has been excellent the last 5 games.


Lot of truth here but the Vikings did move the ball at will in the first half too, could have easily had 21 points or more had they finished a couple drives and had they used a pylon instead of Clemmings as a LT.

Packers D is not good. They will go as far as ARod takes them and right now that looks like it could be very far.


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Two of todays tds were garbage time against prevent D, aside from the last 10 minutes of last week when they inexplicably went prevent D with 11 minutes left the Packers D has been excellent the last 5 games.


Lot of truth here but the Vikings did move the ball at will in the first half too, could have easily had 21 points or more had they finished a couple drives and had they used a pylon instead of Clemmings as a LT.

Packers D is not good. They will go as far as ARod takes them and right now that looks like it could be very far.[/quote]

But, the last 5 weeks they have been good. They carried the team last year, and this year was good immediately before we lost our top 4 corners (amongst other injuries but these hurt the worst) and immediately after we got them back, is that supposed to be coincidental?

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But, the last 5 weeks they have been good. They carried the team last year, and this year was good immediately before we lost our top 4 corners (amongst other injuries but these hurt the worst) and immediately after we got them back, is that supposed to be coincidental?

Packers D has given up 924 against two teams that have been struggling in offense all year. If the Packer D continues like this expect a one and done in the playoffs if they make it.

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But, the last 5 weeks they have been good. They carried the team last year, and this year was good immediately before we lost our top 4 corners (amongst other injuries but these hurt the worst) and immediately after we got them back, is that supposed to be coincidental?

Packers D has given up 924 against two teams that have been struggling in offense all year. If the Packer D continues like this expect a one and done in the playoffs if they make it.


Again, as long as we dont inexplicably go into prevent with a quarter left as we did against the Bears (Who had only scored 10 prior to that) we will likely be fine.

Philly only had 13, Hou only had 13, Sea only had 10 and 7 of which was in garbage time against prevent D. Notice a recurring trend here? In the last 5 games, the Packers have given up 3, yes 3 TDs that didn't come against prevent D, with only the Bears points not being in "Garbage time" (But was still against prevent D).

The Vikings only really scored 13, two TDs were well into garbage time against prevent D. If you take away the points scored against prevent D in the last two games, the Packers D hasnt given up more then 13 points for 5 games.

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But, the last 5 weeks they have been good. They carried the team last year, and this year was good immediately before we lost our top 4 corners (amongst other injuries but these hurt the worst) and immediately after we got them back, is that supposed to be coincidental?

Packers D has given up 924 against two teams that have been struggling in offense all year. If the Packer D continues like this expect a one and done in the playoffs if they make it.


Again, as long as we dont inexplicably go into prevent with a quarter left as we did against the Bears (Who had only scored 10 prior to that) we will likely be fine.

Philly only had 13, Hou only had 13, Sea only had 10 and 7 of which was in garbage time against prevent D. Notice a recurring trend here? In the last 5 games, the Packers have given up 3, yes 3 TDs that didn't come against prevent D, with only the Bears points not being in "Garbage time".

The Vikings only really scored 13, two TDs were well into garbage time against prevent D. If you take away the points scored against prevent D in the last two games, the Packers D hasnt given up more then 13 points for 5 games.
The only thing that stopped the Viking in the first half was the Vikings. Mainly the offensive line. The Packers D had very little to do with it.

So, tell me what happened to the Packers offense in the second half? Prevent offense? I mean 283 net yards in the first half and 63 net yards in the second half?

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Jordysghost wrote:
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But, the last 5 weeks they have been good. They carried the team last year, and this year was good immediately before we lost our top 4 corners (amongst other injuries but these hurt the worst) and immediately after we got them back, is that supposed to be coincidental?

Packers D has given up 924 against two teams that have been struggling in offense all year. If the Packer D continues like this expect a one and done in the playoffs if they make it.


Again, as long as we dont inexplicably go into prevent with a quarter left as we did against the Bears (Who had only scored 10 prior to that) we will likely be fine.

Philly only had 13, Hou only had 13, Sea only had 10 and 7 of which was in garbage time against prevent D. Notice a recurring trend here? In the last 5 games, the Packers have given up 3, yes 3 TDs that didn't come against prevent D, with only the Bears points not being in "Garbage time".

The Vikings only really scored 13, two TDs were well into garbage time against prevent D. If you take away the points scored against prevent D in the last two games, the Packers D hasnt given up more then 13 points for 5 games.
The only thing that stopped the Viking in the first half was the Vikings. Mainly the offensive line. The Packers D had very little to do with it.

So, tell me what happened to the Packers offense in the second half? Prevent offense? I mean 283 net yards in the first half and 63 net yards in the second half?[/quote]

Uh no, the Vikes O was playing against the Packers D, your O line was getting beat by the Packers front 7, as they did in week 2. By your logic, you could say that about anything or anyone, you didnt beat the Packers week 2, the Packers beat themselves! :roll:

I think the Packers started trying to push the run game once we got a big lead as to protect our QB, even so, they managed to put up 10 second half points, pretty much the same thing that happened against the Seahawks.

If you intend to invoke concern about our O, your are really barking up the wrong tree, Packers O has been fantastic for the past 5 weeks, even better then the D.

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Uh no, the Vikes O was playing against the Packers D, your O line was getting beat by the Packers front 7, as they did in week 2. By your logic, you could say that about anything or anyone, you didnt beat the Packers week 2, the Packers beat themselves! :roll:

I think the Packers started trying to push the run game once we got a big lead as to protect our QB, even so, they managed to put up 10 second half points, pretty much the same thing that happened against the Seahawks.

If you intend to invoke concern about our O, your are really barking up the wrong tree, Packers O has been fantastic for the past 5 weeks, even better then the D.

The 30th worst offense in the league averaging 311 yards per game, 4.7 yards per play, put up 271 net yards and 8.7 yards per play in the first half. If you really think that's good defense, good for you. Or did the Packers defense start the game in prevent mode?

Nothing wrong with you offense. It's you defense that will keep you from winning in the playoffs.

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Uh no, the Vikes O was playing against the Packers D, your O line was getting beat by the Packers front 7, as they did in week 2. By your logic, you could say that about anything or anyone, you didnt beat the Packers week 2, the Packers beat themselves! :roll:

I think the Packers started trying to push the run game once we got a big lead as to protect our QB, even so, they managed to put up 10 second half points, pretty much the same thing that happened against the Seahawks.

If you intend to invoke concern about our O, your are really barking up the wrong tree, Packers O has been fantastic for the past 5 weeks, even better then the D.

The 30th worst offense in the league averaging 311 yards per game, 4.7 yards per play, put up 271 net yards and 8.7 yards per play in the first half. If you really think that's good defense, good for you. Or did the Packers defense start the game in prevent mode?

Nothing wrong with you offense. It's you defense that will keep you from winning in the playoffs.


Ok Raptorman, you want the Packers D to be playing poorly, I get it, really, but heres the thing. They havent been. Reality takes precedent over wishful thinking.

13, 13, 10, 27, 25. (Including scores against prevent D) 13, 7, 3, 10, 13 (Not including scores against prevent D)

Those are the Packers point totals the last 5 weeks, only 3 TDs occured not against prevent D, I dont know how I could possibly be clearer. Even if you want to fault the D for Capers silly prevent #### with a quarter left against the Bears, that would still make one lackluster performance out of the last 5. :confused:

The Packers werent playing prevent to start the game, is that why the Vikings only scored 13 prior to garbage time? Probably. Your very prudent question only proves my point.

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Boo hoo.


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Two bad games is exposed?


Exactly. Guys are looking to point fingers at anything possible right now and the defense is the least of our problems. I mean we have 2 bad defensive games and guys are "concerned for years to come" that Zimmer can't fix the defense. That's pretty laughable if you ask me

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Think zim would let them get tore up by jordy on purpose knowing they aren't following game plan?

The splits show the brainiacs in the secondary were extremely wrong to go against zimmer.

I don't see him losing the locker room. He Is one of the most respected coaches in the league by anyone that has played for him.


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I have said it before and i'll say it again. You can what if the hell out of everything, but i would be willing to bet my house that this is a 12 win team this year regardless of all the injuries, if you remove about 20 penalties. So many drive killing and drive extending costly penalties. Stupid ones, mainly on defense.


Even with the injuries, if anyone is going to sit here and say they STILL expected a lot out of this team after those injuries then I would truly question your knowledge of football. Add in the penalties and it makes it that much worse. With all we've lost, many teams in this league would win a max of about 5 games if it happened to them and we're still around a .500 team. But now Zimmers job should be on the line and all these other ridiculous overreactions I've seen on here the past 2 weeks

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Two bad games is exposed?


Exactly. Guys are looking to point fingers at anything possible right now and the defense is the least of our problems. I mean we have 2 bad defensive games and guys are "concerned for years to come" that Zimmer can't fix the defense. That's pretty laughable if you ask me


They were exposed in Philadelphia, more in Chicago, and Detroit sealed the deal. After the Philly game, the defense didn't look the same at all. They gave up 3rd down conversions that they hadn't for the first five weeks, they gave up red zone TDs that they didn't in the first five weeks, and they gave up long plays that they didn't in the first five weeks. The entire defense looked different after Philadelphia. I am not going to say "This is a fact" because the numbers are still good, but other than the Dallas and Jacksonville games, the defense was not stopping anyone. I said it before, and until I am proven otherwise, I am worried that Zimmer's defense was figured out because at one point it was so mind boggling a 10 point lead by the Vikings seemed insurmountable. These last couple of games against mediocre offenses are reminiscent of the Lesile Frasier days. I am very disappointed in the effort of the entire team, outside of Thielen, for the last few weeks. I have serious questions about Mike Zimmer now that I didn't have three months ago. You never see a Bill Bellicheck, Bill Cowher, or even a Mike McCarthy coached team perform with this much disinterest.

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They were exposed in Philadelphia, more in Chicago, and Detroit sealed the deal. After the Philly game, the defense didn't look the same at all. They gave up 3rd down conversions that they hadn't for the first five weeks, they gave up red zone TDs that they didn't in the first five weeks, and they gave up long plays that they didn't in the first five weeks. The entire defense looked different after Philadelphia. I am not going to say "This is a fact" because the numbers are still good, but other than the Dallas and Jacksonville games, the defense was not stopping anyone. I said it before, and until I am proven otherwise, I am worried that Zimmer's defense was figured out because at one point it was so mind boggling a 10 point lead by the Vikings seemed insurmountable. These last couple of games against mediocre offenses are reminiscent of the Lesile Frasier days. I am very disappointed in the effort of the entire team, outside of Thielen, for the last few weeks. I have serious questions about Mike Zimmer now that I didn't have three months ago. You never see a Bill Bellicheck, Bill Cowher, or even a Mike McCarthy coached team perform with this much disinterest.


Dude what are you even talking about? We turned Philadelphia over 4 times, held Wentz to 138 yards passing and they had no running game. Now our defense was exposed that game?? That makes zero sense man. As for the first Detroit game, they had Stafford held under 200 yards passing until over time. So they were "exposed" in overtime?? Because they werent the rest of that game. As for the second Detroit game, we held them to 16 points. Not sure how much more you want when you're only allowing 16 points. But either way, thats not considered being "exposed". The Bears game was just an overall poor performance by the entire team. So all in all, I'm not really sure where you are going with this.

Also, as for Mike McCarthy, his defense looked like an absolute dumpster fire when they had guys go down on that side of the ball. They lost like 4 games straight. So yeah, I would guess they were performing with "disinterest"

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