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This team was close, panicked after an injury and has blown the whole thing up with short-sighted thinking and desperation. What a disgrace this franchise is.


Disagree 100%. I've said this before when the Bradford trade happened. It was a smart move because if Teddy isnt back ready for week 1 or ever ready, we have a QB in place next year and possibly longer. If we dont make that trade, we have Taylor Heinecke and would have to make a move for someone. Hill is a FA. And this is a very weak QB class. Our only healthy QB next year would be Heinecke if that was the case. But yeah lets NOT trade for Bradford, have zero chance at doing anything this year and go into next year with Taylor Heinecke as the only healthy QB on our roster. Sounds like a great plan. But yeah I guess this franchise is just a disgrace. :whistle:

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The effort yesterday of the entire defense was just horrible. I never though I'd see a Zimmer-coached team play with such little passion. They got embarrassed.


You nailed it. The lack of passion and commitment was shocking.

What the hell happened? There must be some strange goings on behind the scenes. And yes, I know about the injuries. I also know the Vikings have played better earlier in the season, even during some of their losses.

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Aquiring Bradford probably saved you from having 4 wins at this point. If your talking long term ramifications of the trade then maybe i understand, though he certainly didnt hurt 2016.


I completely agree. Acquiring Bradford was a necessity and helped salvage what could have been a season with more losses. What we're seeing from the Vikings right now is an across the board meltdown. I think the last game proved it.


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I think the Defense came out flat-footed in the first two series. They obviously under-estimated the Colts. Once Indy went up by 17, and AP fumbled they mentally broke down and went into the tank. Game Over.

This game was, in my opinion, an exclamation point on many of the recent woes for the Vikings. The Defense finally broke under the weight of carrying the water for an offense with literally zero margin for error. It was very Vikings appropriate that this happened at home in a must win game to go to the playoffs.

Over committing to Adrian Petersen by one OC after another, with no realized tangible benefit in the Zimmer era, reached it's crescendo with that red zone fumble. I'd like to think we've seen the last of that predictable style of play calling, but I fear that so long as #28 wears purple that will not be the case. That crap literally made a bad offense worse yesterday and frankly, the Coaches, especially an experienced staff like we supposedly have, should have known better. Last week they were building an identity for themselves and this week they threw it away in effort of putting all the eggs in the AP basket. It is mind boggling.


Peterson touched the ball on just 7 of 56 offensive plays (roughly 13%). How does that relatively low percentage of touches represented an overcommitment to him by the Vikings? If I recall correctly, he was never even given the ball on back-to-back plays.

The Vikes only ran the ball 9 times all day. They threw it 42 times and Bradford was sacked 4 or 5 times so they attempted to throw it even more than that. Overcommitment to Peterson (or the running game) was not the team's problem on Sunday. Is the identity they're supposedly building supposed to involve never running the ball at all? They had a 5:1 pass/run ratio. That's not enough passing?


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Moth, look at his % in the opening series. The overall stats are indicative of a game where they were down 24-0 at Halftime. How they got there is the source of my angst.

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Moth, look at his % in the opening series. The overall stats are indicative of a game where they were down 24-0 at Halftime. How they got there is the source of my angst.


Exactly. They were down 17-0 before they knew it. So we were out of running mode by then regardless. There was no need to keep him in there any longer

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Moth, look at his % in the opening series. The overall stats are indicative of a game where they were down 24-0 at Halftime. How they got there is the source of my angst.


He touched the ball on 2 of 3 plays on the opening series, one of which was a pass. The only time he touched the ball more than once on a series after that was during the third quarter drive that ended with the Bradford fumble. He had 2 carries for 6 yards on that possession and they weren't back-to-back.

They didn't arrive at that huge halftime deficit because they tried to pound Peterson into the line excessively or put all their eggs in the AP basket. I just don't see how a narrative of overcommitment to him in the game holds up under scrutiny unless giving him the ball at all is overcommitting to him (which seems to be where a lot of Vikes fans are at this stage).


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The best team to have made to playoffs (IMHO) WAS 98 JUST TO HAVE ANOTHER BAD COACHING DECISION TO COST THEM BIG TIME.


And what 'bad coaching decision' cost them the game? I assume you are talking about taking a knee at the end of regulation. In case you have forgotten, being aggressive at the end of the first half of that game didn't work out so well. Leading 20-7, the Vikings took possession at their 18-yard line with 1:17 to play before halftime. Two incompletions brought up third-and-10 and Cunningham got sacked and fumbled. The Falcons recovered the ball and scored a touchdown on the next play.

Taking a knee was not a bad coaching decision at that point, especially based on what happened earlier, and it definitely didn't cost us the game. It may have eliminated any chance of winning the game in regulation, but it definitely didn't cost us the game.

If you aren't talking about taking a knee, please inform us what coaching decision you are referring to.

WHAT DO YOU THINK COST THEM THAT GAME?? BESIDES MISSING A 39 YARDER.


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The effort yesterday of the entire defense was just horrible. I never though I'd see a Zimmer-coached team play with such little passion. They got embarrassed.


You nailed it. The lack of passion and commitment was shocking.

What the hell happened? There must be some strange goings on behind the scenes. And yes, I know about the injuries. I also know the Vikings have played better earlier in the season, even during some of their losses.

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Aquiring Bradford probably saved you from having 4 wins at this point. If your talking long term ramifications of the trade then maybe i understand, though he certainly didnt hurt 2016.


I completely agree. Acquiring Bradford was a necessity and helped salvage what could have been a season with more losses. What we're seeing from the Vikings right now is an across the board meltdown. I think the last game proved it.
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The best team to have made to playoffs (IMHO) WAS 98 JUST TO HAVE ANOTHER BAD COACHING DECISION TO COST THEM BIG TIME.
or the fact that this team isn't really that good on both sides of the ball.they've been horrible against the pass

And what 'bad coaching decision' cost them the game? I assume you are talking about taking a knee at the end of regulation. In case you have forgotten, being aggressive at the end of the first half of that game didn't work out so well. Leading 20-7, the Vikings took possession at their 18-yard line with 1:17 to play before halftime. Two incompletions brought up third-and-10 and Cunningham got sacked and fumbled. The Falcons recovered the ball and scored a touchdown on the next play.

Taking a knee was not a bad coaching decision at that point, especially based on what happened earlier, and it definitely didn't cost us the game. It may have eliminated any chance of winning the game in regulation, but it definitely didn't cost us the game.

If you aren't talking about taking a knee, please inform us what coaching decision you are referring to.

do you guys really think this team is better than a 500 team??? no f*&^%$#@! way


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Moth, look at his % in the opening series. The overall stats are indicative of a game where they were down 24-0 at Halftime. How they got there is the source of my angst.


Exactly. They were down 17-0 before they knew it. So we were out of running mode by then regardless. There was no need to keep him in there any longer

what running game???


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magster wrote:
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The best team to have made to playoffs (IMHO) WAS 98 JUST TO HAVE ANOTHER BAD COACHING DECISION TO COST THEM BIG TIME.


And what 'bad coaching decision' cost them the game? I assume you are talking about taking a knee at the end of regulation. In case you have forgotten, being aggressive at the end of the first half of that game didn't work out so well. Leading 20-7, the Vikings took possession at their 18-yard line with 1:17 to play before halftime. Two incompletions brought up third-and-10 and Cunningham got sacked and fumbled. The Falcons recovered the ball and scored a touchdown on the next play.

Taking a knee was not a bad coaching decision at that point, especially based on what happened earlier, and it definitely didn't cost us the game. It may have eliminated any chance of winning the game in regulation, but it definitely didn't cost us the game.

If you aren't talking about taking a knee, please inform us what coaching decision you are referring to.

WHAT DO YOU THINK COST THEM THAT GAME?? BESIDES MISSING A 39 YARDER.
and besides taking a knee would have won them the game...if you remember correctly if the rest of the game goes the way it did the win...so yes that was a very bad decision on green...any good coach runs the clock out....called clock management. i'll take a 20-7 lead into half time anyday


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fiestavike wrote:
This team was close, panicked after an injury and has blown the whole thing up with short-sighted thinking and desperation. What a disgrace this franchise is.


Disagree 100%. I've said this before when the Bradford trade happened. It was a smart move because if Teddy isnt back ready for week 1 or ever ready, we have a QB in place next year and possibly longer. If we dont make that trade, we have Taylor Heinecke and would have to make a move for someone. Hill is a FA. And this is a very weak QB class. Our only healthy QB next year would be Heinecke if that was the case. But yeah lets NOT trade for Bradford, have zero chance at doing anything this year and go into next year with Taylor Heinecke as the only healthy QB on our roster. Sounds like a great plan. But yeah I guess this franchise is just a disgrace. :whistle:
smart because shaun hill stinks??so does bradford. the worst pocket presence for a QB I've seen in years.If they even have a pocket.granted they had loses at the O line,but this trade was bonehead. they dont again make playoffs give away draft picks,for what...look at the hershel walker trade....the worst in NFL history...typical Minnesota doings.they had great coaches,Dungy,bilick,leave this organization and succeed.You got it right Franchise is a joke...THEY STINK.


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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
fiestavike wrote:
This team was close, panicked after an injury and has blown the whole thing up with short-sighted thinking and desperation. What a disgrace this franchise is.


Disagree 100%. I've said this before when the Bradford trade happened. It was a smart move because if Teddy isnt back ready for week 1 or ever ready, we have a QB in place next year and possibly longer. If we dont make that trade, we have Taylor Heinecke and would have to make a move for someone. Hill is a FA. And this is a very weak QB class. Our only healthy QB next year would be Heinecke if that was the case. But yeah lets NOT trade for Bradford, have zero chance at doing anything this year and go into next year with Taylor Heinecke as the only healthy QB on our roster. Sounds like a great plan. But yeah I guess this franchise is just a disgrace. :whistle:
smart because shaun hill stinks??so does bradford. the worst pocket presence for a QB I've seen in years.If they even have a pocket.granted they had loses at the O line,but this trade was bonehead. they dont again make playoffs give away draft picks,for what...look at the hershel walker trade....the worst in NFL history...typical Minnesota doings.they had great coaches,Dungy,bilick,leave this organization and succeed.You got it right Franchise is a joke...THEY STINK.
PHILLY got wenz never played a regular season game and trade to minny and our dumb ####'s pick him up....Granted philly aint the best either but they know when to put out the trash folks..


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You suppose they might have "quit" on Zimmer or at least the season? I know we always talk about next man up and the grind and what not, but eventually a season like this, potential lost and lost early. Might drive even the most hard nosed player to "save it for next year"


I wouldn't rule that out, but it doesn't seem likely to me. They were in a game that they really needed (and they were in other contests this year as well, where the game was in reach) and so I have a hard time swallowing the thought that a player (or players) would just decide to "pack it in" when there is (or at least was) a chance for playoff contention.

Quit because Zimmer really does suck???maybe, but i would want to win regardless...and I would want to win even more because I would be tired of being on a time that sucks all the time...

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Disagree 100%. I've said this before when the Bradford trade happened. It was a smart move because if Teddy isnt back ready for week 1 or ever ready, we have a QB in place next year and possibly longer. If we dont make that trade, we have Taylor Heinecke and would have to make a move for someone. Hill is a FA. And this is a very weak QB class. Our only healthy QB next year would be Heinecke if that was the case. But yeah lets NOT trade for Bradford, have zero chance at doing anything this year and go into next year with Taylor Heinecke as the only healthy QB on our roster. Sounds like a great plan. But yeah I guess this franchise is just a disgrace. :whistle:
smart because shaun hill stinks??so does bradford. the worst pocket presence for a QB I've seen in years.If they even have a pocket.granted they had loses at the O line,but this trade was bonehead. they dont again make playoffs give away draft picks,for what...look at the hershel walker trade....the worst in NFL history...typical Minnesota doings.they had great coaches,Dungy,bilick,leave this organization and succeed.You got it right Franchise is a joke...THEY STINK.
PHILLY got wenz never played a regular season game and trade to minny and our dumb ####'s pick him up....Granted philly aint the best either but they know when to put out the trash folks..


Dude, you're now quoting and arguing with yourself. I think it's time to step away from the keyboard and go for a walk, you're not exactly making a stellar first impression.


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PHILLY got wenz never played a regular season game and trade to minny and our dumb ####'s pick him up....Granted philly aint the best either but they know when to put out the trash folks..


Dude, you're now quoting and arguing with yourself. I think it's time to step away from the keyboard and go for a walk, you're not exactly making a stellar first impression.


I like this spunky new guy.

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PHILLY got wenz never played a regular season game and trade to minny and our dumb ####'s pick him up....Granted philly aint the best either but they know when to put out the trash folks..


Dude, you're now quoting and arguing with yourself. I think it's time to step away from the keyboard and go for a walk, you're not exactly making a stellar first impression.


I like this spunky new guy.


Jordy second account?


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smart because shaun hill stinks??so does bradford. the worst pocket presence for a QB I've seen in years.If they even have a pocket.granted they had loses at the O line,but this trade was bonehead. they dont again make playoffs give away draft picks,for what...look at the hershel walker trade....the worst in NFL history...typical Minnesota doings.they had great coaches,Dungy,bilick,leave this organization and succeed.You got it right Franchise is a joke...THEY STINK.


I'm guessing you're just trolling on here now after looking at that post so I'm not going to waste my time

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You suppose they might have "quit" on Zimmer or at least the season? I know we always talk about next man up and the grind and what not, but eventually a season like this, potential lost and lost early. Might drive even the most hard nosed player to "save it for next year"


I wouldn't rule that out, but it doesn't seem likely to me. They were in a game that they really needed (and they were in other contests this year as well, where the game was in reach) and so I have a hard time swallowing the thought that a player (or players) would just decide to "pack it in" when there is (or at least was) a chance for playoff contention.

Quit because Zimmer really does suck???maybe, but i would want to win regardless...and I would want to win even more because I would be tired of being on a time that sucks all the time...


Is it just me or do these posts make zero sense?

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Is it just me or do these posts make zero sense?


It's been addressed.


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PHILLY got wenz never played a regular season game and trade to minny and our dumb ####'s pick him up....Granted philly aint the best either but they know when to put out the trash folks..


Dude, you're now quoting and arguing with yourself. I think it's time to step away from the keyboard and go for a walk, you're not exactly making a stellar first impression.




Jordy second account?


Bite thy toungue sir.

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And what 'bad coaching decision' cost them the game? I assume you are talking about taking a knee at the end of regulation. In case you have forgotten, being aggressive at the end of the first half of that game didn't work out so well. Leading 20-7, the Vikings took possession at their 18-yard line with 1:17 to play before halftime. Two incompletions brought up third-and-10 and Cunningham got sacked and fumbled. The Falcons recovered the ball and scored a touchdown on the next play.

Taking a knee was not a bad coaching decision at that point, especially based on what happened earlier, and it definitely didn't cost us the game. It may have eliminated any chance of winning the game in regulation, but it definitely didn't cost us the game.

If you aren't talking about taking a knee, please inform us what coaching decision you are referring to.

Im sorry but if I have to spell it out....If the Vikes run the ball with Hoard and smith ,both great running backs and run the clock out like he should have done the VIKES GO TO THE SB. That single play besides them not doing anything in the second half costs them the game.Until this team gets good people in the right positions,they NEVER get to the show......SORRY


Sorry to break it to you but that is nothing more than Monday morning quarterbacking. It's always easy to say what they should have done after the fact plus there is no guarantee that running the ball would have worked. Gary Anderson hadn't missed a field goal all season but he did that day. That is the play that cost us going to the Super Bowl that year, not bad coaching decisions.
yes it was a bad coaching decision,but its not about what happened in 98 it's just an example of this team and fans not knowing fundemental football.


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sick of all theese excuses year in and year out....

people vike boards say they failed cause of this cause of that coach this coach that O line this D that that,secondary this ,special team that.i've been a fan here longer than most of you were even born....It's the same stuff every year.. the vikes do nothing more than build a team for now and not for the future. i'm begining to think all they care about ( the organization ) is selling out home field games...who cares as long as we sell out games who cares about fielding a SB team..This team is a LONG way from being competitive in the playoffs let alone the SB. If you cant see this you dont know football.you think you have a good team,they go to philly, DC,DETROIT,games at home all the time and get blown out.look at the last time they were competitive.With this Organization and talent ( as much as you want to) dont want to be embarresed in the playoffs because they cant even beat a 4-10 team down the stretch,especially at home.You think they have a chance beating Green Bay in Wis. what a joke...money on the line.lolo lol lol.....I love the Vikes since 1964 but This same ole crap year in and year out tells me this orginization doesn't care at all.Every year it's the secondary needs this draft pick,the D line needs this tackle or DE,the O line needs a better guard ,tackle,tight end,center OR QB.iTS THE SAME CRAP EVERY YEAR...WHY IS New England so succesful all the time???they cheat,......STOP FOLKS.lets let N E PLAY MINNESOTA patriots not allowed to have any coaches on the sideline.My money says patriots crushes them to peanuts....Minnersota comes across a par team by accident once in a while,while consistently they suck,think about it.Is it the coaching???the players? both at the same time.they have a bad year on D they load uo on D the next year,the O line blows,they load uo the next year and so on,Its over and over and over,They havent had a solid QB in over a decade.Hell the best QB they had was a going out the door was Favre.Bridgewater is very mobile,weak arm down the field and small.bradford blows all the way from the rams.Im not a bandwagoneer,but i will not be on here until this team is consistent all the way around..and that will be a long time...until this team gets dedicated personal in the front office,coaching,and on the field..........Stop making excuses for this poorly run organization and realize they suck and you'll be much better off.just watch them for entertainment,sort of like the three stooges and you wont get high blood pressure. I wanna say go Vikes but they suck as always and always will............................


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sick of all theese excuses year in and year out....

people vike boards say they failed cause of this cause of that coach this coach that O line this D that that,secondary this ,special team that.i've been a fan here longer than most of you were even born....It's the same stuff every year.. the vikes do nothing more than build a team for now and not for the future. i'm begining to think all they care about ( the organization ) is selling out home field games...who cares as long as we sell out games who cares about fielding a SB team..This team is a LONG way from being competitive in the playoffs let alone the SB. If you cant see this you dont know football.you think you have a good team,they go to philly, DC,DETROIT,games at home all the time and get blown out.look at the last time they were competitive.With this Organization and talent ( as much as you want to) dont want to be embarresed in the playoffs because they cant even beat a 4-10 team down the stretch,especially at home.You think they have a chance beating Green Bay in Wis. what a joke...money on the line.lolo lol lol.....I love the Vikes since 1964 but This same ole crap year in and year out tells me this orginization doesn't care at all.Every year it's the secondary needs this draft pick,the D line needs this tackle or DE,the O line needs a better guard ,tackle,tight end,center OR QB.iTS THE SAME CRAP EVERY YEAR...WHY IS New England so succesful all the time???they cheat,......STOP FOLKS.lets let N E PLAY MINNESOTA patriots not allowed to have any coaches on the sideline.My money says patriots crushes them to peanuts....Minnersota comes across a par team by accident once in a while,while consistently they suck,think about it.Is it the coaching???the players? both at the same time.they have a bad year on D they load uo on D the next year,the O line blows,they load uo the next year and so on,Its over and over and over,They havent had a solid QB in over a decade.Hell the best QB they had was a going out the door was Favre.Bridgewater is very mobile,weak arm down the field and small.bradford blows all the way from the rams.Im not a bandwagoneer,but i will not be on here until this team is consistent all the way around..and that will be a long time...until this team gets dedicated personal in the front office,coaching,and on the field..........Stop making excuses for this poorly run organization and realize they suck and you'll be much better off.just watch them for entertainment,sort of like the three stooges and you wont get high blood pressure. I wanna say go Vikes but they suck as always and always will............................


Dude - take a chill pill - I think your blood pressure needs checking. Either that or you are just trolling and I'm going to wager it's the latter.


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Just had a conversation at the bar with one of my buddies about Anthony Barr's dissapearing act this season and was wondering if anyone who watches him closer has more input. Has he been seeing more attention from opposing offenses and thats why we havemt seen him making as many impact plays? Or has his play just slipped? We compared him to our version of Clay Matthews, a guy who has shown he can be an absolute stud but is banged up too often and has been dissapointing as of late. There has been talk of the Packers parting ways with Matthews this offseason to save money. If Barr has just been ineffective on his own and not just because opposing offenses are scheming against him then shouldnt we follow the same logic and sell high on him? Would think he would still have pretty good trade value, it just depends how difficult it would be to replace him.

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fiestavike wrote:
This team was close, panicked after an injury and has blown the whole thing up with short-sighted thinking and desperation. What a disgrace this franchise is.


Disagree 100%. I've said this before when the Bradford trade happened. It was a smart move because if Teddy isnt back ready for week 1 or ever ready, we have a QB in place next year and possibly longer. If we dont make that trade, we have Taylor Heinecke and would have to make a move for someone. Hill is a FA. And this is a very weak QB class. Our only healthy QB next year would be Heinecke if that was the case. But yeah lets NOT trade for Bradford, have zero chance at doing anything this year and go into next year with Taylor Heinecke as the only healthy QB on our roster. Sounds like a great plan. But yeah I guess this franchise is just a disgrace. :whistle:



Hey check this out, PHP, we completely agree on this point! :beerock: :beerock: :beerock:


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Post Re: Somebody tell me where our awesome defense was yesterday
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Just had a conversation at the bar with one of my buddies about Anthony Barr's dissapearing act this season and was wondering if anyone who watches him closer has more input. Has he been seeing more attention from opposing offenses and thats why we havemt seen him making as many impact plays? Or has his play just slipped? We compared him to our version of Clay Matthews, a guy who has shown he can be an absolute stud but is banged up too often and has been dissapointing as of late. There has been talk of the Packers parting ways with Matthews this offseason to save money. If Barr has just been ineffective on his own and not just because opposing offenses are scheming against him then shouldnt we follow the same logic and sell high on him? Would think he would still have pretty good trade value, it just depends how difficult it would be to replace him.

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Unfortunately, I don't think he'd garner enough in a trade to make it worthwhile. His play has dipped noticeably as of late. I don't have any answers.


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Post Re: Somebody tell me where our awesome defense was yesterday
Texas Vike wrote:
Pondering Her Percy wrote:
fiestavike wrote:
This team was close, panicked after an injury and has blown the whole thing up with short-sighted thinking and desperation. What a disgrace this franchise is.


Disagree 100%. I've said this before when the Bradford trade happened. It was a smart move because if Teddy isnt back ready for week 1 or ever ready, we have a QB in place next year and possibly longer. If we dont make that trade, we have Taylor Heinecke and would have to make a move for someone. Hill is a FA. And this is a very weak QB class. Our only healthy QB next year would be Heinecke if that was the case. But yeah lets NOT trade for Bradford, have zero chance at doing anything this year and go into next year with Taylor Heinecke as the only healthy QB on our roster. Sounds like a great plan. But yeah I guess this franchise is just a disgrace. :whistle:



Hey check this out, PHP, we completely agree on this point! :beerock: :beerock: :beerock:


Woooo :thumbsup:

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I think teams are scheming to take him out of the play. He's a legitimate difference maker and Pro Bowl type of talent.
Also, remember that he was a DE in college !
IF we ran a 3-4, he would be a prototype Von Miller, Julius Peppers type !

I think that he's fine. No way I trade him right now.


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IIsweet wrote:
I think teams are scheming to take him out of the play. He's a legitimate difference maker and Pro Bowl type of talent.
Also, remember that he was a DE in college !
IF we ran a 3-4, he would be a prototype Von Miller, Julius Peppers type !

I think that he's fine. No way I trade him right now.


Yeah having one bad year is a stupid reason to trade someone. The good very much outweighs the bad since he's been in the league. Just yet again another overreaction

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Taken from ESPN.....

"Anthony sometimes has a tendency to coast a little bit,” Zimmer said. “I think when he cuts it loose a little bit more, I think that’s when you make the explosive plays and the kind of ‘wow’ plays.”


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