View unanswered posts | View active topics It is currently Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:41 pm



Reply to topic  [ 36 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
 The Legacy of 2016 
Author Message
All Pro Elite Player
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:52 am
Posts: 1696
Location: Kalamazoo, MI
Post The Legacy of 2016
OK, a little positivity here. The 2016 season has been a wild ride. Not many people pegged us for our 5-0 start and then not many saw 1-6 following the hot start. I think 2016 goes down on it's own as a disappointment but I think there are some positives:

- 2016 forced us to upgrade our QB position. We now have 2 starting caliber QBs on the roster and they are both under 30 years old.
- 2016 will hopefully make Spielman and Co to think about how to improve the offensive line differently in the offseason. Hopefully we spend higher draft picks and good free agency money to upgrade the offensive line.
- 2016 showed us we have a few fringe stars on the team: Diggs, Rhodes, Smith.
- 2016 will be helpful in getting big name free agents to join the team after seeing our 5-0 start and the culture that Coach Zimmer has installed.
- 2016 also showed us that our defense can be the best in the league and hopefully next year they will be more consistently dominant.

Anyone else have things to add to the positives coming out of the 2016 season so far?


Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:53 am
Profile
Commissioner
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 27, 2003 9:47 am
Posts: 10040
Location: Burbank, California
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
I'm going to wait until the end of the season to make any judgements on this year.

The Vikings have been a weird team. Anything could happen between now and their final game of the season.


Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:05 pm
Profile
Hall of Famer
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:41 pm
Posts: 6020
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
It's been real...

We are .500 (6-6) with 4 games left to play. Generically speaking, very few teams who get 10 wins fail to make the playoffs. I know that is not a "hard, fast, rule," but I choose to believe that is a pretty accurate gauge for playoff contention. IOW, I believe the Vikings need to "win out" to have a realist chance at post season play. I believe we have a defense capable of winning any game and an offense (ive Line) capable of losing any game. 4-0 for the remainder of the season would be a tall order, indeed. Assuming we pull that off, it means that we have to remain undefeated (on the road) for the rest of the (post)season.

While I won't say that *can't* happen, I feel pretty comfortable saying that I'm not going to *bet* that it will happen...

_________________
I've told people a million times not to exaggerate!


Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:18 pm
Profile
Hall of Fame Inductee
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:38 am
Posts: 4404
Location: Watertown, NY
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
I would say more than a few stars. Joseph and Hunter as well.

Hey it's a lost season. So be it. Some on here seem like it's '09-'10 and act like we are doomed for the future.

We have to remember, we lose next to nobody on this defense next year. Literally nobody outside of Greenway which is easily replaceable and we probably already have the replacement in Lamur.

I have zero problem investing the first 3-4 maybe even 5 picks soley on offense. I know Zimmer wont like that but the way I look at it is, not only do we have a super bowl caliber defense, but we could very well have the DEEPEST defense in all of football. This team isnt just going to deteriorate like 09-10 did. We are still very young and dont have anyone leaving anytime soon

_________________
Image


Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:20 pm
Profile
Starter
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jan 16, 2016 4:38 am
Posts: 183
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
Pondering Her Percy wrote:
I would say more than a few stars. Joseph and Hunter as well.

Hey it's a lost season. So be it. Some on here seem like it's '09-'10 and act like we are doomed for the future.

We have to remember, we lose next to nobody on this defense next year. Literally nobody outside of Greenway which is easily replaceable and we probably already have the replacement in Lamur.

I have zero problem investing the first 3-4 maybe even 5 picks soley on offense. I know Zimmer wont like that but the way I look at it is, not only do we have a super bowl caliber defense, but we could very well have the DEEPEST defense in all of football. This team isnt just going to deteriorate like 09-10 did. We are still very young and dont have anyone leaving anytime soon


I agree. Hunter looks like a stud to me. I think if they can improve the offensive line next year will be much better.

_________________
Offseason Goal: Draft durable, tough, intelligent offensive lineman who are dependable technicians and avoid penalties aka drive killers.


Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:29 pm
Profile
Pro Bowl Elite Player

Joined: Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:40 am
Posts: 567
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
As a one word headline:


PILLAGED!!


Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:59 pm
Profile
Pro Bowl Elite Player

Joined: Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:40 am
Posts: 567
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
Maelstrom88 wrote:
Pondering Her Percy wrote:
I would say more than a few stars. Joseph and Hunter as well.

Hey it's a lost season. So be it. Some on here seem like it's '09-'10 and act like we are doomed for the future.

We have to remember, we lose next to nobody on this defense next year. Literally nobody outside of Greenway which is easily replaceable and we probably already have the replacement in Lamur.

I have zero problem investing the first 3-4 maybe even 5 picks soley on offense. I know Zimmer wont like that but the way I look at it is, not only do we have a super bowl caliber defense, but we could very well have the DEEPEST defense in all of football. This team isnt just going to deteriorate like 09-10 did. We are still very young and dont have anyone leaving anytime soon


I agree. Hunter looks like a stud to me. I think if they can improve the offensive line next year will be much better.



i agree with you guys on the trend of the defense...i'd say they have hump to get over yet to become 'elite' or outright dominant, but I see it happening.

And Hunter was a huge boon for this team.....great pick and development. They sure know what they're doing on the D-line IMO.


Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:02 pm
Profile
Defensive Tackle
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 26, 2003 11:48 am
Posts: 37200
Location: Chicago, IL
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
Pondering Her Percy wrote:
I would say more than a few stars. Joseph and Hunter as well.

Hey it's a lost season. So be it. Some on here seem like it's '09-'10 and act like we are doomed for the future.

We have to remember, we lose next to nobody on this defense next year.


Actually, they could potentially lose a rather key player on defense: Terence Newman. It depends on what they choose to do and what he chooses to do but that's a loss that could have some impact. i still think they'd have a good defense though.


Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:33 pm
Profile
Packers Suck

Joined: Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:40 pm
Posts: 2993
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
TSonn wrote:
OK, a little positivity here. The 2016 season has been a wild ride. Not many people pegged us for our 5-0 start and then not many saw 1-6 following the hot start. I think 2016 goes down on it's own as a disappointment but I think there are some positives:

- 2016 forced us to upgrade our QB position. We now have 2 starting caliber QBs on the roster and they are both under 30 years old.
- 2016 will hopefully make Spielman and Co to think about how to improve the offensive line differently in the offseason. Hopefully we spend higher draft picks and good free agency money to upgrade the offensive line.
- 2016 showed us we have a few fringe stars on the team: Diggs, Rhodes, Smith.
- 2016 will be helpful in getting big name free agents to join the team after seeing our 5-0 start and the culture that Coach Zimmer has installed.
- 2016 also showed us that our defense can be the best in the league and hopefully next year they will be more consistently dominant.

Anyone else have things to add to the positives coming out of the 2016 season so far?



Not as out of it as it might seem, imo.

The Vikings played the Lions and Boys very well, the Lions need to lose 3 of their last 5 for the Vikes to make the playoffs. (If they win out that is.)

I guess I think the biggest positive thus far is that the Lions play NO, NY, DAL all on the road and then GB at home.

Oh, and you upgraded your starting QB.

_________________
"Follow my lead today, whos goona be the big dog with me?" - Aaron Rodgers, February 6th, 2011


Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:48 pm
Profile
Pro Bowl Elite Player
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:07 pm
Posts: 502
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
Please keep Bradford for next year.


Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:38 pm
Profile
Hall of Fame Candidate
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:23 pm
Posts: 3037
Location: Sebastian, FL
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
Jordysghost wrote:


Not as out of it as it might seem, imo.

The Vikings played the Lions and Boys very well, the Lions need to lose 3 of their last 5 for the Vikes to make the playoffs. (If they win out that is.)

I guess I think the biggest positive thus far is that the Lions play NO, NY, DAL all on the road and then GB at home.

Oh, and you upgraded your starting QB.

Not true. The Lions would need to lose 3 for the Vikings to take the division. Depending on what other teams do, the Vikings could still make the playoffs at 9-7. For that matter, it's still possible for the North to send 3 teams to the playoffs. What the Lions do has no bearing on the Vikings making the playoffs at this point.

_________________
This space for rent.


Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:21 am
Profile
Career Elite Player
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:07 pm
Posts: 2904
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
Mothman wrote:
Pondering Her Percy wrote:
I would say more than a few stars. Joseph and Hunter as well.

Hey it's a lost season. So be it. Some on here seem like it's '09-'10 and act like we are doomed for the future.

We have to remember, we lose next to nobody on this defense next year.


Actually, they could potentially lose a rather key player on defense: Terence Newman. It depends on what they choose to do and what he chooses to do but that's a loss that could have some impact. i still think they'd have a good defense though.


Beat me to it.
Not to mention Captain who isn't great, but at least serviceable in the slot.

Trae shows flashes, but also still gets burned a lot and is clearly a step down from Newman. And Alexander has potential but that doesn't always translate to success in the NFL. The can potentially lose A LOT of experience and depth in the secondary. We will see what happens.

Hopefully Floyd actually plays next year, but we will see. I do like their DL a lot but how many more years can they keep it together? Hunter is very young, Floyd is young but never plays, Griffen will be 29 next year, Robison 34, Johnson 33, and Joseph 29. Stephen is nice depth. Can this unit stay dominant long enough for the offense to get its act together?

OL is a disaster but Sirles and Easton show a glimmer of hope. Hopefully they can use these last 4 games to gain experience and improve and be at least serviceable next year. They still need a massive overhaul of their OL and I'm not sure they can do this in the window that the defense will be good.

Should be an exciting offseason.....Lots of decisions (not in order of importance, just in order that I thought of them :v): )
1. the big question...what will they do with AD and his massive contract?
2. hopefully they try to keep CPatt. He is valuable in multiple ST roles, is a nice gimmick on offense, and has improved as a WR
3. Will they extend Bradford??
4. Finally cut ties with Kalil or try to sign him to a new contract (hopefully backup LT $ if they do)
5. Newman and Captain? How comfortable are the Vikings with Trae and Alexander as #2 and #3?
6. What will they do to try to fix this OL? Big splash in FA? Draft 5 OL? or sign a couple of old retreads and see if it works??


Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:19 am
Profile
Commissioner
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 27, 2003 9:47 am
Posts: 10040
Location: Burbank, California
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
720pete wrote:
Please keep Bradford for next year.


Isn't he signed through next year?


Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:42 am
Profile
Hall of Fame Candidate
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:52 am
Posts: 3433
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
VikingPaul73 wrote:
Mothman wrote:
Pondering Her Percy wrote:
I would say more than a few stars. Joseph and Hunter as well.

Hey it's a lost season. So be it. Some on here seem like it's '09-'10 and act like we are doomed for the future.

We have to remember, we lose next to nobody on this defense next year.


Actually, they could potentially lose a rather key player on defense: Terence Newman. It depends on what they choose to do and what he chooses to do but that's a loss that could have some impact. i still think they'd have a good defense though.


Beat me to it.
Not to mention Captain who isn't great, but at least serviceable in the slot.

Trae shows flashes, but also still gets burned a lot and is clearly a step down from Newman. And Alexander has potential but that doesn't always translate to success in the NFL. The can potentially lose A LOT of experience and depth in the secondary. We will see what happens.

Hopefully Floyd actually plays next year, but we will see. I do like their DL a lot but how many more years can they keep it together? Hunter is very young, Floyd is young but never plays, Griffen will be 29 next year, Robison 34, Johnson 33, and Joseph 29. Stephen is nice depth. Can this unit stay dominant long enough for the offense to get its act together?

OL is a disaster but Sirles and Easton show a glimmer of hope. Hopefully they can use these last 4 games to gain experience and improve and be at least serviceable next year. They still need a massive overhaul of their OL and I'm not sure they can do this in the window that the defense will be good.

Should be an exciting offseason.....Lots of decisions (not in order of importance, just in order that I thought of them :v): )
1. the big question...what will they do with AD and his massive contract?
2. hopefully they try to keep CPatt. He is valuable in multiple ST roles, is a nice gimmick on offense, and has improved as a WR
3. Will they extend Bradford??
4. Finally cut ties with Kalil or try to sign him to a new contract (hopefully backup LT $ if they do)
5. Newman and Captain? How comfortable are the Vikings with Trae and Alexander as #2 and #3?
6. What will they do to try to fix this OL? Big splash in FA? Draft 5 OL? or sign a couple of old retreads and see if it works??


Solid post.

I agree about this off season being an interesting one for us to play couch GMs--lots of decisions that will shape next season's team. I'll try to answer your Qs:
1) I really hope they can reach an agreement with AD that is incentives heavy. I think that is going to be the best strategy with him, a guy who thinks he can do anything? Well let's use that belief in negotiations with him!
2) Super important to keep Patterson, IMO. He's shown a genuine fire this year and his arc is heading in the right direction.
3) I think they have to extend Sam. The only way they wouldn't is if they feel strongly that Teddy is going to make a 100% recovery and are certain that he is our QB moving forward. Even then it might behoove us to have Sam under contract, so we don't lose him as a FA and instead can trade him.
4) This is a tough one--my gut says that Kalil's career is done, so I kind of hope they just move on, but our OL situation is SO bad that having him in the mix, at least as a backup, is probably the most prudent move. The question is will he accept backup money or is he going to seek starter role and money elsewhere?
5) I've been surprised by both Newman and Captain's performance this year. I thought we'd see more of a transition to Tre and Alexander. There's a piece in the NYT on Newman and how at 38 his body is a step slower so he uses his mind to compensate--guessing routes, etc.
6) this is the point we're all holding our breath on. Without a first round pick, but with two 3s and two 4s we can bring in some talent from the draft. I hope they can acquire a LT via free agency.


Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:51 am
Profile
Starter
User avatar

Joined: Sat Sep 13, 2014 6:08 pm
Posts: 156
Location: The Trees
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
losperros wrote:
720pete wrote:
Please keep Bradford for next year.


Isn't he signed through next year?


Yes.

_________________
Mothman wrote:
... a good completion percentage in a performance like that is like putting lipstick on a pig.


Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:01 am
Profile
Hall of Fame Candidate
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:52 am
Posts: 3433
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
Here's the NYT article on Newman that I referenced above:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/30/sport ... pan-region


Really good in-depth read, here's a clip:

Quote:
Newman remains an incredible athlete. But as his speed, power and quickness have deteriorated, he has relied ever more on his cognitive skills. His capacity for decoding opponents’ tendencies through film study has mitigated his physiological decline. His aptitude for processing those tidbits and applying them on the field has preserved his livelihood.


Nice to read about the younger guys soaking up his knowledge too. His deciphering opponents' body language is fascinating:

Quote:
Teammates like Mario Edwards, Roy Williams and Darren Woodson mentored him, helping Newman expand his scope to focus on nuances like body language. He recognized that a team would run every time a receiver kept his hands on his knees, and he learned to eliminate certain routes if a receiver aligned with his outside foot up rather than his inside foot.


Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:37 am
Profile
Packers Suck

Joined: Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:40 pm
Posts: 2993
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
Raptorman wrote:
Jordysghost wrote:


Not as out of it as it might seem, imo.

The Vikings played the Lions and Boys very well, the Lions need to lose 3 of their last 5 for the Vikes to make the playoffs. (If they win out that is.)

I guess I think the biggest positive thus far is that the Lions play NO, NY, DAL all on the road and then GB at home.

Oh, and you upgraded your starting QB.

Not true. The Lions would need to lose 3 for the Vikings to take the division. Depending on what other teams do, the Vikings could still make the playoffs at 9-7. For that matter, it's still possible for the North to send 3 teams to the playoffs. What the Lions do has no bearing on the Vikings making the playoffs at this point.


No bearing? That is a massive exaggeration. The division is the most likely path to the playoffs for all the NFCN teams.

It is very unlikely imo, that the Giants lose a wildcard spot entirely, and also unlikely that the last wildcard spot is filled by a team with more losses then 6. I suppose if you won out and still had the Lions in front of you for rhe division you could get the last wildcard spot depending on tiebreakers, but I think any NFCN team with a record good enough for the wildcard is going to have a record good enough for the division.

Mathematically possible? Yea, but not very likely, the wildcard race is rather congested.

_________________
"Follow my lead today, whos goona be the big dog with me?" - Aaron Rodgers, February 6th, 2011


Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:03 pm
Profile
Transition Player
User avatar

Joined: Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:02 pm
Posts: 358
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
Should be an exciting offseason.....Lots of decisions (not in order of importance, just in order that I thought of them :v): )
1. the big question...what will they do with AD and his massive contract?
Let's restructure with incentives and play the hardball game. Look do you want to win a SB or not ?? If so, we need this money to improve OL and open lanes to run through but also to protect our QB. If you want your cash, prove it with this incentive laden contract or leave !
2. hopefully they try to keep CPatt. He is valuable in multiple ST roles, is a nice gimmick on offense, and has improved as a WR
Have To keep CP imo. Playmaker who's improving and probably most dangerous returner in the game.
3. Will they extend Bradford??
He's signed for next year, but maybe try to restructure a more team and cap friendly deal if they think that he's a franchise guy. Otherwise draft a QB in the 3rd or 4th to develop and compete. Becoming a very good backup type.
4. Finally cut ties with Kalil or try to sign him to a new contract (hopefully backup LT $ if they do)
I think he's done. He's gotten a lot of $$$. He may want to keep playing and collecting cash, but he may value being able to walk when he's 40. I'd offer backup $$$. Maybe he can get healthy?
5. Newman and Captain? How comfortable are the Vikings with Trae and Alexander as #2 and #3?
Any thought of Newman moving to Safety? He should be able to dictate what he wants to do. Players at end of their careers normally value winning over anything !
6. What will they do to try to fix this OL? Big splash in FA? Draft 5 OL? or sign a couple of old retreads and see if it works??
I like Sirles and Easton right now as they get reps. Add Boone and we have 3/5 of the line. Harris? I would use the restructured savings and go get a LT and a RG. Hard to trust what we currently have. I would target at least 1 OT and 1 OG in the draft also.


Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:18 pm
Profile
Career Elite Player
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:07 pm
Posts: 2904
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
TexasVike and IISweet - I agree with your responses.

this is a huge offseason - Rick needs to do things right or next year could be a total mess. If he makes smart and prudent decisions, maybe we can be contenders next year. Lots of work to do though.


Sat Dec 03, 2016 1:05 pm
Profile
Pro Bowl Elite Player
User avatar

Joined: Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:28 pm
Posts: 540
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
Has there ever been a team that has finished under 500 with the nfl's top scoring defense? It is entirely possible this year.....


Sat Dec 03, 2016 2:38 pm
Profile
Hall of Famer
User avatar

Joined: Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:57 pm
Posts: 6350
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
VikingPaul73 wrote:
Trae shows flashes, but also still gets burned a lot and is clearly a step down from Newman. And Alexander has potential but that doesn't always translate to success in the NFL. The can potentially lose A LOT of experience and depth in the secondary. We will see what happens.

Solid take, but I have to take exception on the Trae Waynes comments.

I simply disagree that he's been burned. He's taken some penalties, especially early in the year, but he was the best DB on the field against Arizona, and that included Patrick Peterson, at least for that game. Newman got nicked up that game, and Waynes played the entire second half and shut them down. The guy is long, athletic. fast, and jet quick. Biggest thing to me ... he competes. The guy will not give an inch, even if he's been flagged. He's getting some penalties called, but that's not getting burned. To me, getting burned is where the other team picks on you and just keeps completing pass after pass and demoralizing you. Waynes hasn't given up much of anything to anybody. Teams have gone after him, and except for a few penalties, they've come away disappointed.

Let's remember ... the guy Dez Bryant just called "a helluva football player," Xavier Rhodes, also took a lot of penalties early in his career. Now in his fourth year, he's become one of the true shutdown corners in the league. Trae Waynes has every bit as much potential.

That being said ... we certainly will miss the experience that Newman and Munnerlyn bring to the table, should either or both of them not be with the team next year. But we have to be ready for it. Newman is 38. There comes a point where your body just can't do it anymore.

Alexander? Haven't seen enough to make a real determination. He's obviously got some talent, but he's really played like a rookie when he's been in there. Hopefully another year with Zimmer will bring him along.

_________________
Image


Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:07 pm
Profile
Hall of Fame Candidate
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:52 am
Posts: 3433
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
J. Kapp 11 wrote:
VikingPaul73 wrote:
Trae shows flashes, but also still gets burned a lot and is clearly a step down from Newman. And Alexander has potential but that doesn't always translate to success in the NFL. The can potentially lose A LOT of experience and depth in the secondary. We will see what happens.

Solid take, but I have to take exception on the Trae Waynes comments.

I simply disagree that he's been burned. He's taken some penalties, especially early in the year, but he was the best DB on the field against Arizona, and that included Patrick Peterson, at least for that game. Newman got nicked up that game, and Waynes played the entire second half and shut them down. The guy is long, athletic. fast, and jet quick. Biggest thing to me ... he competes. The guy will not give an inch, even if he's been flagged. He's getting some penalties called, but that's not getting burned. To me, getting burned is where the other team picks on you and just keeps completing pass after pass and demoralizing you. Waynes hasn't given up much of anything to anybody. Teams have gone after him, and except for a few penalties, they've come away disappointed.

Let's remember ... the guy Dez Bryant just called "a helluva football player," Xavier Rhodes, also took a lot of penalties early in his career. Now in his fourth year, he's become one of the true shutdown corners in the league. Trae Waynes has every bit as much potential.

That being said ... we certainly will miss the experience that Newman and Munnerlyn bring to the table, should either or both of them not be with the team next year. But we have to be ready for it. Newman is 38. There comes a point where your body just can't do it anymore.

Alexander? Haven't seen enough to make a real determination. He's obviously got some talent, but he's really played like a rookie when he's been in there. Hopefully another year with Zimmer will bring him along.


Give that article from the NYT on Newman a read. It's terrific. From it, I got the impression that he may very well play one more year.


Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:54 pm
Profile
Starter
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:07 pm
Posts: 165
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
we've had our taste of would've could've should've minus the philly and chicago blowouts. getting AP back 100% along with a 4 game win streak and we could wind up with the hot hand going postseason, where nobody in the league seems to be head and shoulders over anybody else.

_________________
Image


Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:11 pm
Profile
Hall of Famer
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:52 pm
Posts: 7673
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
Aernt most of you puking your guts out to moral victories. God, for once to come out strong in in Nov, Dec, and Jan.


Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:43 pm
Profile
Career Elite Player
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:07 pm
Posts: 2904
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
J. Kapp 11 wrote:
VikingPaul73 wrote:
Trae shows flashes, but also still gets burned a lot and is clearly a step down from Newman. And Alexander has potential but that doesn't always translate to success in the NFL. The can potentially lose A LOT of experience and depth in the secondary. We will see what happens.

Solid take, but I have to take exception on the Trae Waynes comments.

I simply disagree that he's been burned. He's taken some penalties, especially early in the year, but he was the best DB on the field against Arizona, and that included Patrick Peterson, at least for that game. Newman got nicked up that game, and Waynes played the entire second half and shut them down. The guy is long, athletic. fast, and jet quick. Biggest thing to me ... he competes. The guy will not give an inch, even if he's been flagged. He's getting some penalties called, but that's not getting burned. To me, getting burned is where the other team picks on you and just keeps completing pass after pass and demoralizing you. Waynes hasn't given up much of anything to anybody. Teams have gone after him, and except for a few penalties, they've come away disappointed.

Let's remember ... the guy Dez Bryant just called "a helluva football player," Xavier Rhodes, also took a lot of penalties early in his career. Now in his fourth year, he's become one of the true shutdown corners in the league. Trae Waynes has every bit as much potential.

That being said ... we certainly will miss the experience that Newman and Munnerlyn bring to the table, should either or both of them not be with the team next year. But we have to be ready for it. Newman is 38. There comes a point where your body just can't do it anymore.

Alexander? Haven't seen enough to make a real determination. He's obviously got some talent, but he's really played like a rookie when he's been in there. Hopefully another year with Zimmer will bring him along.


Maybe I am being too pessimistic about Trae. I hope you are right. But I also hope they keep Newman and Munny at least 1 more year as depth if nothing else....and potentially starters if Trae and Mack don't work out or still aren't ready.


Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:34 pm
Profile
Rookie

Joined: Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:02 pm
Posts: 41
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
At this point I'm going to say it was the season that should've been. Very disappointing.

Sent from my XT1635-01 using Tapatalk


Sun Dec 04, 2016 3:51 pm
Profile
Pro Bowl Elite Player

Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:20 pm
Posts: 978
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
VikingPaul73 wrote:

Maybe I am being too pessimistic about Trae. I hope you are right. But I also hope they keep Newman and Munny at least 1 more year as depth if nothing else....and potentially starters if Trae and Mack don't work out or still aren't ready.



Trust me....Trae will work out. No worries there. I think we are forced to keep Captain for at least another year to groom Alexander.


Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:56 am
Profile
Commissioner
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 27, 2003 9:47 am
Posts: 10040
Location: Burbank, California
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
autobon7 wrote:
VikingPaul73 wrote:

Maybe I am being too pessimistic about Trae. I hope you are right. But I also hope they keep Newman and Munny at least 1 more year as depth if nothing else....and potentially starters if Trae and Mack don't work out or still aren't ready.



Trust me....Trae will work out. No worries there. I think we are forced to keep Captain for at least another year to groom Alexander.


I think losing Trae Waynes would be a huge mistake for the Vikings. Seems to me the kid is really coming along and learning his craft in one of the most difficult positions in the NFL. Keep him!

I like Rhodes and Captain a lot as well. In fact, I don't think CB is any kind of problem for the Vikings right now.


Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:31 am
Profile
Hall of Fame Candidate

Joined: Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:44 pm
Posts: 3213
Location: Coon Rapids, MN
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
Slot CB is a hard position to play, we should undervalue what Munnerlyn brings to the table at that position.

Next year is a bit of a unicorn for me. I think the OL has potential to be better within itself if it can stay healthy, but can it be that much better? I'm not sure. Jake Long was coming along before his Achilles blew up, so we potentially could bring back three guys at OT that are superior to the guys starting now. Boone should be better next year just via time with his guys. Fusco is questionable, what happens with Harris, and what about Center? Let of questions here. Lots.

Given the state of college OL and the low probability of finding day one starters it seems like we will see changes in OL through FA only, otherwise we'll see guys hopefully develop further. I know that is not what everyone want to hear, but it is the reality of the NFL.

Of course, I think there is a real possibilty that we see a new OC. Shurmer is the Interim OC, which means they have yet to designate a full time Coordinator. How that shakes out could impact a lot of personnel.

_________________
Winning is not a sometime thing it is an all of the time thing - Vince Lombardi


Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:49 am
Profile
All Pro Elite Player
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:45 am
Posts: 1269
Post Re: The Legacy of 2016
the disturbing thing is that we dont seem to have the scouts/developmental coaches to groom guys like Waynes, CP, etc ...the talent is drafted then just fizzles.


Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:02 pm
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Reply to topic   [ 36 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: akvikingsfan, Google [Bot], me4get and 17 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group.
Designed by STSoftware.