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On another note, can we please also draft a QB that will push the starter and provide quality depth ???
Let's be proactive as opposed to reactive !


Nah...It's time to overcompensate and draft nothing but offensive lineman. Teddy will be back to push Sam, after all. :P


Teddy's probably never going to play in the NFL again and Sam sucks. Hill is an old backup and Heinecke is a longshot. The vikings need to draft 2 QBs in order to have to legitimate starters competing for the role. Not looking good with no first round pick. I think trading that 1st for Sam will end up costing Rick and Zim their jobs in a couple years.


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2009 - Bradford wins Heisman and was "thinking" of coming out. WOULD HAVE 100% been the Lions pick over Stafford as documented by Gary Danielson years ago.

2010 - AFTER missing most of season at OU with broken clavicle Bradford is STILL taken #1 overall by Rams

2015 - Coming off TWO ACL tears Bradford is STILL traded to Eagles for a 2nd, 4th AND their starting QB Nick Foles

2016 - Bradford is traded to the Vikings for a 1st and 4th


NONE of the above happens with a player who is not SUPREMELY talented, and it ALL happened because of Sam's abilities.

Folks need to get over it and realize he was dealt a crap hand in Minnesota this year.

Rebuild the line, PRAY Treadwell isn't a complete bust and I promise you Sam Bradford is more than capable of winning a Super Bowl or two.

Give this cat time to throw and completing passes for first downs will not be a problem. Give him a legit run game too and the sky is the limit for this offense because there is no part of this field he can't reach with ease.

For those who prefer a running QB, I can't help you as nothing is going to change your mind.


Sam showed abilities in college and that is why he was drafted high but plenty of QBs drafted high didn't live up to expectations and even though Sam isn't as bad

as say Jamarcus Russell, he is not worth a 1st round pick. The eagles traded for him because chip kelly was a nut in philly as the gm. The guy made plenty of

poor decision as gm and the vikings saved the eagles from that trade going down as a failure by being desperate for a qb. Now Sam could win a super bowl if

things are just right just like Manning last year but unless Sam takes multiple leaps forward as a QB, he won't lead any team to a super bowl. The vikings need to

get some talent on the offensive line before super bowls should be a thought. Just keep Sam and Teddy (If he recovers) unless some idiot gm decides to trade for

one because there is no way to find the answer at qb if everyone we put back there is flat on the ground after 2 seconds.


I'd also like to add running back to that list as well. I am a fan of Adrian, but he will be 32 come March and coming off another knee injury. Finding his replacement should be key as well. McKinnon and Asiata given the chance are proving they can't cut it. Not sure what the running back crop looks like this draft, but the backfield need to be addressed this offseason. We have, what, 8 picks this upcoming draft, at last 4 should be on the offensive line along with o line being priority in the offseason. Our defense is fine, but if they're being forced to be on the field because of quick 3 and outs, they will be worn out.

I'm not sure about McKinnon yet. I'm still placing blame on the o line for the run game too. I've seen McKinnon make some good runs if he has some room. But he not like Peterson who,can,get hit two yards in the backfield and still gain yardage. McKinnon is a back that needs a hole time in through and he's not getting any.

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I deliberately stayed away from the forum last night, as i knew there would be some Bradford bashing, and to be honest i knew it would boil my P***. Bradford has been nothing short of a revelation. What reasons do the haters give? The dink and dunking? What choice does he have? He's given the plays, and the plays are so conservative because we cant give any intermediate plays a chance to develop because there's no time. Why is that Bradford's fault?
Yes the interception in the end was a bad decision, but up until that very throw, i cant remember many if any brain farts he'd had previously, in the entire season.

The reasons he was critiqued for before were, firstly and most importantly his durability. Well, he's been pummeled and he's still going. Big tick.
he was a bit feet happy in the pocket when under pressure. Nope he's gone through that, in the face of constant pressure.
Accuracy issues, Hasn't missed many has he?
So for me, everything he was supposed to be bad at, he has improved.
And he still has his strengths.
His arm strength and usual decision making cannot be faulted.

For me, if we got rid of him like the boo boys seem to want, we would be much worse off. Especially for seasons to come. If i had to take a fit 2015 Teddy or Sam, i know who currently i'd pick. And i'm sure most level headed people would feel the same.
We all hope that Teddy will get back to playing. And if he does, we hope he will progress like he promised to before the injury. But, make no mistake about it, even if that is the case, Bradford will provide great competition for him.


Bradford accuracy is excellent like you said. His medium and deep,balls he's thrown when he's had time have been pretty spot on. He's a really good QB. I feel bad for the guy.

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Post Re: Vikings @ Lions Game Day Discussion Thread -- Thanksgivi
How in the world do we manage 21 pages about a game that is just plainly a sign that we are going nowhere this year( again)? We are debating the qualities of a middling QB, while staring at a complete absence of ANY OL with NO good players on the roster for OL who are going to come back and save the season (or next season). The ONLY germane discussion is about our GM, and his plan ( or lack thereof) to fix the truly gaping, unadressed, and unavoidable problem we have.

Its just another squandered year :steamed:


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fiestavike wrote:
IIsweet wrote:
On another note, can we please also draft a QB that will push the starter and provide quality depth ???
Let's be proactive as opposed to reactive !


So 2 Quarterbacks and 5 offensive linemen next draft?

and a kicker


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i don't even know any germaine....so how can i have a conversation in it?


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i don't even know any germaine....so how can i have a conversation in it?



:lol: I think you've misunderstood; I did too, at first.

He's talking about Jermaine Jackson. :thumbsup:


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Texas Vike wrote:
Nunin wrote:
i don't even know any germaine....so how can i have a conversation in it?



:lol: I think you've misunderstood; I did too, at first.

He's talking about Jermaine Jackson. :thumbsup:

he wants us to talk with jermaine jackson??!!
in germaine?!
i so confuse


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UKno1VIKING wrote:
I deliberately stayed away from the forum last night, as i knew there would be some Bradford bashing, and to be honest i knew it would boil my P***. Bradford has been nothing short of a revelation. What reasons do the haters give? The dink and dunking? What choice does he have? He's given the plays, and the plays are so conservative because we cant give any intermediate plays a chance to develop because there's no time. Why is that Bradford's fault?
Yes the interception in the end was a bad decision, but up until that very throw, i cant remember many if any brain farts he'd had previously, in the entire season.

The reasons he was critiqued for before were, firstly and most importantly his durability. Well, he's been pummeled and he's still going. Big tick.
he was a bit feet happy in the pocket when under pressure. Nope he's gone through that, in the face of constant pressure.
Accuracy issues, Hasn't missed many has he?
So for me, everything he was supposed to be bad at, he has improved.
And he still has his strengths.
His arm strength and usual decision making cannot be faulted.

For me, if we got rid of him like the boo boys seem to want, we would be much worse off. Especially for seasons to come. If i had to take a fit 2015 Teddy or Sam, i know who currently i'd pick. And i'm sure most level headed people would feel the same.
We all hope that Teddy will get back to playing. And if he does, we hope he will progress like he promised to before the injury. But, make no mistake about it, even if that is the case, Bradford will provide great competition for him.


And may I add:

Bridgewater last year with the same OL for all 16 games, best RB in football - 65.3 comp % 3,231 passing yards, 14 tds, 9 ints AND the "mobile QB" was sacked 44 times (83 - EIGHTY-THREE! in 2 years)

Bradford with the turn-style 2016 OL with zero run game has, in 10 games - 71.3 comp % 2,415 passing yards (pace for 3,864 in 16 games), 12 tds (on pace for 19), 3 ints (on pace for 5) AND the "immobile QB" has been sacked 26 times (on pace for 42)

Also keep in mind that Bradford, although being drafted by a historically bad team that was 5-43 in its previous 3 seasons, has NEVER been sacked in his career more than 36 times in a season.

Bridgewater year 1 was sacked 39 times and year 2 an incredible 44 times with THAT running game and at least a constant OL.

But lets not let reality get in the way of a good bashing....


No it wasn't the same line, it's not even close to the same line. And the only reason the running game was better was Adrian, period. You're comparing a then second year qb to a guy who had been in the leage for a while. Not only that, Adrian led the nfl by a landslide in contact behind the line of scrimmage. Stop being a troll


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Post Re: Vikings @ Lions Game Day Discussion Thread -- Thanksgivi
guys, any QB who can repeatedly throw for 200 yards with the putrid excuse for an OL that Bradford has been given, and NO running game is a pretty solid QB...HE is NOT the problem.


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I'm not sure about McKinnon yet. I'm still placing blame on the o line for the run game too. I've seen McKinnon make some good runs if he has some room. But he not like Peterson who,can,get hit two yards in the backfield and still gain yardage. McKinnon is a back that needs a hole time in through and he's not getting any.

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I'd be willing to bet the McKinnon is suffering a turf toe. he's not as explosive and quick as last season and he routinely takes a long time to get up off the ground. His foot or ankle is obviously in pain. Turf toe is my bet.


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I'd be willing to bet the McKinnon is suffering a turf toe. he's not as explosive and quick as last season and he routinely takes a long time to get up off the ground. His foot or ankle is obviously in pain. Turf toe is my bet.

It does appear that there is something not quite right with him this year. Not nearly as explosive looking as he was last year. He seems better suited as a change-of-pace/receiving back regardless.

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He seems better suited as a change-of-pace/receiving back regardless.


I think he has the potential to be really good when healthy. Put a healthy McKinnon behind the Dallas line and I think he'd be considered 'elite' by the know nothings.


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my grandma would look great behind the Dallas OL.....they are scary good. Just the kinda guys Spielman needs to kidnap during the off - season......but he wont.....offensive lineman just arent important to him.


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