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So I guess they are using this more often to try to spark the running game. Are you guys fans or do you view it as a wasted down?

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So I guess they are using this more often to try to spark the running game. Are you guys fans or do you view it as a wasted down?


For the most part, it worked pretty well today.

I liked the wrinkle of having the sweeper pitch it to Bradford, who then threw it down field. I'd like to see Patterson get the sweep more though.

Most of all, it's working well as a way to get yards up the middle.

Jerrick was a QB in college--I'm waiting for them to have him throw it one of these times.


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I don't think it's wasted, given the circumstances. I don't necessarily like the QB being spread out wide, but when they run the Wildcat, I trust the ball handlers and as Tex said, it's a wrinkle. It doesn't have to generate 5 yards a pop for it to be effective, but it's just one of those chess pieces that need to be played for a struggling offense in giving a defense that one extra look to prepare for. It's not like they are exclusively Wildcat, so I think it's peppered in nicely and an unheralded benefit.


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I wasn't down on Norv, I was on Shurmur. But considering the circumstances I think Shurmur and the wildcat is the obvious choice over Norv. Norv is going to get elite production out of elite talent, but it seems like throughout his history he isn't going to maximize production. Shurmur had some questionable production throughout his coaching career, but to be honest...I think this team lost with Norv as OC today...they won with Shurmur. If everyone was healthy I'd prefer Norv. They aren't.


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I wasn't down on Norv, I was on Shurmur. But considering the circumstances I think Shurmur and the wildcat is the obvious choice over Norv. Norv is going to get elite production out of elite talent, but it seems like throughout his history he isn't going to maximize production. Shurmur had some questionable production throughout his coaching career, but to be honest...I think this team lost with Norv as OC today...they won with Shurmur. If everyone was healthy I'd prefer Norv. They aren't.


Yeah if Norv was still the OC and doing 7 step drops Sam would be out for the season. I'm not a huge fan of Shurmur but he does certainly call plays for the ball to come out quickly. If this team would have lost with a special teams TD and a defensive TD that would have been absolutely pathetic.

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I wasn't down on Norv, I was on Shurmur. But considering the circumstances I think Shurmur and the wildcat is the obvious choice over Norv. Norv is going to get elite production out of elite talent, but it seems like throughout his history he isn't going to maximize production. Shurmur had some questionable production throughout his coaching career, but to be honest...I think this team lost with Norv as OC today...they won with Shurmur. If everyone was healthy I'd prefer Norv. They aren't.


I'm not sure how you can have such a strong conviction when we don't even know why Norv resigned...I don't necessarily agree nor disagree with the idea that Shurmur is better for calling the plays on offense than Norv was, but you almost insinuate that the Wildcat was chosen over Norv..."I think Shurmur and the wildcat is the obvious choice over Norv." Nah...That makes little sense. I don't mind your pessimistic view, even though it's grown tiresome and now frivolous, but you follow it all up with, in summation, "the Vikings lose if Norv was the OC today, but since they won, Shurmur is the guy, however, if their offense was at full strength, I'd prefer Norv." :lol: What?!


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I'm not sure how you can have such a strong conviction when we don't even know why Norv resigned


Did you miss the articles when Shurmur was hired? :confused:

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I don't mind your pessimistic view, even though it's grown tiresome and now frivolous, but you follow it all up with, in summation, "the Vikings lose if Norv was the OC today, but since they won, Shurmur is the guy, however, if their offense was at full strength, I'd prefer Norv." :lol: What?!


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Pessimistic? I wasn't a fan of Shurmur when he was hired...because of his history. But after the injuries he became a better option. If Teddy, AD, the OL, EVERYTHING had been the same, I'd take Norv over Shurmur, thought that was clear before the season. Look at Shurmur's history of coaching.

This team won by 1 score. Norv is going to run Norv's offense. There's a reason they hired Shurmur, do you think they hired Shurmur because of my pessimistic view? And Norv resigned because of my pessimitic view? :deadhorse:

My "pessimistic view" is the reason they signed Shurmur this offseason. Because they saw the issues with Turner's offense coming off of last season :wallbang:


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Can your pessimistic view sign the Cowboys offensive line as well?

Thanks in advance.


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The wildcat has given us our best running plays all year. I'm waiting for jet to throw one. He played QB in college so I'm sure he can definitely do it. I mean if Doug Baldwin can throw one to Wilson then I'm sure her can toss it....just not to Bradford. Side note: that stupid play lost me my fantasy game

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The wildcat has given us our best running plays all year. I'm waiting for jet to throw one. He played QB in college so I'm sure he can definitely do it. I mean if Doug Baldwin can throw one to Wilson then I'm sure her can toss it....just not to Bradford. Side note: that stupid play lost me my fantasy game



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I have to wonder if the wildcat isn't more of a Sparano thing than a Shurmur thing. Sparano sort of invented the idea when he was head coach in Miami, and he took the league by storm with it until defensive coordinators figured it out in like, two weeks.

The Vikings are going to get Bradford killed running that formation. We got very lucky when the refs called that personal foul on Patrick Peterson yesterday. It generated a ton of criticism, and I'd bet other teams will try the same tactic.

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I'm pretty sure they'll coach Bradford to run straight out of bounds from now on out of this formation. Then one day, McKinnon will sweep, stand up, and throw to a wide open Sam in the endzone.


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I'm pretty sure they'll coach Bradford to run straight out of bounds from now on out of this formation. Then one day, McKinnon will sweep, stand up, and throw to a wide open Sam in the endzone.



That would be hilarious.

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So I guess they are using this more often to try to spark the running game. Are you guys fans or do you view it as a wasted down?


I like it.....however SB needed more arm into that throw. It all worked out with the PI call though. Just would have been nice to complete that would be TD.


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The game has passed Norv By like it did Shula, Landry, Schottenheimer, Parcells ect ect ect. It happens. Old school finally becomes "Old school" and won't work with bigger, faster players.


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The game has passed Norv By like it did Shula, Landry, Schottenheimer, Parcells ect ect ect. It happens. Old school finally becomes "Old school" and won't work with bigger, faster players.


Good point....I'd like to add my theory about OL injuries throughout the league. In regards to all players/all positions being bigger and more athletic the OL roll has changed dramatically compared to the 70s and 80s. They didn't used to do nearly as many crazy schemes asking as much out of the OL as they do now-a-days. Agree/disagree?


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I'm pretty sure they'll coach Bradford to run straight out of bounds from now on out of this formation. Then one day, McKinnon will sweep, stand up, and throw to a wide open Sam in the endzone.


And in this dream of yours, will he catch it?

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5thWave wrote:
I'm pretty sure they'll coach Bradford to run straight out of bounds from now on out of this formation. Then one day, McKinnon will sweep, stand up, and throw to a wide open Sam in the endzone.


And in this dream of yours, will he catch it?



Why wouldn't he? Sam has never dropped a Pass as a receiver in the NFL. "Sure-Hand Sam"


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Wildcat will only work as the occasional trick play. As soon as a team starts using it in a predictable fashion, a decent NFL Defense will tear it apart (and likely the QB too). BUT, desperate times call for desperate measures, right?


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I'm ok with it, but I do think Jet needs to be more willing to hand it off. He kept one for no yards with an option to Patterson. I can't remember at the moment, but it feels like he's kept it almost every single time. I think if you're going to do it, you have to make them guess.(I'm not counting the trick play as that was designed, more when the option is keep it or give, Jet pretty much always keeps it)


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5thWave wrote:
I'm pretty sure they'll coach Bradford to run straight out of bounds from now on out of this formation. Then one day, McKinnon will sweep, stand up, and throw to a wide open Sam in the endzone.


And in this dream of yours, will he catch it?


In that scenario it wouldn't matter if he catches it or not. If he runs out of bounds first he is no longer eligible to catch a pass. :lol:


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I'm ok with it, but I do think Jet needs to be more willing to hand it off. He kept one for no yards with an option to Patterson. I can't remember at the moment, but it feels like he's kept it almost every single time. I think if you're going to do it, you have to make them guess.(I'm not counting the trick play as that was designed, more when the option is keep it or give, Jet pretty much always keeps it)



I agree with this.


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The offensive game plan needed some pepper to throw the defense off guard. The wildcat worked nicely for that reason. More pepper varieties and our O will get better. Kinda what we need at this point.


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Maelstrom88 wrote:
So I guess they are using this more often to try to spark the running game. Are you guys fans or do you view it as a wasted down?


I like it.....however SB needed more arm into that throw. It all worked out with the PI call though. Just would have been nice to complete that would be TD.

In Bradford's defense, he was moving to his left AND drifting slightly away from the line of scrimmage. The throw was totally against his body. If they would have designed the play exactly opposite, so Sam would have been moving to his right, I'd bet he would have gotten the ball to Thielen (who was wide open, by the way).

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Purple Martin wrote:
5thWave wrote:
I'm pretty sure they'll coach Bradford to run straight out of bounds from now on out of this formation. Then one day, McKinnon will sweep, stand up, and throw to a wide open Sam in the endzone.


And in this dream of yours, will he catch it?



Why wouldn't he? Sam has never dropped a Pass as a receiver in the NFL. "Sure-Hand Sam"


Has he ever caught one that he didn't throw to himself? :D

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