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uggh looks like my post got wormholed.
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i agree with you guys about AD helping the offense.
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i think AZ is a perfect opponent for this defense this week. palmer does not get the ball out that quickly.
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schurmer's use of the no huddle and passing to set up the run will continue to be effective.
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zimmer has to tighten up things and stop the long drives against his D.
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i think the vikes are loaded on offense despite the line crippling them. it's on schurmer to milk that talent and adapt the scheme. so far, i like his style.


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uggh looks like my post got wormholed.
i'll just repost the points
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i agree with you guys about AD helping the offense.
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i think AZ is a perfect opponent for this defense this week. palmer does not get the ball out that quickly.
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schurmer's use of the no huddle and passing to set up the run will continue to be effective.
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zimmer has to tighten up things and stop the long drives against his D.
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i think the vikes are loaded on offense despite the line crippling them. it's on schurmer to milk that talent and adapt the scheme. so far, i like his style.

I think that the defense will be smoked like a brisket if they don't shore up the run defense, never mind Palmer.
And against a big back like David Johnson they are likely to suffer the same fate as they did with Howard and the Bears.

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Nunin wrote:
uggh looks like my post got wormholed.
i'll just repost the points
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i agree with you guys about AD helping the offense.
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i think AZ is a perfect opponent for this defense this week. palmer does not get the ball out that quickly.
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schurmer's use of the no huddle and passing to set up the run will continue to be effective.
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zimmer has to tighten up things and stop the long drives against his D.
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i think the vikes are loaded on offense despite the line crippling them. it's on schurmer to milk that talent and adapt the scheme. so far, i like his style.

I think that the defense will be smoked like a brisket if they don't shore up the run defense, never mind Palmer.
And against a big back like David Johnson they are likely to suffer the same fate as they did with Howard and the Bears.

i hear ya on the run D and mentioned it on my post that got lost. i just lumped it into the 'zimmer needs to tighten things uo' comment on the post above.
they have been getting gashed pretty good there up the middle~


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I've got a weird feeling about the expectation for today's game vs. Arizona. I feel the Vikings should win, but if they lose, it's just like a business-as-usual Sunday -- the slide continues and our overall expectations dwindles further on a disappointing season to the point where we all just want to sink back into the crowd and go unnoticed as fans (at least that's my case living in Seattle). :lol:


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my feel is that they are gonna roll the cards.
if that doesn't happen though, i could see a descent into darkness :(


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I think if we don't beat both the Cardinals and the Lions (especially the Lions), we can say goodbye to the playoffs. We almost certainly aren't going to beat the Cowboys, so if we lose to one of those two and to the Cowboys, that would put us at six losses. 10-6 probably gets us in the playoffs, 9-7 probably not, and the way we are playing, we aren't going to sweep the last four games of the season.


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Now that the Vikings washed their hands of that mess...Where do we stand? A win on Thursday means the Vikings will be solely in first place to begin the month of December...I'd say it's a must-win for the sake of positioning, but not necessarily for just making it to the playoffs....We don't want a wildcard though, so must-win it is!


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Now that the Vikings washed their hands of that mess...Where do we stand? A win on Thursday means the Vikings will be solely in first place to begin the month of December...I'd say it's a must-win for the sake of positioning, but not necessarily for just making it to the playoffs....We don't want a wildcard though, so must-win it is!


Yeah I view it as a must win. Getting swept by the Lions all but assures they lose the division and are out of the playoffs. Huge game.

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PacificNorseWest wrote:
Now that the Vikings washed their hands of that mess...Where do we stand? A win on Thursday means the Vikings will be solely in first place to begin the month of December...I'd say it's a must-win for the sake of positioning, but not necessarily for just making it to the playoffs....We don't want a wildcard though, so must-win it is!


Yeah I view it as a must win. Getting swept by the Lions all but assures they lose the division and are out of the playoffs. Huge game.


The Lions will implode later whether we win or not, so we can still win the division and make the playoffs either way. But a loss would be a huge blow to our sketchy morale and confidence.

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Lions is a must win because Dallas is the following week and we can not afford a losing streak of even 2 games from here on out. Short of the defense having the their best game of the season we will lose to Dallas.


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unless you wanna be a road team in a wild card game, they are all pretty much must win from here on out.


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unless you wanna be a road team in a wild card game, they are all pretty much must win from here on out.


Beggars cant be choosers. I take must win to be "minimum needed to make playoffs" I mean, sure, every game from here out is a must win if we want a 12-4 record and a superbowl.


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Nunin wrote:
unless you wanna be a road team in a wild card game, they are all pretty much must win from here on out.


Beggars cant be choosers. I take must win to be "minimum needed to make playoffs" I mean, sure, every game from here out is a must win if we want a 12-4 record and a superbowl.

if they get in they get in....i just hope they are in the mindframe that the playoff style has begun. it's the one or two plays per game that decide it. win every down.


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Nunin wrote:
unless you wanna be a road team in a wild card game, they are all pretty much must win from here on out.


Beggars cant be choosers. I take must win to be "minimum needed to make playoffs" I mean, sure, every game from here out is a must win if we want a 12-4 record and a superbowl.

if they get in they get in....i just hope they are in the mindframe that the playoff style has begun. it's the one or two plays per game that decide it. win every down.



My view of what happened is that Zimmer "laid off" the defense during the 5-0 stretch because they were playing out of their minds for the most part and by the time he realized they still needed someone to ride their butts it took him a couple of weeks to fire them up again. If the defense plays this well Thursday I think on that side of the ball we are right back into the elite talk.

Offense, bleh,

Idk, I would honestly like to see them move away from the wildcats and such. I think it kills momentum. Idt we are going to figure out the running game in 3 weeks. Just be honest with yourself, everyone else knows you cant run it, so when you NEED yards. throw it. dont completely abandoned the run but be honest. 3rd and 2? That's a gimmick or a passing. 4th and inches? Gimmick or passing. use the lateral moves (screens, sweeps, laterals, etc) to slow down the pass rush and keep the relatively honest in a run light offense and let the offense groove.


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My view of what happened is that Zimmer "laid off" the defense during the 5-0 stretch because they were playing out of their minds for the most part and by the time he realized they still needed someone to ride their butts it took him a couple of weeks to fire them up again. If the defense plays this well Thursday I think on that side of the ball we are right back into the elite talk.

Offense, bleh,

Idk, I would honestly like to see them move away from the wildcats and such. I think it kills momentum. Idt we are going to figure out the running game in 3 weeks. Just be honest with yourself, everyone else knows you cant run it, so when you NEED yards. throw it. dont completely abandoned the run but be honest. 3rd and 2? That's a gimmick or a passing. 4th and inches? Gimmick or passing. use the lateral moves (screens, sweeps, laterals, etc) to slow down the pass rush and keep the relatively honest in a run light offense and let the offense groove.


i'm not for or against the wildcat in any real way, although i think it was from that formation that the long PI to Thielen happened which ultimately scored a TD for them.

On offense I think they are just trying to get the ball in the hands of the playmakers...and they have several. More than most teams IMO, so maybe it serves them to be what people might call gimmicky. But every copied trend in this league started out as a gimmick of sorts. Not that they are trend setting....but do whatever works on a game to game basis according to the matchups. Exploitation is the name of the game.
I don't think this o-line has that talent currently to run effective stretch plays and screens against good defenses. It is what it is.

What I've been reading about the defense is that Zimmer has been trying to do too much....they had wandered away from the roles and discipline after a couple of losses.
It remains to be seen if they have figured it out, and like you, I will feel more confident one way or the other after they play the Lions again.


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I dont expect it but a dismantling of the Lions on both sides of the ball would be awesome

30-6 or something lopsided.


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I dont expect it but a dismantling of the Lions on both sides of the ball would be awesome

30-6 or something lopsided.

i actually expect them to knock the snot out of the Lions.


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Really? D o you really think we are now infinitely better then the team that got their #### kcked by the Wretched Chicago Bears? The Lions are far better then Chicago.....dont go betting your savings on ANY Viking game this year, the Vikes are very iffy.


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I dont expect it but a dismantling of the Lions on both sides of the ball would be awesome

30-6 or something lopsided.

i actually expect them to knock the snot out of the Lions.


I'll be very surprised if that happens.

Also very happy.


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Really? D o you really think we are now infinitely better then the team that got their #### kcked by the Wretched Chicago Bears? The Lions are far better then Chicago.....dont go betting your savings on ANY Viking game this year, the Vikes are very iffy.


i think it's the same team that clowned the giants and panthers as well as the team that lost to the bears and blew a last minute lead to the lions.

'infinitely' and 'far better' has little to do with 'any given sunday' IMO...and IMO they are going to handle the lions emphatically.

shall we make a wager?


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Nunin wrote:
chicagohyperbole wrote:
Really? D o you really think we are now infinitely better then the team that got their #### kcked by the Wretched Chicago Bears? The Lions are far better then Chicago.....dont go betting your savings on ANY Viking game this year, the Vikes are very iffy.


i think it's the same team that clowned the giants and panthers as well as the team that lost to the bears and blew a last minute lead to the lions.

'infinitely' and 'far better' has little to do with 'any given sunday' IMO...and IMO they are going to handle the lions emphatically.

shall we make a wager?



I agree. This will be a far different outcome from the first matchup. I look for them to put it all together on Thanksgiving and blow out the Lions....Any given Sunday is a great way to put it for most of the matchups from week to week all around the league.


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I wold feel better if Sharif Floyd and some others were back and or not injured. I believe the Lions have had a few more injuries since we last faced them tho. I hope we kill em, but I dont have confidence in any of our wins being a blow out (we dont get to face the Browns this year...).


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I wold feel better if Sharif Floyd and some others were back and or not injured. I believe the Lions have had a few more injuries since we last faced them tho. I hope we kill em, but I dont have confidence in any of our wins being a blow out (we dont get to face the Browns this year...).


I am with you there. honestly I feel like the Lions had a few lucky bounces last game where If they went our way we would have won.

I think if we play well and with a LITTLE luck this could be a comfortable win, say... 24-10 or so.


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I think I agree with the consensus in that the Vikings might win by blowout. The Lions can have dud games, we did so at Chicago. The last 3 years we are winning Thanksgiving games by an average of 26 points and that is due for a correction. Also we got whipped in the trenches on both sides of the ball by the Jaguars and had to use the TE jet sweep (that you guys used on us which should've sealed the win) to score the only offensive TD.


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I wold feel better if Sharif Floyd and some others were back and or not injured. I believe the Lions have had a few more injuries since we last faced them tho. I hope we kill em, but I dont have confidence in any of our wins being a blow out (we dont get to face the Browns this year...).


No, in fact we played you guys without Darius Slay, our top corner, who is back now. And we might have DeAndre Levy back (finally) and he is an all-pro linebacker. Also Ziggy Ansah's ankle is getting better every week. Those are our top 3 defensive players.

But I still think we piss down our leg in this game.


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I think I agree with the consensus in that the Vikings might win by blowout. The Lions can have dud games, we did so at Chicago. The last 3 years we are winning Thanksgiving games by an average of 26 points and that is due for a correction. Also we got whipped in the trenches on both sides of the ball by the Jaguars and had to use the TE jet sweep (that you guys used on us which should've sealed the win) to score the only offensive TD.


Welcome back.

To be honest I could see either a Vikings blow out, A Detroit blow out, or a moderate Vikings win.

I think it really hinges on whether we can get any semblance of a passing rhythm going so we can put up some points.

The other MAJOR issue is the defense. Detroit won on the 3 massively long and time consuming drives the Vikings let them have. Your team (and others) have done their best when starting inside the 10, regularly marching the length of the field for an 8 minute drive and a TD. Our defense has better luck when the opponent starts at the 50 its seems. We rectified that against the Cards some, If the Defense continues its return to early season form I like our chances.


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hey Iron,

i think the big difference in this game will be the teeth of the vikings D. They got totally humiliated by the final two drives at the end of regulation and in OT.

whether or not they can shut down down the Lions remains to be seen. They do have a history of getting to Stafford though. I don't see the Vikes offense suddenly scoring tons tomorrow either. If the Vikes D plays up to it's potential, I see the vikes taking it by 10. Otherwise it's going to be a nail biter.

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Also a couple things that are interesting:

Lions and Vikings have been trading season sweeps since 2011. A Vikings win ends that.

Edit - false, my mistake. But there has been lots of sweeping.

The Vikings have beaten Arizona and Carolina. The Lions have beaten LA but probably won't win in New Orleans. Why does this matter? If we tie on head-to-head and division records, the next tiebreaker for division champion is common games, not conference record. If you guys beat us tomorrow, beat Chicago and lose at Green Bay while we beat Chicago and Green Bay (both in Detroit) then the North belongs to us if our records are even... and let's face it, we're both 8-8 teams.

When it's all said and done, last place in the East has more wins than first place in the North. Division winner should just be first tiebreaker among bottom-tier playoff teams. So a 9-7 division winner seeds higher than a 9-7 wildcard no matter what, but 10-6 wildcard seeds higher than 9-7 division winner.

Playoff format needs changing.


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Also a couple things that are interesting:

Lions and Vikings have been trading season sweeps since 2011. A Vikings win ends that.

Edit - false, my mistake. But there has been lots of sweeping.

The Vikings have beaten Arizona and Carolina. The Lions have beaten LA but probably won't win in New Orleans. Why does this matter? If we tie on head-to-head and division records, the next tiebreaker for division champion is common games, not conference record. If you guys beat us tomorrow, beat Chicago and lose at Green Bay while we beat Chicago and Green Bay (both in Detroit) then the North belongs to us if our records are even... and let's face it, we're both 8-8 teams.

When it's all said and done, last place in the East has more wins than first place in the North. Division winner should just be first tiebreaker among bottom-tier playoff teams. So a 9-7 division winner seeds higher than a 9-7 wildcard no matter what, but 10-6 wildcard seeds higher than 9-7 division winner.

Playoff format needs changing.


I get what you mean, the problem I see there though is that a division like the AFCN where 3 of the teams would then start with essentially a 2 game lead over the rest of their Conference (by virtue of two games against the, lets face it, FOREVER hapless Browns) for the playoffs. Remember the NFCW a few years ago where 7-9 teams were making the playoffs because of the weakness of the schedule? You would essentially be rewarding division for having 50% of their teams suck.

So if say, the browns an Bengals started sucking hard just terrible, they go say, 1-15 and 2-14 thus "spotting" the Ravens and Steelers 4 games each and they end up 12-4 and 11-5. Then say the AFCS is hyper competitive and everyone splits with everyone. so you have say. Colts in second with 9-7 and the Texans in 1st with 10-6 The Texans would potentially lose out on playoff "perks" due to the second place Steeler's who more than likely made it in due to the crappy play of the Browns and Bengals.


as unlikely as the situation is its the weird rare occurrence that make the rules super important. Superbowl's can be once-in-a-lifetime events. It would suck to miss a shot because some teams gave their division a boost.


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I feel the Vikings suffocate Stafford and the Lions O tomorrow and the offense finally has a game that doesn't need to rely on the defense or special teams to help offer up some points. Just a hunch. We'll see...


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