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We currently have no first round draft pick, and drafted a total apparent bust as a wr, and now our defense doesn't want to even show up. We will be lucky to win 2 more games and I honestly couldn't care less anymore about this season, because it is shot. How can anyone expect a qb to perform behind an offensive line like this? Michael Vick as a rookie would have been murdered behind this disgrace of an offensive line. But more to the point, I've been a big Zimmer fan, but now I'm not so sure. You cannot have such a disconnect between the offense and defense. There has to be more of a balanced attack and I honestly don't think he understands that, or hasn't put in the proper personal to make that happen. Norv sucked, everyone knows that, but how much better is his replacement? These are the questions we need to be asking.


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Don't forget, we also brought in a qb in that ate most of our cap space, who is now useless since the rest of the team turned to crap. They cannot fix this mess if they wanted to.
Hopefully spielman is out the door. Wr was the last position requiring a first round pick last year. He has never addressed the line issues, never brought in a capable back up, or at least a prospect, which led to the awful Bradford deal, and didn't address the Walsh issue. But there is always next season.


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This years draft has to be one of the worst in the history of the NFL. I blame Speilman fully.

1st pick : Treadwell WR. He has the same number of catches this year as our starting QB, Nuff said
2nd pick : Alexander CB. He looks completely over matched in every facet of the game when he is in there.
3rd pick : Beavers OL. Is he off the team?
4th pick : Kentrell Brothers. Atleast he is contributing on special teams.....
5th pick : Boehringer. Terrible pick IMO
6th pick : David Morgan................................................................
7th pick : Stephen Weatherly Is he on the team?
8th pick : Jayron Kearse... I had hopes for this kid but he has looked terrible. Takes bad angles and has bad instincts and tackling.


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Norv Zimmer wrote:
This years draft has to be one of the worst in the history of the NFL. I blame Speilman fully.

1st pick : Treadwell WR. He has the same number of catches this year as our starting QB, Nuff said
2nd pick : Alexander CB. He looks completely over matched in every facet of the game when he is in there.
3rd pick : Beavers OL. Is he off the team?
4th pick : Kentrell Brothers. Atleast he is contributing on special teams.....
5th pick : Boehringer. Terrible pick IMO
6th pick : David Morgan................................................................
7th pick : Stephen Weatherly Is he on the team?
8th pick : Jayron Kearse... I had hopes for this kid but he has looked terrible. Takes bad angles and has bad instincts and tackling.


1) It's been 10 games
2) You have downplayed the accomplishments of several of the rookies. For example Alexander played after rhodes came out and we gave up nothing but FGs. It is known that Zimmer runs a tight defensive scheme and rookies struggle to get it. Waynes looked terrible last season for stretches and now he has relaxed some.

3) I never liked the Beavers pick but he was a 4th rounder.
Morgan has been banged up.

Saying this is the worst rookie class because several of the players aren't contributing on a Vet heavy team is silly.


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Like Joe mentioned above we are facing a major financial problem next year too. Bradford's contract and Peterson's? Say what you will about Peterson, but look at the running game without him. So we have no first round pick, may need a running back, and basically an entire offensive line things don't look very promising. I'm not sure how you get all of these things in one off season. I just hope Bradford isn't the next one carted off.


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Maybe we can move up in the draft or one of these guys will fall to us in the 2nd.
Fournette
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Dalvin Cook
I Kinda like D'Onta Foreman from Texas 6'1" 245 pounds.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQvyEG-Dc3s
I don't want Mcaffery, I dont think he has the body type to be a RB in the NFL.


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Like Joe mentioned above we are facing a major financial problem next year too. Bradford's contract and Peterson's? Say what you will about Peterson, but look at the running game without him. So we have no first round pick, may need a running back, and basically an entire offensive line things don't look very promising. I'm not sure how you get all of these things in one off season. I just hope Bradford isn't the next one carted off.


Peterson has to be let go if he refuses to take a pay cut. Extend Sam for 2 years and toss a crap load of money at the oline. Invest draft picks too. We have to become atleast average on the oline.


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This years draft has to be one of the worst in the history of the NFL. I blame Speilman fully.

1st pick : Treadwell WR. He has the same number of catches this year as our starting QB, Nuff said
2nd pick : Alexander CB. He looks completely over matched in every facet of the game when he is in there.
3rd pick : Beavers OL. Is he off the team?
4th pick : Kentrell Brothers. Atleast he is contributing on special teams.....
5th pick : Boehringer. Terrible pick IMO
6th pick : David Morgan................................................................
7th pick : Stephen Weatherly Is he on the team?
8th pick : Jayron Kearse... I had hopes for this kid but he has looked terrible. Takes bad angles and has bad instincts and tackling.


This is laughable. So Treadwell is a bust because he hasnt played much yet? And so is Alexander because of how he played in his first bit of action recently? And you're criticizing a 7th round pick saying he looks terrible?

Sooooo where do I start? lol. I really dont even want to get into this because you are clearly in panic mode and are looking for someone to blame. So all I will really say is......

Trae Waynes. My guess is you were one of the guys last year saying "He's a bust, he looks terrible, he cant even get on the field", etc. I'll let you re-think and you can get back to me anytime :)

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Norv Zimmer wrote:
This years draft has to be one of the worst in the history of the NFL. I blame Speilman fully.

1st pick : Treadwell WR. He has the same number of catches this year as our starting QB, Nuff said
2nd pick : Alexander CB. He looks completely over matched in every facet of the game when he is in there.
3rd pick : Beavers OL. Is he off the team?
4th pick : Kentrell Brothers. Atleast he is contributing on special teams.....
5th pick : Boehringer. Terrible pick IMO
6th pick : David Morgan................................................................
7th pick : Stephen Weatherly Is he on the team?
8th pick : Jayron Kearse... I had hopes for this kid but he has looked terrible. Takes bad angles and has bad instincts and tackling.


This is laughable. So Treadwell is a bust because he hasnt played much yet? And so is Alexander because of how he played in his first bit of action recently? And you're criticizing a 7th round pick saying he looks terrible?

Sooooo where do I start? lol. I really dont even want to get into this because you are clearly in panic mode and are looking for someone to blame. So all I will really say is......

Trae Waynes. My guess is you were one of the guys last year saying "He's a bust, he looks terrible, he cant even get on the field", etc. I'll let you re-think and you can get back to me anytime :)


Yes, I am saying Treadwell is looking like a bust because he hasnt played much. It seems to me that him not playing much IS HIS FAULT! If he can't beat out Charles Johnson or any one of our WR when he is healthy then I would say he is looking like a bust.

And no I am not in panic mode, and looking for someone to blame.... I thought I put the blame on Speilman.


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Like Joe mentioned above we are facing a major financial problem next year too. Bradford's contract and Peterson's? Say what you will about Peterson, but look at the running game without him. So we have no first round pick, may need a running back, and basically an entire offensive line things don't look very promising. I'm not sure how you get all of these things in one off season. I just hope Bradford isn't the next one carted off.


Peterson has to be let go if he refuses to take a pay cut. Extend Sam for 2 years and toss a crap load of money at the oline. Invest draft picks too. We have to become atleast average on the oline.


I say you almost have to let go AP. You have to extend Bradford as well. If we dont extend Sam we could end up with the possibility of starting off with Hill or some backup next year until Teddy gets back.....IF Teddy gets back. AP would have to take a major major pay cut. I love the RB class coming up. Lot of big time talent. Very similar to the class of a few years ago with Gordon, Gurley, Johnson, Coleman, Ajayi, Jones, etc.

It would suck seeing AP walk but its something we are going to have to do I think. Or if possible, which I doubt, trade him for a decent OL.

As much as some won't want to hear this, we need to take a step back from drafting defensive players this year. Get some depth late in the draft but honestly, I want OL, OL, RB....in any specific order. That is how our top 3 picks should go. Remember guys, we have nobody leaving on this defense next year. We lose Greenway to retirement but I think Lamur is a better option already to begin with. We have no major holes to really fill on this defense. Sendejo isnt ticking me off as much this year like he usually does. That's more Asiata and Blair Walsh

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This years draft has to be one of the worst in the history of the NFL. I blame Speilman fully.

1st pick : Treadwell WR. He has the same number of catches this year as our starting QB, Nuff said
2nd pick : Alexander CB. He looks completely over matched in every facet of the game when he is in there.
3rd pick : Beavers OL. Is he off the team?
4th pick : Kentrell Brothers. Atleast he is contributing on special teams.....
5th pick : Boehringer. Terrible pick IMO
6th pick : David Morgan................................................................
7th pick : Stephen Weatherly Is he on the team?
8th pick : Jayron Kearse... I had hopes for this kid but he has looked terrible. Takes bad angles and has bad instincts and tackling.


This is laughable. So Treadwell is a bust because he hasnt played much yet? And so is Alexander because of how he played in his first bit of action recently? And you're criticizing a 7th round pick saying he looks terrible?

Sooooo where do I start? lol. I really dont even want to get into this because you are clearly in panic mode and are looking for someone to blame. So all I will really say is......

Trae Waynes. My guess is you were one of the guys last year saying "He's a bust, he looks terrible, he cant even get on the field", etc. I'll let you re-think and you can get back to me anytime :)


Yes, I am saying Treadwell is looking like a bust because he hasnt played much. It seems to me that him not playing much IS HIS FAULT! If he can't beat out Charles Johnson or any one of our WR when he is healthy then I would say he is looking like a bust.

And no I am not in panic mode, and looking for someone to blame.... I thought I put the blame on Speilman.


Waynes isnt a bust and he didnt play much at all last year, nor did he look good in action. So answer me that? Yeah and by putting the blame on Spielman falls under the category of "looking for someone to blame".

Let me guess, you're going to blame him for not taking an OL in the first round right?? Well did you know that there was 1 offensive tackle that went between our pick at 23 and the beginning of the 3rd round?? As for Alexander, if I recall correctly, Munnerlyn is in a contract year and Newman is a year or two max away from retiring. Say we dont pick Alexander in the 2nd. What do we do next year if Newman retires and Munnerlyn walks???? Start Jabari Price in the slot??

You actually have to look into the reasoning behind these picks and the way Zimmer works with his high draft picks. Not just come out and practically say "Wow they all suck and Spielman is an idiot, what could he have possibly been thinking".

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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
YikesVikes wrote:
mosscarter wrote:
Like Joe mentioned above we are facing a major financial problem next year too. Bradford's contract and Peterson's? Say what you will about Peterson, but look at the running game without him. So we have no first round pick, may need a running back, and basically an entire offensive line things don't look very promising. I'm not sure how you get all of these things in one off season. I just hope Bradford isn't the next one carted off.


Peterson has to be let go if he refuses to take a pay cut. Extend Sam for 2 years and toss a crap load of money at the oline. Invest draft picks too. We have to become atleast average on the oline.


I say you almost have to let go AP. You have to extend Bradford as well. If we dont extend Sam we could end up with the possibility of starting off with Hill or some backup next year until Teddy gets back.....IF Teddy gets back. AP would have to take a major major pay cut. I love the RB class coming up. Lot of big time talent. Very similar to the class of a few years ago with Gordon, Gurley, Johnson, Coleman, Ajayi, Jones, etc.

It would suck seeing AP walk but its something we are going to have to do I think. Or if possible, which I doubt, trade him for a decent OL.

As much as some won't want to hear this, we need to take a step back from drafting defensive players this year. Get some depth late in the draft but honestly, I want OL, OL, RB....in any specific order. That is how our top 3 picks should go. Remember guys, we have nobody leaving on this defense next year. We lose Greenway to retirement but I think Lamur is a better option already to begin with. We have no major holes to really fill on this defense. Sendejo isnt ticking me off as much this year like he usually does. That's more Asiata and Blair Walsh


The only way we don't release AP is if he takes significantly less money. I think they will see how Teddy is coming along before they extend Sam. I can't see any team trading for AP considering his contract, he would have to reduce it before the trade I think.

Any way you look at it I am scared for next year this team has too many holes and too little draft picks to fill them. We also have very little cap space to help fill the holes.


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Any way you look at it I am scared for next year this team has too many holes and too little draft picks to fill them. We also have very little cap space to help fill the holes.


Disagree again. They have holes on the offensive side. I wouldnt say on the defensive side. Also, we have 2 third round picks and 2 fourth round picks next year. You're just saying we have "too little draft picks" because we dont have a first. Our draft next year looks like:

2nd
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3rd (via Miami)
4th
4th (via Miami)
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This is laughable. So Treadwell is a bust because he hasnt played much yet? And so is Alexander because of how he played in his first bit of action recently? And you're criticizing a 7th round pick saying he looks terrible?

Sooooo where do I start? lol. I really dont even want to get into this because you are clearly in panic mode and are looking for someone to blame. So all I will really say is......

Trae Waynes. My guess is you were one of the guys last year saying "He's a bust, he looks terrible, he cant even get on the field", etc. I'll let you re-think and you can get back to me anytime :)[/quote]

Yes, I am saying Treadwell is looking like a bust because he hasnt played much. It seems to me that him not playing much IS HIS FAULT! If he can't beat out Charles Johnson or any one of our WR when he is healthy then I would say he is looking like a bust.

And no I am not in panic mode, and looking for someone to blame.... I thought I put the blame on Speilman.[/quote]

Waynes isnt a bust and he didnt play much at all last year, nor did he look good in action. So answer me that? Yeah and by putting the blame on Spielman falls under the category of "looking for someone to blame".

Let me guess, you're going to blame him for not taking an OL in the first round right?? Well did you know that there was 1 offensive tackle that went between our pick at 23 and the beginning of the 3rd round?? As for Alexander, if I recall correctly, Munnerlyn is in a contract year and Newman is a year or two max away from retiring. Say we dont pick Alexander in the 2nd. What do we do next year if Newman retires and Munnerlyn walks???? Start Jabari Price in the slot??

You actually have to look into the reasoning behind these picks and the way Zimmer works with his high draft picks. Not just come out and practically say "Wow they all suck and Spielman is an idiot, what could he have possibly been thinking".[/quote]

I wasn't talking about Waynes, but since you bring him up would you really call him a success I don't, not yet anyway.

Yeah and by putting the blame on Spielman falls under the category of "looking for someone to blame".
How can I be looking for someone to blame when clearly I put the blame on somebody?

I can have a opinion on the high draft picks, especially when you see other rookie receivers having success and contributing on their teams.
Michael Thomas, Tajae Sharpe, Will Fuller, Sterling Shepard, Tyler Boyd, Corey Coleman are all having decent seasons at receiver. If these guys can contribute and Treadwell can't I have to believe that the fault is on Treadwell.

You don't have to agree with me on this, but to say I am flat out laughable and wrong for thinking this way is pretty laughable by yourself.


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Rename this thread "Panic Room." :lol:


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Spielman and Zimmer are both excellent at their jobs
They gave been hit HARD by injuries this year. I'd like you see AP retire a Vikings but that will be up to him. They have to keep Sam and rebuild the oline.

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I wouldn't say our draft is a bust. Especially treadwell, I think it's on the coaching staff that keeps johnson as the starter..... I mean why??? He only has like 7 rec 100 yards on season for a no. 2 reciever. Why he continues to see more reps than patterson, thielen, and treadwell, idk. But it's ####.

I felt our offense did pretty good yesterday besides a couple drives that reverted back to norv turner statis and ran ugly run plays. Bradford is like 61/82 I think in last 2 games. It's just stupid 3rd and shorts that we don't convert that kill the drives. Why asiata gets more carries than mckinnon or even hillman idk. That's abother wtf on coaching staff.

I think the biggest concern besides obviously the o line, is the defense. They do not get pressure anymore and don't have sacks. Funny how when our offense starts to shine the defense becomes lacking.


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I wouldn't say our draft is a bust. Especially treadwell, I think it's on the coaching staff that keeps johnson as the starter..... I mean why??? He only has like 7 rec 100 yards on season for a no. 2 reciever. Why he continues to see more reps than patterson, thielen, and treadwell, idk. But it's ####.

I felt our offense did pretty good yesterday besides a couple drives that reverted back to norv turner statis and ran ugly run plays. Bradford is like 61/82 I think in last 2 games. It's just stupid 3rd and shorts that we don't convert that kill the drives. Why asiata gets more carries than mckinnon or even hillman idk. That's abother wtf on coaching staff.

I think the biggest concern besides obviously the o line, is the defense. They do not get pressure anymore and don't have sacks. Funny how when our offense starts to shine the defense becomes lacking.


Treadwell was inactive on Sunday due to an injury or else I think (I hope), he was set to build off his career high one reception from two weekends ago.

Bradford's numbers are nice, all things considered. I just wish he was a bit more mobile.

The defense I think will be ok.


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Rick owns the offense line problem...we should have drafted 2 decent offensive linemen this year instead of our 4th round Willie Beavers as our offensive line salvation.
Rick also should have got rid of Kalil and picked up a decent FA tackle.
Where would we be right now if he would have done that?

Our wide receivers situation is a hot mess. Don't know if that is George Stewart's problem or Norv's and Ricks.
Last 2 years Flash is benched. Give Wright a decent contract then bench him this year. And it's funny Wallace is having a big year this year for Ravens.
I think Norv walked because Rick didn't get him any help on the offensive line before the deadline. But that is just my opinion.
Raiders done what we should have done and how is that working for them?


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I agree with this post topic title, and it was actually phrased in a nice way.

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Of course the O-line is the route to our shortcomings this year. I think any football fan can identify that.
However, as far as not drafting a lineman in the first two rounds, i think we were 100% right not to.
Here's my reasoning, and i assume Slick's, as its the only logical reason i can find.
In this draft, i believe Rick was selecting with the view that this teams best chance to win an SB was in the next two years. A lot of the top players are in their "golden years" and the youngster studs are experienced enough now to play at a top level. So Rick was selecting for this purpose, with the future being an after thought. In my view, rightly so.
To help out Teddy, we needed a big bodied receiver to give him somewhere to go. Treadwell was always going to be the guy, and i still have hope he can be. Who would of thought, Thielen, Wright, Patterson and co would step up like they have. Hopefully this will give Treadwell the competition to become the receiver we hope he is.
So the no.1 pick looking at the immediate future.
Mackenzie Alexander is a pick that they've made for Captain and Newman to groom as the new Nickel for the next couple of years before they hang them up. I don't care how much abuse Waynes seems to get, i see a lot of good stuff from him as well as the errors. I reckon him and Rhodes will be a cracking tandem for years to come. Slotting another young back in at nickel with the rest of this young secondary means we are set at the back for a very long time. Okay this is not immediate cover for the superbowl push, but after Alexander, theres not a right lot left at corner. A decent backup for now, with a thought for the future.
Willie Beavers was the back up for the O-line, and we are yet to see if he will work out. Although as we haven't seen him yet, and the line has been decimated since we drafted him. I'm not that hopeful.
The point is, i don't know how much you can put this on Slick. At the time of the draft, our O-line was:
Kalil,
Fusco,
Sullivan,
Boone,
Loadholt

..........and Smith waiting in the wings.
This Line if fit, would of been serviceable at worst.

There aren't many rookies (especially in this draft) who you could plug and play straight into an NFL line. So with Rick looking at the immediate future, i think he was spot on the way he went.
Hopefully his draft choices will work out also, like so many of his have already done so.

Our only route next year for me is to pick up lineman in free agency. To free the necessary cap space, someone has got to go. Probably AD. I still believe in Jet. I just think he's stuck behind an unmanageable line.


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Of course the O-line is the route to our shortcomings this year. I think any football fan can identify that.
However, as far as not drafting a lineman in the first two rounds, i think we were 100% right not to.
Here's my reasoning, and i assume Slick's, as its the only logical reason i can find.
In this draft, i believe Rick was selecting with the view that this teams best chance to win an SB was in the next two years. A lot of the top players are in their "golden years" and the youngster studs are experienced enough now to play at a top level. So Rick was selecting for this purpose, with the future being an after thought. In my view, rightly so.
To help out Teddy, we needed a big bodied receiver to give him somewhere to go. Treadwell was always going to be the guy, and i still have hope he can be. Who would of thought, Thielen, Wright, Patterson and co would step up like they have. Hopefully this will give Treadwell the competition to become the receiver we hope he is.
So the no.1 pick looking at the immediate future.
Mackenzie Alexander is a pick that they've made for Captain and Newman to groom as the new Nickel for the next couple of years before they hang them up. I don't care how much abuse Waynes seems to get, i see a lot of good stuff from him as well as the errors. I reckon him and Rhodes will be a cracking tandem for years to come. Slotting another young back in at nickel with the rest of this young secondary means we are set at the back for a very long time. Okay this is not immediate cover for the superbowl push, but after Alexander, theres not a right lot left at corner. A decent backup for now, with a thought for the future.
Willie Beavers was the back up for the O-line, and we are yet to see if he will work out. Although as we haven't seen him yet, and the line has been decimated since we drafted him. I'm not that hopeful.
The point is, i don't know how much you can put this on Slick. At the time of the draft, our O-line was:
Kalil,
Fusco,
Sullivan,
Boone,
Loadholt

..........and Smith waiting in the wings.
This Line if fit, would of been serviceable at worst.

There aren't many rookies (especially in this draft) who you could plug and play straight into an NFL line. So with Rick looking at the immediate future, i think he was spot on the way he went.
Hopefully his draft choices will work out also, like so many of his have already done so.

Our only route next year for me is to pick up lineman in free agency. To free the necessary cap space, someone has got to go. Probably AD. I still believe in Jet. I just think he's stuck behind an unmanageable line.


Kalil was one of the worst rated left tackles in the leauge.
Fusco was terrible at left guard, that's why they moved him back to right guard. In which he isn't doing good this year
Sullivan & Loadholt was both trying to come back from major injuries. Phil retired and Sully got cut.
Smith declined greatly the last 2 years and that's why the Bengals wouldn't even sign him.
That line looks like a hot dumpster fire to me....
There are offensive rookies playing this year and some are doing a decent job.


Unfortunely there is nothing in this left tackle FA class barring unexpected cuts.


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Of course the O-line is the route to our shortcomings this year. I think any football fan can identify that.
However, as far as not drafting a lineman in the first two rounds, i think we were 100% right not to.
Here's my reasoning, and i assume Slick's, as its the only logical reason i can find.
In this draft, i believe Rick was selecting with the view that this teams best chance to win an SB was in the next two years. A lot of the top players are in their "golden years" and the youngster studs are experienced enough now to play at a top level. So Rick was selecting for this purpose, with the future being an after thought. In my view, rightly so.
To help out Teddy, we needed a big bodied receiver to give him somewhere to go. Treadwell was always going to be the guy, and i still have hope he can be. Who would of thought, Thielen, Wright, Patterson and co would step up like they have. Hopefully this will give Treadwell the competition to become the receiver we hope he is.
So the no.1 pick looking at the immediate future.
Mackenzie Alexander is a pick that they've made for Captain and Newman to groom as the new Nickel for the next couple of years before they hang them up. I don't care how much abuse Waynes seems to get, i see a lot of good stuff from him as well as the errors. I reckon him and Rhodes will be a cracking tandem for years to come. Slotting another young back in at nickel with the rest of this young secondary means we are set at the back for a very long time. Okay this is not immediate cover for the superbowl push, but after Alexander, theres not a right lot left at corner. A decent backup for now, with a thought for the future.
Willie Beavers was the back up for the O-line, and we are yet to see if he will work out. Although as we haven't seen him yet, and the line has been decimated since we drafted him. I'm not that hopeful.
The point is, i don't know how much you can put this on Slick. At the time of the draft, our O-line was:
Kalil,
Fusco,
Sullivan,
Boone,
Loadholt

..........and Smith waiting in the wings.
This Line if fit, would of been serviceable at worst.

There aren't many rookies (especially in this draft) who you could plug and play straight into an NFL line. So with Rick looking at the immediate future, i think he was spot on the way he went.
Hopefully his draft choices will work out also, like so many of his have already done so.

Our only route next year for me is to pick up lineman in free agency. To free the necessary cap space, someone has got to go. Probably AD. I still believe in Jet. I just think he's stuck behind an unmanageable line.


Kalil was one of the worst rated left tackles in the leauge.
Fusco was terrible at left guard, that's why they moved him back to right guard. In which he isn't doing good this year
Sullivan & Loadholt was both trying to come back from major injuries. Phil retired and Sully got cut.
Smith declined greatly the last 2 years and that's why the Bengals wouldn't even sign him.
That line looks like a hot dumpster fire to me....
There are offensive rookies playing this year and some are doing a decent job.


Unfortunely there is nothing in this left tackle FA class barring unexpected cuts.


I am aware of where these players are now. I wasn't saying they'd be world beaters. But if everything fell right with this group (no injuries etc), then they could of been serviceable.
My point is, i can see why Rick went elsewhere. They gambled that this group would of played together, and looked elsewhere to fill other gaps.
I have no doubt in my mind, that the O-line will be overhauled next off-season, as theres literally nothing left


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Don't forget, we also brought in a qb in that ate most of our cap space, who is now useless since the rest of the team turned to crap. They cannot fix this mess if they wanted to.
Hopefully spielman is out the door. Wr was the last position requiring a first round pick last year. He has never addressed the line issues, never brought in a capable back up, or at least a prospect, which led to the awful Bradford deal, and didn't address the Walsh issue. But there is always next season.


and you think there is something else he could have done for QB other than the Bradford deal to make this season better? I'm all ears. I'm also curious who you think was an available and competent backup that would have been as good as Bradford.

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I am so glad some of you aren't general managers


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Kalil, Fusco, Clemmings, Sully(with ruptured discs in his back) Loadholt (coming off 2 torn achilles), etc were NOT a reasonable plan. It was a fools errand. It was laziness on the part of Spielman.
Anyone who thinks Spielman has been doing an acceptable job as a GM in regards to building an OL is drunk on the kool-aid


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I can have a opinion on the high draft picks, especially when you see other rookie receivers having success and contributing on their teams.
Michael Thomas, Tajae Sharpe, Will Fuller, Sterling Shepard, Tyler Boyd, Corey Coleman are all having decent seasons at receiver. If these guys can contribute and Treadwell can't I have to believe that the fault is on Treadwell.

You don't have to agree with me on this, but to say I am flat out laughable and wrong for thinking this way is pretty laughable by yourself.


And you've literally ignored every time I've brought up Trae Waynes. You havent figured out this coaching staff yet? Like I said, you were probably a guy that ripped Waynes last year because he "wasn't playing so he must be a bust". And that is now what you are saying about Treadwell and even Alexander. That's probably the most illogical way of thinking I've ever seen on this board. I said the same thing last year regarding Waynes. Everyone is so worried about what everyone else is doing in the league.

Your only backing to this is, "Well everyone else is contributing and he's not so he's a bust". You've yet to address anything I've said about Waynes, the lack of OL when we picked, the reasoning behind these picks, .....nothing. So like I said, for you to say "he isn't playing so he must be a bust" is very laughable. Because it has zero backing behind it. You're comparing him to other rookies 10 games into his rookie year. No less he's been hurt for a few of them. And I will tell you why it's an illogical way of thinking..... there was a guy that proved you wrong last year that was a first rounder (assuming you were a Waynes hater based on your attitude towards the draft this year).

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I am so glad some of you aren't general managers


lol I've said this plenty of times before. Unless they were the GM of the Packers. Then I'd be all for it

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