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The Vikings announced that Vikings offensive coordinator Norv Turner has resigned, and would be replaced in the interim by Pat Shurmur.

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Ask and you'll receive.
So who's at the top of the list?
I wasn't gunning for him to go, but i must admit, i'm a lot more excited about sunday now.


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Kind of sad but it badly needed to happen. I wonder if Zimmer had a conversation with Norv and this was the end result.

I don't know what Shurmur can do but I hope he can at least see the big picture, adapt the offense to play to its strengths (yes, it has some) and compensate for the weaknesses. And I hope there won't be any more pounding players into a system that doesn't fit.

If nothing else, looking ahead there is now room for a better placed offensive philosophy going into the next draft and free agency.


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it still kinda sucks that the guys on the OL get paid for sucking and the OC pays the price.....and Spielman, the guy truly responsible for the whole mess is will likely go untouched.


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Someone on Reddit thought that maybe Shurmur was calling and designing the plays during Bradford's first 4 starts because of their familiarity with each other and then Norv took over on both of those duties during the bye week and clearly performed worse than Shurmur.


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Someone on Reddit thought that maybe Shurmur was calling and designing the plays during Bradford's first 4 starts because of their familiarity with each other and then Norv took over on both of those duties during the bye week and clearly performed worse than Shurmur.


That is a interesting theory.

I am excited about this, but it is about time. 3 years with the team and the offense has never improved and always been at the bottom of the league.


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Someone on Reddit thought that maybe Shurmur was calling and designing the plays during Bradford's first 4 starts because of their familiarity with each other and then Norv took over on both of those duties during the bye week and clearly performed worse than Shurmur.

Sounds more like that poster is grasping for straws trying to figure out what happened to the offense, but we can all hope it goes back to the first 4-5 weeks at least. It's an enjoyable theory because it gives hope :)

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So, how many games before people start calling for Shurmurs head?

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I guarantee this makes Bradford do a happy dance.


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Wow.

Things clearly weren't working out with Turner as the OC but I think he was dealt a bad hand this year. As Craig suggested, I'm guessing this was a resignation prompted by a behind-the-scenes conversation rather than an entirely voluntary decision.

We'll see what Shurmur can do.

Like the Davidson-for-Sparano move, I fear this addresses a symptom rather than the underlying cause of the Vikings offensive problems but sometimes treating symptoms can lead to improvement.


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it still kinda sucks that the guys on the OL get paid for sucking and the OC pays the price.....and Spielman, the guy truly responsible for the whole mess is will likely go untouched.


Well, if your offensive line is weak, you stop calling for deep drops and run a few screen passes.
I'm guessing that Zim and Norv were seeing things a bit differently.

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So, how many games before people start calling for Shurmurs head?


Why wait? Fire Shurmur!


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it still kinda sucks that the guys on the OL get paid for sucking and the OC pays the price.....and Spielman, the guy truly responsible for the whole mess is will likely go untouched.


And I've said this multiple times, people can complain about Spielman all they want but let's not forget the talent he's brought in on this roster. You could say Carolinas GM is terrible because of their defensive backfield issue, or Seattles GM is bad for not focusing more on offensive line or John Elway is terrible for not preparing for life after Peyton Manning. You can say that about every GM in the NFL. Let's not forget that this whole offensive line thing could have something to do with Zim as well because he wants to build up his defense

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As for the Turner move, I love it. He needs to go. And it's not necessarily because of the OL. He's just so predictable, knows he has a bad line and still has Bradford doing 7 step drops from under center and runs Matt Asiata like he's Walter Payton

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If Norv is gone....is Scott too?

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Best wishes to Norv! But I'm happy to see him go.

Will say I'm sure it was a tough decision for Zimmer, but he had the balls to try and get things back on track :thumbsup:


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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
chicagopurple wrote:
it still kinda sucks that the guys on the OL get paid for sucking and the OC pays the price.....and Spielman, the guy truly responsible for the whole mess is will likely go untouched.


And I've said this multiple times, people can complain about Spielman all they want but let's not forget the talent he's brought in on this roster.


Nobody's forgetting it. He's had his successes but thus far, they haven't been enough to sufficiently offset his failures.

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Let's not forget that this whole offensive line thing could have something to do with Zim as well because he wants to build up his defense


It likely does but Zimmer works for Spielman, not the other way around.


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Raptorman wrote:
So, how many games before people start calling for Shurmurs head?


I'm hoping Pat will do good. He seemed to do a good job with the Eagles QB's.
Hopefully he will start working with the offenses strengths.


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Best thing to happen to the vikings since the bye week. This needed to happen, so sick of seeing runs on every first down, 7 step drops when our offensive line won't even let bradford get 3.
Hopefully shurmur clicks with Bradford and the offense and they start producing more points to help out our no. 1 defense.
Personally I'd start with Charles johnson not being a starting wide reciever, thank you.


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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
If Norv is gone....is Scott too?




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Scott Turner is staying on the Vikings staff as quarterbacks coach


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Been busy moving rough few weeks.


I for one am glad for this, I think Norv was struggling to adapt after he was able to get a little taste of his classic SD offensive at the beginning of the year.


Just to call it now, on Sunday our first series will be;

Run up the gut.
Run up the gut.
Sacked trying to throw a bomb.
Punt.

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Nah I bet we don't even run on the first drive.
Make a statement, spread the defense out.

Hopefully mckinnon is back.


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Nah I bet we don't even run on the first drive.
Make a statement, spread the defense out.

Hopefully mckinnon is back.


I cant count the number of times we have all said something like that and we go run run pass punt. :x


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As one of the biggest anti-norv guys here obviously I think the change is thoroughly needed but it still kind of sucks from the human perspective that things just didn't work out. Always seemed like a classy guy and good person.

We can only guess but it seems like when Bradford first got here things became really simplified and there was an emphasis on getting the ball out quickly / on time and as more and more of the offense was installed more and more of the longer developing plays began to rear their ugly head again. It began to look EXACTLY like it did for Teddy last year where I put more of the blame on Norv and his play calling / offense than Teddy just holding the ball to long. (though of course there WERE times Teddy held the ball to long)

Now we know that is more than likely accurate because we saw Bradford go from a guy who was very decisive and getting rid of the ball quickly to the same thing that happened to Teddy last year. Now maybe Bradford just forgot how to be a QB after the bye but I doubt it.

Very excited to see what happens with Shurmur, he's gotten a lot of out of Bradford in the past and hopefully he's more willing to play to our strengths and do what we can to mask our O-line issues. The big questions that I can't wait to see answered are what kind of use he will get out of Patterson / Treadwell and if we become less predictable on first down or any other down.

Another thing is that Norv's system wasn't really a good fit for Teddy anyway. We don't know Teddy's future but this is a plus for him as well.


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Well, changing coordinators wont help the turnstile on the right side of the line, Fusco and Clemmings will still probably be there.


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Bench Johnson, start Treadwell.


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IrishViking wrote:
AlldayPotter wrote:
Nah I bet we don't even run on the first drive.
Make a statement, spread the defense out.

Hopefully mckinnon is back.


I cant count the number of times we have all said something like that and we go run run pass punt. :x


My thoughts exactly. I'm concerned about it.

Well, here's hoping the Vikings get more creative and hopefully successful on offense. They don't need to lead the league but they really should be playing at least average NFL level.


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As one of the biggest anti-norv guys here obviously I think the change is thoroughly needed but it still kind of sucks from the human perspective that things just didn't work out. Always seemed like a classy guy and good person.


Yes and if this is his last hurrah as an NFL coach, it's a bummer to see him exit this way, mid-season.

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We can only guess but it seems like when Bradford first got here things became really simplified and there was an emphasis on getting the ball out quickly / on time and as more and more of the offense was installed more and more of the longer developing plays began to rear their ugly head again. It began to look EXACTLY like it did for Teddy last year where I put more of the blame on Norv and his play calling / offense than Teddy just holding the ball to long. (though of course there WERE times Teddy held the ball to long)

Now we know that is more than likely accurate because we saw Bradford go from a guy who was very decisive and getting rid of the ball quickly to the same thing that happened to Teddy last year. Now maybe Bradford just forgot how to be a QB after the bye but I doubt it.


The slower-developing plays began to "rear their head" because you can't call nothing but quick passes and ineffective running plays and expect to score points. Defenses saw how heavily the Vikes were leaning on those quick-developing routes and adjusted. I'll ask you what I just asked Irish Viking in another thread: what's the counter to that? The o-line is awful and a one-dimensional offense is easy to defend.


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Jim, Zimmer already answered your question when he said the OL need to find it in themselves to get better. That will allow for more diversity.

The bigger question is can they do it? The Coaching Crucible is here. How they come out of it will determine the outcome of the season.

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/11/02/report-norv-turner-resigns-as-vikings-offensive-coordinator/

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The Vikings announced that Vikings offensive coordinator Norv Turner has resigned, and would be replaced in the interim by Pat Shurmur.



The article acts as if this were some tragedy that would set our otherwise formidable offense back. Norv had some fresh ideas in the 90s; it's 2016.

I'm glad about this news, it was due time. My guess is Zimmer and Spielman talked and decided to make this move; couldn't have been easy.


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