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this is the worst offensive line performance i've every seen, followed by the second worst which was last week. if they don't do something as far as a trade goes, so long to this season. nobody can possibly perform behind this line. this offense is a pee-wee level offense and are downright sickening to watch. the problem is; we'll have to give up a ton in order to get a lineman, so it appears to me we are stuck in a lose lose situation. long and clemmings shouldn't even be in the nfl period--let alone both starting.


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It's all about chemistry and a little bit of talent. I don't think a trade will help. Then again it could help. Time will tell.


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Trade ain't gonna help us, it's our entire offensive line , 1 guy isn't gonna help. It's coaching that will help. Plus Boone is out and god knows how bad it is.....


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How can a trade not help???? And what chemistry?? This line has no chemistry. You're going to tell me that if we get Thomas or Staley or some kid off a high school team it won't be better than what we have??? This team is doomed if we don't make some kind of move for a tackle. Literally doomed. Clemmings is embarrassing. There is literally NOBODY on this roster than can help either tackle spot. So somebody please come up with a better solution. Ill tell you right now there isn't one.

We have nobody leaving on defense next year. We need line and a RB. I can live with what we have if there if blocking up front. Even though Asiata has no right being on an NFL roster. What kind of lineman are you gonna get to the mid to late second round that can come in and start at RT or LT. Not a whole lot. Trade our second and a player and get a damn offensive tackle. I'd be pounding my fist on the table if I was Zim because this team is going nowhere with these tackles

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Trade ain't gonna help us, it's our entire offensive line , 1 guy isn't gonna help. It's coaching that will help. Plus Boone is out and god knows how bad it is.....


And it has nothing to do with coaching. Sporano is one of the better OL coaches in the league but when all you have is two OTs that are backups and are horrendous, you need to do something. Do you think Jake Long and Clemmings can go the rest of the year if we had a "good OL coach". Albert Einstein couldn't coach these guys.

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It's unbelievable. We are truly in trouble. We start 5-0, and I really feel we're in danger of not making the playoffs, despite leading the division. Does anybody honestly believe we could beat Green Bay right now?

This was an even worse performance than last week. At least last week, we were playing against a good team. The Bears are not a good team. Their offensive line is just as banged up as ours, but somehow they managed to keep Cutler upright. Their secondary stinks, but we couldn't expose them because our O-line couldn't stop four geezers on walkers from the old folks' home.

And the defense? What the heck just happened? One sack. No turnovers. Letting a rookie running back go wild on them -- 150 yards rushing.

The title of this thread is appropriate. "What a disaster."

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The NFL is a game of matchups and right now any team that has a defensive line has a matchup advantage against us.


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Unfortunately the tackles are such a liability I don't even know what getting Joe would do as the RT spot is even WORSE than the LT spot. I saw Clemmings get destroyed basically every play.


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this is the worst offensive line performance i've every seen, followed by the second worst which was last week. if they don't do something as far as a trade goes, so long to this season. nobody can possibly perform behind this line. this offense is a pee-wee level offense and are downright sickening to watch. the problem is; we'll have to give up a ton in order to get a lineman, so it appears to me we are stuck in a lose lose situation. long and clemmings shouldn't even be in the nfl period--let alone both starting.


Who you going to blame everything on now that Teddy is no no long playing?


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i think bradford has proved he can make throws teddy could never make. he made one on 4th down near the end of the game. it doesn't matter who is the quarterback. this line is worse than the line we fielded the last two years. we have a receiver that we drafted in the first round sitting the bench, an offensive game plan i could draw up in my basement prior to the game, and you are talking about bridgewater? the team won 5 convincing games without him. don't worry though, if you have it your way we'll have bridgewater dinking and dunking this time next year like a professional. give bradford a real offensive line and he would throw for 25/30 td's.


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Trade ain't gonna help us, it's our entire offensive line , 1 guy isn't gonna help. It's coaching that will help. Plus Boone is out and god knows how bad it is.....


And it has nothing to do with coaching. Sporano is one of the better OL coaches in the league but when all you have is two OTs that are backups and are horrendous, you need to do something. Do you think Jake Long and Clemmings can go the rest of the year if we had a "good OL coach". Albert Einstein couldn't coach these guys.


It has everything to do with coaching. Anyone can coach HOF talent to victory. Its the coaches job to get results with what they have, and they couldn't be doing worse with what they have. Norv Turner has had 3 years to improve the offense and he has only made it worse, then worse again, then a completely inept disaster. Zimmer needs to wake up and get his pinnk slips, because this is on him too.

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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
AlldayPotter wrote:
Trade ain't gonna help us, it's our entire offensive line , 1 guy isn't gonna help. It's coaching that will help. Plus Boone is out and god knows how bad it is.....


And it has nothing to do with coaching. Sporano is one of the better OL coaches in the league but when all you have is two OTs that are backups and are horrendous, you need to do something. Do you think Jake Long and Clemmings can go the rest of the year if we had a "good OL coach". Albert Einstein couldn't coach these guys.


It has everything to do with coaching. Anyone can coach HOF talent to victory. Its the coaches job to get results with what they have, and they couldn't be doing worse with what they have. Norv Turner has had 3 years to improve the offense and he has only made it worse, then worse again, then a completely inept disaster. Zimmer needs to wake up and get his pinnk slips, because this is on him too.


I'm talking from Sporano's point of view. It's not his fault the line is this bad. I'm beyond frustrated with Zimmer and Turner right now believe me. And I'm about to be beyond frustrated with Spielman after we dont make any kind of trade when 4pm ET hits.

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The time to address this OL was over the past.........oh 5-7 offseasons not in a panic move to mortgage even more of our future in a Hail Mary attempt to salvage this season.

One trade isn't fixing anything, it needs a total overhaul

Season over, folks. Suck it up and start working on a coherent plan to at least begin to address this total debacle of an OL in the offseason

Normally this time of year I can at least start looking forward to the Vikings draft position if they are....say...5-11. Oh well.....


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The time to address this OL was over the past.........oh 5-7 offseasons not in a panic move to mortgage even more of our future in a Hail Mary attempt to salvage this season.

One trade isn't fixing anything, it needs a total overhaul


It sure looks that way and they have nobody to blame but themselves.

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Season over, folks. Suck it up and start working on a coherent plan to at least begin to address this total debacle of an OL in the offseason

Normally this time of year I can at least start looking forward to the Vikings draft position if they are....say...5-11. Oh well.....


Start scouting the second round! ;)


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The time to address this OL was over the past.........oh 5-7 offseasons not in a panic move to mortgage even more of our future in a Hail Mary attempt to salvage this season.

One trade isn't fixing anything, it needs a total overhaul

Season over, folks. Suck it up and start working on a coherent plan to at least begin to address this total debacle of an OL in the offseason

Normally this time of year I can at least start looking forward to the Vikings draft position if they are....say...5-11. Oh well.....


Completely disagree. You dont "mortgage the future" by making a trade for Staley or Thomas. Our defense has so much depth that half of our backups could be starting on other teams and we lose next to nobody going into next year. Outside of Greenway which might be a good thing. The offense is clearly the problem. Mainly OL and RB. Both Thomas and Staley have around 3 years left on their contract. So how would that not help??? They are two of the best LTs in the game. Give up a 2nd and Wright or whoever else. Come next year that gives us at least one solid tackle and we can focus on finding a RT.

BOTH of the bums that are injured (Kalil and Smith) hit free agency next year. So what's your plan pal?? Do you think you're going to land a pro bowl LT in the 2nd round?? And the same in the 3rd?? The free agent tackle class isn't ever very strong. We have NO FIRST so we are out of the running from getting a top LT. No matter how good or bad this season finishes. We were at the point last year where we were drafting for depth pretty much with Treadwell and Alexander. It's not like the 2012 Vikings that had 8,000 holes. We have next to no holes on defense. Most OT's that are drafted from the 2nd round on need time to develop.

SO SOMEBODY THAT THINKS A TRADE FOR THOMAS OR STALEY DOES NOTHING FOR THIS TEAM, PLEASE......PLEASE, COME AT ME WITH A BETTER PLAN.

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Start scouting the second round! ;)


Oh, if only that inspired confidence... I just have no confidence in the ability of the scouting department to find good OL talent.


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Mothman wrote:
Start scouting the second round! ;)


Oh, if only that inspired confidence... I just have no confidence in the ability of the scouting department to find good OL talent.


I think Jim was pointing out the fact that we dont have a 1st round pick so 5-11 is out of the question. Remember the Bradford trade?


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Thaumaturgist wrote:
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Start scouting the second round! ;)


Oh, if only that inspired confidence... I just have no confidence in the ability of the scouting department to find good OL talent.


I think Jim was pointing out the fact that we dont have a 1st round pick so 5-11 is out of the question. Remember the Bradford trade?



Yes, that's exactly what I was doing. :)


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with Spielman and his "talent scouts", we are sure to find more overpaid busts for the OL....Wilf better be looking long and hard at making a change in our scouting/drafting crew. Fundamental friggin football.....If you have no front line, you have no chance.....


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You're asking me what my plan is to in 1 week fix a problem that has been festering for YEARS. Sorry, but there isn't a magic wand to fix this, despite how angry or frustrated the fan base might be.

Play out the season, fire Norv, hire a new OC and let him have some input into the type of offense he wants to run and the type of OL he wants. Hopefully in 2 years we can have an OL that is capable of competing, and that the defense can still be at the same level or even better.


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Clemmings for whatever reason actually plays half way decent at left tackle. Maybe he's like Zoolander and can only turn one way but seriously, watch the tape of him at LT and it's not nearly as bad as he is at RT.

This thing really started to implode when we got Jake Long and swapped positions again. With all the injuries I thought we were past just penciling in "named" guys like Kalil and Long that were ineffective. I'd rather play WHOEVER and WHEREVER that's even remotely just OKAY at this point and I thought Clemmings at LT and Sirles at RT showed some promise. Granted the bar is set 5000 feet underground but still.


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Clemmings for whatever reason actually plays half way decent at left tackle.


If you watch closely, he really doesn't... :( He's just been an awful player thus far and he's showing no signs of getting better.


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Clemmings for whatever reason actually plays half way decent at left tackle.


If you watch closely, he really doesn't... :( He's just been an awful player thus far and he's showing no signs of getting better.


TJ Clemmings has a PFF rating of 24.8. That would be the worst rating we have given a tackle in the past decade over a season.


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Clemmings for whatever reason actually plays half way decent at left tackle.


If you watch closely, he really doesn't... :( He's just been an awful player thus far and he's showing no signs of getting better.


TJ Clemmings has a PFF rating of 24.8. That would be the worst rating we have given a tackle in the past decade over a season.



Ouch.


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yeah, he and Long suck and that's all on Norv........ :wallbang:


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You're asking me what my plan is to in 1 week fix a problem that has been festering for YEARS. Sorry, but there isn't a magic wand to fix this, despite how angry or frustrated the fan base might be.

Play out the season, fire Norv, hire a new OC and let him have some input into the type of offense he wants to run and the type of OL he wants. Hopefully in 2 years we can have an OL that is capable of competing, and that the defense can still be at the same level or even better.


That just sounds like "lets just go in tank mode...the season is over" type attitude if you ask me. Boone, Berger and Fusco arent the greatest OL in the world but they can hold up. The tackles can not. By making a trade, you fix one of the two MAJOR problems. Let Long, Sirles and Clemmings battle out the right side. Problem isnt solved but problem is patched up until the offseason. We would be set at LT, set at LG, "set" at C although we need to draft one, right side is a question mark. Unless Harris comes back. Because everyone thought I was brain dead last year because I said Harris was our best OL and now everyone is starting to realize how much Fusco sucks.

Either way I would MUCH rather go into the offseason needing a RG and RT vs. a LT and RT. Guards are much much easier to find than tackles are. How many teams in the last 20 years have had to replace both OTs in the same offseason and didnt have a first round pick?? Those are two positions you DO NOT want empty come the offseason. One needs to be secured before this deadline today

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You're asking me what my plan is to in 1 week fix a problem that has been festering for YEARS. Sorry, but there isn't a magic wand to fix this, despite how angry or frustrated the fan base might be.

Play out the season, fire Norv, hire a new OC and let him have some input into the type of offense he wants to run and the type of OL he wants. Hopefully in 2 years we can have an OL that is capable of competing, and that the defense can still be at the same level or even better.


That just sounds like "lets just go in tank mode...the season is over" type attitude if you ask me. Boone, Berger and Fusco arent the greatest OL in the world but they can hold up. The tackles can not. By making a trade, you fix one of the two MAJOR problems. Let Long, Sirles and Clemmings battle out the right side. Problem isnt solved but problem is patched up until the offseason. We would be set at LT, set at LG, "set" at C although we need to draft one, right side is a question mark. Unless Harris comes back. Because everyone thought I was brain dead last year because I said Harris was our best OL and now everyone is starting to realize how much Fusco sucks.

Either way I would MUCH rather go into the offseason needing a RG and RT vs. a LT and RT. Guards are much much easier to find than tackles are. How many teams in the last 20 years have had to replace both OTs in the same offseason and didnt have a first round pick?? Those are two positions you DO NOT want empty come the offseason. One needs to be secured before this deadline today



Good post. I agree. As long as the deal is reasonable. If we're going to be so darn hesitant with playing him anyway, let's trade Treadwell.


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I think Jim was pointing out the fact that we dont have a 1st round pick so 5-11 is out of the question. Remember the Bradford trade?



Yes, that's exactly what I was doing. :)

Yep, I understood that. The scouting department doesn't inspire me no matter what round we're picking.


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just sounds like "lets just go in tank mode...the season is over" type attitude if you ask me. Boone, Berger and Fusco arent the greatest OL in the world but they can hold up.


Tell me, when does that start. I look forward to seeing it. ;)

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Because everyone thought I was brain dead last year because I said Harris was our best OL and now everyone is starting to realize how much Fusco sucks.


Harris isn't really good either. He's a backup-quality player who looked adequate when playing for the Vikings last year because he was playing next to another backup-quality player and a likely bust.

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Either way I would MUCH rather go into the offseason needing a RG and RT vs. a LT and RT. Guards are much much easier to find than tackles are. How many teams in the last 20 years have had to replace both OTs in the same offseason and didnt have a first round pick?? Those are two positions you DO NOT want empty come the offseason. One needs to be secured before this deadline today


Assuming they can even clear the cap room to make that possible, which seems unlikely...

I guess we'll know if they pulled off a trade soon.


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just sounds like "lets just go in tank mode...the season is over" type attitude if you ask me. Boone, Berger and Fusco arent the greatest OL in the world but they can hold up.


Tell me, when does that start. I look forward to seeing it. ;)

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Because everyone thought I was brain dead last year because I said Harris was our best OL and now everyone is starting to realize how much Fusco sucks.


Harris isn't really good either. He's a backup-quality player who looked adequate when playing for the Vikings last year because he was playing next to another backup-quality player and a likely bust.

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Either way I would MUCH rather go into the offseason needing a RG and RT vs. a LT and RT. Guards are much much easier to find than tackles are. How many teams in the last 20 years have had to replace both OTs in the same offseason and didnt have a first round pick?? Those are two positions you DO NOT want empty come the offseason. One needs to be secured before this deadline today


Assuming they can even clear the cap room to make that possible, which seems unlikely...

I guess we'll know if they pulled off a trade soon.


I'm not getting into this again with you but Mike Harris is a pretty solid starter. I would say average to slightly above average. His PFF grade last year was 77.8 and was the 22nd best guard in the NFL last year according to PFF. That's above average. Whether you like PFF or not, he doesn't get driven back like Fusco does, doesn't give up nearly as much pressure and gets to the second level in the run game. Fuscos rating this year is 51 and was 61 last year. Harris is much better. Plain and simple, Mike Harris is a better RG than Fusco. He's a solid starter. The proof is in the pudding. I've said this for over a year now

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