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I have to say I am somewhat surprised about the neutral to negative sounds of some of these posts regarding the signing of Long. Has everyone watched TJ try to play LT? I live here outside of Pittsburgh and I promise you he is just a servicable RIGHT tackle, I shutter to think of him as a LT the rest of the year.

Long even at this time in his career, is a much, MUCH better option. He's been a LT all his career, he looks like a LT and most importantly "thinks" like a LT. My only concern is his health and he is saying its the first time in years his knees have felt this good and that he was very upset it took this long to get a job.

Even more to the point, I listened to Pat Kirwan today on Sirius as I often do and he talked about Long's ability to hold "if needed" so as not to get Sam killed. Might sound weird but he went on to say "Jake knows how important Sam is to this team and guys who've played LT understand that sometimes you get beat but its better to hold than have your QB get knocked out...the guy playing there now gets beat too sudden and too clean.." To wit I could not agree more.

Pray that Long stays healthy because if he does this is going to be another knock-it-out-of-the-park move by the GM.



Maybe its the fact that this is reading instead of talking but your first paragraph reads like we should be afraid of how crappy he will play, and your other two read as you are excited that he is an upgrade.

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I have to say I am somewhat surprised about the neutral to negative sounds of some of these posts regarding the signing of Long. Has everyone watched TJ try to play LT? I live here outside of Pittsburgh and I promise you he is just a servicable RIGHT tackle, I shutter to think of him as a LT the rest of the year.

Long even at this time in his career, is a much, MUCH better option. He's been a LT all his career, he looks like a LT and most importantly "thinks" like a LT. My only concern is his health and he is saying its the first time in years his knees have felt this good and that he was very upset it took this long to get a job.

Even more to the point, I listened to Pat Kirwan today on Sirius as I often do and he talked about Long's ability to hold "if needed" so as not to get Sam killed. Might sound weird but he went on to say "Jake knows how important Sam is to this team and guys who've played LT understand that sometimes you get beat but its better to hold than have your QB get knocked out...the guy playing there now gets beat too sudden and too clean.." To wit I could not agree more.

Pray that Long stays healthy because if he does this is going to be another knock-it-out-of-the-park move by the GM.



Maybe its the fact that this is reading instead of talking but your first paragraph reads like we should be afraid of how crappy he will play, and your other two read as you are excited that he is an upgrade.

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I think the first paragraph is about TJ, and the next are about Long.


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There's a reason to be negative.

The sun came up?

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IrishViking wrote:
RFIP wrote:
I have to say I am somewhat surprised about the neutral to negative sounds of some of these posts regarding the signing of Long. Has everyone watched TJ try to play LT? I live here outside of Pittsburgh and I promise you he is just a servicable RIGHT tackle, I shutter to think of him as a LT the rest of the year.

Long even at this time in his career, is a much, MUCH better option. He's been a LT all his career, he looks like a LT and most importantly "thinks" like a LT. My only concern is his health and he is saying its the first time in years his knees have felt this good and that he was very upset it took this long to get a job.

Even more to the point, I listened to Pat Kirwan today on Sirius as I often do and he talked about Long's ability to hold "if needed" so as not to get Sam killed. Might sound weird but he went on to say "Jake knows how important Sam is to this team and guys who've played LT understand that sometimes you get beat but its better to hold than have your QB get knocked out...the guy playing there now gets beat too sudden and too clean.." To wit I could not agree more.

Pray that Long stays healthy because if he does this is going to be another knock-it-out-of-the-park move by the GM.



Maybe its the fact that this is reading instead of talking but your first paragraph reads like we should be afraid of how crappy he will play, and your other two read as you are excited that he is an upgrade.

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I think the first paragraph is about TJ, and the next are about Long.


Correct.

Long is going to be a huge upgrade over the past few weeks of what the Vikings have had at LT.


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Correct.

Long is going to be a huge upgrade over the past few weeks of what the Vikings have had at LT.


I hope you are correct, but I am deeply skeptical. LT is one of the most important positions on offense. Admittedly Long refused a deal with the Ravens in the off-season and then sat out, BUT, no other team tried beat his door down to get him on the field. That means all 32 NFL GMs were willing to let him sit, including the Vikings.

IMO the most likely outcome of this is that he is a band-aid. Anything beyond that is dumb luck.

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RFIP wrote:

Correct.

Long is going to be a huge upgrade over the past few weeks of what the Vikings have had at LT.


I hope you are correct, but I am deeply skeptical. LT is one of the most important positions on offense. Admittedly Long refused a deal with the Ravens in the off-season and then sat out, BUT, no other team tried beat his door down to get him on the field. That means all 32 NFL GMs were willing to let him sit, including the Vikings.

IMO the most likely outcome of this is that he is a band-aid. Anything beyond that is dumb luck.


At this point I'll take a band aid over an open hatchet wound.

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I'm all for the move, I'm just sober about the potential for it to make us better on the line.

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mansquatch wrote:
RFIP wrote:

Correct.

Long is going to be a huge upgrade over the past few weeks of what the Vikings have had at LT.


I hope you are correct, but I am deeply skeptical. LT is one of the most important positions on offense. Admittedly Long refused a deal with the Ravens in the off-season and then sat out, BUT, no other team tried beat his door down to get him on the field. That means all 32 NFL GMs were willing to let him sit, including the Vikings.

IMO the most likely outcome of this is that he is a band-aid. Anything beyond that is dumb luck.


At this point I'll take a band aid over an open hatchet wound.


Yes which is my point. Look I'm not saying he is the Vikings LT for the next 5 years, I'm saying the Vikings are DAMN LUCKY this guy is available now and don't think for a second Sparano isn't a major reason he is here now.

He is an immediate upgrade AND Sam is very comfortable with him which will go a long way too.

Is he going to false start? Hold on occasion? Yes and yes but the level of comfort he will give Bradford combined with the far less times he'll get beat will be huge.

My goodness there were 2 plays vs Houston where the DE just had a free run at Sam! THAT crap will not happen with Long, the dude has pedigree as an elite LT and is fresh as can be when the rest of the league is 5-6 games in.

GREAT pick up.


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I think he has the pedigree/talent to be a good player. I mean, he was first overall pick...... Watching his interview yesterday it seems like he is excited and willing and for what its worth he LOOKS to be in shape. He also mentions that he has been working out every day.


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A friend of mine who is a Rams fan swears that Long was the guy who missed the block what got Sam hurt. He said it was pre season against the Browns in 2014. I know that could have been anyone (if true) but pretty ironic that we now have SB, Hill, and Long


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A friend of mine who is a Rams fan swears that Long was the guy who missed the block what got Sam hurt. He said it was pre season against the Browns in 2014. I know that could have been anyone (if true) but pretty ironic that we now have SB, Hill, and Long



I am sure Bradford is Thrilled.


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A friend of mine who is a Rams fan swears that Long was the guy who missed the block what got Sam hurt. He said it was pre season against the Browns in 2014. I know that could have been anyone (if true) but pretty ironic that we now have SB, Hill, and Long


Crap happens, I would hardly blame a O lineman for a QB getting injured. He could have just as easily missed a block and SB got sacked and nothing happened.


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A friend of mine who is a Rams fan swears that Long was the guy who missed the block what got Sam hurt. He said it was pre season against the Browns in 2014. I know that could have been anyone (if true) but pretty ironic that we now have SB, Hill, and Long


I'm a Ram fan too but the missed block did not cause the re-injury. It was a very mild hit that seemed harmless, it was more of his ACL not being fully recovered from the first injury the year before.

Bottom line is Sam trust Jake and Jake respects the heck out of Sam.


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autobon7 wrote:
A friend of mine who is a Rams fan swears that Long was the guy who missed the block what got Sam hurt. He said it was pre season against the Browns in 2014. I know that could have been anyone (if true) but pretty ironic that we now have SB, Hill, and Long


Crap happens, I would hardly blame a O lineman for a QB getting injured. He could have just as easily missed a block and SB got sacked and nothing happened.


Not really trying to place blame but looking at the irony of the situation. Sam drops back, Long misses the block, Sam replaced by Hill......back together again.


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looked on youtube. And it was Longs guy who hit Bradford.

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The only sure thing about this whole deal, is i'm sure glad some of you aren't general managers


:lol: Agreed 100%

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Not really trying to place blame but looking at the irony of the situation. Sam drops back, Long misses the block, Sam replaced by Hill......back together again.



So what your saying is Hill should account for his whereabouts at the time of each Oline players injury and we should check his bank accounts for any transfers to Long's? :lol:


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autobon7 wrote:
Not really trying to place blame but looking at the irony of the situation. Sam drops back, Long misses the block, Sam replaced by Hill......back together again.



So what your saying is Hill should account for his whereabouts at the time of each Oline players injury and we should check his bank accounts for any transfers to Long's? :lol:


One could look at it that way lol


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I saw a few excerpts from Spielman's Bye Week Presser on 1500ESPN.

It is worth noting that he mentioned we have 33 million in cap tied up on injured reserve, and about 55K remaining in the cap as a whole. If anything happens to anyone else, namely on the OL, we will be stuck with what we've got.


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I saw a few excerpts from Spielman's Bye Week Presser on 1500ESPN.

It is worth noting that he mentioned we have 33 million in cap tied up on injured reserve, and about 55K remaining in the cap as a whole. If anything happens to anyone else, namely on the OL, we will be stuck with what we've got.



... or they'll have to convince someone to re-work their deal. Hopefully, that won't be necessary.


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Worth a shot. Clemmings was terrible last week.


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Bradford has been at minimum Teddy's equal, most consider him to be an upgrade. Given the play of the two most recent left tackles I have to believe Long has the chance to be an upgrade, possibly a big upgrade. The only difference I see between the two comparisons is Teddy was at a minimum, serviceable at his position, neither Clemons or Kahlil were even that. Long knows how to play the position as a multi time Pro Bowler, question is can he stay healthy.



The only thing Teddy is better at than bradford is scrambling IMO.

Bradford is a true pocket passer.. I honestly think if our OL keep jelling and stays healthy we could pass for 350 a game with our wide outs and Bradford


I agree, just didn't want to risk turning a thread about Jake Long into another Bradford/Bridgewater #### session so I attempted to tread lightly with the comparison.


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I saw a few excerpts from Spielman's Bye Week Presser on 1500ESPN.

It is worth noting that he mentioned we have 33 million in cap tied up on injured reserve, and about 55K remaining in the cap as a whole. If anything happens to anyone else, namely on the OL, we will be stuck with what we've got.


He's got easy money with Sam's contract. Easy re-work because he's not going anywhere next year for sure. Right now only $4mil of his $17k is G-money. They could easily free up several mil this year by taking some of his $17 mil this year and pushing it to next.


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I think some teams tried to sign Long this year and he wasn't interested ....

Its a good sign that he want to be with the Vikings

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Sam Bradford on teammates with Long on Rams: "It's good to have Jake Long back. .... It's good to have a familiar face in the huddle.''

Bradford smiles when asked about reuniting with Jake Long: 'I know it's only been a few days, but he looks great.'


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Any word on whether he's expected to start for us this week? I'm guessing not, but who knows?


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Any word on whether he's expected to start for us this week? I'm guessing not, but who knows?


#Vikings Mike Zimmer on Jake Long, part 1: "We've had two practices. Today will be the first day in pads. I haven’t seen him in pads yet.''


Mike Zimmer on Jake Long, part 2: "Expectations can change quickly and go one way or the other. I’m trying to go by what I see and go from there."


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Any word on whether he's expected to start for us this week? I'm guessing not, but who knows?


#Vikings Mike Zimmer on Jake Long, part 1: "We've had two practices. Today will be the first day in pads. I haven’t seen him in pads yet.''


Mike Zimmer on Jake Long, part 2: "Expectations can change quickly and go one way or the other. I’m trying to go by what I see and go from there."

I'm sure they'd prefer him to start over Clemmings, who has been a disaster. But, everything depends on this week's practice.

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I don't think they can in good conscience start him unless he knows every scheme and play that TJ knows.


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I don't think they can in good conscience start him unless he knows every scheme and play that TJ knows.


Like Bradford is worse than Hill until he learns the offense? They could tell him in the huddle what his assignment is and he's likely better based on sheer ability than the guy who knows who his assignment is and can't handle them....


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